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Jeepin wrote on Jul 24, 2009 5:54 PM:
Oh maybe we should blockade the entrance to the firestation until they decide to hire a local company. Oh wait Bliss county people only want to do that to indian property's...
dan milburn wrote on Jul 24, 2009 9:53 AM:
What great therapy it is to participate in this snail paced chatroom. Thank you WORLD for inviting me. True, out of town people may spend a dollar here but at what cost? They drink your water, breathe your air, poop in your toilets and drive on your roads too! For every dollar spent there are a million greedy hands trying to get it back. Money "IS"
everything - until you run out oxygen!
everything - until you run out oxygen!
rickey92 wrote on Jul 24, 2009 9:46 AM:
the reason for having to take low bid is oregon prevailing wage laws and bacon davis these workers will be making $32+/ hr and atleast $12.22/hr to work on these type of jobs we as people need to stand up and make our voices heard quit watsing our tax dollar by making the contractors pay the high wages. BOLI say they take the average rate for the area i would like to know who pays this type of wages in coos county for commercial construction
we need to over turn oregonprevailing wage and the federal bacon davis act. By the way where are the weatherization stimulus dollor for low income family at call your senetors and reps and ask
we need to over turn oregonprevailing wage and the federal bacon davis act. By the way where are the weatherization stimulus dollor for low income family at call your senetors and reps and ask
Pig Nuts wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:15 PM:
Moronisms...No contractors from out of town can have Coos dollars. So be it, then use your Coos dollars to buy only locally grown food (that should drop some desperately needed pounds off many of you)Coos dollars only for locally produced fuel, Steal, auto parts, liquor, Cigs... Go be independent, you want protectionism on a local level then put up or shut up! Like I said, Moronisms! You have to wonder if that tooth rot traveled into the cranium. I say ear exams for all, the puss has to be leaking somewhere. Then treat it with some locally produced antibiotics.
nb girl wrote on Jul 21, 2009 2:28 PM:
"Judging by the subcontractor disclosure form and conversations he's had with TEAM, Slack said there could be as many as six local subcontractors working on the project."
Kay wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:33 AM:
Action Jackson wrote on Jul 20, 2009 6:00 PM:
SHAZAM!! You hit me where it hurts Amadeus. I am in the 5th grade and I still have more sense than you and KAY put together. Why does everyone in Oregon think they deserve some thing? You earn it people. The law is as it is for this exact reason. We give Billy Bob Redneck the contract because he is from Oregon and even though his bid is higher, He is from Oregon.NOT!! There was alot of companies from Oregon who bid on this job. Why wouldn't the City go with the lowest bidder? If the Vancouver Company can do it for less cost and they are not local who's fault is that? I have an idea, maybe instead of bidding high, go lower.
Wow Al,the truth gittin under your skin?
What exactly do you NOT get about the taxpayers of this county paying for out of state contractors getting to come down here and take jobs from the very people paying their wages?
Can't make it any clearer for ya sweetie, maybe that 5th grade needs to be repeated?
SHAZAM!! You hit me where it hurts Amadeus. I am in the 5th grade and I still have more sense than you and KAY put together. Why does everyone in Oregon think they deserve some thing? You earn it people. The law is as it is for this exact reason. We give Billy Bob Redneck the contract because he is from Oregon and even though his bid is higher, He is from Oregon.NOT!! There was alot of companies from Oregon who bid on this job. Why wouldn't the City go with the lowest bidder? If the Vancouver Company can do it for less cost and they are not local who's fault is that? I have an idea, maybe instead of bidding high, go lower.
Wow Al,the truth gittin under your skin?
What exactly do you NOT get about the taxpayers of this county paying for out of state contractors getting to come down here and take jobs from the very people paying their wages?
Can't make it any clearer for ya sweetie, maybe that 5th grade needs to be repeated?
reallyreally wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:51 AM:
Okay, Okay!
These workers will have to stay at our local hotels, eat at our local restaraunts and shop at our local stores for there building supplies they don't bring. It would be better if a local company got the bid, but atleast it will bring some outside money to our community.
These workers will have to stay at our local hotels, eat at our local restaraunts and shop at our local stores for there building supplies they don't bring. It would be better if a local company got the bid, but atleast it will bring some outside money to our community.
Rebecca1 wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:48 PM:
It seems to me that we could just use to men & women's bathrooms that are already at the visitors center & take that money to pay our local workers to do a good job here. The difference in the bids weren't all that big & the locals will care more, partly because they will still be here to take the responsibility of their actions. Impeach or something!!!!!!
Rebecca1 wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:43 PM:
I'm just wondering if all of those imported workers will survive the honest wrath & anger of local workers out of work & their family & friends, revenge may just be served cold you know.
Action Jackson wrote on Jul 20, 2009 6:00 PM:
SHAZAM!! You hit me where it hurts Amadeus. I am in the 5th grade and I still have more sense than you and KAY put together. Why does everyone in Oregon think they deserve some thing? You earn it people. The law is as it is for this exact reason. We give Billy Bob Redneck the contract because he is from Oregon and even though his bid is higher, He is from Oregon.NOT!! There was alot of companies from Oregon who bid on this job. Why wouldn't the City go with the lowest bidder? If the Vancouver Company can do it for less cost and they are not local who's fault is that? I have an idea, maybe instead of bidding high, go lower. In the long run you might get the job. Simple as ABC's and 123's, I know that because I am in the 5th grade.. NOT!
al wrote on Jul 20, 2009 4:10 PM:
How about adjusting the law so that the lowest bidder from the state of Oregon gets the work? Time to start looking out for ourselves, because everyone in D.C. and Salem are spending all their time raising taxes to preserve their own, cushy lifestyle.
amadeus wrote on Jul 20, 2009 10:10 AM:
sorry action figure jackson, I have to side with Kay (:))... this community does NOT need anymore outsourcing. that 3.8 mill would have been nicely assimilated into our local economy.... what ever happened to taking care of our own? and how old are you you anyway (mentallly and emotionally) "NOT" is for fourth graders.
