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Corruption at the highest level of oregons system wrote on Mar 17, 2009 8:59 AM:
Must be nice to have a goodoleboy system of picking and choosing what case you want to hear, then on top of it don't have to give a reason why you like it or don't like it! To bad Oregon citizens can't re-call every Oregon leader in the state, since they obviously don't care about this kind of Corruption!
DEAR DEWAYNE wrote on Mar 13, 2009 9:06 PM:
Get on board DEWAYNE. The people who oppose LNG are lifelong Oregonians. Jody McCaffree was born in Coos Bay. Most of the people who help her run her organization have been here more than 50 years. Stop blaming Californians for all of your problems. Unless you are a Native American, your family came from outside of Oregon. Become a part of the solution. Stop being afraid and hiding behind a phony screen name. Run for office.
Dave from NB wrote on Mar 13, 2009 5:35 PM:
Only people supporting this Lng SCAM is Union construction workers begging & hoping for some temporary jobs & a few others that will profit from it somehow! The majority of Oregon citizens don't want it or need it!
P.S. Everyman & your other fake ID's posting in here, shows how pathetic & desperate you are! Who do you really think you are fooling anyways!
P.S. Everyman & your other fake ID's posting in here, shows how pathetic & desperate you are! Who do you really think you are fooling anyways!
regarding terrorism wrote on Mar 13, 2009 4:24 PM:
If terrorists pose no threat to Coos Bay, then why do we pretend there is one at our airport?
Jethro wrote on Mar 13, 2009 4:10 PM:
Well, it looks like you will be getting income to the area, whether you want it or not.
everyman wrote on Mar 13, 2009 3:26 PM:
Dear Jane and Common Sense...yes, lets stick to the facts.
They refused to listen to you.
I bet those ulcers you've worked up are causing quite a "BURN ZONE" now, huh?
They refused to listen to you.
I bet those ulcers you've worked up are causing quite a "BURN ZONE" now, huh?
dewayne wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:15 PM:
why don't the people from calif who don't like the lng go home we need jobs here there is very little work for the young now
Jane wrote on Mar 13, 2009 7:00 AM:
Jethro,
Guess you forgot or uninformed on the MAIN facts of this California LNG SCAM:
1) LNG is OVER 2 times more expensive then natural gas used by Oregon citizens today.
2) LNG is a air polluter.
3) 400 Oregon property owners will lose 80 foot wide section of their land, just so California can get some gas.
4) LNG INCREASES on dependence on foreign countries (Hostile ones like Russia, Iran, Algeria, etc) for energy needs & will black mail the USA causing HIGH prices increase & EXTREME hardship on ALL USA citizens.
The entire USA needs to become INDEPENDENT of foreign countries & not more dependent on them & if Oregon needs future natural gas, the gas coming from the Rockies would be 1/2 the price of this LNG SCAM! Read up & get educated & you'll say NO too!!!
Guess you forgot or uninformed on the MAIN facts of this California LNG SCAM:
1) LNG is OVER 2 times more expensive then natural gas used by Oregon citizens today.
2) LNG is a air polluter.
3) 400 Oregon property owners will lose 80 foot wide section of their land, just so California can get some gas.
4) LNG INCREASES on dependence on foreign countries (Hostile ones like Russia, Iran, Algeria, etc) for energy needs & will black mail the USA causing HIGH prices increase & EXTREME hardship on ALL USA citizens.
The entire USA needs to become INDEPENDENT of foreign countries & not more dependent on them & if Oregon needs future natural gas, the gas coming from the Rockies would be 1/2 the price of this LNG SCAM! Read up & get educated & you'll say NO too!!!
Jethro wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:49 PM:
Why is the LNG being contested?
I can find no real common sense reason.
