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tag urit wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:48 AM:
Pres. Obama said on Father’s Day in Parade Magazine, "That is why we need fathers to step up, to realize that their job does not end at conception." Wait, how can they be fathers at conception if the baby is not a baby at conception?
m00npenny wrote on Jun 11, 2009 8:02 PM:
koos bayanian: The situation your friend had is called a "Spontaneous Abortion" aka, miscarriage. You make it sound as if the doctors were going to make her "stay" that way. Two different types of Abortion, she did not choose to kill her baby, it had already passed.
lived9lives wrote on Jun 11, 2009 12:05 PM:
Thanks for your clarifying story. Here's mine which will explain why I cannot go to the all or nothing position. I became pregnant with a second child. The father gave me one option "get rid of it or I will leave". The choice was keep the pregnancy and deny my daughter the presence of a 24/7 father or abortion. I lived in extreme poverty as a fatherless child and was fully aware its horrendous impact upon children. I had absolutely no financial stability nor family support. No vehicle, no medical insurance, no $ for down payment on an apartment, etc.
I have met far too many women who have also confronted this Judgement of Solomon situation. Most chose the partner.
I would ask you to consider this story when viewing this issue.
I am also appalled at the high numbers of abortions in our country. However, I believe the most effective long-term solution to vastly decrease the numbers is comprehensive sexuality education(teaching sexual responsibility), massive media marketing supporting this, unrestricted access to birth control and related protective legislation.
No truce necessary - all is good.
I have met far too many women who have also confronted this Judgement of Solomon situation. Most chose the partner.
I would ask you to consider this story when viewing this issue.
I am also appalled at the high numbers of abortions in our country. However, I believe the most effective long-term solution to vastly decrease the numbers is comprehensive sexuality education(teaching sexual responsibility), massive media marketing supporting this, unrestricted access to birth control and related protective legislation.
No truce necessary - all is good.
Steve Pickering wrote on Jun 11, 2009 11:15 AM:
Myself, I am anti-abortion, but I am not pro-life.
And I am not afraid to use my real name. Anonymity has little credibility.
And I am not afraid to use my real name. Anonymity has little credibility.
scc wrote on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 AM:
Buttercup, I am sorry for jumping to conclusions. So many times, when people find out that I have grandbabies with Downs, I hear “Gasp, I am so sorry” when there is nothing to be sorry for. I don’t mean to be defensive.
Koos Bayanian, I don’t think anyone would dispute the taking of a dead fetus or infant, or at least I would not hope so. I think the argument is over taking a life.
For the record I don’t justify the killing of abortion doctors or bombing of clinics. Two wrongs do not make a right. On the other hand couldn’t that be cincidered “late term abortion”?
Koos Bayanian, I don’t think anyone would dispute the taking of a dead fetus or infant, or at least I would not hope so. I think the argument is over taking a life.
For the record I don’t justify the killing of abortion doctors or bombing of clinics. Two wrongs do not make a right. On the other hand couldn’t that be cincidered “late term abortion”?
Just Me wrote on Jun 11, 2009 8:01 AM:
To Lived9lives: Thank you for your stetement, that was very much appreciated. I feel if you are pro-life it has to be all or nothing. Once the child is here, take care of it! The child is a here for your lifetime. In my case, I decided that there were so many parents in this area that could not take care of their kids that someone had to. As you did. I was a mother at 16 pregnant at 15, I could have had an abortion but for me it was not even a thought. Now I have a 40 yr. old son that has blessed me with 3 beautiful grandkids. I often look back to that time, at 15 and think if I would have had that done, look what I would NOT have today! I also commend you on all that you have done for all the kids! Truce?
Coquillian wrote on Jun 10, 2009 9:32 PM:
The only reason you call me uneducated and accuse me of making a generalized statement is because I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. Keep your stupid laws out of my body, and the bodies of other women. If you don't like abortions DON'T GET ONE, or DON'T CAUSE ONE!!
buttercup wrote on Jun 10, 2009 5:31 PM:
SCC: I was being sarcastic:) I believe every child, special needs or not, deserves life. I said, "...God forbid, down syndrome..." because that's the attitude that tends to be prevalent in our culture.
koos bayanian wrote on Jun 10, 2009 5:01 PM:
I may get "bashed" for this but...get to know a person before you call them selfish.
Just because one woman has the ways and means to support another life to term, another may not.
Just because one woman may not care when she has an abortion, another may.
Read on the internet why so many couples adopt children from other countries. Some people may not want a child to langish in an orphanage.
The Pro-Lifers who protest in front of the clinics do not just hold signs.
Do not get me wrong, I love children and there are reasons why women should be allowed to get the care they need. I know...I had a relative who had an abortion for an infant dead in the womb. and she would have DIED!
