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Regulations wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:54 AM:
Madness wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:39 AM:
coos citizen wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:26 AM:
coos citizen wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 AM:
fredamae wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:18 AM:
Old research. Don't cite some test done back in 1974. Science is constantly getting better. Try searching "marijuana and testicular cancer" on google. In Feb. 2009 Scientists discovered Young males between the ages of 25-35. Who started smoking marijuana at an early age, and continued to smoke regularly. Are twice as likely to develope testicular cancer. Not normal testicular cancer but an aggressive form that is usually only seen in older males. I do my research."
The FACT they Knew the Cancer Fighting Benefits of Cannabis in 1974 is the Point! Yes, There ARE many more Modern State of the Art Studies Concluding Cannabis Kills Tumors. Testicular Cancer Is Not Rising Faster Than The Population. They use words like "may" and "possible"...They ADMIT these findings are Not conclusive.
Give me your resource! Until then, I Confidently advise that You Are Wrong! You use REEFER MADNESS to make people fear something that is Beneficial.
coos citizen wrote on Feb 27, 2009 8:09 PM:
fredamae wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:05 AM:
I wish I had found this earlier....
Hope some get to see this.
"What Does Each Test Measure?
Each type of test has different applications and is used to detect a specific drug or group of drugs. The Federal Drug-Free Workplace program, which serves as a model for accuracy and quality assurance in drug testing, relies on a urine test designed to detect the use of marijuana, opiates, cocaine, amphetamines, and phencyclidine (PCP). Urine tests can also be used to detect alcohol, LSD, and cotenine, the major metabolite of nicotine.
Following are summaries of the most commonly used tests:
Urine
Results of a urine test show the presence or absence of specific drugs or drug metabolites in the urine.Metabolites are drug residues that remain in the system for some time after the effects of the drug have worn off. A positive urine test does not necessarily mean the subject was under the influence of drugs at the time of the test. Rather, it detects and measures use of a particular drug within the previous few days."
fredamae wrote on Feb 25, 2009 6:01 AM:
In 1974, the US Gov't HID Scientific Findings of the Cancer Fighting Qualities of Cannabis. Look up "Phoenix Tears; Rune From The Cure, Cannabis Oil Cancer CURE."
A couple years ago, UCSF completed a Study that Proves Cancer Cells are Starved because Cannabis Blocks Oxygen Rich Blood from Feeding Tumors and they Shrank.
No one Has to Smoke Cannabis, there are Many Alternatives for Medicating; however, Regardless Cannabis REDUCES And PREVENTS Cancer.
Cannabis Does NOT Increase Incidence Of Cancer. PERIOD!
This Myth was a Lie before And Now WE Have Scientific Proof! You, on the other hand, Do Not!
There is NO PROOF That Testicular Cancer Is Increasing At A Rate Higher Than Population Growth. REEFER MADNESS, again.
Research, Before spewing "REEFER MADNESS"!
Those words give us all a good laugh though. Most people do research and have therefore learned Common Sense and Scientific Realities of Cannabis Consumption.
To Truly Improve Workplace Safety! Use Impairment Testing In The Workplace!
UA's Are A Waste Of Business And Corporate Dollars because They Do Not, Cannot Measure Impairment!
coos citizen wrote on Feb 23, 2009 3:54 PM:
fredamae wrote on Feb 21, 2009 8:06 AM:
Where is the Harm? When people say "they break the law"...Well, since No harm is surfacing by their acts, then why not Recognize it is the Laws, Rules and Policies that are causing public harm, Not Cannabis? Course of Action? Change the Laws!
Were it Not for the Laws, No one would know Most even use this herb, for pleasure Or Medical.
No one is safer for having a Cannabis consumer Locked up, but Law Enforcement keeps their budgets as does the Prison Industrial Complex.
Who Profits from Prohibition?
$10Billion Tax Dollars Annually for Just Cannabis Eradication, Oregon's Share is about 1% of that. We should be spending this on Treatment for Dangerous Drugs! Are You, the Tax Payer getting Any ROI?
Impairment Testing in the Workplace, End Prohibition. Lets get Sensible about this issue.
I have an idea wrote on Feb 20, 2009 11:08 PM:
Concerned wrote on Feb 20, 2009 10:37 PM:
AnneofOregon wrote on Feb 20, 2009 4:45 PM:
We should be more afraid of lunatics with guns than we should of medicinal marijuana users.
You gonna shoot people on Vicodin, too? Hope you got a good lawyer!
