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Dragonman wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:51 PM:
Why are there so many NBPD and CBPD haters in this area? That’s all good until you need them, then 911! Shut up haters. Maybe you should have stopped at the cross walk! Maybe you need to slow down! If we think drinking is what people need to do because they are bored and have no idea how to do anything else, we need to rethink things. Getting drunk and acting stupid, YEE HA good times. WOW!
Mach wrote on Jul 15, 2009 7:17 PM:
Hey, uh, guys.
As someone who grew up in a town full of bars, lemme let you in on a little secret, 'cause I'm so nice.
Yes, it is the fault of the bar if the patrons are killing each other. Just like it's the fault of the bar for serving minors. You wouldn't go 'OMG itz not teh barz fault' if a fifteen year old dies of alcohol poisoning on the sidewalk outside the bar, would you?
Perhaps, just perhaps, the coppers actually want to preserve life by not having to wheel someone's wife or husband off after they patrons at Mak's got a little too rowdy.
86 calls in less than a year is a lot. That's something like 1.4 a week. Combine that with serving alcohol to minors and an owner assaulting a patron? Please, this place deserves nothing.
As someone who grew up in a town full of bars, lemme let you in on a little secret, 'cause I'm so nice.
Yes, it is the fault of the bar if the patrons are killing each other. Just like it's the fault of the bar for serving minors. You wouldn't go 'OMG itz not teh barz fault' if a fifteen year old dies of alcohol poisoning on the sidewalk outside the bar, would you?
Perhaps, just perhaps, the coppers actually want to preserve life by not having to wheel someone's wife or husband off after they patrons at Mak's got a little too rowdy.
86 calls in less than a year is a lot. That's something like 1.4 a week. Combine that with serving alcohol to minors and an owner assaulting a patron? Please, this place deserves nothing.
orecoast007 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 6:42 PM:
Every other bar can control their patrons, so why can't Max's.. SHUT THEM DOWN!!!!
PNW wrote on Jul 15, 2009 3:38 PM:
It's past time for some law changes so that police can't close anything unless it really is a serious problem... this stuff is just junk... like the police are supposed to be patrolling and hello... what else are they doing in the middle of the night... eating donuts?
Just An Observer wrote on Jul 15, 2009 1:12 PM:
Compared to Gussie's in the 1980's and 1990's, Mak's is tame. Less than 2 calls a week. Gussie's was good for multiple calls and cars being pulled over every night. Gussie even got part of his ear bit off by a drunk while trying to settle things down. That place had bouncers everywhere and let's face it, loud music, alcohol, women being asked to dance when a jealous boyfriend is around, incidental bumps escalating and so on go with fights at bars.
I say the cops should do their job, the DA should do his and the taxpayer whining should end and taxpayers had better step up to the plate to pay for jail space and also by electing officials who will focus on jail space and sentencing/fining the misbehaving heavily enough that they get the message.
I say the cops should do their job, the DA should do his and the taxpayer whining should end and taxpayers had better step up to the plate to pay for jail space and also by electing officials who will focus on jail space and sentencing/fining the misbehaving heavily enough that they get the message.
Eastsider wrote on Jul 14, 2009 2:07 PM:
If the owners of the bar were behaving in a responsible manner, they would refuse entry and service to anyone who had previously wound-up being the subject of a police call.
COQUILLIAN wrote on Jul 14, 2009 8:26 AM:
If you think that the city of Coos Bay can make some revenue from fining the miscreants, think again. A very small portion of the actual fine goes to the city. The majority goes to the State courts. And you bet it is the police departments job to handle calls, but that doesn't mean that we should let any business have free run in creating problems. And as for comparing a bar to a grocery store, c'mon. Groceries are necessary, alcohol IS NOT.
Local Lady wrote on Jul 13, 2009 11:48 AM:
What I don't get is how the city councils haven't figured it out by now that closing down a business because the police are actually made to do their jobs more times than they would like only moves the trouble to another location. IT DOES NOT GET RID OF IT!!! I thought closing the Underground would have got it through their thick skulls but apparently not. Renew the license, and lets get back to business.
