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George Soros wrote on Aug 27, 2009 2:04 PM:
Kind of off topic, but I have a wonderful well tapping a 200 foot aquifer, and I don't smoke anything but a pipe occasionally.
Dragonman wrote on Aug 25, 2009 9:35 PM:
You might be right George about the Dem's cutting the program. Of course they were not sending young Americans into a war that was not needed. Seems like Bush should have looked ahead when he wanted to start a war don’t you think, rather than run into it half cocked. Then after a few years of not dealing with the run down VA hospitals and lack of proper care he could have changed it. Long before people started screaming about it. Of course that would have meant maybe cutting back on a couple cruse missiles. The cut was because it wasn't needed at the time. We were not trying to take over the oil world. Also, are you from this community that gives you the brown water every 2 or 3 weeks, it smells of sewer sometimes. Maybe you would drink it. I don’t. I do believe water is still being bought.
George Soros wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:06 AM:
As for Bush, it was the Democratic controlled Congress that cut programs for the VA: 2007, congress cut back to almost 2001 levels.
George Soros wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:00 AM:
Rather than increasing revenue, the sin taxes reduce it. The Gov. pays children's health coverage out of cigarette taxes, then encourages people to stop smoking. Beer, wine, and hard alcohol was imposed with higher taxes and the idea to tax carbonated beverages like Gatoraid and Capri Sun has been thrown around. Ha, what about the bottle bill on water bottles, everyone thinks tap water is good again!
Dragonman wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:32 PM:
I have read this whole post. Buttercup had a good argument about the VA. I have to agree that it got to me when I watched the Government drag their feet for our Vet's. I think that was Bush era though. Obama has made it better. I see a lot of un-verified facts in here. How do people know he hasn't read it? I don't think you are from the fringe unless you start screaming the sky is falling, like people did about killing old people, or taking their choice of coverage away, or that end of life counseling was going to be mandatory. I would like to know how it's paid for. I am sure there will be some sort of premium for it. Taxing Corporate CEO's is cool with me; or any one making over 250,000 a year. I say add a 25% alcohol tax, maybe up the cig tax 25%. Both kill people, higher prices on these could change things a couple ways. Maybe the Government could become the next pot dealer. LOL I hear there’s good money in it, and it’s medicinal. Make non-green corporations pay. There has to be a way, don’t you think.
NoGod wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:35 PM:
Britain isn't too happy about all of these Health Insurance Funded phony protesters dogging on their Health Care system..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090814/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_us_health_care
Oh and in other news Dick Armey head of the phonies funded by HEalth Care CEO's stepped down from his position at his firm..Shed a tear Wingnuts..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090814/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_us_health_care
Oh and in other news Dick Armey head of the phonies funded by HEalth Care CEO's stepped down from his position at his firm..Shed a tear Wingnuts..
amadeus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:50 PM:
funny how whenever we get close to the heart of the matter y'all say "goodbye". not funny "ha ha" but funny "how pathetic" you can't even back up your OWN beliefs. For every stained glass window or oak pew, dozens of the less fortunate have suffered. For every silk suit and television camera dozens more have suffered. AND died..It hurts my stomach when the so called religious right think nothing of those without health care. (and by the way, I was not yelling, sometimes ya just hit caps lock by mistake) there is no easter bunny, no tooth fairy, no santa clause and no invisible man in the clouds. there is only you and I ...and those we care for or neglect.
Oldlthrneck wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:00 PM:
Kay: I am not sure why you and Amadeus feel the need to drag religion into the discussion. I have never proclaimed to be or not be a Christian. I have pointedly not mentioned anything about my spiritual beliefs. As I said on the other thread, that you followed me over from, I am truly saddened by the bitterness that you hold on to. Attack me as you will. That is your pattern on all of these threads, sarcasm and attacks. I will save my pity for someone that deserves it.
Kay wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:35 AM:
Oldlthrneck wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:56 PM:
People deserve and have a right to whatever they are willing to work for, including access to health care.
And if others are not so fortunate as you to have been raised well, to H with them AND their children?
I saw a room-full of white Christians erupt last night at the THOUGHT of providing health care for ALL . Including children of illegal immigrants. My guess they would ALL tell ya they are Christians. Wowsa.
One Native Am. woman put them to shame with her gentle words about being born poor, and wanting to care for all those less fortunate.
Guess not old Marines.
People deserve and have a right to whatever they are willing to work for, including access to health care.
And if others are not so fortunate as you to have been raised well, to H with them AND their children?
