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Worker Bee wrote on Jul 17, 2009 12:40 PM:
For a Better Oregon,
I take it you don't drive? You don't eat anything you don't grow yourself? You don't use electricity or plumbing? You don't own anything not made of twigs and grass? Because if you do any of those things, you are pretty pathetic by your own standards. All of those things promote air pollution of some kind, either through their manufacture or use.
And sorry, but all pollution is done, "near an area"
So when are you guys going to get to listing some of the other hundreds of negative reasons for the project? All I keep seeing is the same 6 or 7 things over and over. And please, neither you are I are the majority. You're just a very vocal section of the populace. The majority are the people who don't care either way.
I take it you don't drive? You don't eat anything you don't grow yourself? You don't use electricity or plumbing? You don't own anything not made of twigs and grass? Because if you do any of those things, you are pretty pathetic by your own standards. All of those things promote air pollution of some kind, either through their manufacture or use.
And sorry, but all pollution is done, "near an area"
So when are you guys going to get to listing some of the other hundreds of negative reasons for the project? All I keep seeing is the same 6 or 7 things over and over. And please, neither you are I are the majority. You're just a very vocal section of the populace. The majority are the people who don't care either way.
For a Better Oregon wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:08 AM:
I agree 1000% with Common Sense & the majority that don't want this Lng at Jordan Cove!
Bob Braddock & his people are pretty desperate these days with the many delays, many stories on how this will benefit the area when in reality it will not except for a few extra tax dollar revenue that will be dumped in indebt projects as the rail line! Pretty pathetic when anyone supports air pollution of any kind, especially when it's right next to an area! Pretty pathetic when anyone supports any project that hundreds of negative reasons not to have & only one to have it (Some extra tax revenue that no Oregon citizen will see, due to paying indebt projects as the Rail Line)! This Lng project at Jordon Cove is unnessary, risky, air polluter, thus I agree it is a classic SCAM to the majority of Oregon citizens!
Bob Braddock & his people are pretty desperate these days with the many delays, many stories on how this will benefit the area when in reality it will not except for a few extra tax dollar revenue that will be dumped in indebt projects as the rail line! Pretty pathetic when anyone supports air pollution of any kind, especially when it's right next to an area! Pretty pathetic when anyone supports any project that hundreds of negative reasons not to have & only one to have it (Some extra tax revenue that no Oregon citizen will see, due to paying indebt projects as the Rail Line)! This Lng project at Jordon Cove is unnessary, risky, air polluter, thus I agree it is a classic SCAM to the majority of Oregon citizens!
Worker Bee wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:34 PM:
Common Sense,
If a plant pollutes somewhere in the world, it affects THE WHOLE WORLD.
If the LNG is only going to California, the local company won't be raising our natural gas rates to be in line with California's. Otherwise we would be paying the same prices for gas, power, water, etc.
Your other points are the same rant, just shoved in between your response to me. But hey, nice try.
And I knew you were going to try tying me to Braddock, that's why I addressed the comment to both of your post names.
I've told you before, I don't know Bob Braddock. Just because I want to see this project here doesn't tie me to him. Like I've told you before, it gives me a chuckle when you resort to those type of childish tactics. So by all means, keep it coming.
If a plant pollutes somewhere in the world, it affects THE WHOLE WORLD.
If the LNG is only going to California, the local company won't be raising our natural gas rates to be in line with California's. Otherwise we would be paying the same prices for gas, power, water, etc.
Your other points are the same rant, just shoved in between your response to me. But hey, nice try.
And I knew you were going to try tying me to Braddock, that's why I addressed the comment to both of your post names.
I've told you before, I don't know Bob Braddock. Just because I want to see this project here doesn't tie me to him. Like I've told you before, it gives me a chuckle when you resort to those type of childish tactics. So by all means, keep it coming.
everyman wrote on Jul 15, 2009 3:49 PM:
Common, Common, Common...