COQUILLIAN wrote on Jul 12, 2009 9:02 PM:
Kay, the North Bend police go there and walk through, etc. I know that they are not at the Mill for fights, etc all the time like Mak's. North Bend police officers also go on all medicals within their city, so maybe that is why you think they are there for problems. If Mill Security finds a wanted person in there, they call police. Read the North Bend police log, you will find out that the Casino does a REAL good job of policing their own.
tv's frank wrote on Jul 12, 2009 8:04 PM:
" Yea so people drink too much get all rowdy but is that the owners fault? Espically if it happens outside the club? So if they take the license away from Mak's all their clients will just go to backstreet and raise cane there and then CBPD will have to go there."
actually, IT IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY!!!!especially if it happens within one city block of the establishment!
over serving is preventable, as is having rowdy customers.
actually, IT IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY!!!!especially if it happens within one city block of the establishment!
over serving is preventable, as is having rowdy customers.
dan milburn wrote on Jul 12, 2009 5:41 PM:
The article is about Mak's place and the fact that city officials are considering not re-newing their license to serve alcohol because of concerns for public safety. If you have input, then go to the meeting and speak up. What are you afraid of - tear gas, clubs and beatings? It isn't about the Mill or the Backstreet Saloon. Maybe YOU have a solution! Won't know till you speak up. Please note: I was in a bar once that when you arrived you had to purchase chips to trade for drinks. When you ran out of chips - you were done being served. Ideas?
Kay wrote on Jul 11, 2009 12:13 PM:
TruthTeller wrote on Jul 10, 2009 3:56 PM:
To Coquillian, wrong, the NBPD are there all the time.
Huh uh, the Mill IS NOT, I repeat, the MILL IS NOT, in a cross walk.
To Coquillian, wrong, the NBPD are there all the time.
Huh uh, the Mill IS NOT, I repeat, the MILL IS NOT, in a cross walk.
Kay wrote on Jul 11, 2009 10:33 AM:
July 11, the World:
Five police calls to McKays' Market today. How many this last year? Do I have to be the first to call for the immediate closing of all grocery stores in Coos County?
Our police should be asked nothing more than to keep our CROSSWALKS SAFE.
Get your arses out on a beat copper, it works, sitting and lurking somewhere does nothing to keep crime down. Unless we put a donut shop INSIDE the cross walks. Hey, that's an idea, where's that $25,000.00 SCDC just got from the city, I've got a GREAT idea!
Oh, my name's not Messerle, nevermind.
Five police calls to McKays' Market today. How many this last year? Do I have to be the first to call for the immediate closing of all grocery stores in Coos County?
Our police should be asked nothing more than to keep our CROSSWALKS SAFE.
Get your arses out on a beat copper, it works, sitting and lurking somewhere does nothing to keep crime down. Unless we put a donut shop INSIDE the cross walks. Hey, that's an idea, where's that $25,000.00 SCDC just got from the city, I've got a GREAT idea!
Oh, my name's not Messerle, nevermind.
local35 wrote on Jul 11, 2009 9:42 AM:
I agree there aren't many places for young people to go in this town but Mak's is not the place to be. It's gross and dirty inside, people are roaming all over the place. The times I've been there the outside stairs were cluttered with people passed out and fights going on. There is security but they seemed to busy flirting with the underage kids there and not really paying attention to what was really going on. It's an old run down building that is a fire hazzard and if it hasn't already happened, someday real soons omeone is going to get hurt there. There are always cops sitting outside just waiting for the next fight to break out or for someone who thinks they are sober enough to drive leave the parking lot. I was born and raised here so I know what it's like to not have a place to go to hang out with friends and have a few drinks but Mak's is not the place!!
kccountrygrl wrote on Jul 10, 2009 7:03 PM:
There are very few places in this area where you can go and enjoy having a few drinks and dance with your friends. I have been to Mak's several times (not on a regular bases) but I haven't seen any CBPD there. I have actually witnessed the owner paying for cabs for intoxicated people. Yea so people drink too much get all rowdy but is that the owners fault? Espically if it happens outside the club? So if they take the license away from Mak's all their clients will just go to backstreet and raise cane there and then CBPD will have to go there.
