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northbender wrote on Oct 9, 2009 8:22 AM:
Maybe all of you should do some investigating. The casino did pay and it was sent back because the city did not want to renegotiate a 15 yr old contract. You also should check with the tribe and see how much they have donated to the city and surrounding area. Don't trust just what you read! Find out for yourself
Bull-o-knee wrote on Oct 2, 2009 5:19 PM:
Ok as I see it the Tribe is yelling "foul" that North Bend would dare cut off their services while this matter is in debate. Isn't that like the "pot calling the kettle black" ?
How dare they stop paying for services while the matter is still in debate?
It is common knowldege as others have said already, you stop paying for your services and the services get turned off. It is as simple as that.
How dare they stop paying for services while the matter is still in debate?
It is common knowldege as others have said already, you stop paying for your services and the services get turned off. It is as simple as that.
fairplay wrote on Oct 2, 2009 1:52 PM:
To Dragonman....I agree that the Casino has helped the community. I believe it has been in lieu of paying taxes, etc. However, this does not, in my opinion, give them the right to not pay their fair share that they agreed upon. It is still a default on a deal. And, there are many citizens of this community that waste their paychecks, and Social Security in a nite or two at the Casino. Granted, this is their choice, but an influence among others that has in the past that deemded gambling as illegal. Now you can be served liquor on the Casino floor. Gambling and associated services are a VERY PROFITABLE business.
Dragonman wrote on Oct 1, 2009 8:39 PM:
This is sad. The Tribe has helped so many in our community. North Bend needs the funds. I wish this could be settled with friendship instead of this way. I hope and pray that this does not lead to the Tribe cutting all its generous help to the people in this community. I wonder who stepped on who’s toes?
fairplay wrote on Oct 1, 2009 5:04 PM:
To Hook Em In The Mouth...I respect your efforts in doing your homework. How much did The Mill receive in Gross Income for last year?
hook em in the mouth wrote on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 AM:
To JS; I understand the transient occupancy tax and agree with you. The point I was making is without the casino/hotel the city would not be receiving the funds and they should be grateful for all the positive influence the casino has had on the cities cash flow and the community. At least enough to set down and talk not just walk to the courthouse with an injunction.
js wrote on Oct 1, 2009 8:20 AM:
Hook em - Just an FYI the Transient Occupancy Tax is not tax that the tribe pays because they just feel like it. It is a tax that they have received from their customers. Just like any other hotel in this community. I for one would be extremely upset if I would have stayed in their hotel ... paid the tax ... and found out that they never sent it to the city. It seems to me that may be a case of fraud.
hook em in the mouth wrote on Oct 1, 2009 5:49 AM:
To Fair play; I have done some investigating in an attempt to get the facts, the casino pays around $26,000 per month to the city for municipal service. This is the in lieu of tax agreement. The city imposed a new tax on all citizens a couple of years ago “storm water” you may have noticed it just showed up on your water bill. The Mill pays nearly $400 per month for that tax. The lodging tax is another issue and the Mill contributed it looks like the mill paid about $170,000 last year. I believe the Tribe also made a donation of $150,000 to the city for pet projects. If you had an agreement and later found that your neighbors were getting a better deal would you not want to talk renegotiate? I think your right, I agree enough is enough, with this difference, the city is being greedy.
fairplay wrote on Sep 30, 2009 2:55 PM:
To Dan Milburn...Your idea almost sounds reasonable, but the present contract is still in force. If any, new negotiated amounts would be from the given date forth. Do you think I can negotiate my taxes and services? My income has depleted considerably in the past two years. In fact, well below the poverty level. If I could, and would stop paying such, my utilities would be shut off, and interest and penalties would acrue to what I owe. And maybe, a lien on my property and a freeze on my bank account.