Just because one woman has the ways and means to support another life to term, another may not.
Just because one woman may not care when she has an abortion, another may.
Read on the internet why so many couples adopt children from other countries. Some people may not want a child to langish in an orphanage.
The Pro-Lifers who protest in front of the clinics do not just hold signs.
Do not get me wrong, I love children and there are reasons why women should be allowed to get the care they need. I know...I had a relative who had an abortion for an infant dead in the womb. and she would have DIED!
lived9lives wrote on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM:
To Just Me:
You are the first pro-life poster I have ever heard say they have taken in foster children. You are to be commended. As far as what have I done? I have taken in 3 pregnant teens whose parents could not stand the embarrassment. I also worked with the mother in providing private adoptions such that her criteria (parents, live in country, parents are Catholic, parents have pets etc.) would be considered in the selection process. I was present at the births and delivered the babies to the new parents. In addition: I have worked with pregnant and parenting teens, sexually/physically abused children, foster parents, grandparents raising a grandchild/s, GLBT "thrown away" homeless teens, children exploited/raped/pregnant while in religous cults. Sorry, there's no more room. I did NOT intend for the "stupid" etc to be directed at you - only those who view women as such. Having worked with teens who have been scarred by such comments I do get angry(for them). Once again you and your partner are truly to be commended.
You are the first pro-life poster I have ever heard say they have taken in foster children. You are to be commended. As far as what have I done? I have taken in 3 pregnant teens whose parents could not stand the embarrassment. I also worked with the mother in providing private adoptions such that her criteria (parents, live in country, parents are Catholic, parents have pets etc.) would be considered in the selection process. I was present at the births and delivered the babies to the new parents. In addition: I have worked with pregnant and parenting teens, sexually/physically abused children, foster parents, grandparents raising a grandchild/s, GLBT "thrown away" homeless teens, children exploited/raped/pregnant while in religous cults. Sorry, there's no more room. I did NOT intend for the "stupid" etc to be directed at you - only those who view women as such. Having worked with teens who have been scarred by such comments I do get angry(for them). Once again you and your partner are truly to be commended.
Scc wrote on Jun 10, 2009 1:07 PM:
I just want to know why "God forbid, down syndrome"? God forbid?? Buttercup do you know anyone with Down syndrome? I have two of the most beautiful granddaughters (twins) that are Down syndrome and I just don't get the "God forbid" part. I agree with you that pro choice is selfishness. A heart beat is not just a cell, it is a life. How can someone be considered pro choice if they take away the choice of the life they created? Do you know that statistics show that 97% of couples or women choose to abort a pregnancy when they find out they are carrying a Down syndrome child. Selfishness at its finest!
Kay wrote on Jun 10, 2009 11:48 AM:
I understand the Feds are considering classifying these religeous terrorists as a 'terrorist organization', finally.
How many Americans and clinics have these fundamentalist terrorists killed and destroyed?
I hope they all go down for murdering innocent citizens.
How many Americans and clinics have these fundamentalist terrorists killed and destroyed?
I hope they all go down for murdering innocent citizens.
buttercup wrote on Jun 10, 2009 9:54 AM:
What happened to the value of life? Just because my child has autism or, God forbid, down syndrome they don't deserve a chance to blink their lil' newborn eye's and see a first sunrise? Pro-choice is selfishness through and through. Eliminate the poor, the unwanted, and the disabled before they become a problem. Hitler would be proud.
Just Me wrote on Jun 10, 2009 8:54 AM:
To livedninelives: ya know I agreed with you on the part of where when the womans life is at risk because of the baby being dead inside her and you still argue! I am a Christian woman I was a foster parent for 13 years and I and my husband just so happened to have adopted 4 of those foster kids! I am not "stupid, poor or lazy so tell me, what have you done to help out lately? Other than run your mouth putting really bad names on other people?
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jun 10, 2009 8:01 AM:
Wrong again, Coquillian.
Who else wants to chime in with an uneducated generalization?
Who else wants to chime in with an uneducated generalization?
COQUILLIAN wrote on Jun 10, 2009 6:58 AM:
What I find interesting about the pro-lifers I know is that MANY are against teaching sex education in school, and are also against birth control access for minors. Abstinince preaching doesn't work. I saw a sign once at a pro-choice rally, "50% of all pro-lifers are men, and 100% will never be pregnant." I think this is something that will always be devisive. But, like prohibition, making it illegal won't work.