Dragonman wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:04 PM:
The Mill has security, Not a PD. Get rid of the place, and a few more like it. If owners and employees can not maintain how much they serve people, and who they serve. (It is the law) then see ya! It just cost our City, County, People more and more.
COQUILLIAN wrote on Jul 10, 2009 11:54 AM:
And what you are all forgetting about hte Mill Casino is that they have their own police. And 911 calls, with the exception of medicals are rare. They also have good security and MANY security cameras. Miscreants are escorted out immediately, and they are very cautious and don't over serve.
dan milburn wrote on Jul 10, 2009 11:33 AM:
HELP WANTED
Roadhouse bouncers needed. Apply at Mac's. Must be able to convince drunks to play well with others.
Roadhouse bouncers needed. Apply at Mac's. Must be able to convince drunks to play well with others.
Mary Juana wrote on Jul 9, 2009 10:30 PM:
An average of 1.65 calls per week. Hmmmmm, let's see....they only have the dance club music and crowd two days a week..Friday and Saturday nights. That's averages out to 1.65 calls in 2.0 days. Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday they have karaoke they do not have the big crowds or the problems they have on the weekends. So 1.65 calls is alot for 2.0 nights. I don't know that closing down the bar is going to stop the problem, but something has to be done.
Coquillian wrote on Jul 9, 2009 8:36 PM:
I am not against having a "good time." But be responsible. And the FACT is most drunks aren't. That is why the bar is supposed to cut them off, watch what is going on, you know those little things that could save some dim bulbs life. But, then again, why save them? Oh, thats right, because drunks run over and kill other people, not just other drunks.
js wrote on Jul 9, 2009 4:58 PM:
Well since the Mill isn't paying their taxes maybe the police should just quit going there to the calls!
tv's frank wrote on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 PM:
what really appalls me is all the posters who are whining that the cops are picking on "poor" Mak's place.86 incidentss reported in a year?!that's beyond acceptable.how many incidents occurred that were not reported, huh? bet there were a lot more than 86. their security is rather shoddy if the cops had to show up. underage drinking? I guarantee it's still happening there.
there are busier bars in Portland and Eugene that haven't even had close to 86 incidents since they've been in business!
how many times have the cops been to Mak's since it opened, huh Tejun?
Mak's should've been closed down last year from all the crap that has gone down there, yet they still try and play the pity party.
there are busier bars in Portland and Eugene that haven't even had close to 86 incidents since they've been in business!
how many times have the cops been to Mak's since it opened, huh Tejun?
Mak's should've been closed down last year from all the crap that has gone down there, yet they still try and play the pity party.
TruthTeller wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:49 AM:
Boy I'd like to see them try and shut down the Casino. The cops are always there too. But that goes back to that soveriegn nation thing. Maybe the owner should find out if he's an Indian or if his land is special.
thetejun wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:48 AM:
Action Jackson: Did I work at every other dance club that has been shut down in the past five years? Uh no. And I guarantee, the next bar that will go will whatever bar the crowd moves to, whether i work there or not.
MoonPenny: We have been fighting this fight since we opened. Sorry we missed one meeting.
some numbers for you- 200people fri and sat 400 a week pass through those doors. 400x52weeks a year.. 20,800 patrons. 86 citations is exactly
0.413461percent. If you took into account we are open six days a week, this percent would be even lower.
