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Kay wrote on Nov 20, 2009 6:51 PM:
Madoff didn't seize innocent citizens' property for his "pipe dreams" now did he?
You think Bob Braddock has a right to seize Oregon Citizens' land?
Braddock doesn 't give a hoot, he's gittin a paycheck every week.
everyman wrote on Nov 20, 2009 3:46 PM:
For example; I've asked how the "2x more expensive" claim can be legit? After all, haven't the value of most things changed in the last 3 years (that's when they first started screaming about it). The silence has been deafening.
I also asked about the employees; locally hired or moved here from elsewhere...won't they pay local taxes? Won't they send thier kids to our schools? Won't they buy local homes?
And if no locals qualify because of lack of education, as CS claims, won't that just drive our kids to get good educations so they can move back here to try and get jobs later in life?
You can ask for answers all you want, Rianza...all you will get is screaming, I'm afraid...
Common Sense wrote on Nov 20, 2009 2:09 PM:
Either you can't read or talkin silly stuff here, because it's all spelled out in simple terms in prior posts by me in here!
P.S. Notice these supports of this California LNG SCAM NEVER have any facts of their own??? That's a SCAM by itself...
rianza wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:09 PM:
Instead of merely taking pot-shots at those who disagree with you, please support your stance with some statistics and facts. You continue to use the word "scam" to describe this project. Please explain. Bernie Madhoff ran a scam. How does an LNG depot relate?
Common Sense wrote on Nov 19, 2009 10:03 AM:
You have yet to even give ANY facts in support of this California LNG SCAM & yet you put someone/anyone down in here? How pathetic is that....
Try getting INFORMED yourself, so you don't look so silly in here, where every informed/educated person in here isn't laughin at you daily...
MadHatter wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:26 AM:
You ignored everything I said but one the fact I did move here. You are the ONLY unkind person I have met in Coos County, and I hope it stays that way.
As for LNG, its obvious even new people to the area can see it is a bad idea unless you have a vested ($$$) interest in it.
People so often think short term, and not 7 generations ahead. Too bad, so sad.
rianza wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:39 AM:
So you visited here for the first time - the only time? - one month ago? You don't live here, own a business here, don't pay taxes here, don't depend on the local economy to live and raise a family here?
Thank you for your input but you don't get a vote; both figuratively and literally. You are, like so many, opinionated but uninformed.
MadHatter wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:32 PM:
MadHatter wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:21 PM:
Now that sounds like something a reporter should be investigating like Woodward and Bernstein.
rianza wrote on Nov 18, 2009 4:22 PM:
dan milburn wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:58 AM:
FERC isn't in a hurry to sign off on something that the Governor of Oregon says has issues that need to be resolved first. And federal folks just don't shove stuff like this past governor's noses without approval. Without the Governor's signing off on the project FERC won't shouldn't budge. EIC hasn't been completed, there is no MSDS information out there, there is no emergency plan evaluation. So how do supporters plan on getting approval before these things are completed? Obviously WEYCO and a few others have nervous bookeepers. The local LNG supporters are afraid the money the backers are flashing to grease the wheels of this explosive disaster waiting to happen are gonna miss their pockets. For some of them it's their only hope of graduating from political stooge to full time schills.
Call the Governor and tell him you don't want the same thing that happened in San Juan to happen here. What if the New Carissa had been carrying LNG?
dan milburn wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:47 AM:
confirmation of RE: LNG project in Coos Bay
From: governor@state.or.us
Sent: Mon 11/16/09 5:44 PM
To: danmilburn@domain.com
Thank you for sharing your ideas and concerns. I believe citizeninput is vital to a strong and healthy society and I urge your continued involvement. Should your comments require an additional response, appropriate staff will contact you.I look forward to hearing from you in the future. Sincerely, Theodore R. Kulongoski
rianza wrote on Nov 18, 2009 9:24 AM:
MadHatter wrote on Nov 17, 2009 9:07 PM:
Putting it in a Tsunami zone? Having those huge ships come in during winter storms? It doesn't take someone very long to realize this is a outrageously bad idea.
Coos County, and the Bay Area should focus on making green jobs, and recreation for the masses. Put this place on the map in a greener manner, not a destructive one that could ruin the bay and all we hold dear so easily. For example, if Cruise ships go to tiny little town in Alaska, why can't they come here, we have just as much if not more to offer!!!
For a Better Oregon wrote on Nov 17, 2009 11:02 AM:
EIS report flawed/incomplete.
No need for this project to Oregon or it's citizens for this EXPENSIVE gas.
Bob Braddock has always changed his so called facts on this project to try to slide it through the back door on everyone involved.
Air polluter that violates Oregon air quality laws.
Placement in Tsunami zone that violates 2002 Safety building requirements.
Finally, NO vote on this project even though the "MAJORITY" Oregon citizens are against this project.
orecoast007 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:55 PM:
Common Sense wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:44 AM:
Read up & get informed/educated about LNG at www.lngpollutes.org
Hoping the uninformed Oregon citizens find out what I say isn't made up & the other pro Bob Braddock followers that have either back door deals or just plain going to profit from this California LNG SCAM at Jordon Cove
P.S. To EVERYMAN (In the pipe business) There's a nice factual letter written about the FLAWED EIS report titled "Jordan Cove EIS lacks analysis" by Ron Sadler in the World newspaper's archives. Also, anyone can look up prior polls in the World to prove every poll taken by the World newspaper has MAJORITY against this SCAM. Simple stuff, but I'm glad I could help point you in the right direction...
dan milburn wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:13 PM:
Call the Governor and tell him you don't want the same thing that happened in San Juan to happen here. What if the New Carissa had been carrying LNG?
everyman wrote on Nov 14, 2009 12:28 PM:
Pipe business? Don't know anything about pipes...And I have no business that will profit from LNG coming here any more than anyone else...
