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By Alexander Rich, Staff Writer
Sunday, November 15, 2009 | 36 comment(s)

Downtown: Improvements might boost interest in commercial interest

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COOS BAY - A visitor’s comment while passing down Central Avenue last month epitomizes the challenge that Melvin Lesher says face business owners in downtown Coos Bay.

The 73-year-old owner of Little Coyote Cafe watched as the woman pointed to the plywood-covered windows on the Chandler Hotel across the street. She told her companion they must be in the bad part of town.

He quickly corralled her and invited her into his cafe. He wanted to explain. Yes, the building is in need of structural repairs, but the area is generally good, he told her.

She left satisfied with her meal and a better appreciation for downtown, Lesher said. But some business owners feel like the cards are stacked against them, when they have to woo customers in the shadow of empty buildings and deteriorating exteriors.

“This business cannot survive without investing money into the appearance of the general area,” Lesher said.

So he’s working with his landlord, James Tarantino of Coos Bay, to give the cafe a better look -- or as he puts it, installing gingerbread.

“It’s all in eye appeal,” he said.

Workers recently started reconfiguring the exterior, with stucco pillars and brick adornments replacing tilework. Lesher plans to replace wood coverings with obscured, fluted glass on the second story. He also wants to put an awning with heating and music speakers all around the Coke Building with the help of a grant from Coos Bay. Tarantino’s looking to lease upstairs rooms for mixed use purposes after years of vacancy.

Lesher and Tarantino aren’t the only ones making improvements to the downtown and Empire business areas. Dozens of businesses have taken advantage of virtual business incubator and facade improvement grants from the city. The program was designed to keep businesses afloat during the downturn and could entice new entrepreneurs to the area, said Mayor Jeff McKeown.

Many of the empty storefronts are within walking distance of both the Chandler and the condemned Lockhart Building, which both dampen the appeal of the area, said Realtor Andy Nasburg

“That makes a real hole in the thing,” he said.

McKeown agrees the city needs to deal with the two buildings. The city has hired a structural engineer to figure out a way to tear down the Lockhart, but there are concerns about damaging neighboring properties. City officials also have been talking with the Chandler’s owner about fixing it.

“The Chandler is a great asset, but a complex issue,” he said. “We want to deal with it without it becoming a liability for the city.”

Nasburg said downtown businesses face the other challenge of competing against the department stores that have parking lots. Even though parking is readily available downtown, people automatically go to places with parking lots, he said.

McKeown said parking really isn’t a problem. Instead, he wants to find ways to get people to visit the downtown area, as well as the Empire’s business center. He sees the new visitor center, the up-and-coming Boat Building Center and the pedway project as examples of future attractions.

“It’s a tough economic environment, but I think we need to be prepared when this turns around,” he said.

The problem for potential landlords is tenants are few and far between, Nasburg said. But it’s a good time to buy, because prices have come down, he said.

To capitalize on that, the city has assembled a list of more than a dozen vacant storefronts available for rent once investors come looking for space.
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orecoast007 wrote on Nov 22, 2009 9:44 PM:

At least Daniel seems to have some sense, unlike Steve who does not have a clue!!

Citizen wrote on Nov 21, 2009 7:09 PM:

Let's not lose site of the big picture. The internet is ruining most business models that include a physical store front. If it were up to me every business downtown would be oriented towards tourism.

Steve Pickering wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:57 PM:

IWANTTOKNOW,
I think you will find at least one City Council Member has forgotten that he is a public servant and that he is there at the pleasure of the citizens. I was told during a recent tirade by this Council Member that they LET me attend the meetings. LET me? Of course this is the same meeting where the Boat Building School asked the Council if they could get money for start-up, Staff, Equipment, and Promotion, and this same councilor said the BBS Board was not there to ask for money for Staff, Equipment, and Promotion, not five minutes after they asked. And he was angry that I attended meetings and brought up the fact that their own legal council told them they can’t do that at the very same meeting. I am a citizen. It is my right, and he owes me an apology. If you doubt my words, watch the last 15 minutes of the Urban Renewal Agency meeting from Tuesday November 17th 2009. It is available on line and on Channel 14. Never try to steamroll a citizen. They (The Council) work at our pleasure. That’s why they call it Public Service.

IWanttoknow wrote on Nov 19, 2009 3:31 PM:

To Steve P. we the citizens are the leaders others are public service, servants of the people! In my opinion! "Most ideas are from the 'grass roots' movements". Not my quote but it fits.
Before measure (50?) took effect if a property owner improved the appearance of their property the 'tax man' would reassess and in most cases raise the P. tax. This stigma must still be lurking in the minds of P.P. owners. Besides why fix up when you can 'rent a dump' depreciate it and sell it to a new P.P. owner. At time of escrow is when the new owner should be giving a 'time frame' to correct the structural/code problems or be fined. Like K-dock.