I saw a room-full of white Christians erupt last night at the THOUGHT of providing health care for ALL . Including children of illegal immigrants. My guess they would ALL tell ya they are Christians. Wowsa.
One Native Am. woman put them to shame with her gentle words about being born poor, and wanting to care for all those less fortunate.
Guess not old Marines.
Kay wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:31 AM:
Oldlthrneck wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:13 PM:
Amadeus, it's a good thing I copied and pasted. You clearly said there is no
God. Geeeez, you guys can't even remember your insults.
So what if he doesn't believe in Your Invisible Man Who Lives In The Clouds?
So what?
Amadeus, it's a good thing I copied and pasted. You clearly said there is no
God. Geeeez, you guys can't even remember your insults.
So what if he doesn't believe in Your Invisible Man Who Lives In The Clouds?
So what?
Oldlthrneck wrote on Aug 14, 2009 10:06 AM:
Not sure why you feel a need to yell, or drag your inadequate feelings towards religion into the discussion. I have never raised my voice or condemned you to hell for your opinions. As a matter of fact I have kept my spiritual beliefs to myself. I grow weary of your constant dismissal and condemnation of those that do not share your beliefs. Good bye Amadeus, I will leave you to listen to the beat of your own drum.
amadeus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 9:24 AM:
yada yada yada. It seems that the right always asssumes that if someone is liberal they have a sense of entitlement. I have worked hard all my life, never taken a dime of welfare but still am not so jaded that ASSUME OTHERS DON'T NEED HELP...AS A MATTER OF FACT i HAVE GIVEN MORE TO LOCAL CHARITIES THAN i CAN really afford. And not out of some false christaian guilt. I do not believe in that god. I believe that helping people is our responsibility. If we all helped each other, there would be so much less suffering. fault me for THAt!
amadeus wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:00 PM:
oh, don't flatter yourself...clearly if there is no god there is no hell and vice versa...sheesh. talk about splitting hairs.
Oldlthrneck wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:56 PM:
People deserve and have a right to whatever they are willing to work for, including access to health care. I have had 3 careers and have worked for everything I have ever had. I have never taken one single dime or benefit that I did not work for or sacrifice to earn. I have never had an entitlement attitude, have never believed that anyone owed me anything but the just rewards for my efforts. I was a raised by two hard working Democrats, and was a Democrat for many years, that instilled a strong work ethic into me. To quote a great American Patriot.
"I did not leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me"
Ronald Reagan.
"I did not leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me"
Ronald Reagan.
amadeus wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:15 PM:
and sadly, yes, I must admit that I believe all of us deserve food, shelter, health, safety, education, justice and the pursuit of peace and happiness as RIGHTS... IF WE ALL looked out for each other just imagine what a better place this earth would be...sigh ...therin lied the rub...you actually have to be capable of imagining. old leathernecks cannot think for themselves..sorry John Lennon. No imagining for them today.
Oldlthrneck wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:13 PM:
Amadeus, it's a good thing I copied and pasted. You clearly said there is no
God. Geeeez, you guys can't even remember your insults.
God. Geeeez, you guys can't even remember your insults.
amadeus wrote on Aug 13, 2009 2:39 PM:
but oldlthrneck, I clearly said there is no hell, so how could you burn in it...jeez...you guys never listen.
buttercup wrote on Aug 13, 2009 1:57 PM:
Just look at the VA system. No one would argue with me that the men and women that have sacrificed over seas deserve anything less then the best of health care. Yet, what do they get? If we can't trust the government to provide decent health care for those they honor, why do you think it would be any better for the 'average' american?
Just Me wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:51 AM:
Moonpenny, You neglected to say all that you had done, apologies are in order! It is too bad the system is such as it is. I have had the same dealings with the Childrens Services about abused kids, never did anything about the poor little guys!
m00npenny wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:56 PM:
I still think vouchers are the way to start. Let people choose their coverages and their insurance companies. Dont "tell" people what they are going to have shoved down their throats. I dont want socialized medicine, I dont want to pay for socialized medicine. I will make my decisions when I want to. I know this is going to sound strange, but let people sign up for socialized medicine. For those of us who dont want it, we shouldnt be forced to take it.
m00npenny wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:51 PM:
To Just Me:
How about online complaints at the states website. I have complained 3 times already. After that appeared to go no where, I made a telephone call to the Newmark Center, asked for someone who deals with Fraud, reported what I knew to be fact. Nothing has been done. They both still get their benefits. The phone call was 8 months ago. How many 1000's of dollars go wasted because these cows are allowed to graze. DO YOUR JOB!