Any tsunami large enough to breach the north spit and the 58 foot tsunami enclosure would cause so much damage in the Bay Area that any propane explosion would not add significantly. The dunes, themselves, are a result of a very big tsunami which struck the Oregon Coast. There are similar dunes on the coast of Australia and Africa, formed by catastriophic wave action. Look at these areas on satellite maps. You will see that the damaged areas are huge. A hundred foot wall of water with all of that kinetic energy behind it goes far inland.
Environmental impact? I lived near a major propane storage facility for 10 years and never knew it, until someone ruptured a pipeline carrying the stink they put in propane.
Terrorism? Please... the Bush Administrations fear tactics cannot have been so effective that you'd rather have a poor economy with rampant drug use.
I can find no real common sense reason.
Any tsunami large enough to breach the north spit and the 58 foot tsunami enclosure would cause so much damage in the Bay Area that any propane explosion would not add significantly. The dunes, themselves, are a result of a very big tsunami which struck the Oregon Coast. There are similar dunes on the coast of Australia and Africa, formed by catastriophic wave action. Look at these areas on satellite maps. You will see that the damaged areas are huge. A hundred foot wall of water with all of that kinetic energy behind it goes far inland.
Environmental impact? I lived near a major propane storage facility for 10 years and never knew it, until someone ruptured a pipeline carrying the stink they put in propane.
Terrorism? Please... the Bush Administrations fear tactics cannot have been so effective that you'd rather have a poor economy with rampant drug use.
Common Sense wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:21 AM:
Wish people would stay within the article's issue here...Oregon court system refused to address the legally binding Tsunami Hazard zone issue along Oregon's coast even though it's enforced by signs up & down Highway101 & pamplets handed out to tourists at the visiting centers!
P.S. Steve everything starts out expensive, until it's mass produced, thus the country needs to go in another direction AWAY from polluting fossel fuels in this 21st Century thinking!
P.S. Steve everything starts out expensive, until it's mass produced, thus the country needs to go in another direction AWAY from polluting fossel fuels in this 21st Century thinking!
You would never think this is a majority democratic state by how its run wrote on Mar 11, 2009 2:51 PM:
How this state can allow an obvious issue like this "legal" Tsunami zone to not be addressed, that effects the safety of THOUSANDS along the coast is sad & obviously some sort of goodoleboy system of CORRUPTION! Where tax money created by this Lng SCAM is more important then Oregon citizen's safety!
Bob wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:43 PM:
...and while we're on the subject. NOW would be a good time to readdress a Coos Bay/North Bend merger. Just imagine the savings that could be garnered by pooling our resources.
But alas, I fear we lack the courageous leadership needed to accomplish the obvious.
But alas, I fear we lack the courageous leadership needed to accomplish the obvious.
2 to steve wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:07 AM:
CoosBay/North Bend IS an industrialized area. We grew on the shipping of lumber and lumber mills. If you want tourist traps go north or south.
BARB SHAMET wrote on Mar 10, 2009 5:34 PM:
THERE'S PLENTY OF WORK INSTALLING SOLAR PANELS ON EVERY ROOF TOP IN AMERICA..AND A WIND TURBIN ON EVERY APPROPRIATE STREET CORNER..WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?
oregon high court dictators running a scam on oregon citizens wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:19 PM:
How can anyone legally judge something & not have to justify that decision! Just think they can rule on anything anyway they want to without explanation, isn't that a form of Dictatorship & Corruption??? I agree the whole Oregon system needs to be changed to a Democratic system, where citizens have rights/issues & those rights/issues can be heard legally & fairly ruled upon with a legal explanation on why!
To Steve. wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:52 AM:
Try running your idea past Coos Bay/North Bend. They'll find some reason to shut it down. Look what happened a few years ago, to the proposed steel mill. People in this area are so agaisnt change. They don't want to see Coos County become industrialized. They like living in a tourist town. That's why they retired here.