IWanttoknow wrote on Nov 19, 2009 3:21 PM:

Iwanttoknow why all the comments are border line negative to down right negative! Except for two or three (mine included). We, that are left, in our 'bay area' are smart folks (the ones that did not leave with our annual "brain drain") and have HAVE to figure out our own solutions. Most government money comes with so many 'hoops to jump' though that most 'small business' can't or won't jump when told to. Put on your thinking hats, give Joyce Jensen some ideas for the 'Pedway' by the Egyptian Theatre. No Idea is a bad one only ideas not mentioned are. My opinion, Bye

Steve Pickering wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:57 PM:

Danny Boy,

A good civic leader should be able to Convince, Cajole, Coax, Persuade, Wheedle, Entice, Inveigle, or Coerce, the current property owners into becoming partners in this venture and pay for the demolition themselves.

carefree highway wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:02 PM:

San Diego gives a 5 year notice to negligent property owners to fix,rent,or tear down the property, otherwise its forfeited to the city.
Some of these coastal property owners live far away and are sick, lame or lazy. Cities have to take the bull by the horns and make it move.

dan milburn wrote on Nov 18, 2009 4:45 PM:

The real problem with Coos Bay is in the archetectural design. Point being that Frank Lloyd Wright designed the Tokio Hotel with a flexable piling foundation because it too was built over filled mud flats. Of the many earthquakes over the years the Hotel has sustained very little damage, while even single story buildings with solid foundations collapsed all around it. Its the same priciple as building docks along the bay. I helped build lots of docks in Charleston. A flexing dock will last forever. The Corps of Engineers outsmarted themselves with ORCA in Charleston and used concrete. It collapsed with 3-years. Believe it or not pilings are the answer. My Dad and I built the Pied Piper in Eastside on concrete pilings in my Grandmother's front yard originaly. Bottom line is start with a decent foundation and put whatever you want on top of it. The local Indians used cedar logs for pilings and many structures would still be here if the coastline hadn't eroded away. Coos Bay needs to think smart and apply a little common sense to fix things.

Daniel Baumann wrote on Nov 18, 2009 3:08 PM:

Steve,It still costs money for someone to demolish these buildings.. How do you suggest that is paid for? These older biuldings should be updated by the owners..

QWCS wrote on Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM:

The problem is too many people think the only way for the area to prosper is to bring back the 1950's. Newsflash. Ain't gonna happen. Ever. That era is over. Yes, timber dependant jobs will always be an important part of the local economy but it will never again be able to support the whole community. People need to realize that and think about new ideas.

ohsolizz wrote on Nov 18, 2009 12:40 PM:

So I'm usually the unwavering pessimist but... I'm tired of all the same comments (to All town related stories),

No jobs, no growth, no new tax revenue, no investment, no culture, no shopping no young people, no reason to stay, etc

When do we stop and say, Hey there's nobody else to fix this town, I guess I better do it. Maybe someone could start a community action group in which to discuss it and attack the problem with a little less complaining and a little more doing... Come on Peeps

rianza wrote on Nov 18, 2009 9:16 AM:

No jobs, no growth, no new tax revenue, no investment, no young people, no reason to stay.

I'm wondering how bad it's going to have to get here before people come to the realization that our town is the biggest blight on the beautiful Oregon coast. Really, do people really look around when they drive down 101 and see what others see? Go to Bandon and Florence on any given weekend and you'll see half the residents of CB/NB. It all boils down to leadership. Or lack of...

redman wrote on Nov 17, 2009 11:19 AM:

I know personally COSTCO was thinking about coming here but just like Lowe's, Home Depot, Walgreen's and with other big businesses The cities can't get their heads out of their u know whats so our area looses their intrest.

Steve Pickering wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:30 PM:

An Event Center should not be a burden on the Taxpayer. It would be self supporting from event revenues. The Builders Association has had a plan for a couple of years to fund the construction with private donations and grants. I am suggesting a location that needs an anchor and a little larger footprint than the Builders Association envisioned.