OK, FIRST - Stick with letters or numbers; From points 1, 2, 3 to G, H, I...people might think you don't know what you're talking about.......(awkward silence).
Point B - What type of pollution will the plant produce? And will it be greater than or less than current methane pollution produced by local cattle farms?
And finally - Many of your "facts" are outdated and irrelevant...please update your rhetoric...I am getting bored reading the same thing over, and over, and over...
EVERYMAN SMASH!!
PS - If you want, I could help with the whole letter/number thing
OK, FIRST - Stick with letters or numbers; From points 1, 2, 3 to G, H, I...people might think you don't know what you're talking about.......(awkward silence).
Point B - What type of pollution will the plant produce? And will it be greater than or less than current methane pollution produced by local cattle farms?
And finally - Many of your "facts" are outdated and irrelevant...please update your rhetoric...I am getting bored reading the same thing over, and over, and over...
EVERYMAN SMASH!!
PS - If you want, I could help with the whole letter/number thing
Common Sense wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:56 AM:
Worker bee & rest of Bob Braddock's people,
1) I live here & NOT in a 3rd world nation, thus I don't want to breath polluted air 24/7/365 days a year!
2) As you know & everyone else know's, if business's can raise prices they will, thus if the California LNG SCAM comes here with it's OVER 2 times more expensive price, it WILL raise prices for Oregon citizens vs what they pay now!
3) Here's a some MORE negatives for you (It's not all of them either):
G) Oregon will lose 80 foot wide section of land for 230 miles forever to foreigners,
H) Located in Tsunami hazard zone,
I) 230 miles of pipe goes through rivers, lakes, streams affecting plants & wild life, going up & down hills that erosion will occur on 80 foot wide clear cut!
& the negative list can go ON & ON!
P.S. How is Bob these days on the MANY delays coming his way on this LNG SCAM?
1) I live here & NOT in a 3rd world nation, thus I don't want to breath polluted air 24/7/365 days a year!
2) As you know & everyone else know's, if business's can raise prices they will, thus if the California LNG SCAM comes here with it's OVER 2 times more expensive price, it WILL raise prices for Oregon citizens vs what they pay now!
3) Here's a some MORE negatives for you (It's not all of them either):
G) Oregon will lose 80 foot wide section of land for 230 miles forever to foreigners,
H) Located in Tsunami hazard zone,
I) 230 miles of pipe goes through rivers, lakes, streams affecting plants & wild life, going up & down hills that erosion will occur on 80 foot wide clear cut!
& the negative list can go ON & ON!
P.S. How is Bob these days on the MANY delays coming his way on this LNG SCAM?
everyman wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:07 AM:
Wow...Nice to meet you, Worker Bee...
My name is Everyman, and since we will be standing on the same side of the fence, I figured I should introduce myself.
Uh-oh, Common...there are more of us than you think...and we are increasingly un-silent!
Oh, and BTW...The quote you keep shouting about "2x more expensive" isn't accurate any more. Check the date on your source material.
My name is Everyman, and since we will be standing on the same side of the fence, I figured I should introduce myself.
Uh-oh, Common...there are more of us than you think...and we are increasingly un-silent!
Oh, and BTW...The quote you keep shouting about "2x more expensive" isn't accurate any more. Check the date on your source material.
Worker Bee wrote on Jul 14, 2009 6:53 PM:
Just Me,
you have got to be kidding right? You're worried about what could happen with LNG? What about the dangerous things that are already all over this community.
What about the propane fueling centers all over town? And the refueling trucks driving all over town. Propane is more volatile than LNG. LNG dissipates into the air, propane spreads at ground level. LNG would be across the bay from town. Propane is everywhere IN town. The LNG facility and pipeline will have stricter controls on it than any propane facility.
That's just one thing that COULD potentially be dangerous. There are more and you know it. Feel free to stay in your home quivering in fear now, just because something potentially dangerous exists.
you have got to be kidding right? You're worried about what could happen with LNG? What about the dangerous things that are already all over this community.