dan milburn wrote on Sep 30, 2009 12:07 PM:
May I suggest something? Instead of the court ruling "pay or no pay" - or "services or no serivices" - put the money into an escrow account and order arbitration of the contract. This is the real issue isn't it? The tribe should "modify" the original contract and submit it for approval. The money accumulates but the city can't have it unless it cooperates. Putting the money into escrow keeps the tribe from defaulting and shows good faith. The city and the tribe need a new contract. The old one is 15-years old and the whole economy has changed dramaticaly. The obvious take on the situation is that the city is more concerned with its own budget problems than negotiating a revised fair and equitable contract. They should be partners not adversaries. Who signs a contract that doesn't expire at some point and allow for situational changes?
m00npenny wrote on Sep 29, 2009 7:16 PM:
If this is how they are going to abuse the Sovereignty that “we” agreed to, then it needs to be repealed. No sovereignty, no more free ride, no more anything. Gambling is illegal in Oregon, so the casinos would then be closed. Push it CEDCO, and the cities, counties, states and federal government could possibly consider just that. Your doing your tribal members no favor.
Pig Nuts wrote on Sep 29, 2009 5:46 PM:
Dan Milburn
What is an outsider?
Is that someone in the United States who is here illegally?
Is it someone who is homeless & sleeps outside?
Is it some who works outside?
Is it someone who is not inside?
What is an outsider?
Is that someone in the United States who is here illegally?
Is it someone who is homeless & sleeps outside?
Is it some who works outside?
Is it someone who is not inside?
fairplay wrote on Sep 29, 2009 10:02 AM:
I believe the Casino is exempt from paying income taxes and property tax which is more than considerable. Enough is enough! I suspect that the tribe is increasing dislike for the tribe from the community with this defiance.
CBRezident wrote on Sep 29, 2009 8:25 AM:
After many repeated attempts to get the city to sit down and talk,the Tribe issued a letter of intent.The city then fired back saying Pay up or we will file suit and force you to pay.Way to go city officials.Force is always the way to deal with Native Americans.Look how well that has worked in all these years..
Citizen wrote on Sep 29, 2009 7:55 AM:
HILIUX - Either my ancestors were Adam and Eve or cave people who hated Geico. No matter what that should entitle me to what? Natvie Americans were overrun by europeans who took possession of their lands. Native Americans battled for possesion of land here before we arrived. How far back do we take this principle? If you ask me the tribe should have to pay taxes and be subject to our laws. They enjoy the protection of this country. They are our neighbors and are our family. Is it okay for them to treat us like we treated them? What a guilt trip! Get over it!
firefly wrote on Sep 29, 2009 12:22 AM:
Go City of NB....If they don't cut the services. No Fire, Medical, Police, Sewer, and Water. Make them build their own infastructure and see how much that costs. Example: The Florence Casino had to build their own water and sewer systems due to the city for whatever reason wouldn't hook them up and the tribe was gonna pay for upgades....Cut em off as see how they feel. If we don't pay we get shut off and evicted.
hiluix wrote on Sep 28, 2009 10:59 PM:
To loventhecoast , I work hard and pay my way and in no way is the Mill Casino not paying there bills affecting me in the least , perhaps you should ask yourself if because they are "Indians" that you have a problem with this ? and make no mistake about nearly all of the land in the United States was basicaly stolen from the Indians since they were here first , and this is coming from a "white" guy .
dan milburn wrote on Sep 28, 2009 7:46 PM:
Tribe taking over "prime" real estate in the area?
The "reservation" land in Empire was a stump ranch left over from Coos head. I personally delivered checks exceeding $250.000 each to the Charleston Sanitary District and to the Coos Bay/North Bend water board for system development charges. That was to accomodate the addition of about 150 homes in the barview area. After that, an additional 8-million dollars was spent locally on building materials and road construction. All labor was local people and we supplied our own pipes to the annex points at the highway. The city services were already there, all we had to do was plug in. Anybody guess what Cooshead had paid for that land or what it was appraised at after Coos Head logged it? All these comments are great - keep them coming - but please don't think the local tribe just invented itself - these are our friends, neighbors and relatives that we have shared our entire lives with - not outsiders looking to cash in.