How about online complaints at the states website. I have complained 3 times already. After that appeared to go no where, I made a telephone call to the Newmark Center, asked for someone who deals with Fraud, reported what I knew to be fact. Nothing has been done. They both still get their benefits. The phone call was 8 months ago. How many 1000's of dollars go wasted because these cows are allowed to graze. DO YOUR JOB!
Gary wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:09 PM:
Hey there Jethro, don't ya'll be surprised if'n ol Doc gives ya a fistful of painkillers an sends ya home.
Ya'll enjoy that that there root canal ya thoughts ya were gonna get.
Ya'll enjoy that that there root canal ya thoughts ya were gonna get.
Gary wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:03 PM:
Hey there Jethro, don't ya'll be surprised if'n Doc gives you a bottle of pain killers and sends ya home. Ya'll enjoy that there root canal ya thoughts ya were gonna get.....
Al wrote on Aug 12, 2009 2:06 PM:
In the words of Milton Friedman, "there is no such thing as a free lunch."
It would be great if such a thing existed, because then we could all have "FREE" healthcare! Unfortunately, the federal government if broke, as in no money. And they're talking about a healthcare program that will force them to print even more money.
Now, who - in their right mind - wants to defend this absolutely moronic push for votes just prior to an election year?
It would be great if such a thing existed, because then we could all have "FREE" healthcare! Unfortunately, the federal government if broke, as in no money. And they're talking about a healthcare program that will force them to print even more money.
Now, who - in their right mind - wants to defend this absolutely moronic push for votes just prior to an election year?
Just Me wrote on Aug 12, 2009 8:51 AM:
To Moonpenny: You are an enabler my dear, since you know for a fact that these 2 slimeball women are commiting fraud and taking OUR tax dollars and not needing them, why don't you turn them in? Problem solved right? In the same respect, you yourself are giving her no incentive to leave the welfare rolls either are you?
Jethro wrote on Aug 12, 2009 8:43 AM:
The same crowd screaming that health care reform is going to be the end of the world is the same crowd that led us all to the debacle that is Iraq and the same crowd that screamed that Obama is the anti-christ.
When is this crowd going to take their medications, and let the rest of us lead lives that are already complicated by the fact that everything we do means that some corporate hand is deep in our pocket.
Frankly, I'm looking forward to being able to immediately go see a dentist and get the root canal I need immediately rather than having to save up for it because my insurance company only pays a small share of it. I'd rather my taxes went to healing people who need it than killing some brown folk around the world and creating more terrorists.
When is this crowd going to take their medications, and let the rest of us lead lives that are already complicated by the fact that everything we do means that some corporate hand is deep in our pocket.
Frankly, I'm looking forward to being able to immediately go see a dentist and get the root canal I need immediately rather than having to save up for it because my insurance company only pays a small share of it. I'd rather my taxes went to healing people who need it than killing some brown folk around the world and creating more terrorists.
m00npenny wrote on Aug 11, 2009 11:06 PM:
To NoGod: You are blind. I know of at least 2 people who are abusing the system. Welfare queens both of them. 1 pays no rent, her sugar daddy owns the house, yet you give her benefits to help her pay her "rent", shes even gotten emergency rental assistance and has been on the "welfare system" for almost 2 years and counting. You give her no incentive to ever leave the welfare rolls. There is abuse, your such a bleeding heart, you turn a blind eye to the obvious.
Dragonman wrote on Aug 11, 2009 11:04 PM:
China`s not America. Why would you compare this country to China? What about China is like America? Writing in this paper is not one of them. Expressing you’re opinion about your government might be out of line there don’t you think? I suppose you’re in favor of the swastikas and depictions of Hitler when you speak of our American President? Do you have any families that were in WW2? I do. And they are American. They are also discussed with the disrespect of our Country, and our President. No matter what side you are on. We are talking about health care “again”. Obama did not create this discussion, people that are American did. Long ago. Respect them as you want respect. China!
Dragonman wrote on Aug 11, 2009 10:42 PM:
Are Republicans saying it's ok to out yell everything you don't like? I think I got my kid's to quit doing that before they were 4. Our future Democrats people! Just trying to do my part. I also taught them to not lie. My boys 11 and he knows there not going to kill grandma. Have you listened to yourselves.
al wrote on Aug 11, 2009 3:10 PM:
China's spending "billions" ($123B by 2011, to be precise) on healthcare?
Geez, that comes to....$94.62 per person per year!
A very nice PR move, but I really doubt those poor farmers in the Xinjiang region will be getting their gout fixed anytime soon.