Steve Pickering wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:07 AM:
It is time to develop the existing industrial property on the north spit. We have our railroad. Now let's build that container facility. That is where the real long term jobs are. Good paying jobs hiring mostly locals. And there are individuals with the money and expertise waiting in the wings to do it. Now is the time. Container ships are layed up because of the failing economy and the pressure is off Long Beach, Portland, and Seattle. Building and labor costs to build are down. Now is the time to build it, and about the time it is finished the demand, the railroad, and the port, will be ready. You want jobs? They have been right there in front of you for years. You/We don't need LNG. Build the container port now. Be ready for a better future because it will turn around within about three years and we can survive with the terminal construction jobs in the meantime.
Changes wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:40 AM:
I wonder if that 1% in lane county includes the numerous Homeless in Eugene. That don't want to work, and make more, begging on the street corner than I do working 40 hours a week in construction. Even if the positions are filled by out of state employment. Those people will bring there families and money. Where do you think they will spend their money? They need to eat and a place to sleep. They'll spend that money in local businesses. I support industrial growth. Without it your community will die.
Dave from nb wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:44 AM:
I bet not one of those people live near this Lng SCAM pipeline layout, let alone near the coast! I agree 1000% no explanation means CORRUPTION in the WHOLE SYSTEM.
To Changes wrote on Mar 7, 2009 5:33 PM:
The unemployment rate in Lane County is 1 percent higher than it is in the remainder of the state. I still wish I lived in Eugene though.
Bob wrote on Mar 7, 2009 11:30 AM:
Don't build here because of tsunamis. Don't build in California because of earthquakes. Don't build in Kansas because of tornadoes. Don't build in Texas because of hurricanes. Don't build in Louisiana because of floods. Don't build in Michigan because it's cold in winter. Don't build in Florida because it's hot in summer. Well, you got your way. For the past thirty years we stopped building and now...here we are. Nothing to sell but lawyer's briefs and "intellectual" property - software on a CD.
Here's a concept: all of you folks who are so vehemently opposed to this project should invest an equal amount of money and energy into figuring out how to bring some jobs to this blighted area. It's OK to say "No" to the LNG project, but you'd better have a good alternative in hand. Put up, or shut up.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
Here's a concept: all of you folks who are so vehemently opposed to this project should invest an equal amount of money and energy into figuring out how to bring some jobs to this blighted area. It's OK to say "No" to the LNG project, but you'd better have a good alternative in hand. Put up, or shut up.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
JIM wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:53 AM:
Jobs or no Jobs??
Four states refused LNG
What ever benefits will be off set by many
NEGATIVE results. REal Estate values will
decrease , and property values will go down. I will be one of the first to leave the area.
Jordan Cove has changed the plan at every
meeting and can not be trusted.Will gov't
ever learn. THis is a corporate deception and political FRAUD?!!!!!!
Four states refused LNG
What ever benefits will be off set by many
NEGATIVE results. REal Estate values will
decrease , and property values will go down. I will be one of the first to leave the area.
Jordan Cove has changed the plan at every
meeting and can not be trusted.Will gov't
ever learn. THis is a corporate deception and political FRAUD?!!!!!!
Not surprised wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:32 AM:
This doesnt surprise me in the least,Why would the courts even bother with taking time away to even hear anything that has to do with the southcoast.As far as a tsunami the earthquake that proceeds the wave will probably turn the spit into quicksand and the whole dang spit will disappear.
Jethro wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:07 PM:
I see this as victory for Coos Bay.
If a 100 foot tsunami strikes Oregon, the propane leak and explosion will be a minor event compared to the destruction the wave will bring. THINK!!!
Maybe you should file a lawsuit against the subduction zone that will send you that tsunami, instead, for all the good that you are doing.
In the case of a "terror attack" the resulting explosion would take out Empire with all it's meth labs. Thats a plus.
If a 100 foot tsunami strikes Oregon, the propane leak and explosion will be a minor event compared to the destruction the wave will bring. THINK!!!