The "reservation" land in Empire was a stump ranch left over from Coos head. I personally delivered checks exceeding $250.000 each to the Charleston Sanitary District and to the Coos Bay/North Bend water board for system development charges. That was to accomodate the addition of about 150 homes in the barview area. After that, an additional 8-million dollars was spent locally on building materials and road construction. All labor was local people and we supplied our own pipes to the annex points at the highway. The city services were already there, all we had to do was plug in. Anybody guess what Cooshead had paid for that land or what it was appraised at after Coos Head logged it? All these comments are great - keep them coming - but please don't think the local tribe just invented itself - these are our friends, neighbors and relatives that we have shared our entire lives with - not outsiders looking to cash in.
dan milburn wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:41 PM:
Just Curious:
How much did Weyerhauser pay when this was their place?
How much did Weyerhauser pay when this was their place?
dan milburn wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:39 PM:
Legally Speaking:
If a taxpaying resident of North Bend calls the city fire department or police department requesting emergency assistance - and - that assistance is delayed because that police or fire department is busy providing assistance to a "non-tax payer" then the city is liable for damages. This precedent was established years ago when Coos Bay fire department was assisting in Englewood which at the time wasn't in their district - the delay left a Coos Bay home burned to the ground. The Coos Bay resident was awarded damages.
If a taxpaying resident of North Bend calls the city fire department or police department requesting emergency assistance - and - that assistance is delayed because that police or fire department is busy providing assistance to a "non-tax payer" then the city is liable for damages. This precedent was established years ago when Coos Bay fire department was assisting in Englewood which at the time wasn't in their district - the delay left a Coos Bay home burned to the ground. The Coos Bay resident was awarded damages.
loventhecoast wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:26 PM:
To hiluix... are you serious? Its people like you that make this world tough on those of us who work hard and pay our way. You should really read what you wrote again and think... yes, think.
orecoast007 wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:09 PM:
I just wonder if Steve Pickering would be interested in one of these seats on the tribal council.... He has ran for other offices and seems to know/done everything..... Maybe his wife/girlfriend would run for a seat on the tribal council...My bad! You "HAVE" to be a tribal member.........
orecoast007 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 5:05 PM:
JEEPIN,They are no better than the rest of us..... I say cut off "ALL" city services to The Mill Casino.... Heck,Wy stop there let's cut off "ALL" city/county services to the reservation as well..... They have their own police and they can create their own Fire/EMT services.... I bet who ever reads this (World Editor) does not have the nerve to print this......
m00npenny wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:40 PM:
If they dont pay for their services, then they need to be cut off. Including utilities. City wires, city water lines, city streets, city everything. I am so sick and tired of each group using their designated race card to get out of responsibility. Soverign my a**. You want the services, you PAY for them!!
hiluix wrote on Sep 26, 2009 5:11 PM:
Shouldn't North Bend be paying the Indians since all of North Bend and Coos County was Indian land at one time , and I say good for the Indians , next they should start selling tax free cigs gas and so on , I would be all over that , well the gas anyway .
Pig Nuts wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:47 AM:
The real issue.
The tribe hurting for money...
They have been able to pay for 15 years. Now they have changed their tune just because they do not want to pay?
That makes no sense, the tribal leadership has not changed so the desire to proceed with business as usual would not change.
So what has changed?
The economy & the debt they incurred to remodel the facility totaling $44,000,000.
Negative cash-flow is unsustainable.
Lenders look at cash-flow quarterly. If you fall below specified levels it puts you in default. Lenders will call the note due if the organization can not show the required metrics.
When the tribe remodeled their facility they were like kids in a candy store. They never stopped to consider the budget & how much they were spending. They never considered what would happen if revenue was to drop due to a crashing economy.
Indian Culture is conservative. Impulsiveness is a trait of the white man. Congratulations, you let the white man destroy your way of life for a second time.
History never repeats but often rhymes!
The tribe hurting for money...
They have been able to pay for 15 years. Now they have changed their tune just because they do not want to pay?
That makes no sense, the tribal leadership has not changed so the desire to proceed with business as usual would not change.
So what has changed?
The economy & the debt they incurred to remodel the facility totaling $44,000,000.
Negative cash-flow is unsustainable.
Lenders look at cash-flow quarterly. If you fall below specified levels it puts you in default. Lenders will call the note due if the organization can not show the required metrics.