Geez, that comes to....$94.62 per person per year!
A very nice PR move, but I really doubt those poor farmers in the Xinjiang region will be getting their gout fixed anytime soon.
John_Garry_Kelly wrote on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 PM:
Response to Really? Raising one's voice to support health care reform can be done by speaking out, unlike the hooligans who believe that shouting out is the only option.
Haven't these members of the G.O.P. (Grand Obstructionist Party) learned the maxim that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt?
Haven't these members of the G.O.P. (Grand Obstructionist Party) learned the maxim that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt?
Reedsport wrote on Aug 11, 2009 2:41 PM:
America has it's own idol, it's called "American Idol" so don't tell me there isn't a god!
Look how France is doing with it's Health Care-going bankrupt!
Look how France is doing with it's Health Care-going bankrupt!
Reedsport wrote on Aug 11, 2009 2:37 PM:
Obama loves Bill O'Rielly sooo much that his trolls stole the
"Reality Check" slogan from The Factor show!
"Reality Check" slogan from The Factor show!
George Soros wrote on Aug 11, 2009 12:21 PM:
Democrats pushed for new laws forcing health insurance plans to cover various items, require hospital stays after births, etc. Unsurprisingly, the AMA, fresh off opposing HillaryCare, supported such proposals, so there was a fair amount of bipartisan effort.
It’s sort of a reversal now; Democrats apparently will now be defending the government making exactly the sorts of decisions that they attacked private insurance doing!
It’s sort of a reversal now; Democrats apparently will now be defending the government making exactly the sorts of decisions that they attacked private insurance doing!
George Soros wrote on Aug 11, 2009 12:16 PM:
We need health care reform but please, let's not put it in the hands of the government. The government was in charge of Freddie and Fannie and look how well they they handled those institutions.
NoGod wrote on Aug 11, 2009 10:46 AM:
2 citizen.
I work in social services, it's nearly impossible to *abuse* any of these services due to lack of funding and such stringent rules now..
So once again, stop repeating what Rush told you..There is no such thing as a welfare queen or a foodstamp queen or whatever you want.. And how would Healthcare be "ABUSED"??? I mean what?? What kind of scenario came in your little pea brain that had health care and someone "abusing" it???
You get sick you go to a doctor you show them a card you go home.. That's what health care for all is about.. That's how it is in Canada( been there have relatives who live there) that's how it is in England etc...etc...etc..
Why you continue to help companies and politicians who don't care about you unless you make 200k a year is beyond me..
Oh and here's a funny story:
China is spending billions of dollars too and guess what? They will have universal health care before us!! We're #1!! er..#2? no wait..that's right we're #40 something!!!
I work in social services, it's nearly impossible to *abuse* any of these services due to lack of funding and such stringent rules now..
So once again, stop repeating what Rush told you..There is no such thing as a welfare queen or a foodstamp queen or whatever you want.. And how would Healthcare be "ABUSED"??? I mean what?? What kind of scenario came in your little pea brain that had health care and someone "abusing" it???
You get sick you go to a doctor you show them a card you go home.. That's what health care for all is about.. That's how it is in Canada( been there have relatives who live there) that's how it is in England etc...etc...etc..
Why you continue to help companies and politicians who don't care about you unless you make 200k a year is beyond me..
Oh and here's a funny story:
China is spending billions of dollars too and guess what? They will have universal health care before us!! We're #1!! er..#2? no wait..that's right we're #40 something!!!
Gary wrote on Aug 11, 2009 8:27 AM:
At least many of you have proved that there is such a thing as brainwashed dupes out there that actually believe the government is preaching the truth and have your best interest at the top of their list.
Nothing could be further from the truth they will destroy this nation and speak with forked tongue every time they open their mouth. Enjoy your wonderful new socialist state.
Nothing could be further from the truth they will destroy this nation and speak with forked tongue every time they open their mouth. Enjoy your wonderful new socialist state.
Worker Bee wrote on Aug 10, 2009 11:52 PM:
For all of you FOR the health care bill; Why don't you actually try reading it? Seriously, I am only about 400 pages into it, and it already sucks. I don't imagine it is going to get any better.
I agree, we need heath care reform. But this bill is not what we need to fix it. All this bill is going to do is expand government, and the control they have over our lives. They already take and waste too much of our hard earned money. Lets not give them more.
And a again, I don't watch Fox or Limbaugh. Just stating it again, since some people think that anyone against this plan is a republican.
I agree, we need heath care reform. But this bill is not what we need to fix it. All this bill is going to do is expand government, and the control they have over our lives. They already take and waste too much of our hard earned money. Lets not give them more.
