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ORcoastParent wrote on Jul 12, 2009 11:05 AM:
They took so long because of wording disputes. The district’s lawyer went wacky changing wording in their contract. It took several weeks to talk about money. Then someone has a baby and some blueberries need harvested. It has less to do with the teachers union holding out.
A Masters in teaching starts at $35k/yr. At 190 days and 9hrs/day they get $20/hr). Similarly paid jobs in Coos Bay:
Social worker: $20/hr
Tractor mechanic: $20/hr
Real estate appraiser: $40k/yr
HVAC installer: $20/yr
Besides the social worker, none require a degree. Being full year, they are closer to $40k.
When teachers lose benefits they lose them for life. Does your school have a PE, music or nursing staff as part of normal funding since the 80’s? Just buy a Nintendo Wii and send them to school with band aids right?
Teachers are specifically trained and cannot move to another profession easily, that’s why they have a union that bargains for a stabilized income. You are a fool if you can't give them that. Teachers make $20/hr and most jobs in Coos Bay are minimum wage. We need better jobs so we can pay more taxes. Don’t take it out on teachers.
A Masters in teaching starts at $35k/yr. At 190 days and 9hrs/day they get $20/hr). Similarly paid jobs in Coos Bay:
Social worker: $20/hr
Tractor mechanic: $20/hr
Real estate appraiser: $40k/yr
HVAC installer: $20/yr
Besides the social worker, none require a degree. Being full year, they are closer to $40k.
When teachers lose benefits they lose them for life. Does your school have a PE, music or nursing staff as part of normal funding since the 80’s? Just buy a Nintendo Wii and send them to school with band aids right?
Teachers are specifically trained and cannot move to another profession easily, that’s why they have a union that bargains for a stabilized income. You are a fool if you can't give them that. Teachers make $20/hr and most jobs in Coos Bay are minimum wage. We need better jobs so we can pay more taxes. Don’t take it out on teachers.
ORCoastParent wrote on Jul 12, 2009 11:05 AM:
They took so long because of wording disputes. The district’s lawyer went wacky changing wording in their contract. It took several weeks to talk about money. Then someone has a baby and some blueberries need harvested. It has less to do with the teachers union holding out.
A Masters in teaching starts at $35k/yr. At 190 days and 9hrs/day they get $20/hr). Similarly paid jobs in Coos Bay:
Social worker: $20/hr
Tractor mechanic: $20/hr
Real estate appraiser: $40k/yr
HVAC installer: $20/yr
Besides the social worker, none require a degree. Being full year, they are closer to $40k.
When teachers lose benefits they lose them for life. Does your school have a PE, music or nursing staff as part of normal funding since the 80’s? Just buy a Nintendo Wii and send them to school with band aids right?
Teachers are specifically trained and cannot move to another profession easily, that’s why they have a union that bargains for a stabilized income. You are a fool if you can't give them that. Most jobs in Coos Bay are minimum wage. We need better jobs so we can pay more taxes. Don’t take it out on teachers.
A Masters in teaching starts at $35k/yr. At 190 days and 9hrs/day they get $20/hr). Similarly paid jobs in Coos Bay:
Social worker: $20/hr
Tractor mechanic: $20/hr
Real estate appraiser: $40k/yr
HVAC installer: $20/yr
Besides the social worker, none require a degree. Being full year, they are closer to $40k.
When teachers lose benefits they lose them for life. Does your school have a PE, music or nursing staff as part of normal funding since the 80’s? Just buy a Nintendo Wii and send them to school with band aids right?
Teachers are specifically trained and cannot move to another profession easily, that’s why they have a union that bargains for a stabilized income. You are a fool if you can't give them that. Most jobs in Coos Bay are minimum wage. We need better jobs so we can pay more taxes. Don’t take it out on teachers.