When the tribe remodeled their facility they were like kids in a candy store. They never stopped to consider the budget & how much they were spending. They never considered what would happen if revenue was to drop due to a crashing economy.
Indian Culture is conservative. Impulsiveness is a trait of the white man. Congratulations, you let the white man destroy your way of life for a second time.
History never repeats but often rhymes!
crabb wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:38 AM:
The tribe is paying 6.5 percent of the accessed value of the property for city services. This was set up as a far fee to cover city services. Not included in the fee are county fees for schools, the hospital, the port or the college. A normal business will pay between 10 to 15 percent in accessed property taxes. So the tribe does not pay income tax's on income like a normal business. So here is the issue. The tribe recieves liquor at 120% discount from the state, smoking is allowed on tribal land, and a 45 percent advantage on taxe's make it difficult for the other hotels, restrarants, and bars to compete at the same level. Based on this information the city's fee is more then fair.
lmfao wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:27 PM:
Koos Bayanian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 12:55 PM:
LMFAO: Learn punctuation...
WOW impressive 500 employess...How many are part time that make under 30 hours aweek and cannot qualify for those "great" benefits?
Yeah this article is onesided but the sticking point is that maybe the City would have been more flexiblle in working out a new arrangement if The Mill paid on time will disputing charges. At least that is the way it works for us poor white folks.
before u talk about my punctuation let's talk about your spelling. the tribe has donated thousand of dollars to the community. oh don't even bring in the poor white folk thing either it's been overplayed over the year's. If the staff from the casino need medical they can go to the reservation clinic and they know it.You have nothing better to do but complain.That's why your poor.
LMFAO: Learn punctuation...
WOW impressive 500 employess...How many are part time that make under 30 hours aweek and cannot qualify for those "great" benefits?
Yeah this article is onesided but the sticking point is that maybe the City would have been more flexiblle in working out a new arrangement if The Mill paid on time will disputing charges. At least that is the way it works for us poor white folks.
before u talk about my punctuation let's talk about your spelling. the tribe has donated thousand of dollars to the community. oh don't even bring in the poor white folk thing either it's been overplayed over the year's. If the staff from the casino need medical they can go to the reservation clinic and they know it.You have nothing better to do but complain.That's why your poor.
The Brutal Truth wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:05 PM:
It seems that some of you are confusing city services (police, fire, water, sewer, etc) with the room tax debacle.
orecoast007 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:50 PM:
PROUDMOMMY, They could start by paying what they OWE to North Bend and hire some of us that are not tribal.....LOL Then maybe they might be good nieghbors... YEA RIGHT!!!!!
orecoast007 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:44 PM:
I say cut off "ALL" city services, do not respond to any fire, medical, or police calls.... Why stop there let's cut off "ALL" city/county services to the reservation as well..... What makes those ******* indians think they are better than anyone else? And "DON'T" give me that BS they are a soveriegn nation..... You can not even get a job there if you are not a memeber of a tribe..... If an employer gives preferrence to certain group of people isn't that wrong, but why is is OK to give preferrence to person of indian decsent when they do hiring at the mill..
chunkymilk wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:26 PM:
ok so for those of you who question the math here it is:
115,000 X 4 = 460,000
+
44,750 = $504,750
the 115,000 is a quarterly payment meaning there are 4 of them per year. the 44,000 is the hotel/motel tax. the city does not do a quarterly budget, only an annual budget. and if they are anything like the federal government then the fiscal year starts over Oct. 1
115,000 X 4 = 460,000
+
44,750 = $504,750
the 115,000 is a quarterly payment meaning there are 4 of them per year. the 44,000 is the hotel/motel tax. the city does not do a quarterly budget, only an annual budget. and if they are anything like the federal government then the fiscal year starts over Oct. 1
coos bay person wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:24 PM:
to pround mommy, I guess you could say the casino offers health care if that's what you want to call it. Free food if that's what you call it, food. Also do you know who makes the decisions to help the people in need? If they don't think the person needs help they won't give it, depends on who you are. They sure have you sucked in Mommy
tsunami wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:17 PM:
let me point out something here for all the folks that dont read the newspaper. the mill donates money to the community due to an agreement they have with the state of oregon. they dont do that of their own free will. it'll be the next agreement they will break.