Rebecca1 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:36 PM:
I think you all need to do your homework here, there are just Not That Many Females out there, after many of years of math & science, & many of those hours accumulated at Marshfield High School in the early 60's, I was told I wouldn't make a good MD because I wasn't willing to lie about that sort of thing, I would bet maybe that man never ever even preformed an abortion on a human let alone a partial.......it's all a lie, but it sure has given the folks another Opiate to Dance to, most folks statisically want escape anyway, right?
lived9lives wrote on Jun 9, 2009 4:12 PM:
To Just Me: The article is about late-term D&X procedures. Could you stick to one issue? Try finding stories of the mothers/fathers who have been placed in that situation. Which would you chose? The mother or a horrendously deformed fetus which is dying inside the womb?
It seems to me Pro-Lifers are also misoginists - haters of women. No pro-lifer ever addresses the MOTHER. All I hear on this post
is "stupid","poor", "lazy","sexing around" women. Yet these same stupid women are good enough to become parents? If you are so pro-life, there are 500,000 children langusihing in foster care. Go adopt one of them instead of promoting or adopting terrorist mentalities towards doctors. Pro-life is hypocrisy, unChristian and anti-women.
It seems to me Pro-Lifers are also misoginists - haters of women. No pro-lifer ever addresses the MOTHER. All I hear on this post
is "stupid","poor", "lazy","sexing around" women. Yet these same stupid women are good enough to become parents? If you are so pro-life, there are 500,000 children langusihing in foster care. Go adopt one of them instead of promoting or adopting terrorist mentalities towards doctors. Pro-life is hypocrisy, unChristian and anti-women.
Q wrote on Jun 9, 2009 3:27 PM:
On the same topic - NB_REZ - I think it's interesting to note after an attempt to post on this subject, I was censored. Not because of vulgarity or senseless verbal attacks... perhaps because my viewpoint isn't of the "popular" opinion represented here?
Yet - I see the pro-life opinions represented in full force - in an attempt to oppress others who view freedom of choice as their God given right. Whether we can agree or disagree isn't the point - not one single person here is without sin. To cast judgment or wish another soul to go to Hell is an abomination within itself.
I challenge those of you who approve of an overturning of Roe v. Wade to study how many women’s lives were lost prior to that monumental moment in the women’s rights movement.
So - you don't agree? That's your right. You don't have to. But that also means that others have the right to feel and do with their body what they choose, without the religious rhetoric and condemnation. Without the judgment of others who couldn't know what it is to walk in their shoes.
Yet - I see the pro-life opinions represented in full force - in an attempt to oppress others who view freedom of choice as their God given right. Whether we can agree or disagree isn't the point - not one single person here is without sin. To cast judgment or wish another soul to go to Hell is an abomination within itself.
I challenge those of you who approve of an overturning of Roe v. Wade to study how many women’s lives were lost prior to that monumental moment in the women’s rights movement.
So - you don't agree? That's your right. You don't have to. But that also means that others have the right to feel and do with their body what they choose, without the religious rhetoric and condemnation. Without the judgment of others who couldn't know what it is to walk in their shoes.
NB_Rez wrote on Jun 9, 2009 11:47 AM:
It's interesting how many pro-lifers have made comments here. It's just too bad that most of you will never stand up for what you believe in beyond the comments page of a newspaper. When are we going to stop letting a vocal minority dictate our lives?
Just Me wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:57 AM:
Lived9lives, You are wrong! That is not the only reason these procedures are done, if it were I would agree. I would not want a woman to die because of this either! Women have these abortions as a form of birth control because suddenly they change their minds for some stupid reason or another. I just read two stories of two women that survived partial birth abortions, one that was done at seven mos. and the other had 3 saline abortions and was born pre mature at 7 mos! Look it up if you choose, Gianna Jessen and Amy Charlton. So you see, the reasons are not just for the life of the mother as you stated. These two women are alive today to tell their stories about how happy they are to have survived what otherwise would have been a horrible death.
Kay wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:50 AM:
1313 wrote on Jun 6, 2009 3:43 PM:
TO KAY
It has been on many newscasts that Dr. Tiller performed over 60,000 abortions.
Do you listen to the news? ? ?
Just want you to know where the info came from, and I doubt ALL the newscasts are wrong.....
Although I feel that even one partial birth abortion is one too many...if the fetus is alive when done.
OH !!! YOU HEARD IT ON THE NEWS?
NO YOU DIDN'T YOU HEARD IT ON FOX MA'AM.
NOT NEWS.
Make an effort to verify what you "HEAR ON THE NEWS".
Especially if it's Bill O'Lielly the Fallafel Man "reporting" it, okay?
Makes the dialog a lot more interesting.
TO KAY
It has been on many newscasts that Dr. Tiller performed over 60,000 abortions.
Do you listen to the news? ? ?
Just want you to know where the info came from, and I doubt ALL the newscasts are wrong.....
