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By Nate Traylor, Staff Writer
Sunday, August 30, 2009 | 30 comment(s)

As major retailers locate elsewhere, South Coast residents ask: Where's ours?

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Warrenton is experiencing a box-store boom.The town is quickly becoming the premier shopping destination in northwestern Oregon’s Clatsop County. It has Home Depot, Costco, Walgreens, Rite Aid — among other national retailers — but a population of only about 4,400.

“We’re in an explosive environment here,” said Carol Parker, city planning director.

Rumor has it, other prospective retailers are looking, such as Staples and Big 5.

Though the existing Costco is 70,000 square feet, the bargain-club retailer is building a 148,000-square-foot behemoth near the new Home Depot on U.S. Highway 101.

Coos County meanwhile, has a population nearly twice the size of Clatsop’s. And our retailers draw customers from the California border to Florence. So a lot of Coos County residents want to know: Where’s our Costco?

Close calls and shopping malls

Even when combined with Astoria, its big sister across the bridge, Warrenton is not a large city. Clatsop County’s demographics are similar to Coos County’s though Clatsop residents tend to be a bit wealthier, with a per capita income of $31,000, compared with $29,000 here.

Warrenton also has 17 miles of buildable, flat land within city limits — an unusual attribute on the hilly northern coast. That makes it fertile ground for developers. It has become the hot spot for retail development on the coast.

But big national chains haven’t totally ignored the Bay Area.

Andy Nasburg, commercial Realtor with North Point Real Estate in Coos Bay, said Walgreens and Michaels, an arts and crafts chain, showed interest five years ago, but things didn’t pan out.

Nasburg had locations available for the stores on Newmark Avenue, but both businesses wanted something on the 101. Earlier this year, he secured a prime location on the highway for Walgreens, but corporate brass backed out due to the economy.

Many retailers view Highway 101 as a lifeline to their business, said Nasburg, a commercial Realtor for 13 years.

Others want a population of at least 100,000 to draw from within a certain radius.

“That’s the challenge of being on the coast,” he said. “They don’t understand our shopping area. Our shopping district is elliptical.”

Paul Rudder, owner of Pony Village Mall, continually tries to lure big-name retailers to his shopping center, but they just aren’t biting.

“One thing people would like — and we would like, too — is a bookstore. But we just don’t have the population for a Barnes & Noble,” Rudder said.

The Bay Area came close to getting a Home Depot. The Coquille Economic Development Corp. even had a waterfront lease agreement with the home improvement chain, but the economy and complications with a storm water permit spiked the deal.

CEDCO, the business arm of the Coquille Indian Tribe, is optimistic a large retail entity eventually will take up residence on the Ko Kwel Wharf property, a 50.5-acre parcel located north of The Mill Casino-Hotel.

“When the economy turns around, they’ll be ready and we’ll be ready, too,” said CEDCO spokesman Ray Doering.

Mom-’n’-pops and job opps

Should a Home Depot or Lowe’s come our way, Jay Farr wouldn’t sweat it.

“When Walmart moved to the area, we didn’t have any change in business,” said the owner of Farr’s True Value Hardware, with locations in Coos Bay and Coquille.

He acknowledged that going up against a mega home-improvement retailer would “cut a piece of the pie,” but he’s confident he could compete.

“We offer more customer service and knowledge,” Farr said.

One store in downtown Astoria didn’t fare well against the new Home Depot. This week, The Daily Astorian reported that Hunt’s Home Furnishings will go out of business. Co-owner Tom Thornburg told the paper Home Depot and the ailing economy took a chunk out of his bottom line.

That’s a typical scenario, said Bruce Sorte, an economist with Oregon State University Extension’s Rural Studies Program.

“You never want to be a neighbor of a large retailer,” Sorte said.

What if an Olive Garden sprouted here?

Joe Benetti of Benetti’s Italian Restaurant in Coos Bay wouldn’t view it as a threat.

“They’re really a different operation,” he said.

A former mayor of Coos Bay, Benetti understands the desire to draw big retailers to the area, but he’s not sure it would be a boon to the economy.

“You want the jobs and the development, but as an individual, the last thing you want to do is affect the businesses we have here,” he said.

Farr, a third-generation hardware store owner, has reservations as well. Many of the jobs superstores provide are part-time with average pay, he said. His business provides 27 full-time jobs with benefits.

A common misconception is that big retail development will reduce unemployment, Sorte said. People relocate for jobs. That very thing is happening in Warrenton.

Warrenton’s Parker estimates that, within five years, more than 1,000 people will move to the area for jobs that come with big development. It spurs housing, too. About 690 homes will be located near Home Depot and Costco, she said. 