And a again, I don't watch Fox or Limbaugh. Just stating it again, since some people think that anyone against this plan is a republican.
NoGod wrote on Aug 10, 2009 5:24 PM:
To all of the anti healthcare reform nuttters who make less than 200k a year and think that some scary dark skinned man is going to steal your health care..
Here is your REALITY CHECK
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
Here is your REALITY CHECK
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
Citizen wrote on Aug 10, 2009 4:29 PM:
I don't want the government running health care for us. Name something this big that the government did well on? Who thinks this will not result in a huge number of new government jobs? The overhead for this project will mushroom into something totally unlike what is being explained to us now. This is going to waste tax dollars like nothing has ever done before. If you think welfare, food stamps, and unemployment have been abused wait till you see what happens with health care. Repubilcans = spend the money now...Democrats = create a never ending program that money can be spent on for eternity and beyond.
NoGod wrote on Aug 10, 2009 4:22 PM:
To George Soros and the rest of the loons.
Why do you continue to lie and say that there will be health care rationing? Have you actually taken a look at the health plan with your own two eyes???
Quit lying it's bad for your health.
Why do you continue to lie and say that there will be health care rationing? Have you actually taken a look at the health plan with your own two eyes???
Quit lying it's bad for your health.
NB_Rez wrote on Aug 10, 2009 2:11 PM:
AL was right on the mark with his comment. Health care definitely needs reform, but the government's failure has been proven time and again in essentially every major program that it has implemented. Healthcare effects every single person in this country and in my opinion is far too important to allow them to screw it up even more. When the government can prove to me that they can run an efficient, uncorrupt, and successful program, then I might consider supporting this health care legislation.
geez wrote on Aug 10, 2009 1:24 PM:
Bravo Al! I agree with you 100%.
The whole entire system needs a major overhaul, starting with closing down the unFederal Reserve.
The whole entire system needs a major overhaul, starting with closing down the unFederal Reserve.
fairplay wrote on Aug 10, 2009 1:21 PM:
As human beings, and in life, how important is health?
Health is at the top of the list. If you health is depleted, then your life options are depleated. Presently, with our existing health care system, there are many of us that have lost their health insurance and/or can't afford to get it. Insurance and pharmaceutical companies have put money and profits, before people. If you pleased with this, I suppose your'e against health care reform and change. If not, then let's consider more, humanistic values and caring. I would rather have government involved with making my health care decisions, than Wall Street.
Health is at the top of the list. If you health is depleted, then your life options are depleated. Presently, with our existing health care system, there are many of us that have lost their health insurance and/or can't afford to get it. Insurance and pharmaceutical companies have put money and profits, before people. If you pleased with this, I suppose your'e against health care reform and change. If not, then let's consider more, humanistic values and caring. I would rather have government involved with making my health care decisions, than Wall Street.
George Soros wrote on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 AM:
Americans want a true reform bill, not health rationing and the eliminating of the current health care system.
Al wrote on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 AM:
I plan on attending every townhall meeting I can reach - and I'm a lifelong Independent who has watched this same government tank our economy with sub-prime lending schemes, bankrupt Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, failed at the War on Drugs and War on Poverty, Public Housing, Farm Subsidies, Bailouts, Port, etc., etc., etc. Who, in their right mind, actually believes this government has finally found something they can do RIGHT?? I'd rather go without healthcare than have that bunch of idiots in D.C. making decisions on my behalf.
Keen wrote on Aug 10, 2009 7:07 AM:
As always, Fox news has convinced the poor people of this country that something that could HELP them is really bad. And, something like killing a million Iraqis is a GOOD way to spend our tax dollars. What a frightening world we live in.
To all my GOP friends... unless you make over $200,000 a year, a republican vote is a vote AGAINST yourself. Turn off the TV and open your mind.
To all my GOP friends... unless you make over $200,000 a year, a republican vote is a vote AGAINST yourself. Turn off the TV and open your mind.
Tag Urit wrote on Aug 10, 2009 6:52 AM:
Now don't tell me that this isn't ORGANIZED! I just received an e-mail from Organizing America with Obama's name and logo all over it:
"According to our records, you live near Rep. Peter DeFazio's office in Coos Bay, OR.
We'll provide everything you need: the address, phone number, and open hours for the office, information about how the health care crisis affects your state for you to drop off (with the option of adding your personal story), and a step-by-step guide for your visit."
Thanks President Obama you and your administration are showing the ways of a true community organizer!