What a Shame wrote on Feb 20, 2009 1:25 PM:
2 the christians wrote on Feb 20, 2009 11:51 AM:
Bandon Guy wrote on Feb 20, 2009 11:30 AM:
fredamae wrote on Feb 20, 2009 6:05 AM:
...and "they" really depend upon Our ignorance and Willingness to "just go along" and believe Everything we are told.
WOW.
Impairment Testing Belongs In The Workplace, Not U.A.'s
UA's Do Nothing To Improve Workplace Safety! But They Do Cost Employers A Lot Of Money.
fredamae wrote on Feb 20, 2009 5:46 AM:
Ini 31, Ini 32 and Ini 33
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/elec/web_irr_search.search_form
They Want the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act REPEALED and EVERYONE to be forced to use a Synthetic, INEFFECTIVE BIGPharma Replacement Drug that Will cost Oregon Taxpayers A LOT of money. Marinol etc costs about $1800.00 per month per patient.
Not a Mary User wrote on Feb 19, 2009 7:15 PM:
AnneofOregon wrote on Feb 19, 2009 3:26 PM:
Those of us that have a prescription for medical marijuana generally GROW OUR OWN so we don't need to steal. And no, we don't NEED dope to kill the pain, we have found that the use of marijuana is a better alleviate of the pain than other, more traditional forms of medicine, like Percocet or Vicodin. Ever heard of alternative medicine? Marijuana has been used medically for hundred if not thousands of years by many cultures. Read a little ~ you might learn something.
Medicated wrote on Feb 19, 2009 2:43 PM:
please show me a police report where it states that someone under the influence of 'M' has been caught stealing or doing a crime for that matter.
you are thinking of a tweeker. Tweekers are the ones who rob and steal. Please do some research.
And do you take pills for stuff like headaches or muscle aches? I cant - im allergic and the medical card has helped me live and function. I am not a dope head or stoner - in fact i have probably seen you around town.
why not wrote on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM:
TO WHAT A SHAME wrote on Feb 19, 2009 10:40 AM:
Robbing, stealing and breaking and entering - I hate to tell you - is not the M.O. of someone stoned on pot. Now - go check out WalMart at 2 or 3am and you'll find the culprits...
Have you ever met an angry "pothead"? I haven't. Although, I've met angry people who were angry before they smoked a doobie!
Educate yourself about the cannibis culture before you go bashing it and comparing it to the "dope" game - which btw - in Coos County usually refers to METH.
420 wrote on Feb 19, 2009 10:30 AM:
Coos Bayanian wrote on Feb 19, 2009 10:06 AM:
New-to-Area wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:41 AM:
What a Shame wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:24 AM:
It is hard to get our political people to get laws passed reguarding dope and booze because they don't want any of their relatives put in jail.
Legalize It wrote on Feb 19, 2009 6:30 AM:
So you don't approve of morphine or oxycontin or Valium or Xanax, either.
I hope you never get any painful disease to test your resolve.
Vern Detmueller wrote on Feb 18, 2009 5:38 PM:
Currently, I refuse Pharmaceutical Candy and for good reason: There's a good reason why most of them are habit forming- MONEY. Pharms won't keep making money if you don't come back. Pharms even profit from illicit sales of their meds. Pharmaceuticals care nothing about you beyond the green in your pocket.
Take a close look at "The Drugfree Workplace Legislative group" and House Bill 2497. The biggest backers of this bill are the Pharmaceuticals, as it always is when Medical Marijuana comes up on the ballots.
fredamae wrote on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM:
You are Wrong, try using Science as your guide instead of Outdated Mis-information/Propaganda!
My statement IS on subject! LOL, We are talking about Workplace Safety. If that is the concern...Then Lets get Serious and Include ALL causes of Impairment since You seem to believe (mis-informed) that Cannabis Patients are Impaired because of UA results.
Pure and Simple, Employers are getting fleeced by Drug Testing services and UA Manufacturers...They Believe their employees are Not impaired, but that is Just a False Sense of Security.
I think you already know that, however.
fredamae wrote on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM:
You only believe that because of "REEFER MADNESS".
Cannabis is Still Medicine and Was Medicine Before Prohibition.
You drank the Same Kool-Aid I did, the difference Is; I threw mine away to choose Compassion and Common Sense.
What a Shame wrote on Feb 18, 2009 2:00 PM:
OReally wrote on Feb 18, 2009 1:52 PM:
"I've smoked pot since I was a freshman in high school and I've managed to hold down a great job.. A great family and well just a great life.. ALL WHILE SMOKING MARIJUANA.."