Big-box development also means more infrastructure, such as streets, and water and sewage facilities. More infrastructure means an increase in city employees, such as firemen and police, said Charles Wetzel, president of Buxton, a Texas-based company that helps businesses in customer identification and site selection.

Box store bust

While the economy hasn’t been kind to retailers in recent months, many national brands still are seeking opportunities for expansion, said Wetzel, whose company represents 1,200 clients in retail. 

“They’re looking to prove their worth,” he said.

Community officials who approach a corporate decision maker, such as a CEO or vice president of development, with key information (area demographics, location, economy, etc.) “will get a yes or no, very quickly,” Wetzel said.

But you have to be careful whom you recruit, said Sandra Messerle, director of the South Coast Development Council.

“There is a great deal to consider when going after retail of any kind,” Messerle said.

Box stores have a tendency to go belly-up when the economy sours. In recent months, Springfield lost Circuit City and regional sporting-goods chain Joe’s closed its Eugene location this year.

Messerle has a target list of retailers she’d like to approach, but only if they hold some promise of sustainability.

“We have to be as discretionary of them as they are with us,” she said.

Thinking outside the box

While creating retail opportunities in the Bay Area is one of Messerle’s goals, she’s not convinced big box stores are necessarily the way to go.

“If you look at the statistics, the most dependable jobs are those in businesses with eight to 15 people,” she said. “It’s the small businesses that really keep the economy running.”

National retailers can help plug “leakage,” or the amount of money leaving the community for urban shopping districts, said Sorte, the OSU economist.

The same can be said of Oregon-based chains, such as Bi-Mart. And that’s where Messerle sees promise.

“There are smaller businesses across the state that may be interested in expanding to our area,” she said.
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carefree highway wrote on Sep 7, 2009 6:45 AM:

Moonpenny has a big criticizing ego and no credibility. Keep those Pom Poms going all the way down Main street and straight out of town with all the other businesses and opportunities that will never be a part of Coos Bay.

m00npenny wrote on Sep 5, 2009 10:46 AM:

Kay: Actually I'm a grandmother of 5 and a new full time student at SOCC this fall. Amazing, just a citizen, just like you!
As usual you know nothing about anything. Stop bashing others for their success.

Kay wrote on Sep 4, 2009 12:33 PM:

So Moonpenny?

What is YOUR position with SCDC?

Or is it the Chamber?

My guess is both.

Do they give you pom-poms to use?

A megaphone, like in the old days?

m00npenny wrote on Sep 4, 2009 10:19 AM:

Carefree Highway: Most people within a community, strive to be an asset, your just a ...
Maybe on your travels you can find another area to blight? And not come back here?
Just a thought.

1313: Land here is very cheap, you’re so right. Try to buy the same even just up in Florence or down to Brookings, it’s really expensive. The Coos Bay area isn’t, because of the local governments stifling of growth.
Just looking up and down the West Coast, Coos Bay is the "odd town out". The only ones who have the control to change that, is city council. And they also have the ability to not change it. Our elections are coming up again soon; we need change, new faces and new ideas.

1313 wrote on Sep 4, 2009 8:46 AM:

Just a comment to CAREFREE, I think the land is pretty cheap around here, commpared to everywhere else. Also not over rated.
If you had a lot of money and wanted to invest in something, it would be smart to invest in property here. Most coastal property is much higher in other areas. Ours is a bargain here.

carefree highway wrote on Sep 4, 2009 6:12 AM:

Moonpenny is typical. She goes blah blah blah, but the facts are the facts and all her hot air cant change the FACTS!! Comments in here are accumulative and collective. Moonless Penny cant do anything for community growth.
I am still growing and achieving. In fact, I'm off on another over-seas vacation to a place I have never been to before. ahahahhaah

m00npenny wrote on Sep 3, 2009 4:51 PM:

Carefree Highway: You are exactly the problem. Your days of achieving and growing as a person are over.
All you want to do now is "rest". Dont tell people they have no future living here, they do. Whether you like it or not, people will prosper, business will come in and jobs with be created. And you will still be standing there with your negativity, complaining that the sky is falling. Go play Bingo, let the rest of us do our jobs and grow our community.

carefree highway wrote on Sep 3, 2009 7:01 AM:

Moonpenny: Go cry in your own beer. Stop attacking people in here, unless you want to be unloaded on yourself.
You dont look around when you do get out. We have lots of marsh land. I have a nice military pension, so the economy doesnt effect me. I just see lousy career opportunities here and no room for new business growth. The land is over priced and over-rated.

m00npenny wrote on Sep 2, 2009 5:09 PM:

Since Circuit City is Messerle's choice of examples, let’s go back just a bit. The chain started by a man named Samuel S. Wurtzel, his first store opened in 1949, Wards. In 1969 this man purchased electronics stores all over the country. In 1984, he changes the name to Circuit City. In 2009, after 60+ years in business, the company has announced that they will close all 567 US Stores, because of the severe drop in the economy. So has Waterford Wedgwood. And they had been in business for 250 years. These businesses met their demise to the world's economy. So please don’t point a condescending finger at Circuit City to validate your reasons why you won’t do your job. "We can't bring big box here, they might not survive". Had the world's economy not sank, they would both still be in business. If Messerle cannot or will not help Coos Bay bring large business/retail to our area, perhaps she should look for another job.

m00npenny wrote on Sep 2, 2009 5:06 PM:

Carefree highway: No property big enough? Don’t get out much do you. We have nothing but land around us!
College degrees spell success, but looking at your post, spelling is something you don’t quite grasp. If you see your life as worthless and you’re at the end of the road, then you have a personal problem.
Pignuts and Kay: Coos Bay is not to blame for your failures.

There is success here, there is life here. But you have to be willing to go get it, just like any where else.
No one is going to just give you a job. No one is going to give you a high wage for starting pay, you have to earn it. I see a lot of the posters here are the types that believe they should start out at the top of the pay scale that earning your way up is not a part of what they want. City Council should be giving incentives to big business that wants to come here. And give them a reason to stay.

1313 wrote on Sep 2, 2009 10:27 AM:

Retail is Not Dead ! We all have to buy things if we are alive....and there is a big market here is we get people from all up and down the coast, especially south, because what is there south on 101, not much for a long ways.
Can't people see this? You have to go a long way into California before you get any towns with lots of stores.
If everyone around here goes North to shop, that means we do shop if there are stores to shop in....! ! !

coaster wrote on Sep 1, 2009 11:35 AM:

the big boxes are definitly trying to capture the SW Washington shoppers who are looking to avoid sales tax. That's something you can't compete with...

coaster wrote on Sep 1, 2009 11:29 AM:

You are not really being fair when you calculate the population that uses the Warrenton stores. just across the other bridge is the Long Beach pennisula which has another 10,000 people, plus there are all the other Pacific county residents that head to Warrenton to shop...

CPW wrote on Aug 31, 2009 7:57 PM:

Ok Ok Ok I for one used to live in Warrenton and I can Tell you That there is Very little here for Costco or other BOX stores to come for.
Warrenton is a smaller town and Astoria across the bay is not much bigger.
However if you Consider Washington across the BIG bridge you open up another Big market area.

I agree WE NEED MORE in this town However Costco is only an option not the solution.
Even a Small NEW business comming in would help fron Concrete to Framing to Plumbing to Electrical ECT.ECT,ECT.

Think people what could you do ????????
Clean up the Streets ?????
Clean up your Yards ??????
The solution is not simple or Now.
Wake up and contribute instead of Pointing fingers and think

Pig Nuts wrote on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 AM:

Kay well said!

You people do not get it. Stores are for convenience. Retail is not going to turn around the economy.

The vast majority around here do their shopping on the first of the month with the government plastic. That is why the stores take a pass.

It is the incompetence & lack of desire on behalf of local leadership to market Coos County as a destination for industry to relocate.

Retail is dead. You have to manufacture a product. Something that will hurt when dropped on your foot. Something to employ worker bees & bring in educated professional big picture management.

1313 wrote on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 AM:

Our area businessmen are only hurting themselves by keeping out any new businesses.
We go to Eugene and Portland to do ALL our shopping and eating out.
Nothing here to buy or anyplace to eat out, worth a dime. So why waste money on the same ole same ole places.
It makes a mini vacation to go to Eugene, Portland, even Roseburg to do shopping and eating out.
So if our town don't want to let business in here, WE go someplace else to shop....
And don't blame the "NO NEW BUSINESS"
on the old people here, like someone said, we WANT NEW STORES AND RESTAURANTS
What do old people do most,'EAT OUT' of
course!!!!!

Kay wrote on Aug 30, 2009 11:33 AM:

Tally up how many millions came and went down the rabbit hole that is the TWO AIRPORTS, THE PORT, THE RAILROAD,THE PIPELINES, SCDC.

Just add it up and ask yourself what do we have to show for it?

And it continues, how much has The Port taken out of the system just this last year?

There's NO lack of money, folks - it's where it's going.

And WHO'S pockets is it going into?

This has gone on so long the citizens of this county, not on a Public Teat, have given up and permantly hug their ankles.