WOW wrote on Sep 25, 2009 4:23 PM:
Well said, NBrez. Like someone else mentioned already, I thought an earlier article indicated the Tribe paid up? So what is this lawsuit about? We don't have all the facts and until then, I tend to think the Tribe hasn't done much to warrant having their services terminated like the rest of you.
somethoughts wrote on Sep 25, 2009 4:21 PM:
Are you kidding me. More then twice the comments about this story then the screwed up Coos Bay City Council. Looks like the World is protecting Mayor Mc Keown again. Come on World spill all the negative comments about Mc Keown.
vt wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:29 PM:
Most communities and businesses operate on a budget. I am sure the 500K has to do with a forecasted budget loss from the casino not paying the city. The city is right to assume that two non-payments in a row will probably continue unless the pending lawsuit changes things.
Jeepin wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:39 PM:
Eh they have been paying North Bend far to much for far to long. Hey tribe go talk to the city of coos bay, I'm sure they would annex you in and charge you far less.
This is a contract dispute. As simple as that,they do happen with all kinds of other business's. They legally aren't obligated to pay in the first place, they were just being a good neighbor.
This is a contract dispute. As simple as that,they do happen with all kinds of other business's. They legally aren't obligated to pay in the first place, they were just being a good neighbor.
NorthBender wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM:
Amazing!! Maybe you should actually find out what you are talking about!! The Mill has donated over $1 million to the local area! Local schools all over have benefitted from contributions from the Mill.
Also, don't respond to 911 calls!?!? OK until it is one of your family members or friends dying of a heart attack!
Also, don't respond to 911 calls!?!? OK until it is one of your family members or friends dying of a heart attack!
tanzyragweed wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM:
I will no longer be a patron at the casino if they cannot give back to the community in which they reside. What a slap in the face!
my2cents wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:13 PM:
a comment or two back to the crowd. The majority of the employees are full time, 30 hours a week. There are very few part time employees at the casino. And perhaps you should all look at the city and the fact that when the tribe paid them the 1st qtr payment late in an attempt to open discussions with them months ago and they refused the check. So who's faces has egg on it now... the city if you ask me. and the person that wondered about the math.. i have the same question...115k leads to 500k in cuts from the budget... ??? I am educated but still can't figure out that equation.
ocnlvr83 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:00 PM:
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the tribe owe nothing to the town, if their property is on their land? Last I knew, NB is on Native American land.
NorthBender wrote on Sep 25, 2009 1:48 PM:
This is very one sided!The Mill has donated to charities, schools and cities local and inland.Services provided are one thing, but why didn't the tribe pay? Why were they late? Could it be issues that have not been resolved? I
NB_Rez wrote on Sep 25, 2009 1:17 PM:
To 1313 - I never said that I supported tribes taking over prime real estate in this area. All I'm saying is that before you or I rush to judgement, all the facts need to be laid out. The tribe obviously has a reason to withold these taxes and I seriously doubt it's because of greed, especially considering all the money they donate each year. People like you rush to judgement all the time and promote these drastic measures such as closing the casino. That short-sightedness is what's wrong with this community. Closing the casino would have a far more negative impact to this area than them not paying a hotel tax. If anything, the city of NB is greedy for insisting that they adhere to a 15 yr old contract without even an opportunity to renegotiate. Now us taxpayers get to foot the bill for a lawsuit NB likely won't win.
Koos Bayanian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 12:55 PM:
LMFAO: Learn punctuation...
WOW impressive 500 employess...How many are part time that make under 30 hours aweek and cannot qualify for those "great" benefits?
Yeah this article is onesided but the sticking point is that maybe the City would have been more flexiblle in working out a new arrangement if The Mill paid on time will disputing charges. At least that is the way it works for us poor white folks.
WOW impressive 500 employess...How many are part time that make under 30 hours aweek and cannot qualify for those "great" benefits?