This guy must be in a UNION!!!!
To Kaye wrote on Feb 18, 2009 11:36 AM:
Yes we can nabis wrote on Feb 18, 2009 11:17 AM:
More than 700,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges last year, and more than 5 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana offenses in the past decade.
Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for simple possession, not trafficking or sale.
This is a misapplication of the criminal sanction that invites government into areas of our private lives that are inappropriate and wastes valuable law enforcement resources that should be focused on serious and violent crime.
Jethro McConnegal wrote on Feb 18, 2009 10:30 AM:
reader wrote on Feb 18, 2009 9:42 AM:
Shallow Al wrote on Feb 18, 2009 8:18 AM:
It's illegal to drive while under the influence of alcohol. A Dr. doing something wrong with a patient and being sued for alcohol use on the job is a no-no.
Once, in this country, it was illegal to use, consume or be in possesion of alcohol. Now they advertise it in front of your kids on TV.
How is your double standard today?
fredamae wrote on Feb 18, 2009 8:09 AM:
Cannabis Consumers Are Not Impaired 2-4 Hours Post Titration! Testing Positive For Cannabis Metabolites Does Not Infer, Indicate, Substantiate, Confirm and other wise in Any for VERIFY IMPAIRMENT! From The Science Comes Verification That UA Results Do Not Measure Impairment!
If Any Of You Want Safety Increased Then You Must Measure Impairment Levels and Not Substance Consumption!
Take this Demo Test!
http://www.bowles-langley.com/ACAccess.pdf
geez wrote on Feb 18, 2009 8:07 AM:
Legalize It wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:44 AM:
Is it so hard to stick to main issue? The issue concerns THC and it's various efffects on the central nervous system. People who use marijuana, for medicinal or recreational purposes, should not be at work and should not be driving around. If someone has THC in their system and is at work, they shold be terminated, regardless of when they toked. If someone is at home dying of cancer, why should anyone else care if they toke to ease the pain. By the way, I am also in favor of assisted suicide in the case of terminal illness or intractable coma, if a living directive is signed in front of a notary and witnesses. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
someone who cares for others wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:42 AM:
GOOD LUCK TO YOU!
Kaye wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:15 AM:
good luck when you are killed by someone driving stoned or your cab driver is high.
Good luck when you have surgery and your doctor is high in the workplace.
Good luck with a stoned dentist.
you expect people working sober, if you could be affected, right?
isn't this a double standard?
Families wrote on Feb 17, 2009 7:35 PM:
on the job wrote on Feb 17, 2009 7:24 PM:
Please wrote on Feb 17, 2009 6:59 PM:
what wrote on Feb 17, 2009 6:49 PM:
Shallow Al wrote on Feb 17, 2009 5:13 PM:
Tax it and allow those who choose to use it deal with any side affects
Cigarettes are legal!
I think we have a real dope problem in this are. There are far too many dopes!
Joe Bad wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:55 AM:
I would like to know why is Dr. Rusu testing his paients for marijuana?
Anywhere but here wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:04 AM:
Could you be ANY MORE stereotypical? Open your mind for chrissakes and allow yourself to think outside the crap that programmed your thinking.
Yes we cannabis wrote on Feb 17, 2009 10:29 AM:
*The re-legalization of marijuana in America would prevent the arrest of at least 900,000 people next year from their adding to the more than 20-million already arrested for pot since 1965.
*The re-legalization of cannabis would also allow America’s farmers to grow industrial hemp so that Detroit’s bail-out cars could be produced with domestically grown hemp fibers in their door panels, not foreign-grown, and that goes double for all the hemp in the hundreds of beauty and health food products that line the shelves of our nation’s stores.
NORML.ORG
NORML wrote on Feb 17, 2009 10:27 AM:
The human and personal costs to the 20-million Americans who have been arrested on marijuana charges are so high they are near impossible to calculate.
Are we too stupid to collect taxes on America’s multi-billion dollar marijuana business?? Our government has listed marijuana as one America’s most valuable agricultural crops every year for over the last quarter of a century—as marijuana will be again, next year. So, when is America going to WAKE UP AND TAX IT!!!??
fredamae wrote on Feb 17, 2009 9:56 AM:
Is this Consideration/Policy of Drugs ONLY for Cannabis or ALL drugs to include Nicotine, Caffeine, Sugar and OTC Allergy and Flu Preparations?
All can impair and ALL affect our Bodily function.
JUGGERNAUT wrote on Feb 17, 2009 8:15 AM:
Just legalize it ! People are going to use it anyway.