What about the propane fueling centers all over town? And the refueling trucks driving all over town. Propane is more volatile than LNG. LNG dissipates into the air, propane spreads at ground level. LNG would be across the bay from town. Propane is everywhere IN town. The LNG facility and pipeline will have stricter controls on it than any propane facility.
That's just one thing that COULD potentially be dangerous. There are more and you know it. Feel free to stay in your home quivering in fear now, just because something potentially dangerous exists.
Worker Bee wrote on Jul 14, 2009 6:34 PM:
Common Sense/For a Better Oregon,
I'm not going to argue about LNG's pro's or cons for this area. We've already been there. I only have 3 things to say to you.
1. You don't care about the pollution, so stop with that rant. If the LNG plant isn't located in the US, you know for a fact that they will put it in some 3rd world country where it will pollute more. So it's ok if it pollutes somewhere else, just not here?
2. This is a California LNG scam, remember. So why are you worried that the gas will cost twice as much there?
3. No the negative list cannot go on and on, or you would occasionally list other things. Instead you spout the same cut and paste rant over, and over, and over, and over......
I'm not going to argue about LNG's pro's or cons for this area. We've already been there. I only have 3 things to say to you.
1. You don't care about the pollution, so stop with that rant. If the LNG plant isn't located in the US, you know for a fact that they will put it in some 3rd world country where it will pollute more. So it's ok if it pollutes somewhere else, just not here?
2. This is a California LNG scam, remember. So why are you worried that the gas will cost twice as much there?
3. No the negative list cannot go on and on, or you would occasionally list other things. Instead you spout the same cut and paste rant over, and over, and over, and over......
Just Me wrote on Jul 14, 2009 2:51 PM:
To Mommie2209: Honey, have you ever even actually read up on ANYTHING about LNG? Or are you just thinking about this as the possibility of a job? Evidently you have children, do care about the safety of them? This is a very dangerous business. We are not talking dynamite trucks here. You really need to listen to some of the other comments on here like 1313,For a better Oregon, this isn't just affecting us, the pipe line is going across Ore. and taking peoples property along the way! You are just looking at LNGs side of this, open your mind to the bad side of what COULD happen!
Common Sense wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:30 AM:
To mommie2209, Everyman & the rest of Bob Braddocks people,
Here's a question for you:
If this LNG SCAM is not providing any full time jobs to locals of this area (Bob Braddock has said that already) & the only benefit would to gather some extra tax $$$ that will be dumped into the indebt Rail line! Then having the following negative things:
A. Air polluter 24/7/365 days a year,
B. Would discourage many visitors & retiree's from visiting/living here,
C. Lng is OVER 2 times more expensive then what Oregon citizens are paying right now for natural gas,
D. Lng ship having a government study proven fact of a 2 mile hizard zone coming within 1/2 of populated area here affecting 17,000 people,
E. Pipeline of 230 miles that could leak & catch fire due to lightening or ordinary camp fire etc,
F. Forcing 400 Oregon property owners to lose 80 foot wide section of their land,
& the negative list can go on & on!
Why would anyone support this LNG SCAM unless they are profiting from it individually?
Here's a question for you:
If this LNG SCAM is not providing any full time jobs to locals of this area (Bob Braddock has said that already) & the only benefit would to gather some extra tax $$$ that will be dumped into the indebt Rail line! Then having the following negative things:
A. Air polluter 24/7/365 days a year,
B. Would discourage many visitors & retiree's from visiting/living here,
C. Lng is OVER 2 times more expensive then what Oregon citizens are paying right now for natural gas,
D. Lng ship having a government study proven fact of a 2 mile hizard zone coming within 1/2 of populated area here affecting 17,000 people,
E. Pipeline of 230 miles that could leak & catch fire due to lightening or ordinary camp fire etc,
F. Forcing 400 Oregon property owners to lose 80 foot wide section of their land,
& the negative list can go on & on!