Although I feel that even one partial birth abortion is one too many...if the fetus is alive when done.
OH !!! YOU HEARD IT ON THE NEWS?
NO YOU DIDN'T YOU HEARD IT ON FOX MA'AM.
NOT NEWS.
Make an effort to verify what you "HEAR ON THE NEWS".
Especially if it's Bill O'Lielly the Fallafel Man "reporting" it, okay?
Makes the dialog a lot more interesting.
keen wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:49 AM:
The USA invaded Iraq. We shot first. Of course you people would like to separate the fact that your anti-abortion yet still pro-death when it comes to war. I bet the fact that you all have DOUBLE STANDARDS is very confusing to you. They are both moral issues. You can not get through the pearly gates going around pretending to be pro-life when in reality you are supporting mass murder. Supporting the war ALSO means that it's ok with you for them to send innocent US soldiers to die. It is NOT I being disrespectful to these young kids. It is you. If you voted for Bush in 2004 or voted for McCain it means you are pro-death.
Kay wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:48 AM:
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jun 8, 2009 10:28 AM:
Why do you keep trying to drag war in to this?
Totally off-topic and irrelavent.
Because of the hypocrits that worship cells in a womans body, and praise their sons who kill other mothers' children around the world. That's why.
Why do you keep trying to drag war in to this?
Totally off-topic and irrelavent.
Because of the hypocrits that worship cells in a womans body, and praise their sons who kill other mothers' children around the world. That's why.
Kay wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:45 AM:
Just Me wrote on Jun 8, 2009 11:20 AM:
Kay I and I am sure alot of us on here find your comment very offensive to our country and our families that have sons, daughters, and other family members serving in our military to protect the very LAND that YOU and KEEN are standing on and the AIR that you breath! How dare you !
Wrap yourself in a flag and carry a cross and you can go half way around the world to kill people. And be proud.
We are not in Iraq to protect me or anyone else, or the air I breathe. Some of us can deal with reality, others can't.
Git used to it.
Kay I and I am sure alot of us on here find your comment very offensive to our country and our families that have sons, daughters, and other family members serving in our military to protect the very LAND that YOU and KEEN are standing on and the AIR that you breath! How dare you !
Wrap yourself in a flag and carry a cross and you can go half way around the world to kill people. And be proud.
We are not in Iraq to protect me or anyone else, or the air I breathe. Some of us can deal with reality, others can't.
Git used to it.
Citizen wrote on Jun 8, 2009 5:01 PM:
The problem is with the woman. This baby is terminated without a voice. If she was thinking about more than herself this would change entirely. If your mother told you that she wanted an abortion, but the government said she could not how would you feel about your mother? If you were adopted because your natural mother would not or could not keep you and you found out she wanted to abort you how would you feel? I am so tired of people trying to be sneaky about this! Every woman I know regrets having an abortion performed. Give these kids a chance!
dadochipper wrote on Jun 8, 2009 3:26 PM:
Kay ....those 18 year olds are trying to kill OUR 18 year olds. Also, those in the middle east are CAUCASIAN.
Your ilk wants to categorize everything and everyone so you can have excuses when things dont go "your" way....
Must I also remind you (or did you selectively ignore) the fact that most people getting killed over there are NOT being killed by our forces, but rather Iraqis or other enemy (yes, ENEMY, not the politically correct and too polite "insurgent") forces...
You all are wayyy to predictable....
Your ilk wants to categorize everything and everyone so you can have excuses when things dont go "your" way....
Must I also remind you (or did you selectively ignore) the fact that most people getting killed over there are NOT being killed by our forces, but rather Iraqis or other enemy (yes, ENEMY, not the politically correct and too polite "insurgent") forces...
You all are wayyy to predictable....
lived9lives wrote on Jun 8, 2009 2:04 PM:
"If the baby is not meant for survival, the body will take care of that, either by beginning labor on its own or the baby's natural death upon birth."
WRONG: Late term abortion techniques are used when there is NO other option. Do you want the mother with a dead fetus inside her to DIE as it rots away? To suffer a torturous death from slow, steady, unstoppable infection? For medical reasons she physically CANNOT deliver naturally nor by C-section. If this is what you desire the cancel your membership in the pro-life club as you are advocating mandatory DEATH for mothers.
