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babyboomer wrote on Jul 18, 2009 9:28 PM:
COASTIE123 wrote on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 AM:
Dragonman wrote on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 PM:
Rebecca1 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 PM:
SQ wrote on Jun 25, 2009 10:41 AM:
orecoast007 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:55 PM:
NB_Rez wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:45 PM:
nutcracker wrote on Jun 24, 2009 11:36 AM:
You really don't get it do you!
There is a contract.
Contract states that they pay the City the full amount.
Tribes did NOT pay the full amount.
Pay up now and renegotiate before the next payment is due.
END OF STORY
NB_Rez wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:45 AM:
tsunami wrote on Jun 23, 2009 3:50 PM:
koos bayanian wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:56 PM:
I am not saying that things should continue on as they have...they certainly have the right to review and renegotiate the contract...I think most of us are complaining that they did not pay the first quarter PILOTs when they were due and then start the process of renegotiation. They were inconsiderate, bordering on rude in my mind, to not let the City of North Bend know in January that The Tribe was considering a new contract.
Kay wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:33 AM:
Why is it that everyone seems to forget the millions of dollars that the Ko-Kwel Indian Tribe has donated to this community? Not to mentioned that without the casino, over 500 people would be out of a job. And how about all the local businesses that do benefit from business-to-business relationships with the casino? The casino, in large part, is one of the main reasons tourists even come to this area. It certainly isn't for the shopping.
NAW, JUST A BUNCH OF POOR WHITE PEOPLE thinking they're picking on some brown people to make themselves feel better about being poor white people.
Just my take.
NB_Rez wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:07 AM:
TO JUST ME - There is no contradiction here. There are several businesses in this area that get paid to provide services to the casino that you obviously aren't aware of.
Just Me wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:35 AM:
nutcracker wrote on Jun 22, 2009 5:11 PM:
It has everything to do with collecting a room tax and NOT paying it to the City of North Bend as contracted.
The Mill Casino is a wonderful supporter of the local community when it comes to giving out grant money and helping sponsor local events and festivals. THEY ARE WONDERFUL!
They have done great things in the time they have been open, contrary to some people's opinions.
They really need to pay the City the monies that they have ALREADY collected from the many customers that paid their taxes to stay in their beautiful hotel.
All of the other hotels/motels in North Bend and Coos Bay collect this money and transfer it to their Cities on a quarterly basis.
It is NOT their money!
and as far as coming to our area for shopping...well, it is what is. That is a whole other issue!
NB_Rez wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:27 PM:
CriticaLogic wrote on Jun 22, 2009 12:44 PM:
arago wrote on Jun 22, 2009 10:29 AM:
I grew up in the Bay Area and now live in South Dakota. We have a number of reservation here some do have casinos. But they are on Reservation land.
We also have the poorest place in the US and that is Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.
I have yet to go to the Mill Casino nor I won't be going the next time I am out there. But they did have a contract and now are charging their customers a tax that they are not paying to the city of North Bend. So pay up and then start talks on a new contract.
Koos Bayanian wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:18 AM:
Anyways, This contract was agreed upon and signed. They want to renegotiate the contact but they should not be able to do that while they are withholding payment for the previous quarter. That would be like you renegotiating your morgage but not make any payments on the loan until then. This money was collected with the intention of being paid to the City of North Bend, NB Visitor's Center, & the VCB. By not paying, they broke the contract...which I suppose the City of North Bend could withhold services from them that they weren't paid for but that would be childish...Coquille Indian Tribe STEP UP and PAY! Then open negotiations with the city!
By doing such a underhanded thing, you hurt this community. And while you are at retrograding a new contract to the begining of the year...Why don't you just retrograde it all the way back Ten-Fifteen Years and we will have to pay you!
Worker Bee wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:58 PM:
Did you mean to respond to the last line of my comment with something that is in no way related to it?
Who said anything about anyone reclaiming their land? Nobody here is cutting off their noses to spite their face. I just disagree with you that we, the people of today, owe the Native Americans of today, anything.
Krissy wrote on Jun 21, 2009 4:27 PM:
bigdog wrote on Jun 21, 2009 12:17 PM:
literate wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:28 AM:
nutcracker wrote on Jun 21, 2009 10:24 AM:
The VCB has absolutely NOTHING to do with the funding of new CB visitor center.
And....a signed contract with the City most certainly makes the Tribe "obligated".
Please get all of your facts straight.
CBRezident wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:49 AM:
Red Beard wrote on Jun 20, 2009 10:10 PM:
tough it is easier to just quit paying. Maybe the tribe should see if Obama will give them a bail out instead of the City of North Bend. Of course the great thing about hillbillies is simple people see things simply how they are and survive all that is tossed at them.
Citizen wrote on Jun 20, 2009 8:22 PM:
m00npenny wrote on Jun 20, 2009 5:10 PM:
Worker Bee wrote on Jun 20, 2009 4:01 PM:
The city can't shut down the Casino or their hotel. The could blockade it and only allow tribal members and their employees in. But that will never happen.
And Keen, your logic is flawed. Where does the giving back stop? Do we only stop with giving everything back to the Native Americans? Or do we make them give whatever lands they took from other tribes back to the ones they took it from? Sorry, but most of us "white hilbillies," were born in this country, and that makes us natives. Don't forget, the Native Americans migrated here too. So they first generation wasn't even born here. They just didn't have to conquer someone to get the land.
Kay wrote on Jun 20, 2009 11:32 AM:
Well I guess you won't mind when those "other" brown people - the Mexicans - reclaim "their" land here? Huh?