It really is impossible for you screamers to think that someone has a valid, explainable opinion that is different from yours, isn't it?
Please...just answer my questions...but wait, in order to do that, you would need answers first...hmmmm, that must be the problem.
Everyman...I don't smoke, so I don't need a pipe.
Kay wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 AM:
Braddock has already admitted no more than a handful of family wage jobs will even be offered locally.
It's no more than this corporate(and that is an exaggeration for these clowns)Circle-Jerk the citizens are being asked to pay for with their tax dollars AND THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
So next time you see that Chamber logo, go in and ask these people why they want a foreign corporation to take their Oregon Neighbors' land.
Shame on you all, using this bully pulpit in your pocket to further the 'taking' of our private land through imminent domain.
Because your voice is allowed to be louder than ours, doesn't make it good for the people.
How much Messerle holdings are up for grab?
orecoast007 wrote on Nov 13, 2009 7:15 PM:
fact checker wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:16 PM:
For a Better Oregon wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:12 PM:
Makes sense then why he is so pro for this Lng SCAM at Jordon Cove! Great points by Common Sense on why this project shouldn't be approved fast or at all (In my point of view)! I especially like the Democratic point of view on a state vote deciding the outcome of this project, since the majority will have to live with it (If by miracle it goes through after all the upcoming delays)! The WORLD newspaper has had 3 voting polls & every time this Lng at Jordon Cove has lost every time & other polls around the state it's been a loser for all the minority pro Lng'ers out there! EVERYMAN must have some special deal set up with Bob Braddock by his factLESS double talk in here that everyone can see is a desperate attempt to support this project anyway he can for obvious person gain being in the pipe business.
orecoast007 wrote on Nov 13, 2009 4:24 PM:
everyman wrote on Nov 13, 2009 4:19 PM:
I still believe there is no way to tell if the people who sent letters are for or against.
Common, your points 1, 2, and 3 are your standard bullet point screamings...and I will (for the fifth time) request that you provide the proof of the "facts" you keep yelling about.
You have been saying the "2x more expensive" line for almost 3 years now...so am I to believe that although the ENTIRE economy has re-shifted values of commodities like oil, gold, corn, and even hog futures...that the price of Natural Gas has remained constant?
Please tell me the polls you site...
Please point out the multiple legal issues with the EIS?
I know why you keep saying you're sorry. It's because you are.
Everyman knows.
hiluix wrote on Nov 13, 2009 4:14 PM:
ronnie montrose wrote on Nov 13, 2009 3:32 PM:
-Albert Einstein
Common Sense wrote on Nov 13, 2009 3:29 PM:
You better read the article again, because there is a GOOD reason for this California LNG SCAM not to be ruled on yet (& shouldn't be ruled on yet):
1) EIS report has so many legal flaws & unanswered questions (More then answered questions) that if approved will immediately go into the court system to fight.
2) The UNANSWERED critical question, how many LNG terminals does Oregon/USA need when LNG is OVER 2X more expensive then USA's HUGH reserve/supply of domestic gas it has. Even story teller Bob Braddock admits his suppliers are not a 100% guananteed if there is any delay (Which there will be ALOT more coming in the future) in this project.
3) MOST importantly the MAJORITY of Oregon citizens are against this, thus your own Oregon leaders & FERC should respect that point of view & act on that point of view! If they are not sure if the majority wants this project, then let a vote decide it BEFORE FERC/Oregon permitting process decides it!
See EVERYMAN, maybe you should get informed/educated on the bigger picture here sorry....
Steve Pickering wrote on Nov 13, 2009 2:38 PM:
Everyman wrote on Nov 13, 2009 2:19 PM:
Bad assumption, Kay. It is not safe to assume that all those names are pro- or anti- LNG. Those are lay people or elected officials who wrote letters to FERC asking them to simply make a decision. They could just as easily be property owners who are anti- as they could be business owners who are pro-...either way, they just want the respect of a timely decision from FERC.
I view my post here as neutral this time...but it will no doubt be screamed at...that's ok...I'm used to it.
EVERYMAN
Common Sense wrote on Nov 13, 2009 12:27 PM:
Where the list of ALL the MAJORITY of Oregon citizens (Every poll taken has shown LNG NOT wanted here in Oregon)that don't want this California LNG SCAM in FERC's next metting or placed in this area PERIOD?
Bob Braddock & his ever changing self serving stories, that change daily! From his guarantees of his California LNG SCAM at Jordon Cove of being safe, clean & can withstand a 9.3 Earthquake/Tsunami in the sand dunes of the North spit...
P.S. Just think folks, even rubber stampin FERC knows a story when it is told one & hopin ole Bob Braddock story teller moves on to another area or better yet another desperate 3rd world country...
For a Better Oregon wrote on Nov 13, 2009 12:10 PM:
How many of those have back door deals that line their pockets with money at the expense of the "MAJOR" of Oregon citizens that do not want this in Beautiful Oregon?
How many on that list have their "OWN" personal property/land going to be forced to be taken away from (OVER 100 foot wide section)?
Hope Oregon's Attorney General office looks into this SCAM that smells of "CORRUPTION" from the Top to the Bottom!
Kay wrote on Nov 13, 2009 11:29 AM:
I'm disappointed so many of our local business 'leaders' would suppoprt the idea of foreign companies profitting off the 'taking' of our land.
I'll let them know how I feel about that when I see them.
Strange bedfellows.



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