Maybe you should file a lawsuit against the subduction zone that will send you that tsunami, instead, for all the good that you are doing.
In the case of a "terror attack" the resulting explosion would take out Empire with all it's meth labs. Thats a plus.
Moving Forward wrote on Mar 6, 2009 4:46 PM:
It's time to stop all of the obstacles to change. It's time to move forward in making our country energy independent. It's time to bring jobs to our depressed area. It's time....
No explanation equals unfairness and corruption for all Oregon citizens wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:59 PM:
How anyone can just pick & choose what case they want to hear, then deny to hear an appealed case without explanation! Dictorship at it's BEST & Corruption at it's WORSE!!!!!
Common Sense wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:11 PM:
WOW...there's a surprise Oregon Supreme court denies the appeal but no explaination given!
Go figure, signs up & down Highway 101 explaining how you are entering & leaving a Tsunami zone, how Oregon visiting centers give out pamplets showing visitors where the actual Tsunami zone is & stating up to 100 foot Tsunami waves can be expected! Knowing Jordon Cove Bob Braddock's plan is set for ONLY 55 foot Tsunami wave also with just a sand barrier!
Corruption at it's worse by denying without explaination this Tsunami zone issue that's been here for along time, thus Oregon citizen's safety is obviously not important, but foreign countries interests are obviously VERY important....SAD day for Oregon citizens & the entire USA!
Go figure, signs up & down Highway 101 explaining how you are entering & leaving a Tsunami zone, how Oregon visiting centers give out pamplets showing visitors where the actual Tsunami zone is & stating up to 100 foot Tsunami waves can be expected! Knowing Jordon Cove Bob Braddock's plan is set for ONLY 55 foot Tsunami wave also with just a sand barrier!
Corruption at it's worse by denying without explaination this Tsunami zone issue that's been here for along time, thus Oregon citizen's safety is obviously not important, but foreign countries interests are obviously VERY important....SAD day for Oregon citizens & the entire USA!
john wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:20 PM:
even if the jobs are filled by outsiders, the money they make will be spent here. and if it is coustodian jobs. that will still be that many more jobs in the area. people here will do any thing to live in the past even let their kids move away and grand kids. sad when you get old and have nothing better to do then stand in the way
To Dear Changes wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:36 PM:
Its really quite simple. MOVE. The current economic crisis is going to do nothing but compound the lack of jobs in this area. We are squandering a golden opportunity. Jobs are jobs...those people go buy things and eat. This creates jobs. Who cares WHO GETS HIRED as long as someone in this area GETS A JOB. GOOD LORD PEOPLE...WAKE UP!
What wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:35 PM:
I don't understand what "fried" means. You people act as if Natural Gas is like nuclear power. Natural gas is one of the safest forms of energy and a lot cheaper than electricity. As population grows there is a high demand for electricity. Would you rather have them build a Hydro-Dam to meet those needs. OOPS! thats right we can't do that. It would hurt the fish habitat. people need to get their heads out of the ground! They'd rather have us live in huts made out of grass/mud and making hemp shirts.
DEAR CHANGES wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:14 PM:
The LNG developer has told us that most of the jobs will be filled by outsiders. Will you please explain what you know that they don't? Also, why should I enjoy the possibilty of being fried so you can get one of the few low wage custodian jobs that they will offer?
Changes wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:52 AM:
Crooked Banks are losing our retirement funds and savings, playing the market. Then refusing to loan money for homes, because they lost to much. Government Bails out the Crooked banks and then taxes us to pay for it. Then the same Government bans the cutting of timber, one of Oregons Great renewable resources, taking away our jobs. I can understand why an activist in Eugene is against LNG building, he doesn't have to live here with the unemployement rates. But, why is Coos County so against change? Do they realize How much money and jobs LNG would bring into this area. If we don't change, this County is going to die. Without jobs the families will move out. And the only ones left will be the Old Retired people, that don't want to see this Quaint little coastal community change.
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