Why would anyone support this LNG SCAM unless they are profiting from it individually?
everyman wrote on Jul 13, 2009 9:56 AM:
(Heavy sigh)
OK, 007. I will answer your questions if you will answer mine, deal?
No, I do not want a job at this plant...I have a great job I love.
And I don't agree with the premise of your 2nd question...It isn't simply about the jobs ONLY, or the income ONLY, or the market need ONLY.
When I weigh the risk and reward, the answer to your over-arching question is; yes, I do believe it is worth it.
Just because my opinion differs from yours dosen't mean it is less important.
Oh, and BTW, I never said I wouldn't attend the meetings...I only said you wouldn't know who I am...and you won't know on the 23rd either...unless I want you to...
Everyman...everywhere.
OK, 007. I will answer your questions if you will answer mine, deal?
No, I do not want a job at this plant...I have a great job I love.
And I don't agree with the premise of your 2nd question...It isn't simply about the jobs ONLY, or the income ONLY, or the market need ONLY.
When I weigh the risk and reward, the answer to your over-arching question is; yes, I do believe it is worth it.
Just because my opinion differs from yours dosen't mean it is less important.
Oh, and BTW, I never said I wouldn't attend the meetings...I only said you wouldn't know who I am...and you won't know on the 23rd either...unless I want you to...
Everyman...everywhere.
mommie2209 wrote on Jul 12, 2009 1:25 PM:
its going to be a ripal out effect an not a rippal out effect. they will spend money here. EPA comes in an makes sure that things are well kept. an not to mention that if a gas truck blows up in the middle of town then that would just as bad. an let talk about the Dynamite trucks that travel through here would would either one of these things would level out 3 city blocks, an they do not blow up an what about the american gas they are just as likely to blow up an do the same thing. an we live right here an nothing happens. if you want to live in a bubble then move your happy self to a island an live there by yourself.
orecoast007 wrote on Jul 11, 2009 7:06 PM:
EVERYMAN,Let me re-word my last comment.. Are you still hoping to get a job at this plant? You have stated in the past that you "WOULD NOT" show up to these meetings because because of your family.. Do you think 39 jobs is worth having LNG here?
1313 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 2:24 PM:
Oh my gosh ! You really do think this LNG will bring in jobs and money???????
They will tell you anything and you will believe it. Do you think they are going to publish any bad news about LNG, NO they aren't. The people who are going to make the money from it will not say anything negative about it, even tho they know negative things, they keep it quiet. Just like big businesses that ship out food that is contaminated, knowing it is, but hopeing to still make a few bucks off of it before it is detected and actually kills or makes people very sick. This is what businesses do, for crying out loud. Just like the shark movie, they knew there were sharks in the water, but didn't want to tell anyone because they didn't want to lose the tourist business. Same thing going on everywhere now. We all know about scams and I still get at least one or two scam emails every single day, mostly from Nigeria, and they keep coming, so I assume someone is falling for them or they wouldn't keep sending them.
They will tell you anything and you will believe it. Do you think they are going to publish any bad news about LNG, NO they aren't. The people who are going to make the money from it will not say anything negative about it, even tho they know negative things, they keep it quiet. Just like big businesses that ship out food that is contaminated, knowing it is, but hopeing to still make a few bucks off of it before it is detected and actually kills or makes people very sick. This is what businesses do, for crying out loud. Just like the shark movie, they knew there were sharks in the water, but didn't want to tell anyone because they didn't want to lose the tourist business. Same thing going on everywhere now. We all know about scams and I still get at least one or two scam emails every single day, mostly from Nigeria, and they keep coming, so I assume someone is falling for them or they wouldn't keep sending them.
mommie2209 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM:
this is copy an pasted from there website...."The LNG vessel traffic, will significantly increase the annual number of vessel calls at the Port of Coos Bay, helping to:
stabilize Port operations,
increase overall Port utilization, and
increase Port revenues.