WRONG: Late term abortion techniques are used when there is NO other option. Do you want the mother with a dead fetus inside her to DIE as it rots away? To suffer a torturous death from slow, steady, unstoppable infection? For medical reasons she physically CANNOT deliver naturally nor by C-section. If this is what you desire the cancel your membership in the pro-life club as you are advocating mandatory DEATH for mothers.
m00npenny wrote on Jun 8, 2009 1:12 PM:
The Beginning Journey, it is an Exhibit at OMSI in Portland that everyone needs to see at least once. No matter what your views on “life” are, after seeing the exhibit, your views will question you, doubt you and change you. It’s been there for a few years and I do not recommend taking children. These are 44 actual unborn babies, not models, from embryo to 40 weeks. They have been preserved and displayed in the most respectful way one can, given the exhibit. No matter where you stand on the issue, the exhibits will illicit thoughts and questions within yourself. Life is precious and when it’s lost, no amount of justification will attune for it.
Just Me wrote on Jun 8, 2009 11:20 AM:
Kay I and I am sure alot of us on here find your comment very offensive to our country and our families that have sons, daughters, and other family members serving in our military to protect the very LAND that YOU and KEEN are standing on and the AIR that you breath! How dare you! This story has nothing to do with war lady, so right there you are way off base! I never have believed in any kind of abortion let alone partial birth, for the exception of two, figure it out!
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jun 8, 2009 10:28 AM:
Why do you keep trying to drag war in to this?
Totally off-topic and irrelavent.
Totally off-topic and irrelavent.
Kay wrote on Jun 7, 2009 10:33 AM:
Keen, thank you. I posted exactly the same thing and it didn't survive the cut. You are so right, these obstructionists want cells to have funerals, but they'll wrap themselves in a flag and praise their sons' killing of brown human beings all over the world. Show me a white nation we've attacked lately?
hj wrote on Jun 6, 2009 6:41 PM:
I think it should be outlawed, it is a very sick and nasty thing. they are playing god. only god should decide when its time for some to die and just because its not set foot on the earth that dose not mean it can't feel or have a sole!!! And just like when you were a kid, when you abused a privilege to many times you got it taken away! and that's whats happening they are using this as a birth control more often then not!!!
1313 wrote on Jun 6, 2009 3:43 PM:
TO KAY
It has been on many newscasts that Dr. Tiller performed over 60,000 abortions.
Do you listen to the news? ? ?
Just want you to know where the info came from, and I doubt ALL the newscasts are wrong.....
Although I feel that even one partial birth abortion is one too many...if the fetus is alive when done.
It has been on many newscasts that Dr. Tiller performed over 60,000 abortions.
Do you listen to the news? ? ?
Just want you to know where the info came from, and I doubt ALL the newscasts are wrong.....
Although I feel that even one partial birth abortion is one too many...if the fetus is alive when done.
standupgal wrote on Jun 6, 2009 2:15 PM:
To KAY: I can back up my facts with Tiller's actual words on his biography website. Since you do not know me, do not assume I listen to any particular person. This is a ghastly procedure that no human being should be subjected to including unborn babies, the essence of innocence. May he rot in hell!!
KEEN: Are you telling the world that an unborn baby is not alive. How do you perform surgery on a non-living object? Why are people in jail for double murder for killing a pregnant woman? Why are people in jail for killing a baby in the womb? It is not a blob of unknown material!!
KEEN: Are you telling the world that an unborn baby is not alive. How do you perform surgery on a non-living object? Why are people in jail for double murder for killing a pregnant woman? Why are people in jail for killing a baby in the womb? It is not a blob of unknown material!!
From Coos Bay wrote on Jun 6, 2009 1:39 PM:
Abortion is murder. Irresponsible people not preventing pregnancy are to be held accountable and people who encouraged that abortion. There is birth control in myriad of forms. There is adoption. Everyone can 'do it', and if you do, boy or girl, you are responsible for the life you create. Murder is murder and not an option. If sexing around, "get fixed" temporarily or permanently. Young people and adults can be responsible. Society has encouraged them to not be. An abortion is never forgotten by the mother, the father and grandparents (if they new about the abortion.) You go through life seeing kids who would have been your child's age. You never forget, can turn to drugs to help and sometimes guilt is so bad, the thought of suicide haunts you.
dadochipper wrote on Jun 6, 2009 8:08 AM:
Keen.....and why is it that people that are against war are so "keen" on killing unborn children? To say "it isnt alive if it hasnt been born" is nothing more than justification for the Obamatrons...if that is the case why does the child stop moving when the brains are sucked out? Oh...and the VAST majority of killing in Iraq of women and children are other IRAQIS....dont know of any army manual that teaches suicide bombings or IEDs. And as far as killing 18 year old men from other countries ...they are trying to kill OUR 18 year old men.
Obviously, you are not so "keen"
Obviously, you are not so "keen"
MindTwisted wrote on Jun 6, 2009 7:23 AM:
QUOTE: "would you please explain the difference to “your people” between partial-birth abortion and putting two-day old, unwanted babies on a pillow and shooting them in the head."
