Health insurance rip-off continues


Thursday, September 03, 2009 | 28 comment(s)

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Since March, the health insurance industries have spent $133 million and the pharmaceutical corporations $162 million in lobbying to defeat health care reform legislation.

The public relations firm that created the phony swift boat ads, that helped to derail the election of John Kerry, is once again working for the Republican party and their bosses — big health insurance businesses. They are using the same deceptive tactics to defeat Democratic health care reform legislation.

Republican congressmen and their surrogates are lying to the American people about the health care reform plan, constantly repeating lies and falsehoods, such as government takeover, death panels for the elderly, instead of a living will which millions of Americans already have.

This all becomes part of a staged, well-organized, well-funded consortium of many far right-wing facets, all working in conjunction with each other, knowingly or not, to make sure Obama and the Democrats fail.

Apparently, most of those angry individuals who are disrupting town hall meetings have not come to the realization that Obama won the election and one of his campaign promises was  health care reform, including the public option, not mandatory, to compete with big insurance businesses — to keep them honest.

Those Republican congressmen who holler “no socialized medicine” are hypocrites, since members of Congress have practically free lucrative health insurance, more than 10 options to choose from, plus the use of government hospitals like Walter Reed, all subsidized by American taxpayers.

Also subsidized are Medicare, Medicaid, the veterans, health and human services, federal postal workers, the military and federal employees. Non-medical subsidies are also funded in part for the human good such as the airlines, Amtrack, PBS, farmers, the arts, transportation and highways. The list goes on.

One can only feel sorry for those people who are trying to sabotage health care reform legislation, because at some point they may have a family member, relative or friend who become one of the 46 million uninsured, denied coverage for pre-existing condition, overweight, can’t pay a sky-high premium, forced into medical bankruptcy to keep their house because of a catastrophic illness.

Whether you are a conservative, liberal, Democrat, Republican or independent, without health care reform the greedy health insurance conglomerates retain the status quo and the rip off continues.

Mr. President, even though the waters have been muddied, the majority of the American people who voted for you are still behind you. Go for it.

T. Dan Hopkins

Lakeside
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Dragonman wrote on Sep 17, 2009 4:35 PM:

tag urit; No the degree that Obama has doesn’t make you wrong, nor does you not having one at all. You are just wrong because you are wrong. It's that plain and simple. I do notice that you seem to be very picky about who you chose to debate with here. So I know you’re not stupid. Go find a relevant fact, bring it to the table. I for one am open to hearing anything that seems to be valid, as long as it isn’t some theory that you cooked up between shows of Rush and Glen. 70% of all Doctors want this to pass. OOPS there goes your theory about not enough Doctors. If they are for it then? Ask you’re doctor what he thinks. There’s a good place to get an opinion. Or do you think the Government has all ready gotten to him? OH NO! Soilent green it’s people I tell you, it’s people!

tag urit wrote on Sep 11, 2009 6:35 AM:

So if a person who comments on this newspaper's website doesn't have the same college degrees as the President it makes us WRONG?? I don't think so!
When you compare Glenn Beck and Barrack Obama's education it does nothing for your argument.

Dragonman wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:32 PM:

Tag Urit; Your logic is out there. Do you really believe that people without health insurance do not use any medical facilities? LOL, that’s an insane thought. Emergency room visits are expensive, and they are used by all. Especially people without health insurance, who do you think pays for that? You do, I do. Anyone with a tax paying job does, more so the people with health insurance pay higher premiums that will continue to climb as long as things stay this way. And where do you get the idea that there is a shortage of Doctors? Or there will all of a sudden be this flood of people who are sick that need to go to the doctor? Make it up as you go, maybe the sky is falling. It will be a shame if people are actually able to see a doctor, pay reasonable premiums, not be dropped do to health issues, get their meds, and stay healthy.

viva la 2010 wrote on Sep 10, 2009 5:28 PM:

Hee Hee, No God's a gurl with ACORNs!!

rcflyer wrote on Sep 10, 2009 5:04 PM:

that m4 carbine must have been built or manufactured in state #57,i'd sure like one,why thats a true collectors item.

NoGod wrote on Sep 10, 2009 12:33 PM:

Tag.Obama went to Columbia University and got his BA then graduated from Harvard Law . Then he was the Harvard Law Reviews first African American President.. Really quit bringing pine cones when your opponent has an M4 Carbine :)

Tag Urit wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:25 AM:

"No God" only insults, so why argue with her?
Throwing Glenn Beck into the argument only benefits her insults, and then she has to throw in Sarah Palin to her spin and compares Obama's education? Really?
Go figure.

NoGod wrote on Sep 9, 2009 6:44 PM:

Obama's full speech debunking the tin foil hat wearing, Glenn Beck (I don't have a college degree yet millions listen to me) watching loonies.

Oh I even linked it from a fox affiliate so you don't have to taint your browser with Huffington Post or Al Jazeera English :)

http://www.myfoxeugene.com/dpp/news/dpgo_obama_speech_text_health_care_3417412

NoGod wrote on Sep 9, 2009 2:44 PM:

For the record to anyone who doesn't know Glenn Beck's educational record..There is none.. he dropped out of yale after taking ONE CLASS. And you guys say Obama isn't qualified?HAHAHHAHAH Wow.