COQUILLIAN wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:04 PM:
Why do they need an OSBA rep? Other districts simply have 2-3 board members and the supt do the negotiations. And why would one board members absence foul up the whole works? If you have at least 3, if one can't be there you still have two. Figure out what other boards do and get on with it.....
dan milburn wrote on Jul 7, 2009 10:22 AM:
It isn't about the teachers, the kids or even the buildings. It's about the tax structure. Dig up the original Sizemore's property tax limitation and recend it. You need a sales tax. Why? Because people who can afford it - pay it. People who can't afford it don't. You don't pay taxes on the money you spend on rent, utilities, medical bills and very little on food. People who can afford many luxery goods etc. pay the most taxes. You can study, bicker, gripe and moan - but you can't solve Oregon's tax problems without a sales tax. Let the tourists pay for touring the State, and not leave the tax-payer to pay for cleaning and fixing up the campgrounds, highways, roads and parks.
It's a math thing. Quit politicking and grandstanding and hire a math teacher!
It's a math thing. Quit politicking and grandstanding and hire a math teacher!
Open Eyes wrote on Jul 6, 2009 10:20 PM:
A couple facts that should be mentioned:
1. The negotiations are 'stalled' because the CBSD's representative from the Oregon School Board Association is currently on maternity leave, and because Wally Hazen (school board member and blueberry farmer) has requested the month of July off.
2. Anyone present at the last sessions of bargaining heard the teachers' offer which did include a partial freeze.
Why the Editorial board of the World is out to make teachers look like monsters is beyond me.
1. The negotiations are 'stalled' because the CBSD's representative from the Oregon School Board Association is currently on maternity leave, and because Wally Hazen (school board member and blueberry farmer) has requested the month of July off.
2. Anyone present at the last sessions of bargaining heard the teachers' offer which did include a partial freeze.
Why the Editorial board of the World is out to make teachers look like monsters is beyond me.
Eastsider wrote on Jul 6, 2009 5:17 PM:
I doesn't matter if the teachers get more or less. The real problem the district faces is its building repair and replacement backlog.
Ctanner wrote on Jul 6, 2009 3:24 PM:
"Oregon's imperfect tax structure." I love it. That's what you get for letting Oregonians vote on their state's tax structure.
barack obama wrote on Jul 6, 2009 8:22 AM:
How about you take a wage freeze for the rest of your life. Good luck trying to convince one of the strongest Unions around to take two year wage freezes. Don't forget that teachers enjoy making money too. Just because you work in service of children doesn't mean you shouldn't make money.
E.M. wrote on Jul 3, 2009 11:51 AM:
Moonpenny, Last time I checked, the general fund funds everybody's salary including the classified staff as well as all costs to run schools. As for the classified staff, they have their own union to advocate on their behalf. And, if they don't like cleaning toilets with a brush they could try going to college and earning two degrees, so they could be underpaid PROFESSIONALS. The truth is, the classified employees run the risk of having their jobs outsourced if they demand too much. Teachers, highly educated/trained employees are not, for better or worse, in the same boat. Slamming teachers will not help the classified employees. Supporting adequate funding for our schools will benefit all involved, especially the children. Oh, and in case you forgot, the reason children attend school is to learn. All other personnel SUPPORT teachers in this mission. It is not the other way around.
m00npenny wrote on Jul 2, 2009 4:30 PM:
Skip the donations to the teachers salaries, donate to what will benefit the students. I know, if the custodial and kitchen staff are let go, I want to see the teachers earn their raise. Hand a toilet brush to each one the next time they pick up their checks.
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 PM:
One minor detail.....
The cooks are not classified employees of Coos Bay Schools.
They work for Sodexo.
The cooks are not classified employees of Coos Bay Schools.
They work for Sodexo.
E.M. wrote on Jul 2, 2009 12:02 PM:
Again, the World's editorial staff are being disengenous in their assertion that teachers are asking for a "pay raise." Even if they are given a 2% raise they will still be taking a substantial pay cut via the cut days they will agree to. What the union is trying to do is make sure that the teachers salaries will be in line with similar districts in Oregon once the economy ameliorates.
I do have a suggestion for the editors at the World: Once the districts in town settle their teacher contracts, I challenge the editors at this newspaper to take a like pay cut and donate it to the general funds of both districts. That way their suggestions would have a little merit!
I do have a suggestion for the editors at the World: Once the districts in town settle their teacher contracts, I challenge the editors at this newspaper to take a like pay cut and donate it to the general funds of both districts. That way their suggestions would have a little merit!
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