To even ask the above quoted question shows that your level of ignorance must have reached Guinness-book levels. Such tremendously ignorant thinking renders the rest of your argument useless. When people talk about Americans being stupid and lazy, they just may be speaking about people like you, Lena Cox. I don't mean that as an insult, just a matter of fact.
Partial birth abortions are only administered to save the life of the mother, or in the event that the baby has already died in the womb. It is never done by choice, and would never be done to a healthy baby. On the other hand, shooting a baby is quite clearly homicide. Of course, if you receive your education from any source other than faux news, you'd already know that.
Any other questions? Maybe next week we can go over why torturing people is illegal and immoral.
To even ask the above quoted question shows that your level of ignorance must have reached Guinness-book levels. Such tremendously ignorant thinking renders the rest of your argument useless. When people talk about Americans being stupid and lazy, they just may be speaking about people like you, Lena Cox. I don't mean that as an insult, just a matter of fact.
Partial birth abortions are only administered to save the life of the mother, or in the event that the baby has already died in the womb. It is never done by choice, and would never be done to a healthy baby. On the other hand, shooting a baby is quite clearly homicide. Of course, if you receive your education from any source other than faux news, you'd already know that.
Any other questions? Maybe next week we can go over why torturing people is illegal and immoral.
EastBayDrive wrote on Jun 5, 2009 10:40 PM:
I'm pro-life, not a republican, not pro-war, not pro-death penalty, and definitely not pro-partial birth (read murder) abortion.
This issue is probably more hotly contested and debated than anything political to come along since Roe vs. Wade.
One thing that can never be disputed: You're reading this because your mother was pro-life and wasn't brainwashed by the merchants of death
This issue is probably more hotly contested and debated than anything political to come along since Roe vs. Wade.
One thing that can never be disputed: You're reading this because your mother was pro-life and wasn't brainwashed by the merchants of death
standupgal wrote on Jun 5, 2009 8:44 PM:
KAY, if you want facts you can hear what Tiller has to say in his own words on his biography website, www.dr-tiller.com/biography.htm. He is the one that said he performed 60,000 of these ghastly procedures. According to a doctor from Johns HOpkins, there is NO reason for the death of a viable infant. AS FOR KEEN, if the death of unborn baby is not murder, why are people charged for the death of a baby when the mother is killed? Are you saying that a baby a woman is carrying is a blob of unknown substance until the baby is suddenly popped out of the womb? YOu might want to go look at an ultrasound, especially the new ones!!!
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jun 5, 2009 6:38 PM:
KEEN your generalizations reveal your ignorance.
You can't kill it if its not born? You don't believe that a baby in the womb is alive?
There really isn't much more to add to that.
You've said WAY more to illustrate how uneducated you are than I could ever point out.
You can't kill it if its not born? You don't believe that a baby in the womb is alive?
There really isn't much more to add to that.
You've said WAY more to illustrate how uneducated you are than I could ever point out.
lived9lives wrote on Jun 5, 2009 6:25 PM:
To Standupgal: Referring to the assassination of Dr. Tiller you said: "May he burn in HELL." I certainly hope you do not use the term Christian in reference to yourself. Judge not...
Yes, PRO-LIFE unless it's someone you disagree with then it is PRO-DEATH. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Don't believe in abortion - don't have one. When were you ordained God's Gestapo of women's medical privacy?
Yes, PRO-LIFE unless it's someone you disagree with then it is PRO-DEATH. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Don't believe in abortion - don't have one. When were you ordained God's Gestapo of women's medical privacy?
lived9lives wrote on Jun 5, 2009 6:01 PM:
To 1313: Contrary to popular opinion many, many women (low income to wealthy)use birth control and STILL become pregnant. I met a woman who had used 7 of the highest effectiveness methods and became pregnant 7 times. It's called FERTILITY.
Fourth Amendment wrote on Jun 5, 2009 5:56 PM:
The pro-choice argument is flawed. I say, choose not to get pregnant. In the event of getting pregnant anyway, I advocate adoption. The moral of the story is you should not get pregnant unless you are aware of the risks associated. That said, I believe there are times when ending a pregnancy is acceptable: when the mother's life is in danger or when the pregnancy is the result of rape. However, in the event of rape, an abortion should be asap. I just cannot believe that there are soulles women and doctors who would opt for an abortion when so many OTHER choices exist(ed). I also cannot beleive that other people think partial birth abortion is a-okay. If the baby is not meant for survival, the body will take care of that, either by beginning labor on its own or the baby's natural death upon birth. I just don't support allowing a doctor to suck a baby's brain out, no matter what.