Yeah this article is onesided but the sticking point is that maybe the City would have been more flexiblle in working out a new arrangement if The Mill paid on time will disputing charges. At least that is the way it works for us poor white folks.
tsunami wrote on Sep 25, 2009 12:26 PM:
this is my second post so maybe you can figure this really bothers me. who in their right mind wants to gamble at a casino known for renegging on their agreements. it would be crazy to buck the odds and the casino's word too
The Brutal Truth wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:57 AM:
Ditto what WORKER BEE said!
What does any of this have to do with how many people the Mill employs, or who they are?
I'd feel the same way if this were Wal-Mart, ACS, etc., any other business that employs a large number of people.
What does any of this have to do with how many people the Mill employs, or who they are?
I'd feel the same way if this were Wal-Mart, ACS, etc., any other business that employs a large number of people.
ocnlvr83 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:45 AM:
Okay, this seriously confuses me. Are you people aware that CB and NB are suffering from unemployment? Do you seriously think that it's a good idea to let go of 500+ people because Native Americans won't pay the rent? Does the thought of 500 people having no jobs make you feel unutterable happiness? Because it sounds to me like you're condoning people being fired. I understand that the tribe is doing a wrong thing, but look at the possible outcome. Loss of jobs, loss of tourism (because they're not all here to golf, and look at the scenery), loss of the money you people complain we need.
1313 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:25 AM:
NBrez do you work for, or belong to the Tribe. Besides taking and taking just tell me what the "tribe" does for us????? They take in so much money and give back so little, its pathetic! The Indians are getting so much property around here, and paying NO TAXES on it, that no wonder our county is going broke. They own some of the best property that could have brought in lots of tax money from someone else.
lmfao wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:17 AM:
all you negative people need to get over yourselfs nobody cares what u think because in the long run they will work thing's out and your gonna be red in the face for all the crap u have talked and the one's that are saying shut their doors are probably the one's that have a gambling problem and think that is going to help u out
AmericanPatriot1 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:14 AM:
I thought the Native Tribe was a Soveriegn Nation? I know that they have their own Police Force and their own Governing Body. I know that they have taxes to pay and some services but in the end I believe they (the tribe) will have their way in the end. I work for the Shakopee Sioux Tribe in Minnesota and I know that this same thing took place here last year and the tribe ended up having it in thier favor.
vt wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:42 AM:
Regardless of what the Casino has done philanthropically has nothing to do with this issue. The Mill owes the City money for services provided... Either you pay for those services or you don't receive them. Kudos to NB.
my2cents wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:13 AM:
I agree that bills should be paid when due. But some of you are not working with the facts here. so you know the Casino does employ just over 500 people. Less than 100 of those are tribal members. The employees have a good benefit package that is comparable or better in some regards to any other big employer in the area. The person that posted about the conversation the tribe wanted to have with the city is right on.. what happened to that conversation... the city refused to talk. Wasn't there an article a few months ago saying that the taxes were paid. So what is this lawsuit exactly about. The World Newspaper, I challenge you to report the facts.
Worker Bee wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:08 AM:
NB_REZ,
Let's put it in small terms for you. If you do not pay your bills, you have your services taken away. It does not matter how much good you do for anyone.
They made an agreement. It does not matter if they do not like it. It does not matter if North Bend refuses to alter it. They must pay it, as they agreed to, or North Bend should take away the services they provide to the Casino.
Go ahead and try it yourself. Tell Pacific Power, the water board, or any of your other utilities that you're not going to pay them, because you don't like your arrangement with them. You may be one heck of a guy, but I bet they shut you down.
Let's put it in small terms for you. If you do not pay your bills, you have your services taken away. It does not matter how much good you do for anyone.
They made an agreement. It does not matter if they do not like it. It does not matter if North Bend refuses to alter it. They must pay it, as they agreed to, or North Bend should take away the services they provide to the Casino.
Go ahead and try it yourself. Tell Pacific Power, the water board, or any of your other utilities that you're not going to pay them, because you don't like your arrangement with them. You may be one heck of a guy, but I bet they shut you down.