MoonPenny: We have been fighting this fight since we opened. Sorry we missed one meeting.
some numbers for you- 200people fri and sat 400 a week pass through those doors. 400x52weeks a year.. 20,800 patrons. 86 citations is exactly
0.413461percent. If you took into account we are open six days a week, this percent would be even lower.
missyt wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:41 AM:
Here we go again! It seems one bar will be the "place to go" at any given time in this area. If you want to dance, hang out, see your friends, you know that you will usually find them at Mak's. If you go to other bar's in the area you will find the volume of people much lower. More people, unfortunately more problems. I know Mak's if VERY security concious. In the past I have seen bars shut down due to problems and complaints and it is most always the "place to be" at the time. If the license is revoked, the problem will just change locations.....again. Let's not penalize them for being popular.
club39 wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:40 AM:
After 39 years in the nightclub business, I can honestly say, this club should be restricted, and or shut down. The owners are at fault for not standing at the door, behind the bar, in the bathrooms, in the parking lot, anywhere there is a customer. This is their house should be respected by all that enter by.
Take control and be responsible. Maks gives the rest of us decent, hardworking, law abiding bar owners a bad name. Clean it up, and respect the business of running a night club, or go back to playing with your dolls.
club39
Take control and be responsible. Maks gives the rest of us decent, hardworking, law abiding bar owners a bad name. Clean it up, and respect the business of running a night club, or go back to playing with your dolls.
club39
Cneak wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:13 AM:
Yeah Coquillian i agree. I am old and unhappy too. i Hate seeing all these young kids having fun and spending money in the community. I have to go now, its time for murder she wrote.
AnOldDude wrote on Jul 9, 2009 6:07 AM:
More Babysitting please , i need a safety belt on my bar stool
Bet the bar owners pay their taxes
Bet the bar owners pay their taxes
Coquillian wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:07 PM:
You betcha, if the bars over-serve and the cops have to "babysit" their patrons, close them down. Maybe the rest of the bars will think twice. Alcohol is not a necessity, and it is not like you can't get it somewhere else. Too bad the partying crowd doesn't just police their own. There are probably 100 bars in Coos County, and none are having the police there as much. And if the economy is so "bad" then where is all your drinking money coming from? I can tell by the comments that my grandpa was right, "You can't reason with a drunk."
Action Jackson wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:44 PM:
To: Tejun Fowler
You are the Bartender? What training do you have in this field? If any you would be able to understand you are the problem. Over serving some one is the problem, not OLCC or the CB Police or the Politicians. YOU ARE. You are evidentally all out for the all mighty buck and forget the lives of those of us on the streets after you have over served your patrons and they are too drunk to know right from wrong. Maybe you should take this time off and let it be a learning experience and go back to Bartending school and learn how to identify a drunk?
You are the Bartender? What training do you have in this field? If any you would be able to understand you are the problem. Over serving some one is the problem, not OLCC or the CB Police or the Politicians. YOU ARE. You are evidentally all out for the all mighty buck and forget the lives of those of us on the streets after you have over served your patrons and they are too drunk to know right from wrong. Maybe you should take this time off and let it be a learning experience and go back to Bartending school and learn how to identify a drunk?
PNW wrote on Jul 8, 2009 6:54 PM:
OBWAIN.... Yeah, lets not let anyone drive if they are over the age of 21, because they might drink. Lets face it the police have nothing else to do.. they sit a lurk about waiting for the first drunk. We should all were Scarlet L's on our heads... when do people become responsible for their own actions?
I am without a doubt positive that this will never see the light of day. Just like my other commment... so go right ahead and don't post it.
I am without a doubt positive that this will never see the light of day. Just like my other commment... so go right ahead and don't post it.
m00npenny wrote on Jul 8, 2009 6:46 PM:
TheTejun:
Why have you or the owners not appeared at the city council meetings? Point blank, the city council will remove your license if you are not there to argue why it should not be denied. Standing silent is not going to win your fight. I agree that its other ppl who are already drunk and being cut off at Mak's that are making these problems. On the other hand, what the city makes in fines and fees from these arrests, they should be happy to have some additional revenue!! Besides, CBPD, this is your JOB. DO IT.