You just can't stop it !!
FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO TOKE !!!
to Mr. E wrote on Feb 17, 2009 6:38 AM:
You must be one of those parents that when your kids came home smashed on alcohol you couldn' tell either I'll bet.
Myself, not living under a rock with blinders on, can tell a mile away. Some not so subtle clues you might open your eyes to include the stuporous dazed look, lethargy, confusion, many others, as well as the ever present stench emanating from them. Some verbal clues include randomly exclaiming "huh," "whoa," and "dude!" while searching for the nearest bag of Frito's.
Legalize It wrote on Feb 17, 2009 1:41 AM:
GOOD LUCK wrote on Feb 16, 2009 10:04 PM:
I agree that people who work heavy, deadly machinery should not be intoxicated while at work. But what if he wants to partake in a puff on the weekend? That will get him fired. Heroin or meth would be fine, out of your system much quicker.
Bewildered wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:57 PM:
Former Resident wrote on Feb 16, 2009 4:44 PM:
So before you get on your tangent about "potheads" being lazy, worthless and good for nothing...
Just remember that one of the most famous US Athletes who won FOURTEEN gold medals at the OLYMPICS is... gasp!... a "pothead". And chances are - so are your neighbors - your doctors - your children's teacher - childs' best friend's parent - the list goes on and on.
Over half of the American population admits to smoking marajuana - regularly. And guest what? Not all of them are on welfare!
We'll save that for the meth heads and teen parents. Get a grip.
And in the words of Ben Harper -'before you knock it - try it first'. All things in moderation my friends. 'Nuff said.
Mr E wrote on Feb 16, 2009 3:28 PM:
Also, nearly killed because of a marijuana user? No person working with machinery should be allowed to be inebriated from ANY drug (legal or not), so if that took place with you, then your grievance should be with your employer, as well as the lunatic who should never have been in that position.
Most jobs do not require that level of caution. Most people who use pot (legally or not) do so without your knowledge.
CB wrote on Feb 16, 2009 3:08 PM:
People not in pain seem able to get and take all kinds of drugs, so why make it illegal for a person in pain to smoke pot.
Just don't put them in a job that could hurt anyone else on the job.
I am in pain all the time, and can't take anything that don't make me sick, and I wish I could take something. I don't smoke tho and don't want to start with pot...
Kaye wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:59 PM:
goes to show how it "does not affect you". No drunks, no pill poppers, no drug users in the workplace please. How would you like if you had surgery and your doctor had smoked some weed before?
It's all or nothing. If drunk driving is dangerous, driving high is the same. Are the pot smokers going to walk to work?
sisqkid wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:30 PM:
Rick wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:19 PM:
zool wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:15 PM:
And it is private... I totally disagree with notifying your employer of a Medical Card!
affected but clean wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 PM:
pills wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:02 PM:
Jethro wrote on Feb 16, 2009 11:45 AM:
BAN ALL MEDS FROM THE WORKPLACE.
fredamae wrote on Feb 16, 2009 10:16 AM:
As Long As Every Type of Drug use is Included, Legal and etc. Booze, Caffeine, Nicotine, Tylenol and etc.
Is this Not what DrugFree Oregon is All about?
In Addition, How about INCLUDING Doctors,Law Enforcement (Currently Exempt from Drug Testing), Judges, Lawmakers, OLCC workers, The Governor, EVERY PERSON who Makes their LIVING From the Expenditure of My Tax Dollars, they too Must pass a UA.
Oh, What do you ask a UA to tell us?
a email I once had wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:55 AM:
my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order
to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I
have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my
taxes to=20 people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I
have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no
problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have
a problem with helping someone sitting on their rump - --,doing drugs,
while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if
people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
I guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'.
Hope you all
will pass it along, though. Something has to change in this country --
and soon!!!!!!!
absurd wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:30 AM:
How many people come to work on an alcohol hangover sick as a dog or even miss alot of work.But alcohol is the biggest killer in the nation and that is ok! you people are hypocrits and you should be educating yourselves. Pot never hurt anyone. If there was an accident at your work it was because that person was naturally an idiot not because they smoked a joint you redneck!
Leave others to their own business and mind your own.
Pot needs to be legal for those with all kinds of problems. Welcome to the 21st century.
You all need to go to the library and get some brains!!!
fredamae wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:28 AM:
Prohibitionists are Clearly the Minority And OUR Own Lawmakers Generally Support Them!