Icare wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:05 AM:
I agree completely with "Just an Observer". You tell them. Cut off their services NOW! Bet it won't take long and they will pay their bill.
NB_Rez wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:33 AM:
Why doesn’t anyone try making a fact-based comment here instead of spouting off half-cocked about closing the casino or cutting off services? I can’t imagine any of you knowing all the facts in this case from reading a one-sided article in the World. Most of you have this mob mentality that is reminiscent of the Salem witch trails. The casino does a lot for this community despite what many say. It’s the 2nd or 3rd largest employer in the county as well as having donated millions to support community programs over the years. YET, despite all that, the first words out of many of your mouths is “close it down!”, “cut off services!”, “block the entrance!” and all that without having a single fact as to why the tribe refuses to pay. Stop trying to cut off your nose to spite your face. I laugh at these comments because just last year the same rhetoric was being said when they laid off people. It’s almost as if you look for any excuse to bash the tribe regardless of the reason.
The Brutal Truth wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:42 AM:
Do you honestly think the Mill would shut its doors if the city said they were having all their services cut?
Of course not. I bet they'd pay up.
lulz!!!111!!!11
Of course not. I bet they'd pay up.
lulz!!!111!!!11
enforce wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:36 AM:
It's about time the city nutted up too the tribe.After all we have rights to.And what A.. hole said it would cost 500 jobs they do not nor never have had that many and so what how many employees are tribe members and how many are locals. Make them pay up it's the law in America you know our Country !!!!!!
CBRezident wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:39 AM:
Couldnt have this all been avoided if the city officals would've reponded to the Tribes request to discuss this matter.Or could it be that the laywers want a big ol chunk o money.In whos interests are they looking out for?Hmm...
concerned wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 PM:
I not an accountant or anything, but even if the tribe doesn't pay their two payments of $115,000 and the $44,750 for the hotel/motel tax it still is only a shortfall to the city of $274,750. Why would the city have to cut a total of $500,000? Am I missing something?
lmfao wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:08 PM:
i think the tribe has done enough for the community why not complain about how much the mayor and all them are making have them take a pay cut bunch of corrupt people your complaing about not spending your money there that's probably because you don't have it to spend and the tribe has their own police but again the north bend police think they need to be involved they need to be worried about getting the meth outta the community not what's going on at the casino and the ones complaining about the indians need to remember they were here before you not the other way around the people who are complaining about how their treated working at the casino need to find another job if it wasn't for the casino they wouldn't have one but i guess all you people that are complaining haven't got anything better to do
Pig Nuts wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:07 PM:
When the Coquille lose their Casino to their debtors, Sterling Savings & Umpqua Bank, what do you think the new name will be?
Stumpoquille Casinos has a nice ring to it...
Stumpoquille Casinos has a nice ring to it...
Mr E wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:54 PM:
So, where are all the people to claim how "great" this Casino has been for the area? Where are the people claiming "oh, you're just racist" for questioning the decisions made in the community that have given carte blanche to the Casino to operate in any way they see fit... even refusing to pay the bills? I mean, there's at least one poster who is going with the silly "but they provide jobs!" argument... well, I'm sure there are other tribes who would love the opportunity to run this casino, and would have NO PROBLEM paying the bills.
Shut off the services until they pay up. It's simple. Also, fine them for any violations (such as sewage water being dumped into the bay, etc) if they choose to stay open.
Shut off the services until they pay up. It's simple. Also, fine them for any violations (such as sewage water being dumped into the bay, etc) if they choose to stay open.
ProudMommy wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:52 PM:
coos bay person: How can you say they are not good to the employees? They have EVERYTHING for the employees. They give them FREE food, they have health care of all kinds :), and SOOO much more. And when someone is in need they help the best they can. Even if they are not tribal.
clairecat wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:26 PM:
Who controls who here? The tribe has way too much pull. The casino is responsible for the closing of many businesses in CB/NB. I'd have a very successful business as well if I didn't have to pay taxes. If they don't want to pay taxes, shut off the services. The casino needs to go away so CB/NB can get back to respectibility.
tsunami wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:25 PM:
it appears that the tribe is making fools out of the rest of us. without making their agreed upon payments for services rendered it's the rest of north bend residents that have to foot the bill. the city has to make some decsions here and with their past practice of dwaddling over things i'm sure the indian wannabes are in no danger of losing services. i'm glad though that i've ceased being one of their patrons.
js wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:29 PM:
Hey NBRez - How dare you call me an idiot! I pay my taxes for services. I say quit supporting this casino and I hope that anyone that has paid the so called tax on their hotel rooms will call for a refund. To collect a tax and not pay it is just plain fraud!