Fourth Amendment wrote on Jun 5, 2009 5:54 PM:
So Keen, a partial birth abortion is humane as opposed to gunning down an Iraqui? Did you even read what they do in this kind of an abortion before you posted? Our society has a hard time valuing life in general. Hence, abortion is legal. I agree we need to get out of the Middle East and bring our troops home and protect our borders. However, to end the potential of life, no matter the age of a fetus and whether we think that baby is a person or not, is disregard for life and humanity in its entirety.
Just Me wrote on Jun 5, 2009 5:15 PM:
Dear Keen: I hate to inform you of the fact but,I am against abortion and I am not PRO-WAR! Where do you get your statistics from anyway, because you sure have an odd way of thinking. Also, when a baby reaches the point where it is able to LIVE outside the womb it is a person. It is proven every single time a premature infant is born. So you my friend can go find another pulpit to preach from! Being against abortion and being pro war are two totally different topics,stick to one or the other!
chilly wrote on Jun 5, 2009 4:30 PM:
that is downright nasty!!! those doctors that do that should never ever be able to practice medicine again. if im not mistaken, when a child is "born" like that, it is "breached", and can be turned around, it does not give them a right to kill it. that child has a right to live. God gave that child a chance. I was breached, when i was born 39 years ago, the doctor was able to turn me around, the doctors may not have the knowledge to do that today, but there also is a thing such as c-section. if you dont want children, you shouldnt have sex. period. some people are not blessed with children, maybe you should think of allowing some loving family to care for it. and KEEN... it doesnt matter if it has been born yet, it is alive and growing.
jory wrote on Jun 5, 2009 3:42 PM:
To Coquillian, What do you mean by the statement that "lowest income women are the least likely to be able to afford the extra tests, let alone prenatal care". Actually, they are the MOST likely to afford it because, I and every other WORKING person pays it for them. It is the middle class people, like myself, that would be financialy burdened by extra tests. The rich can afford it and the poor & lazy get it for free! And I am pretty sure that birth control is free for low income people at just about every county health dept. Or better yet, if you don't want a baby, DON'T have sex!
keen wrote on Jun 5, 2009 3:16 PM:
Ever notice how people that are against abortion are PRO-WAR? They think killing small children, women, 18 year old boys from other countries is just fine. Yet, an abortion is "killing an infant." Here's a newsflash for you: You can't kill something that hasn't been born. Lots of Iraqis have been born and KILLED by our government but that's ok with you people, isn't it?
poloele wrote on Jun 5, 2009 3:04 PM:
The term "Partial Birth Abortion" was created by pro-life groups when the procedure became actively discussed at a political and religious level. It's not a medical term, which is D&X procedure. The correct numbers are between 2,500 and 3,000 per year. In the 3rd trimester it is performed when the fetus is dead or malformed or the continued pregnancy would endanger or damage life and health of the woman . Get your facts straight
Tag URit wrote on Jun 5, 2009 12:26 PM:
Kay, you are an angry person.
CNN says that Tiller himself claimed to have done 60,000 abortions.
CNN says that Tiller himself claimed to have done 60,000 abortions.
Q wrote on Jun 5, 2009 9:53 AM:
Although I don't stand on either side of this fence... and I appreciate the opinion of Ms. Cox... I think it's important to understand we live in America for a reason.
It isn't up to anyone to tell individuals what they are going to do with their body and life. If you don't like it - don't associate with it. If you have a problem with it - sure, voice your opinion...
But don't expect everyone to agree. Perhaps, in this same lesson, we could do a study on the thousands of women who lost their lives in the years before Roe v. Wade. There is a reason for that judgement - that many women stood up for their right to choose what to do with their body, and that of their unborn child.
It is a crying shame that anyone is faced with the decision to terminate the life of their child to save their own (it happens everyday!) to be faced with the discriminatory statements like that of those that Dr. Tiller should burn in Hell. No one, no matter the reason, should place that kind of judgement on ANYONE.
It isn't up to anyone to tell individuals what they are going to do with their body and life. If you don't like it - don't associate with it. If you have a problem with it - sure, voice your opinion...
But don't expect everyone to agree. Perhaps, in this same lesson, we could do a study on the thousands of women who lost their lives in the years before Roe v. Wade. There is a reason for that judgement - that many women stood up for their right to choose what to do with their body, and that of their unborn child.
It is a crying shame that anyone is faced with the decision to terminate the life of their child to save their own (it happens everyday!) to be faced with the discriminatory statements like that of those that Dr. Tiller should burn in Hell. No one, no matter the reason, should place that kind of judgement on ANYONE.
Just Me wrote on Jun 5, 2009 8:34 AM:
To Kay: I believe this just isn't her doctor-husbands opinion, I think the majority of doctors out there would NOT do such a horrible deed as this! And as far as you saying "keep your nose out of other womens business" when a partial birth abortion is done, most of these babies are viable outside of the womb, so wouldn't you say or should I say keep YOUR nose out of THESE BABIE'S business Ma'am!