NoGod wrote on Sep 9, 2009 1:29 PM:

RockyDog:We still have all of the services the government has been providing us for decades. Until those services actually stop.Then you can say the government isn't doing anything right.

I refuse to argue with someone who actually takes what Glenn Beck has to say as truth.I might as well be arguing with my 7 year old,no wait at least he can discern between reality and fantasy.

Rocky Dog wrote on Sep 9, 2009 1:00 PM:

I didn't get a answer No god again what does government run right? All you can do is insult and not answer the question. You condemn Glenn Beck but I see you left out any rebuttal except Sarah Palin doesn't hunt did you think that one up all on your own. Could it be he's accurate so all we get from you is a insult good for you. The Democratic party uses the same play book, insult what you cannot debate. Why am I not surprised that you are fine with a self avowed communist having the ear of the President. You showed your hand with the Authors that hold your intrest. Just one question if Socialism is soooo great why make all us change to fit your ideals why not move your no god no country to Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.

NoGod wrote on Sep 8, 2009 4:14 PM:

Rocky: Learn how to use spell check then come back and try and debate me on health care. Until then, go back to watching Glenn Beck (I hear on today's program he's going to have the ghost of Joe McCarthy on explaining what you can do to help wipe out the evil Red Army!!) And when that's over with stare in awe at your poster of the PHONY NEVER HUNTED IN HER LIFE Sara Palin.

Rocky Dog wrote on Sep 8, 2009 1:47 PM:

nogod I guess you picked your nose to long and pulled some brain matter. What does government run right? nothing so you go and start with trailer parks you must know so well. Ok so Obama gets health care put thru and Sarah Palin get elected next time around I guess you'll still be the big thinker that government knows better. Your like the Kenndy wing change the law when it benifits me and change it back when it dosen't. Get a clue government is not the anwser.

NoGod wrote on Sep 8, 2009 10:57 AM:

Tag: Maybe you must be a member of a different AFL-CIO than I am.But for the life of me I can't find anywhere where it says "15 %" don't have health insurance.

Without health care reform costs will continue to go up while health will continue to go down. Putting people to work won't make them better, especially when most companies put people to work at less than 32 hours a week (which is generally what you have to work to GET BENEFITS).

As long as we continue to have this "Profit over people" mentality nothing will change. The Health Care Industry like the Military Industrial Complex like the Pharmaceutical Complex is about one thing Money. It doesn't matter if half the inhabitants of earth are dead in it's wake as long as it makes that quick buck right then and there..

When are we going to learn from our mistakes and actually put people first? As I continue to see all of these crazies come out of the woodwork ..I'm really starting to to think that answer is never.

tag urit wrote on Sep 8, 2009 7:47 AM:

Only 15% of Americans do not have healthcare according to the AFL-CIO website.

There are bigger things needing RE-FORM in America:
Please spend my money to work on the repair of the US infrastructure… If INTERSTATES, SEWERS, POWER, BRIDGES, DRINKING WATER, and other basic services are not available, paying for healthcare just will not matter. These are things people see and really need everyday. Take the $2.5M and get America moving again.

Put my money toward these real reforms and it will put people to work, put people to work and they can afford healthcare. Put people to work and they will not have time to sit behind the TV getting fatter, lazier, and dumber. Put people to work and they will value what they earn… Give people stuff and they will just want for more.

Jethro wrote on Sep 6, 2009 8:31 PM:

As I have stated before, the bought and paid for GOP will continue to their disinformation campaign against health care reform because that is what they are paid to do. The GOP knows it's constituency well, and knows that they are generally intellectually lazy and will believe whatever Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck tell them.

Intellectual laziness should be a crime.

Mr E wrote on Sep 6, 2009 6:30 PM:

Hiram, you sir, have some interesting comments... some lies, some half-truths, and some statistics that just aren't true. Simply put, "early detection" five year survival rates are 96% in the US, yet, over ten million women in their 40s or older have yet to receive a mammogram. That's not the norm in Canada.

Considering the number of cases, and the fact that breast cancer is the most common cancer in Canada, even if your statistics are accurate (which is questionable), there are many women who are detected early enough so as to be treated less aggressively, than in the US.

But I applaud you, since you don't want someone coming between you and your doctor, it's nice to know that you are wealthy enough to not need insurance. Otherwise, you're just a run-of-the-mill hypocrite, who has no problem allowing a corporate bureaucracy to come between you and your doctor. Frankly, though I question our government all the time, I trust them with my health, more than stockholders or CEOs.

NoGod wrote on Sep 6, 2009 11:32 AM:

Standupgal: Have you ever gone outside of your trailer? Ever? Have you been on a plane and gone to a foreign country? Have you? I highly doubt it or else you would know that most of those myths about foreign health care is wrong.

And like it or not we don't have "the best health care in the world" Funny though I can tell you watch Glenn Beck he's been saying that same line for years :) Keep pushing the agenda for people who profit off of our death, poor sheeple.