Why have you or the owners not appeared at the city council meetings? Point blank, the city council will remove your license if you are not there to argue why it should not be denied. Standing silent is not going to win your fight. I agree that its other ppl who are already drunk and being cut off at Mak's that are making these problems. On the other hand, what the city makes in fines and fees from these arrests, they should be happy to have some additional revenue!! Besides, CBPD, this is your JOB. DO IT.
PNW wrote on Jul 8, 2009 5:51 PM:
You are kidding... that's less than 3 calls per month.. there are bars elsewhere in Oregon WAY worse than that and still open with nobody trying to close them down. Give me a break... Down with City Of Coos Bay and Down with OLCC... this is all CRAP
Worker Bee wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 PM:
I've been to Maks, and 9 times out of 10 there are no problems inside the bar. And in that one instance of trouble, their security is on it.
The Coos Bay PD are just being a bunch of whiners. Oh no, i have to respond to a call 2 blocks from the station. Woe is me. Just like Obiwan staid, averaging less than 2 calls per week is not bad, especially since they do more business than any other bar in the area. And if you close this one down, some other bar is just going to become the hot spot. They are just moving the problem around. The fix is to throw the book at the offending DRUNKS.
The Coos Bay PD are just being a bunch of whiners. Oh no, i have to respond to a call 2 blocks from the station. Woe is me. Just like Obiwan staid, averaging less than 2 calls per week is not bad, especially since they do more business than any other bar in the area. And if you close this one down, some other bar is just going to become the hot spot. They are just moving the problem around. The fix is to throw the book at the offending DRUNKS.
metoo! wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:44 PM:
If the trouble really is from drunks outside the bar, then it's the cities responsibility to keep the streets clean. It doesn't seem that closing a bar will clean the streets. And a little over one call a week to police??? really ??? that's hardly anything to make a fuss about. There is only one place in town with such a dance floor. But I don't go to Mak's....I used to but the crowd is too much for me. They are boisterous and loud. But not bad enough to shut it down.
TheTejun wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:29 PM:
If you take into account every other 'club' that has been shutdown in the past five years it is a clear statement about the people of this county, or perhaps a statement about the attitudes of the police and olcc.
Mak's Place, Club 101, Gussies, all shutdown by the pressures the law enforcement, olcc and city officials put on them?
They treat business owners like criminals from the very beginning. Let me digress and mention the state of the economy, and these people are going to shut down a business?
This is ridiculous and out of control. Mak's is not some evil institution, it is a bar with music. Adults go there, voting adults, and I know all of them. I swear to the city council and all other elected officials, if you do this it will be my life's purpose to have you removed from office. As the bartender at Mak's I will be capable of networking and moving forward with a grassroots campaign to root out the people in office who find it necessary to treat us like children.
Tejun Fowler
Mak's Place, Club 101, Gussies, all shutdown by the pressures the law enforcement, olcc and city officials put on them?
They treat business owners like criminals from the very beginning. Let me digress and mention the state of the economy, and these people are going to shut down a business?
This is ridiculous and out of control. Mak's is not some evil institution, it is a bar with music. Adults go there, voting adults, and I know all of them. I swear to the city council and all other elected officials, if you do this it will be my life's purpose to have you removed from office. As the bartender at Mak's I will be capable of networking and moving forward with a grassroots campaign to root out the people in office who find it necessary to treat us like children.
Tejun Fowler
Q wrote on Jul 8, 2009 3:38 PM:
First it was the Underground. Now Mak's. And who knows how many other bars that came before them???
Here's the deal. If you're going to close one, close them all. People are going to go out if they choose, get rowdy, and cause trouble. Closing one place down only makes them move to another.
The police and the city should be happy that all these troublemakers are confined to one place... instead of having to answer calls to all the bars in Coos Bay/North Bend because these people have been forced to go to another establishment.
Really.
I'm sure if the police would visit Walmart more at 3am, they'd realize they have bigger fish to fry.