Kay wrote on Jun 5, 2009 7:28 AM:
standupgal wrote on Jun 4, 2009 4:56 PM:
Good job Lena. Partial birth abortion takes the life away from the essence of innocence. The so-called doctor Tiller performed as many as 60,000 of these procedures and made millions of dollars doing it. May he rot in HELL!!!
DOCUMENT IT STANDUP. YOU CAN'T YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER OF O'LIELLYS' LEMMINGS. YOU PRINTED IT AS FACT, SHOW ME THE FACTS THAT DR. TILLER PERFORMED 60,000 LATE TERM ABORTIONS.
STOP BEING A PARROT FOR IGNORANT RIGHT WING HATE MERCHANTS.
Good job Lena. Partial birth abortion takes the life away from the essence of innocence. The so-called doctor Tiller performed as many as 60,000 of these procedures and made millions of dollars doing it. May he rot in HELL!!!
DOCUMENT IT STANDUP. YOU CAN'T YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER OF O'LIELLYS' LEMMINGS. YOU PRINTED IT AS FACT, SHOW ME THE FACTS THAT DR. TILLER PERFORMED 60,000 LATE TERM ABORTIONS.
STOP BEING A PARROT FOR IGNORANT RIGHT WING HATE MERCHANTS.
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jun 5, 2009 7:20 AM:
Kay,
See here's the thing. Its not just some "other woman's" business.
Its taking a human life.
What does the "pro-choice" crowd not understand about that?
BTW before I'm labeled I'm not some evangelical right-winger. Far from it!
See here's the thing. Its not just some "other woman's" business.
Its taking a human life.
What does the "pro-choice" crowd not understand about that?
BTW before I'm labeled I'm not some evangelical right-winger. Far from it!
1313 wrote on Jun 4, 2009 5:54 PM:
If women can't afford prenatal care, maybe they can't afford a child period and should not get pregnant.
I am sure that low income women can get birth control pills cheap and learn how to take them.
Does anyone know how to NOT GET PREGNANT ANYMORE?????? Abortion should not be used as birth control.
I am sure that low income women can get birth control pills cheap and learn how to take them.
Does anyone know how to NOT GET PREGNANT ANYMORE?????? Abortion should not be used as birth control.
standupgal wrote on Jun 4, 2009 5:00 PM:
You are wrong again, Coquillian. Partial birth abortion, the murder of a viable baby, is done more than 5,000 times a year for any reason the woman chooses. Look up the research that good Doctors have done on the actual cases. There have been doctors that worked with Tiller that have let the proverbial hat out of the bag.
standupgal wrote on Jun 4, 2009 4:56 PM:
Good job Lena. Partial birth abortion takes the life away from the essence of innocence. The so-called doctor Tiller performed as many as 60,000 of these procedures and made millions of dollars doing it. May he rot in HELL!!!
Coquillian wrote on Jun 4, 2009 1:59 PM:
Good job, Kay. What the pro-lifers won't tell you is that there are few partial birth abortions done in this country. And the pictures that they put on their websites and show during protests are taken in third world countries. And yes, we can tell things earlier on in a pregnancy, but you can't always know everything. Especially when the lowest income women are the least likely to be able to afford the extra tests, let alone prenatal care. And some of the comments the pro-life people made when Dr. Tiller was executed were so over the top. What hypocrites!!
cal girl wrote on Jun 4, 2009 1:25 PM:
I think abortion is the most digusting thing ever. I actually had considered it when I was pregnant w/ my son. His father didnt want him and I was so upset I was heartbroken. Now he is 10 and he is the best thing that ever happened to me. He is loving, smart, and he is so much fun. He melts me when he smiles. He will never will know his real father, but he is still a happy little boy and loves life. I urge anyone to re-think an abortion.
1313 wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:38 PM:
I agree with this letter completely. How can a Doctor who is supposed to save lives, do this to a baby?? I cannot comprehend any Doctor doing this.
It breaks your heart thinking what happens to the poor baby.
It breaks your heart thinking what happens to the poor baby.
Kay wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:11 PM:
This is your Doctor Husbands professional position on partial birth abortion?
I'm shocked.
If you don't want one, don't have one. Keep your nose out of other womens' business Ma'am.
Thanks for the description though, maybe you can tell us how much Dr. Tiller bled in his church vestibule?
Got that yet?
I'm shocked.
If you don't want one, don't have one. Keep your nose out of other womens' business Ma'am.
Thanks for the description though, maybe you can tell us how much Dr. Tiller bled in his church vestibule?
Got that yet?
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