Daniel Baumann wrote on Nov 16, 2009 2:41 PM:

Steve Pickering, How do you propose this Convention Center is paid for? Will you support some kind of taxes or will you be paying for this idea? I am saying "NO" to any future taxes, people of Coos County do not need to be taxed anymore than they already are!!!!!

carefree highway wrote on Nov 16, 2009 10:18 AM:

Property is over priced. People who own the property want to rent it out for a high price, not sell or tear down the old and build new. There isnt enough prosperity to build or keep a major new business going. CB/NB should require a 5 year period of poop or get off the pot. Tear it down, rent, build or sell. Then the owners will move their butts. Otherwise its stagnation for this little California retirement community.

dan milburn wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:36 AM:

Why not revamp the tax structure so that it includes tax breaks for startup business's in a designated economic zone. Instead of the current property tax being levied on a business property that is not making any money that money could be used to invest into the business property to make it viable. Treat the business propery as if it was an individual paying income tax. If the property isn't making any money then it shouldn't have to pay any taxes. Given time the business owner by investing his money into the business instead of paying property taxes can evolve into a money making business and return to the tax roles.

Phil Durt wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:54 AM:

Coos Bay/North Bend has suffered a long and painful transition process starting in the 1980's when "Reaganomics" took effect. It's been real hard to make a living here since then. Some of the "ghost town" and "Last one out turn the lights off" comments have been the battle cry here for over 20 years and is nothing new to us multi- generation families that have watched things steadily decline in Coos County including our own businesses. Part of the problem is the "Good ol' Boy" clubs like SCDC and City Councilors who are figure heads at best and fail to recognize current trends in City infrastructure, business, consumer attitudes, and road systems. They all rely on outside sources and thinking for their decisions resulting in adverse effects. Using valuable land for Condos, museums, Casinos and Historic Districts that strangle off industrial business should tell us where were headed and the limit of their ability to run a City. Even if it is in Coos County.

Steve Pickering wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:55 PM:

Mr. E, Open Downtown to what? Buildings that have outlived their useful life? Take the entire Old City Hall and Lockhart block down. Build an Event and Convention Center on the rubble. Than stand back and watch the resurgence of Coos Bay and the entire Bay Area.

pancho via wrote on Nov 15, 2009 6:20 PM:

Coyote Cafe - The only building around that is the casino. Is this a vision into the future? Ply wood over the Mill Casino windows & doors. It is more of a vision than you realize. The house is loosing its vigorous & fast.

Mr E wrote on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 PM:

And we can thank the ignorant powers-that-be in this community for continuing to make downtown less attractive, and certainly less accessible to tourists (and employees of downtown businesses).

The fact is, tenants exist, but not at the absurdly inflated rent/lease prices being asked by owners of these buildings. Though there are tens of thousands of people in the area, this is a POOR economy, with LITTLE material wealth. We aren't a town of retirees (Florence), or a tourist town (Bandon)! Realize this, adjust property prices accordingly, and we can open downtown up for those who are comfortable with making a living, not making a killing.

Incidentally, it's easy to say "well perhaps if businesses that catered to the community were to open, they'd stay open," downtown is an area designed for the tourists that are not being drawn to this area. Tourists that do come are generally avoiding downtown, because of congestion, almost no parking, and few places to spend time/money.

redman wrote on Nov 15, 2009 11:22 AM:

In reply to Daniel Baumann's post I don't know about lease prices in CB but that is why we have so many empty spaces in Pony Village. Look at Fisherman's Grotto they bought their own place and moved out of the mall and doing better. I know another store that bought their own place and moved out and the mortgage and bills on a bigger space are cheaper than mall lease

Kay wrote on Nov 15, 2009 11:10 AM:

Hey ! If it's good enough for SCDC, and good enough for The Chamber of Commerce, it should be good enough for "new business", huh?

No?

Oh I forgot.they don't want those OLD buildings for their offices?

Tell us ALL about it Mayor. Why not the Visitors Center in some of those old empty buildings?

fern wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:42 AM:

I think it has more to do with no economy,no industry, no employment = no customers. Take a look around do you see everybody working? It has nothing to do with Mr. Nasberg, the mayor, the city council and Mr. Daily, Quizno's, city hall or what the store owners have to offer. Negativity does not get anything done, anywhere.

hdknuckle wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:06 AM:

Stimulus money is only helping government jobs and government designated contractors. Small business like myself, since 1992 in Coos, are still paying out the city/county/state/fed tax.This is reason why small business are going to fail, large business (government included) are to big to fail and the stimulus will support them due to printing out their needs of money at which the dollar is now falling. The administration in charge, from Washington DC on down to our local government, are raping its citizens to support their special projects to line their pockets. It is going to get worse. Coos is to small to be saved as to Portland will receive a lot of the Stimulus Infrastructure monies. We need a new government locally and nationally for any hope in the future.I personaly lost out on contracts on projects due to government stimulus money recognized only out of state contractors to do projects up for bid here in Coos, this is what the local architect stated to me that was putting projects out to bid.Special interest groups will prosper till we get someone in office that understands the community needs and not their own pockets being lined.