These additional vessel calls will provide increased employment for longshore workers, harbor pilots, tugboat operators, and marine service and supply providers.
The construction of the facility – which will take roughly three years – will provide over 1000 jobs at construction peak, in addition to the increased business for local vendors who would provide supplies and services during construction.
When completed, the facility will provide about 60 stable, long-term, family-wage, skilled jobs to local residents. Additionally, new support jobs will be created for tractor tug services, stevedoring and piloting.
In addition to the above benefits, the Jordan Cove Energy Project could enhance Coos County’s attractiveness as a place to locate or expand business "
stabilize Port operations,
increase overall Port utilization, and
increase Port revenues.
These additional vessel calls will provide increased employment for longshore workers, harbor pilots, tugboat operators, and marine service and supply providers.
The construction of the facility – which will take roughly three years – will provide over 1000 jobs at construction peak, in addition to the increased business for local vendors who would provide supplies and services during construction.
When completed, the facility will provide about 60 stable, long-term, family-wage, skilled jobs to local residents. Additionally, new support jobs will be created for tractor tug services, stevedoring and piloting.
In addition to the above benefits, the Jordan Cove Energy Project could enhance Coos County’s attractiveness as a place to locate or expand business "
mommie2209 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 10:56 AM:
it will bring in some jobs they said they would hire construction workers in the beginning which in turn they spend money at safeways which leads to another cashier which leads to the next job an so on an so on.. an weather or not they bring in some employees from who knows they are going to buys homes an groceries an gas which will lead to more jobs. an not to mention that it takes a pilot to board a ship to bring it in through the bay.... so there is a job right there which would or could lead to another job..so for those people that do not think that this will lead to jobs i think that you should sit an think about that for a moment...
everyman wrote on Jul 10, 2009 9:39 AM:
A job hat, 007?
I don't think i understand.
Anyways, thanks, as always, for not addressing my point. I knew I could count on you, Jane.
Is that meeting open to the public?
And where is it? You want a piece, 007?
BRING IT!!
Look, up in the sky!!
It's a bird...it's a plane...no, it's...EVERYMAN!!
I don't think i understand.
Anyways, thanks, as always, for not addressing my point. I knew I could count on you, Jane.
Is that meeting open to the public?
And where is it? You want a piece, 007?
BRING IT!!
Look, up in the sky!!
It's a bird...it's a plane...no, it's...EVERYMAN!!
orecoast007 wrote on Jul 9, 2009 4:50 PM:
I guess EVERYMAN is still waiting a job hat will be given to an outsider anyways... Maybe he will show up @ the July 23rd,meeting @ 1:30pm (LOL)
everyman wrote on Jul 9, 2009 9:44 AM:
Well, kiki, I don't know...but since when have we started preventing a business from pursuing it's goals based on who we think will buy thier product?
Are you really saying that whether a business starts up or not should be based on if the masses think it will succeed...if that were the case, we wouldn't have any Starbucks (Nobody will EVER pay $3 for a cup of coffee) or PC's, or Airplanes, or...you get my point.
Who cares who will buy the natural gas. If they fail, they fail...if they succeed, they succeed.
I...AM...EVERYMAN!
Are you really saying that whether a business starts up or not should be based on if the masses think it will succeed...if that were the case, we wouldn't have any Starbucks (Nobody will EVER pay $3 for a cup of coffee) or PC's, or Airplanes, or...you get my point.
Who cares who will buy the natural gas. If they fail, they fail...if they succeed, they succeed.
I...AM...EVERYMAN!
1313 wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:10 PM:
We don't need LNG, it won't bring money into the area and it scares people and nobody will ever move here again if it comes in. There already are so many houses for sale, and there will be more from people wanting to move away because of LNG and nobody will be moving here to buy the houses because of LNG. We will all lose, not gain, a thing. And don't laugh about the explosions, it can happen! Most of the money the outsiders will be making will be sent out of area, just like our illigal aliens send their money out of area to families far away ! ! !