Unbelievable.
You people will cut off your nose to spite your face - repeatedly.
Nutcracker wrote on Jun 20, 2009 9:48 AM:
"In North Bend, the 7 percent hotel/motel tax helps fund the Coos Bay-North Bend Visitor and Convention Bureau, along with some city expenses."
Doesn't the VCB get a small percentage of this 7% and the largest percentage funds the North Bend Visitor Center?
So the Tribe will keep funding for advertising with the VCB to help put people in their hotels rooms,(hence..more $$) but they won't give the City their share of the tax (that they are contracted to do) to keep the Visitor Center open and running.
This is NOT their money. It is money that they collect from their customers!
How many people will lose jobs from this?
It seems that there is a lot more that this article did not say.
Just Me wrote on Jun 20, 2009 8:19 AM:
AnOldDude wrote on Jun 20, 2009 5:38 AM:
Get the National guard in here and block access to all with out a passport or Coquille ID
Bet the Honest Room tax will get paid after that
catman wrote on Jun 20, 2009 2:59 AM:
chilly wrote on Jun 20, 2009 12:08 AM:
the truth wrote on Jun 19, 2009 8:08 PM:
bigdog wrote on Jun 19, 2009 7:31 PM:
any good reporter would have tracked that down and read it to see that the mill does not have a choice but to pay. just ask for it under
freedom of infomation act FYI to the reporter who wrote the 1/2 story
dan milburn wrote on Jun 19, 2009 7:01 PM:
many of my friends and relatives are being referred to as "others". The Coquille tribal members didn't migrate here after the Casino was built. Most of their ancestors have been our friends and neighbors for life. Their ancestor's major income was from working at the Cape Arago sawmill in Empire, fishing and harvesting Oysters.
Now many have jobs that are the result of making the best out the mess Weyerhauser, Georgia Pacific and others left before bailing out. Their contributions are keeping the Bay Area alive. What other business pays as much money to local governments? These are your friends and neighbors - not "others". Thanks
Citizen wrote on Jun 19, 2009 6:44 PM:
catman wrote on Jun 19, 2009 6:31 PM:
catman wrote on Jun 19, 2009 5:57 PM:
Worker Bee wrote on Jun 19, 2009 5:09 PM:
And Kay, before you start. I don't feel the same guilt that you do. I did nothing to these peoples ancestors. The people who owe, and the people owed, are long since gone. Maybe we should be like every other country that built a nation, and be ONE COUNTRY. I don't see any other country being apologetic for conquering the land that they are on. And there is no country that hasn't done horrible things to build their nation.
Krissy wrote on Jun 19, 2009 3:49 PM:
Kay wrote on Jun 19, 2009 3:37 PM:
Kay -
So... let me ask you this...
Because I have Cherokee Indian heritage, and come from that ancestry... maybe I should stop paying MY taxes too? Right?
Oh WAIT! It doesn't work that way. I have to pay my taxes just like anyone else. And I don't use tribal status to manipulate the powers that be to get money from our federal government or negotiate paying a lower tax than the rest of America.
But according to what I've just read - I'm owed 400 years too! That isn't the way it works. And you know it.
Why not?
Keen wrote on Jun 19, 2009 2:59 PM:
TruthTeller wrote on Jun 19, 2009 2:57 PM:
CB Lifer wrote on Jun 19, 2009 2:09 PM:
DeeBee wrote on Jun 19, 2009 1:55 PM:
Q wrote on Jun 19, 2009 1:14 PM:
So... let me ask you this...
Because I have Cherokee Indian heritage, and come from that ancestry... maybe I should stop paying MY taxes too? Right?
Oh WAIT! It doesn't work that way. I have to pay my taxes just like anyone else. And I don't use tribal status to manipulate the powers that be to get money from our federal government or negotiate paying a lower tax than the rest of America.
But according to what I've just read - I'm owed 400 years too! That isn't the way it works. And you know it.
Krissy wrote on Jun 19, 2009 1:12 PM:
potato farmer wrote on Jun 19, 2009 1:05 PM:
1313 wrote on Jun 19, 2009 12:50 PM:
Good neighbors alright !
Kay wrote on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 PM:
How bout we give them four hundred years? I figure that's how long WE owe them, with OUR sense of entitlement.
Sound fair?
kikilongbean wrote on Jun 19, 2009 12:45 PM:
bigdog wrote on Jun 19, 2009 12:22 PM:
Q wrote on Jun 19, 2009 11:46 AM:
So, I understand the whole idea of a sovereign nation... but really... when is this attitude of entitlement going to end?!
The Mill, by holding funds collected and represented as a TAX is misleading their patrons. Let's not mention there is an agreement already in place - and it hasn't been re-negotiated yet!
What about this sounds right? You don't see the Mill bowing out of promotional opportunities afforded to them by the VCB. Sure, in the past, it is a service that they have paid into.
But it seems to me, they want everything they can get, and don't want to give back in return. And please... two sevenths? What an insult!
What about all the other hotel and motel operators in the community who actually set aside those funds and PAY them? The Mill Casino and its operators should be ashamed of using its tribal status to avoid paying the taxes that everyone else in this nation is required to pay.
Can anyone say... lawsuit? Get real, Mill... there is a contract already in place. Honor it.
Mr E wrote on Jun 19, 2009 11:21 AM:
Oh, wait, I actually WOULDN'T be able to do that...
By the way, spare me if you're going to talk about the tribe's "contributions" to the area. They do almost nothing for the public at-large, compared to other casinos in the state (at least, those actually located within cities/towns).




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