"According to our records, you live near Rep. Peter DeFazio's office in Coos Bay, OR.
We'll provide everything you need: the address, phone number, and open hours for the office, information about how the health care crisis affects your state for you to drop off (with the option of adding your personal story), and a step-by-step guide for your visit."
Thanks President Obama you and your administration are showing the ways of a true community organizer!
Oldlthrneck wrote on Aug 10, 2009 5:14 AM:
People don't realize that the government will not administer the health care plans. They will do the same thing they do with Tri-care and other "government" insurance. They hire a private insurance company to run the program. Sure wish I had a product that was made mandatory to own, by the government.
ginger wrote on Aug 8, 2009 10:44 PM:
first off: what ideas are the opponents of the PROPOSED healthcare reform package?
secondly: would you rather have a public or private beaurocrat making your health care decisions?
Thirdly: why is the healthcare (an oxymoron) industry so opposed to POTENTIAL changes to the current system?
secondly: would you rather have a public or private beaurocrat making your health care decisions?
Thirdly: why is the healthcare (an oxymoron) industry so opposed to POTENTIAL changes to the current system?
Mach wrote on Aug 8, 2009 9:34 PM:
The sad thing is I know what Mr. Kelly is talking about. A bunch of fear mongering nuts are not letting town hall meetings continue because they're too simple minded to allow people to discuss things. Gosh, I hope the commies get them.
People like these guys are the reason I hate freedom of speech. Cowards hiding behind 'freedom' when all they want is to take yours away.
People like these guys are the reason I hate freedom of speech. Cowards hiding behind 'freedom' when all they want is to take yours away.
fairplay wrote on Aug 8, 2009 12:48 PM:
It's obvious that our present healthcare system hasn't worked, and that the Insurance and Pharmaceutical Companies control the health care that we receive. I believe that the given amount of profits that insurance companyies have increased 400% in the past 10 years. I commend Obama's courage, or perhaps vulnerability in challenging these financial giants. It goes without saying, that they are not going to roll over and give up without a strong fight. Step back, and follow the money. Who benefits from what?? Don't let gulliblity mislead you.
NoGod wrote on Aug 8, 2009 11:08 AM:
To Really: Oh and I suppose Fox News and Drudge report are non biased gems of journalism that you get all your info from? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You do realize that all MSM is garbage and is nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece right? That goes for your beloved Fox News.. it also goes for NBC,MSNBC etc.. Try some Democracy Now! With Amy Goodman or The Young Turks, or Al Jazeera, or BBC .
Keep helping out Kaiser Permanente and Blue Cross Blue Shield..And the rest of those vulutures...Their CEO's enjoy making all of that money at the expense of us.
You do realize that all MSM is garbage and is nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece right? That goes for your beloved Fox News.. it also goes for NBC,MSNBC etc.. Try some Democracy Now! With Amy Goodman or The Young Turks, or Al Jazeera, or BBC .
Keep helping out Kaiser Permanente and Blue Cross Blue Shield..And the rest of those vulutures...Their CEO's enjoy making all of that money at the expense of us.
more left than you wrote on Aug 8, 2009 9:02 AM:
I am going to be there so I can laugh at these astroturfers screaming out against themselves...
Freedomworks? Lol, corporate monkeys, all of them.
First Senior Citizen I see wailing will get a petition they can sign to remove their name from any Medicare rolls...
I have no insurance, haven't been to a doctor in years.
Freedomworks? Lol, corporate monkeys, all of them.
First Senior Citizen I see wailing will get a petition they can sign to remove their name from any Medicare rolls...
I have no insurance, haven't been to a doctor in years.
oliver woods wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:23 AM:
Dear Mr. Kelly
You are indeed a product of the Democratic smear machine. You state "drug companies are spending about $1.4 million a day to sabatoge health care reform." From the AP 8/8/09:“The nation's drug makers stand ready to spend $150 million to help President Barack Obama overhaul health care this fall, according to numerous officials.
The White House and allies in Congress are well aware of the effort by Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a somewhat surprising political alliance, given the industry's recent history of siding with Republicans and the Democrats' disdain for special interests.
The campaign, now in its early stages, includes television advertising under PhRMA's own name and commercials aired in conjunction with the liberal group, Families USA.
Numerous people with knowledge of PhRMA's plans said it would likely reach $150 million and perhaps $200 million, saying they were not authorized to divulge details.
At the same time, drug makers are counting on the White House to block efforts by House Democrats to extract more than $80 billion from their industry in the legislation."
Part II in next post.