NoGod wrote on Sep 6, 2009 12:54 AM:

I love how these idiots still continue to stick up for drug companies such as Pfizer who just lost billions in legal fees due to illegal business practices...

And for the record it's not mandatory to get the government health care so stop complaining and yelling of socialism or communism you idiots wouldn't know either one if it bit you in the face...If I recall a certain Joe McCarthy brought on quite the red scare and look what happened to him.

Jethro wrote on Sep 5, 2009 1:21 PM:

It's a crying shame. The GOP sells out the nation, and then, when people can no longer afford health care because their job was shipped out to another country, the GOP says to them, "tough."

Now they are selling out their nation yet again.

I guess the only way that you and I can get free health care is to move to Iraq, where our tax dollars ensure that every Iraqi can see a doctor and get treatment.

standupgal wrote on Sep 5, 2009 9:34 AM:

Hey Observer,
If medical care is so wonderful in Britain and France ( where 4000 women just gave birth in latrines, hallways, and on the street), in Canada (where Canadians come by the hundreds to the US for cancer treatment insteading of waiting for weeks until it is too late), and Sweden to name a few of the socialist health care systems, YOUR feet are not nailed to the ground, MOVE THERE!!

I bet that you will not leave the best health care system in the world.

Do we have some minor health insurance problems and stupid lawsuits gumming up the system? Sure, but why destroy a system that 85% of us like for a few. These problems could be solved by a good piece of legislation, but OBAMACARE is about CONTROL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Oldlthrneck wrote on Sep 5, 2009 3:50 AM:

Just Saying says:
"And none of the above paid for their own healthcare.
It is, in fact, a socialized program."

Number one, they did pay for those benefits. SS was expanded to include Medicare. People rail against the greedy corporations, when it is the greedy Congressmen, both Dem and Rep, that have squandered the SS monies. They cannot stand to see a pot of money sitting there which they could be spending for nefarious projects in their own districts. And as for the militay, they paid for the benefits with blood sweat and tears. Constant sacrifices and years of seperation from their families. A contract was signed, in exchange for their service military members are provided certain benefits, one of which is medical care for themselves and their families. They didn't demand something for free that they have done nothing to earn.
Just because you state that something is a fact, does not make it so.

just saying

george soros wrote on Sep 4, 2009 12:27 PM:

Ironic this administration has changed the name "Health Care Reform", and now calls it "Health Insurance Reform"
Thats to make people think he is going to fight insurance companies on our behalf and that it won't have anything to do with your personal health
(which it will).......smoke & mirrors PERIOD!!!

just saying wrote on Sep 4, 2009 9:35 AM:

OLDLTHRNECK -

Yes. Vets deserve their medical benefits. It is government run healthcare, however. In fact, the military, where everything including housing, food, and medical bills is provided for them and their families, is run more like a socialist organization than anything else. That is who is protecting our country and they do a great job.

Medicare recipients "earn" their healthcare by having lived to the age of 65.

And none of the above paid for their own healthcare. A portion of their earnings weren't placed into a bank account until their retirement. In reality, people currently paying taxes supply all of the funds that pay for current recipients of government run/supplied healthcare. It is, in fact, a socialized program.

Just saying.

Tag Urit wrote on Sep 4, 2009 7:25 AM:

Right now, Medicare is the glory of all government run health care plans. If you want more than Medicare provides then you pay for a private policy besides what you PAY for Medicare.
If Health Care Reform passes, it is going to put millions of people into the health care system that were not there before. But are the numbers of doctors, nurses and hospitals increasing? No. What we will get when we visit a doctor is what we get when we visit a Social Security Administration field office, "Do you have any guns or knives?"

Hiram1999 wrote on Sep 3, 2009 2:43 PM:

Mr. Hopkins is an "in-line" communist ready to do his part for the collective. Newsfash... America is about individual rights, NOT the collective. I have been to hospitals like Japan, where people have to bring food and blankets for the patients. In Canada, women who get breast cancer have a 6-8 week wait to START treatment!! Not here, not in America. Keep Obama between me and my doctor...

Oldlthrneck wrote on Sep 3, 2009 11:47 AM:

Mr. Hopkins says "Also subsidized are Medicare, Medicaid, the veterans, health and human services, federal postal workers, the military and federal employees."

These are not subsidized socialist programs, these are employer provided health care programs, or retirement benefits that have been paid for through their years of working. That is where the left is wrong, they try to portray these as socialized medicine, when that is just wrong. These sevices are provided for Federal employess, and retirees not a giveaway of benefits for those that have done nothing to earn them.

Just An Observer wrote on Sep 3, 2009 11:36 AM:

Follow the money! Who is really against health care reform? The corporations and their political cronies, who are usually Republicans. Their recipe is to panic the public with "death panels" and call Obama a Socialist. Instead we the people get the corporate "death panels" after a fashion and taken to the cleaners by good old capitalist practices, aided and abetted by the corrupt politicians.


Want something better? It's out there in the rest of the First World countries. US medical stats are dismal compared to Europe and Japan. Let's get the best for our money that we can and talk real reform instead of letting the rightwingnuts toady for the corporate interests.


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