Here's the deal. If you're going to close one, close them all. People are going to go out if they choose, get rowdy, and cause trouble. Closing one place down only makes them move to another.
The police and the city should be happy that all these troublemakers are confined to one place... instead of having to answer calls to all the bars in Coos Bay/North Bend because these people have been forced to go to another establishment.
Really.
I'm sure if the police would visit Walmart more at 3am, they'd realize they have bigger fish to fry.
WHAT wrote on Jul 8, 2009 3:04 PM:
I’ve been to Mak’s many times and it’s a fun place to go. I have seen what happens its not on the inside its on the outside they don’t let the drunks from other bars come in so they start trouble outside. I have even seen the secuaty use a Breathalyzer on people and if they are over the legal limit they don’t get in. So is it the owner’s fault if other bars get people drunk and they start trouble outside there bar? A lot of us want to go out and dance and have a good time but it seems that the Olcc and the city don’t want people to go out and spend money to help our local economy. It reminds me of the movie footloose….
obiwan wrote on Jul 8, 2009 2:31 PM:
Whoaaaa!? Control the patrons?! Close it down before something
drastic happens?! Sorry that legal adults aren't forced to run
around with signs on their foreheads stating I react badly to
alcohol consumption, copious amounts of caffine, heck chocolate
may make me frisky! Well we should all just stop driving then too
because something "drastic" might happen like a crash or something!
Yeesh people, get a grip on something. Oh yah, like reality!
drastic happens?! Sorry that legal adults aren't forced to run
around with signs on their foreheads stating I react badly to
alcohol consumption, copious amounts of caffine, heck chocolate
may make me frisky! Well we should all just stop driving then too
because something "drastic" might happen like a crash or something!
Yeesh people, get a grip on something. Oh yah, like reality!
obiwan wrote on Jul 8, 2009 1:27 PM:
The trend I see here is that the city harps
on the bars that have the most patronage.
86 calls since last summer, I have to assume
a twelve month period here, translates to an
average of 1.65 calls per week. Not too
excessive in my eyes when it's not spun to
make 86 look big. 76 for all the other bars
combined, who cater to mainly 35+ crowds, is
like comparing the murder rates of Portland
to Coos Bay. What else would you expect? It's
a shame to blame the owners for the irresponsibe
actions of a few and take away something that
a majority enjoy. Throw the book at the
trouble makers and send the message loud and
clear! I really hope that CB police dept isn't
actually complaining about having to do their jobs
like what it sounds in this atricle. My tax dollars
soooo much better spent doing those crosswalk
enforcements. What BS. Please city of Coos Bay,
stop trying to protect me from lawbreakers, that's
what I pay the police to do.
on the bars that have the most patronage.
86 calls since last summer, I have to assume
a twelve month period here, translates to an
average of 1.65 calls per week. Not too
excessive in my eyes when it's not spun to
make 86 look big. 76 for all the other bars
combined, who cater to mainly 35+ crowds, is
like comparing the murder rates of Portland
to Coos Bay. What else would you expect? It's
a shame to blame the owners for the irresponsibe
actions of a few and take away something that
a majority enjoy. Throw the book at the
trouble makers and send the message loud and
clear! I really hope that CB police dept isn't
actually complaining about having to do their jobs
like what it sounds in this atricle. My tax dollars
soooo much better spent doing those crosswalk
enforcements. What BS. Please city of Coos Bay,
stop trying to protect me from lawbreakers, that's
what I pay the police to do.
Just Me wrote on Jul 8, 2009 1:03 PM:
I say, if they can't control their patrons and they beat up their own customers, serve minors, close it down! All it is doing is costing us taxpayers money by having the police answering calls to control the drunks that the place produces in the first place! Shut 'er down!
COQUILLIAN wrote on Jul 8, 2009 12:57 PM:
Good deal! If a bar gets more than 10 calls in a year they should be cancelled. Why wait for something drastic to happen? It is obvious that they overserve.
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