You are indeed a product of the Democratic smear machine. You state "drug companies are spending about $1.4 million a day to sabatoge health care reform." From the AP 8/8/09:“The nation's drug makers stand ready to spend $150 million to help President Barack Obama overhaul health care this fall, according to numerous officials.
The White House and allies in Congress are well aware of the effort by Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a somewhat surprising political alliance, given the industry's recent history of siding with Republicans and the Democrats' disdain for special interests.
The campaign, now in its early stages, includes television advertising under PhRMA's own name and commercials aired in conjunction with the liberal group, Families USA.
Numerous people with knowledge of PhRMA's plans said it would likely reach $150 million and perhaps $200 million, saying they were not authorized to divulge details.
At the same time, drug makers are counting on the White House to block efforts by House Democrats to extract more than $80 billion from their industry in the legislation."
Part II in next post.
Hiram1999 wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:11 AM:
I am a union official and not a republican. I totally oppose turning over 1/6 of the U.S. economy to the federal government. This health care scam will destroy America. We need to decide what type of country we want to live in, freedom or socialism. It's pretty simple.
MindTwisted wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:03 AM:
Here's what I don't understand:
Bush gives billions in tax breaks to the rich: the republicans don't say anything. Cheney runs up the Iraq war spending to record levels, the republicans don't say anything. Millitary spending in general flies through the roof: the republicans are silent. BushCo hands over billions of dollars to the banks and insurance companies: the republicans don't care. The Democrats try to give us all better health care: the republicans come unglued like little children before a nap.
Stop playing politics, stop interrupting town hall meetings, and start trying to contribute good ideas to further our nation's recovery out of the darkness that was the Bush administration. Disrupting town hall meetings prohibits true debate, and is anti-democratic. The religious-right are out of ideas, direction, and power so they've resorted to disruption; sounds very anti-American to me. They need to be stopped.
Bush gives billions in tax breaks to the rich: the republicans don't say anything. Cheney runs up the Iraq war spending to record levels, the republicans don't say anything. Millitary spending in general flies through the roof: the republicans are silent. BushCo hands over billions of dollars to the banks and insurance companies: the republicans don't care. The Democrats try to give us all better health care: the republicans come unglued like little children before a nap.
Stop playing politics, stop interrupting town hall meetings, and start trying to contribute good ideas to further our nation's recovery out of the darkness that was the Bush administration. Disrupting town hall meetings prohibits true debate, and is anti-democratic. The religious-right are out of ideas, direction, and power so they've resorted to disruption; sounds very anti-American to me. They need to be stopped.
Gary wrote on Aug 8, 2009 7:23 AM:
I just have to say this letter from Mr. Kelly ranks among the most ignorant I have read in "The World" to date. If this piece of garbage legislation goes through everyone will suffer. You think people are dying now just wait until Obama's Health plan (which he hasn't even read) is enacted. It's not about health, it's about control. How are they going to pay for it John?????
Tag Urit wrote on Aug 8, 2009 6:28 AM:
Demean us, Belittle us, Label us, Our voices will only grow stronger. The strenghth is in the numbers.
This is still a Government...OF THE PEOPLE...BY THE PEOPLE...FOR THE PEOPLE
Go- ask DeFazio where is Tort Reform???
This is still a Government...OF THE PEOPLE...BY THE PEOPLE...FOR THE PEOPLE
Go- ask DeFazio where is Tort Reform???
Jack B. Thug wrote on Aug 8, 2009 12:47 AM:
So if I disagree with Obama on taxes or healthcare I'm part of the fringe? If I go to speak my mind about health care with Defazio I am being controlled by Republicans. Gee, it's nice to know I still have freedom of speech. I just wonder how long it will last if I disagree with Obamaphiles.
North Bend Guy wrote on Aug 8, 2009 12:32 AM:
If any goes to a town meeting to shout down the speaker or just someones postion on a topic they should not be allowed in there anyway. Any one shouting or interrupting should just be removed. If the Republicans or anyone else can't debate the issues like citizens then they need to leave or shut up. Democracy is supposed to be based on ideas not intimidation or distraction. I suggest that all of the questions be submitted in writing before the meeting complied into categores and responded in a random order. Let's not allow anyone from any party to use fear or threats to stop discussion.
johngarrykelly wrote on Aug 8, 2009 12:22 AM:
Sorry kikilongbean, but the fact is that most Americans want a government run health plan. You have to remember that the Cheney/Bush folks are no longer the government.5hBjh
NoGod wrote on Aug 7, 2009 11:10 PM:
Kiki, if the GOP isn't helping push reform into the toilet then why are the same Think Tank's that brought you the teabaggers bringing this?? Which ones you ask.. Oh well the Heritage Foundation and Dick Armey's Freedom works..(Who are pushing near riots at town halls thanks to their leaked memo on how to intimidate reps)Yes the same guys who helped lobby for Oil companies,Pharmaceutical companies etc are now helping push the sheep aka YOU into thinking that health care for all is bad.. yes it's bad for the health care companies who make billions a year.. not bad for the millions who die due to lack of coverage.