NB_Rez wrote on Sep 24, 2009 3:55 PM:
Yeah! Let's force the Casino to close so over 500 people will be without jobs in this area. Good idea! Lol...bunch of idiots.
Just Me wrote on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM:
On top of not paying for the sewer, fire and police, they are also RIPPING OFF every single person that stays in their high class hotel by charging the hotel/motel tax! This is an outrage! I was in a bad way years back and couldn't pay my sewer bill, they were actually going to DIG it up if I didn't pay it ASAP leaving me without services! Naturally, it was paid so it never happened. What is the difference between them and people like me? I say CUT THEM OFF just like any of us that don't pay the pauper! How dare them!
bayres wrote on Sep 24, 2009 3:19 PM:
Don't pay your bills!! But, don't cry when your customers have to take a bath in the bay and pack their own drinking water in.
secret sauce wrote on Sep 24, 2009 3:03 PM:
NB need look no further than the Feds playbook regarding how to handle this sort of problem.
somethoughts wrote on Sep 24, 2009 1:56 PM:
Seems like North bend is taking advantage. Cedco should talk to Coos Bay.
The Brutal Truth wrote on Sep 24, 2009 1:36 PM:
Whoa whoa whoa......hang on....
North Bend is going to cut their budget because The Mill wont pay up?
How about this idea instead: Cut off all city services to The Mill until they are paid up in full.
North Bend is going to cut their budget because The Mill wont pay up?
How about this idea instead: Cut off all city services to The Mill until they are paid up in full.
1313 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 1:02 PM:
Don't respond to emergency calls at The Mill, period. Let Them take care of their own problems.......!
coos bay person wrote on Sep 24, 2009 1:01 PM:
I think if the tribe is not willing to pay the City of North Bend what is owed than the City should stop police and fire services to the casino. It's bad enough when the tribe treats it's employees bad, but it worse when they fail to keep there agreement and others outside of the casino lose there jobs. Good going Coquille Indians who are you going to hurt next?
js wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:36 PM:
Does this surprise anyone?
Just another reason that I choose NOT to spend my money at this local business!
Just another reason that I choose NOT to spend my money at this local business!
Just An Observer wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:20 PM:
Cut the municipal services off immediately. If you don't pay your cable, phone or electric bill in a timely enough fashion, you get cut off. The Coquille tribe is way past the past due date. No need to go to court over that part of the article.
The Coquille tribe has their own police. They can go get their own fire department too if they desire. Sewage can be shut off by sending out a crew to dig into the street on the public side of the property line. That'll close down the casino entirely but hey, if they don't want to pay the bill, close 'em down just like any other citizen or business that doesn't pay their bill. Let the Indians be as sovereign as they want and deal with the consequences of independence if they don't want to play nice.
The Coquille tribe has their own police. They can go get their own fire department too if they desire. Sewage can be shut off by sending out a crew to dig into the street on the public side of the property line. That'll close down the casino entirely but hey, if they don't want to pay the bill, close 'em down just like any other citizen or business that doesn't pay their bill. Let the Indians be as sovereign as they want and deal with the consequences of independence if they don't want to play nice.
CB Lifer wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:02 PM:
Well, I guess the tribe wants even more preferential treatment. Don't everyone kill me now, I got some indian in me too. I say, if they don't pay as agreed, stop services to them! Let them have their sewer back up on them. When they need the police, let them figure it out themselves, get some really big bouncers for the casino! If they value the town and it's people, that, by the way, keep spending their money there to support them, they'll pay. If they don't, NB knows where it stands, shut off all services
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