NoGod wrote on Aug 30, 2009 11:27 AM:

@Coos bay person.Saying "no" to companies that have a max wage of 10 dollars an hour is GOOD for your town.Why is it the norm to walmartify everywhere and think that it's really going to help bring good jobs? When you have a store that pays soo poorly that most of it's workers are on some for of government assistance you aren't HELPING ANYTHING!! see also WALMART .It's because of Walmart that once good paying companies like Safeways and Fred Meyer are now having to adapt to their model and pay lower and lower and lower..

NB Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2009 9:30 AM:

It's funny...we were just talking about this the other day. It started when we were complaining that we drive to Eugene once a month to shop at Costco and Trader Joe's. We are considering moving in a few years when we can because this area seems dead set on no growth and no new jobs. We are pretty fed up.

coos bay person wrote on Aug 29, 2009 6:31 PM:

Coos County needs to stop saying NO to companies that want to come here. We have a high unemployment rate as it is an with more business in the area we could sure as heck put a lot more people back to work and that is what this county needs. Wake up leaders and let's get some business in this county, QUIT saying NO to new business.

oliver woods wrote on Aug 29, 2009 3:35 PM:

Sandra Messerle, director of the South Coast Development Council may be part of the problem as opposed to being a party to the solution of stagnation in Coos County. I'm alway curious as to the influence some of the long-standing and larger business folks here may be having on such narrow minded thinking. Come on, let's big girl up!

Brawny James Dio wrote on Aug 29, 2009 1:34 PM:

North Bend and Coos Bay in a glory days football fight, unreported unemployment that puts us probably closer to 25% true unemployment, lousy, sinking, DSL landgrabbing available property along 101, unwillingness of the cities to clean up what is there, and a "not in my back yard" mentality of most of the residents (see the Madrona St. gang). It's pretty easy to see, really, why no one wants to build here.

1313 wrote on Aug 29, 2009 1:24 PM:

We could have had a lot of buildable land on highway 101 and flat land too, but instead of getting some nice big stores etc. it is used for a nice big gambling establishment. What a waste! ! !
Our area businessmen don't want any compitition anyway, and especially the restaurant owners, why do we NOT have any of the good restaurants other towns smaller and the same size as ours have.
we certainly need some decent restaurants around here, we have none.

Kay wrote on Aug 29, 2009 12:59 PM:

So what?

WE have TWO airline terminals.

WE have a $2,000,000.00 new Visitor Center.

WE have a railroad to nowhere.

m00npenny wrote on Aug 29, 2009 11:17 AM:

You can keep blaming the economy, corporate backing out, or things just not panning out. But if Warrenton is a place large stores are looking at, theres something smelly in the Coos Bay Planning department and city council. You are chasing big business away with your greed in taxes and business expenses. Stop screwing the people of this county and bring business in!!!

Just Me wrote on Aug 29, 2009 10:29 AM:

Sounds like to me that Messerle may be part of the problem of why we are not getting any of these larger chains in our area with her way of thinking! Our community needs these stores badly, we need the jobs that come with them! Why should we have to travel to Eugene or elsewhere to spend Coos County dollars, when with a little more effort on her part could possibly bring these stores here? And yes, I do realize, the store has to want to locate here also. We need to promote our area more so this will happen.

NoGod wrote on Aug 29, 2009 10:00 AM:

Which would you rather have...High paying quality jobs or 20 box stores paying minimum wage and only giving out pt 12 shifts? Keep the box stores!

marymoonbeam wrote on Aug 29, 2009 9:32 AM:

Thanks, Messerle, for thinking "inside the box."

mommie2209 wrote on Aug 29, 2009 8:53 AM:

half the reason that we do not get things like this is cause there are too many older people in this town that do not want change. its like the rezoning of of bangor. things have to change to make room for big business. this town has pretty much gone to fast food jobs support fast food jobs. if we want new things then people have to be up for change.....

Just An Observer wrote on Aug 29, 2009 8:32 AM:

"Things didn't pan out" is not the reason, it's due to PEOPLE not making decisions and taking actions that result in the stores not coming here. Warm and fuzzy phrases don't cut the mustard. What does the job is to find the points of failure and then fix them. Obviously people are doing things wrong at the government, corporate and private individual-business level here. Want proof of that statement? Look at how a smaller market area than ours did get the Big Boys to actually come to their area.


What did they do right? Knowing that is just as important as knowing what went wrong for us in CB-NB.


101 in CB-NB is home to ONE major name retailer. All the others are on Virginia, Broadway, Newmark and Ocean. Has anyone gotten a corporate scout out here to personally see the lay of the local land?



Lots of things need fixing on our end folks. You will know things are being done right when this area is growing again.


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