Local Lady wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:46 AM:
And once again our local companies get shafted. Do you think that maybe the city could have got over their tightwad attitudes enough to pay a little more to put our locals to work? Way to go City of Coos Bay, you've once again screwed us over.
Coquillian wrote on Jul 19, 2009 5:17 PM:
My bad, the company is out of Vancouver, WA. But again, what is "local". It wasn't like it was a big company from the East Coast. And many companies go to Washington due to the fact that they have no state income tax.
Coquillian wrote on Jul 19, 2009 5:16 PM:
Kay, you need to read. The Board is following LAW. Not their own whim. And, who defines local? They are an Oregon company. What if a company in Coos County cost $100k more? Then people would gripe and say the commissioners were wasting their money.
Pig Nuts wrote on Jul 19, 2009 4:52 PM:
This whining about local companies having to compete with out of town or out of state companies is asinine, belligerent & backward. We live in the USA, we are to be a capitalistic system. Every company in Coos County who was licensed, insured & could post a performance bond had the opportunity to hang up a number. You should be asking why local companies are so greedy in their bidding. They do not have the expense of working out of town. They can do the same job for less money but they chose to take the risk & attempt to squeeze every dime out of the bid. A good businessman always leaves money on the table, the greedy ones find themselves fluctuating through feast & famine.
Mr E wrote on Jul 19, 2009 4:23 PM:
In Oregon, almost all "public" contracts have no "best qualification" requirement. As long as you can do the work, and you put in the low bid, you're getting the contract.
Like many other areas, Oregon is behind the times on construction bidding. Yes, corruption may be more of a problem in some other states with more broad-reaching bidding requirements, but without the corruption, you often see fewer problems with shoddy contractors.
By the way, there are VERY few local subcontractors I'd trust, if I were to construct a new fire station. I'm sorry, but this area probably has five crooked "licensed and bonded" contracting company for every legitimate, hard-working, well-run contractor.
Like many other areas, Oregon is behind the times on construction bidding. Yes, corruption may be more of a problem in some other states with more broad-reaching bidding requirements, but without the corruption, you often see fewer problems with shoddy contractors.
By the way, there are VERY few local subcontractors I'd trust, if I were to construct a new fire station. I'm sorry, but this area probably has five crooked "licensed and bonded" contracting company for every legitimate, hard-working, well-run contractor.
Kay wrote on Jul 19, 2009 12:25 PM:
Thank you Dan Milburn, I appreciate your thoughtful response. Why do they continue to outsource our local jobs?
Action?
I'm happy to continue speaking the truth without rose colored glasses,why does the truth upset you so?
Action?
I'm happy to continue speaking the truth without rose colored glasses,why does the truth upset you so?
dan milburn wrote on Jul 19, 2009 10:41 AM:
I have been involved in lots of government bidding, most notably as executive director of the Coquille Indian Housing Authority's 8.5
million project. The term in bidding is "lowest acceptable" bid. There is no bid that you can't make work if you have a mind to.
million project. The term in bidding is "lowest acceptable" bid. There is no bid that you can't make work if you have a mind to.
Action Jackson wrote on Jul 19, 2009 9:39 AM:
Oh Please Kay, you mean you don't have the answer for this yourself? I thought you knew everything. From the sounds of your blogs your the only one with common sense. Have you not heard of "bidding laws"? They are in place for people like you. Because you would give the job to your brother because he was your "brother" he may not be qualified and could cost alot more but he was YOUR brother.. Think about it. Process it and please continue to WOW us with your wisdom. NOT!!!!!
CBRezident wrote on Jul 19, 2009 8:35 AM:
Outsourcing jobs is what is killing our local economy.There has to be a way of doing this bidding process to where locals are given preference as long as they are within the parameters of the proposed budget.Cheapest isnt always the best and our local builders have pretty darn good reputations and then the local subcontractors would definately not "May" have the jobs.This is wrong on so many levels especially since our unemployment rate is off the charts.
Kay wrote on Jul 18, 2009 12:27 PM:
MAY?
Was it established LAW that you were REQUIRED to take the low bidder?
Why can't any of you commissions insert language requiring work goes to local companies?
The County Commis. do the same darn thing.
Someone please answer whether there could have been an option to at least START giving contracts to local business.
Stufflebeans dealings are consistantly given to outsiders. Check out his profound decision to haul all the road equipment to Eugene for sale. How'd that one work Kevin?
Was it established LAW that you were REQUIRED to take the low bidder?
Why can't any of you commissions insert language requiring work goes to local companies?
The County Commis. do the same darn thing.
Someone please answer whether there could have been an option to at least START giving contracts to local business.
Stufflebeans dealings are consistantly given to outsiders. Check out his profound decision to haul all the road equipment to Eugene for sale. How'd that one work Kevin?
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