And with California so broke, how can they even pay for this gas ? ? ?
And with California so broke, how can they even pay for this gas ? ? ?
scc wrote on Jul 8, 2009 12:16 PM:
Just me:
You said " I hate to inform you dear but, this is NOT going to bring any jobs to anybody FROM our area". I say if it will bring local jobs. Even bringing in workers from out of this area will help. Those people will spend $$ here (creating or saving existing jobs), buy homes here (creating or saving existing jobs) and will eventually retire, creating job openings. Think future.
You said " I hate to inform you dear but, this is NOT going to bring any jobs to anybody FROM our area". I say if it will bring local jobs. Even bringing in workers from out of this area will help. Those people will spend $$ here (creating or saving existing jobs), buy homes here (creating or saving existing jobs) and will eventually retire, creating job openings. Think future.
kikilongbean wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:16 AM:
Hey Everyman: Do you think California will be able to pay for it?
Just Me wrote on Jul 7, 2009 8:56 PM:
To Mommie2209: I hate to inform you dear but, this is NOT going to bring any jobs to anybody FROM our area. These LNG scammers have their own people they bring with them! It also is not going to help our schools or any of our businesses! I suggest you better read up what they are actually all about before you get all excited about them coming here! Because it appears to me that what you have been hearing is just what THEY want you to hear!
everyman wrote on Jul 7, 2009 4:55 PM:
Gloom, despair, and agony on me....So say the screamers...
Riddle-me-this, why the angst?
Explosions? Please...you've got a greater risk factor with a gas grill.
Cost? So don't buy it.
Land stealing? You mean land purchase.
Don't want to ship it to the evil Californians? You mean like all the timber, grass, and mushrooms we harvest?
(From thw Wizard of Oz)
"They could while away the hours, conversin with the flowers, consulting with the rain....with the thoughts they'd be thinkin, they could be another Lincoln, if they only had a brain".
Everyman out.
Riddle-me-this, why the angst?
Explosions? Please...you've got a greater risk factor with a gas grill.
Cost? So don't buy it.
Land stealing? You mean land purchase.
Don't want to ship it to the evil Californians? You mean like all the timber, grass, and mushrooms we harvest?
(From thw Wizard of Oz)
"They could while away the hours, conversin with the flowers, consulting with the rain....with the thoughts they'd be thinkin, they could be another Lincoln, if they only had a brain".
Everyman out.
mommie2209 wrote on Jul 7, 2009 3:26 PM:
i hope that our county commisioners approve this we need the job and the money that hopefully it will bring to the area... i think that we should have this project an i hope that we get it along with what ever else we can get to create jobs...
For a Better Oregon wrote on Jul 7, 2009 1:58 PM:
Kinda sad & pathetic of this goodolesystem of not getting it right the first place on this Lng SCAM at Jordan Cove! This Lng SCAM should of already been rejected with so many issues against it vs a few extra tax dollars collected, that will only be dumped into the other failed projects as the Rail line, New Airport or better yet the famous Welfare system going broke! This Lng SCAM will provide NO local jobs, pollute the air 24/7/365 days a year & take away land from 400 Oregon property owners, just so California can have some expensive gas (Over 2 times more expensive then what Oregon citizens are paying for their gas presently per month)! Wish I had a Dollar for every story Bob Braddock as said, because I would be a millionaire by now!!!
mommie2209 wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:55 PM:
We need LNG we need the jobs to keep things in this town money for schools an money to keep business open....lets not close the door an be open to new things an things about what the future is an what this could do for our town an community....
Steve Pickering wrote on Jul 7, 2009 11:58 AM:
Why just Kevin? There are three commissioners charged with protecting the interest of all county residents. I ask the Board of Commissioners to consider the irreparable damage this project may cause to the county wetlands. Also this project will destroy archeological treasures which have not been properly cataloged on the affected property and surrounding areas. And the county’s estuary management plan has not been properly addressed.
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