Really? wrote on Aug 7, 2009 10:20 PM:
Mr. Kelly,
Let me get this straight... You say, "be aware that members of the lunatic fringe may try to disrupt the meeting." and then in your next paragraph you say, "Attend Mr. DeFazio’s meeting to raise your voice for affordable, universal health care reform with a public option." In my opinion raising your voice would disrupt the meeting. I suggest that you get informed by listening to some different media outlets and stop drinking MSNBC/CNN/NBC's Koolaid. Note: I DIDN'T HAVE TO RAISE MY VOICE ONCE...
Let me get this straight... You say, "be aware that members of the lunatic fringe may try to disrupt the meeting." and then in your next paragraph you say, "Attend Mr. DeFazio’s meeting to raise your voice for affordable, universal health care reform with a public option." In my opinion raising your voice would disrupt the meeting. I suggest that you get informed by listening to some different media outlets and stop drinking MSNBC/CNN/NBC's Koolaid. Note: I DIDN'T HAVE TO RAISE MY VOICE ONCE...
Dragonman wrote on Aug 7, 2009 8:34 PM:
John Garry Kelly;
You tried, but there are all ready lunatics in the discussion. I want health care. Government or otherwise.
kikilongbean, are you from the fringe? I do believe you are who he's talking about...Just saying.I bet you have insurance don't you? Go to the Doc when you need, get your meds. I just pray nothing serious health wise happens to my wife, children, or me. We like eating and having a home.
You tried, but there are all ready lunatics in the discussion. I want health care. Government or otherwise.
kikilongbean, are you from the fringe? I do believe you are who he's talking about...Just saying.I bet you have insurance don't you? Go to the Doc when you need, get your meds. I just pray nothing serious health wise happens to my wife, children, or me. We like eating and having a home.
just saying wrote on Aug 7, 2009 2:54 PM:
KIKILONGBEAN -
To quote you: "The people attending these meetings and I don't care if they are Republican or Democrat, do not want to participate in a government run health plan."
What you are you essentially saying is that both Republicans and Democrats are showing up at these meetings advocating for the dismantling of the Veterans Administration and Medicare. Really?
To quote you: "The people attending these meetings and I don't care if they are Republican or Democrat, do not want to participate in a government run health plan."
What you are you essentially saying is that both Republicans and Democrats are showing up at these meetings advocating for the dismantling of the Veterans Administration and Medicare. Really?
The Brutal Truth wrote on Aug 7, 2009 1:37 PM:
The REPUBLICANS are the ones being bought by the health care industry?
HAH!
Just WHO do you think is pressuring the democrats to push through the current health care reform plan?
Do you think it could possibly be lobbyists, working on behalf of the health care industry, whom are most likely frothing at the mouth over the prospect of the millions of uninsured Amercians that will (either by way of government mandate or government subsidy) be purchasing health insurance if the current plan goes through?
HAH!
Just WHO do you think is pressuring the democrats to push through the current health care reform plan?
Do you think it could possibly be lobbyists, working on behalf of the health care industry, whom are most likely frothing at the mouth over the prospect of the millions of uninsured Amercians that will (either by way of government mandate or government subsidy) be purchasing health insurance if the current plan goes through?
Kay wrote on Aug 7, 2009 1:10 PM:
So Kiki, where's the rumor?
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rick-sanchez-takes-conservatives-patients
THIS man is running the underinformed movement. And the poor, once again, go against their own best interest, so THIS man can make even more.
Shame on all of you.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rick-sanchez-takes-conservatives-patients
THIS man is running the underinformed movement. And the poor, once again, go against their own best interest, so THIS man can make even more.
Shame on all of you.
kikilongbean wrote on Aug 7, 2009 12:11 PM:
How dare you spread such rumors. The people attending these meetings and I don't care if they are Republican or Democrat, do not want to participate in a government run health plan. Thank God we have people willing to stand up and speak out for what they believe.
Mr. John Garry Kelly, you are a rumor monger.
Mr. John Garry Kelly, you are a rumor monger.
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