Eastsider wrote on Nov 15, 2009 9:35 AM:

"Parking is not a problem." Our mayor is full of it. Downtown CB & NB were designed for horse and buggy, not HWY 101. The city is going to keep blowing money attempting to pretend that they can make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
It's always about attracting business and never about making the place nicer for the residents.

pine marten wrote on Nov 15, 2009 7:47 AM:

Would the downtown area be less attractive with more auto/truck traffic? When I think of the small towns with pleasant "down towns", I can't think of any that has the rumbling, noxious, metal monsters in such abundance as has Coos Bay. It would take a major move to attract the tourist. The only possibility I can see, to be close the current downtown, is the Front Street area. There is waterfront, old buildings, potential parking at the north end. However, the entire downtown is built on the marsh landfill and is a disaster waiting to happen. I don't want to be there.

dannygs wrote on Nov 15, 2009 2:12 AM:

my crystal ball tells me that Coos Bay will rise to glory again.....

on www.ghosttowns.com!

Retired wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:42 PM:

I am scared to death every time I have to drive through Empire and down Cape Arago Highway..What if my car broke down and I had to try to get assistance. I don't carry a cell phone. What would happen? That's not an area that I would deliberately choose to visit more than just a drive through..Sorry about that..

hey its me wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:06 PM:

The fire station is going to be the next eye sore and yes Quizno's is gone. City hall, fire station, hospital, bank, Quizno's....anyone want to buy a ghost town? Free skatepark included.

Daniel Baumann wrote on Nov 14, 2009 8:15 PM:

Could some of the high leases be the reason that some of these buildings are vacant? Just some food for thought!!!

gerry wrote on Nov 14, 2009 3:25 PM:

Coos Bay could be a beautiful tourist/day visitor city IF there weren't so many OLD PIG HEADED folks who run the town and don't want anything but a quick stop by the driving tourist for a meal in their little mom/pop cafe's. The board walk with your little logging boats is a great attraction but, it could be extended and three or four nice restruants could go there with all sorts of gift shops promoting Coos Bay. Your business people remind me of little old grimlins hiding in the back room counting their money every night and afraid to spend a penny to make ten. Putting a state (local) owned bank on the main drag, while looking pretty does nothing to attract outsiders. You might seek Mr Dailys input as to what he would do IF he ran Coos Bay..

somethoughts wrote on Nov 14, 2009 2:46 PM:

The last time we looked to Nasburg for advice we ended up spending all the money in the Empire Urban renewal fund to widen Newmark for the Walgreen’s project that never happened. It is time to look for new experts.

IWanttoknow wrote on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM:

Iwanttoknow why our downtown area is head line news. While, I agree with the Mayor,Mr. Nasburg; Lesher 'the rest of the story' has been written about ever since we had downtown(s). If a person noted: several downtowns did not survive, Eastside, Englewood, Libby, Utter City, just to mention a few. The question is Why? My guess is those areas out lived their usefulness and quit giving the buyers a reason to shop. Could this happen to the survivors, Yes! Is it likely, time will tell. What can current building owners/merchants do: Do like the folks in the article suggest. But, other piece of the puzzle is: Offer what the buying community wants. That is the question and answer!! Just my opinion and I'm stickin' to it. Bye

pancho via wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:57 AM:

Pipe Dream!

The citizens would be better served to send the entire town to Disneyland on the grant money & then order up a 9.5 magnitude earthquake to the area...

Just An Observer wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:49 AM:

Quizno's has closed up, another vacancy to downtown Coos Bay. It's not the bad part of town, it's the worst part of town...LOL! Mak's now, the CB fire department later, will leave the original city hall a shell more suitable for display as a ruin. The coming bank closure at 4th and Central will then make half of this intersection looking like deserted parts of Detroit. On 101 the furniture store and the over-priced clothing store buildings will be vacant for a long time with the economy being what it is. The K-Dock site continues as an eyesore. A torn down SAMCO building is now a vacant lot that is going to stay vacant. The old KFC and Taco Bell on Central remind us of a formerly prosperous time. Add in all the other vacant storefronts and it's like a cancer that can't be stopped.


Everyone can see the cute whirlygig as they drive north on 101, an appropriate tombstone to cap downtown CB with as business blows out of town in a way that makes me think of the Dust Bowl days.


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