Where Does Your State Senator, State Representative, US Senator's and US Congress person(s)stand on this issue?
fredamae wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:28 AM:
This Costs Oregonians about 1% (Percent) of the Total $11,000,000,000.00($11 Billion)
How is it that the "Opposing views" here share No proof there Is a Problem with OMMP Cardholders in the Work Place, No Science, No Argument to the Gov't Findings that workplace Accident rates are Falling in Spite of the OMMP Program?
How Can They? OMMP Cardholders Are Not Increasing Workplace Harzards/Dangers!
600,000 Will die this year from Adverse reactions to Legal Drug Use, not abuse.
All Illegal Drug use Combined with take 17,000 lives by comparison.
Cannabis= Zero Fatalities.
The Most Dangerous Element Surrounding Cannabis Consumption Are The Laws, Rules and Policies Governing It's Use, and YOU Know it!
To Pills wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:16 AM:
And those "adverse" side affects differ in what way from smoking a joint? LOL. Those are all classic "side effects" of smoking mj, many of which are DESIRED "side effects."
The feds need to sweep Oregon and California and clean house. I'd love nothing more than to see them threaten, and follow through if needed, to deny any and all federal funds to these states that choose to disregard federal drug laws. I'd be moving to another state, laughing throughout the whole drive.
is this for real wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:10 AM:
Anyone that says there is no comparison between the two needs to have their head examined. I'm sorry, but if you wanna get stoned, sit in your own home and suck down some Obama benefits while you toke up, but don't make me work next to you and pick up your slack.
Californian wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:38 AM:
fredamae wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:55 AM:
Cannabis, as contentious an issue as it is, is Still Medicine.
It is Not a Moral Dilemma, It Is A Consideration of Compassion towards our Sick and Hurting. At What Point does the Comfort and Wellbeing of our Friends and Family sink Below Compassion and Become a Moral Crusade Driven by People Who Are Not Using Science As Their Guide to rational Thinking? This Issue Is No Longer About Getting “Stoned”…Tho, “they” will tell you it is. It is about Health Care. Period.
Are you as disconnected as those who Create Solutions to Problems that Do Not exist?
Is Your Lawmaker Disconnected from reality as well?
Who Profits From Cannabis Prohibition?
When Will Cannabis Become A Matter Of Health Care And Not A Political Issue?
Talk to your Local Senator and Representatives!
Enough Discrimination Towards OMMP Participants.
fredamae wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:54 AM:
The Burden upon Social Services Has Declined because people are seeing doctors Less and Need Prescriptions Less!
fredamae wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:53 AM:
“I was nearly killed on a construction site by a marijuana user. What makes a "medical" user think they have the right to endanger others while they alleviate their own pain?”
Just because the UA resulted Positive Does Not Mean He/She was Impaired From It At The Time Of The Accident!
Any OMMP cardholder who is still Physically Capable of Working Does not Want to Work in An Unsafe Work Environ Either!
So you see, Cannabis Patients Do Not Pose Any Threat That Is Unique to Cannabis Therapy.
Medical Cannabis Patients Do Not Ask To Have Use At Work Accommodated! Period
fredamae wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:52 AM:
We can all understand how impaired a person suffering an Alcohol Induced hangover is, or Legal Prescribed drug use and etc.
fredamae wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:49 AM:
If Employers are truly concerned about workplace safety then Impairment Testing will be implemented and the UA will be dismissed. UA's do Nothing to improve Workplace Safety, period. . They are Not designed to demonstrate impairment only evident of a substance consumed. Employers waste their money and are left with a False Sense of Security by relying upon them.
Impairment Testing: http://www.bowles-langley.com/
rancher wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:22 AM:
The doctors cited in the article are too conservative in only trying medical marijuana after their patients have tried all the other options. Most of the pharmaceutical alternatives to marijuana are far more impairing and dangerous to the patients (and to fellow employees).
3000 Oregon doctors have qualified their patients for marijuana. There is no evidence of medical marijuana causing workplace accidents. Marijuana is a safe effective medicine when used appropriately. Our society can't afford the witch hunt against it any longer.
Pills wrote on Feb 14, 2009 12:10 PM:
Now if this law passes we have to make it fair for the rest of the drugs on the market, meaning your employer should be notified and have the right to terminate you based upon if you take any anti-depressants, or are on some kind of opiate based pill, or any medication at all. Every prescription drug gets abused and being medicated on medical marijuana is no different then going to work on any medication - medical marijuana should be treated as a medicine, and not carry a stigma because it's marijuana..
motherearth wrote on Feb 14, 2009 9:40 AM:
look at coos county it has PLENTY of reasons why its not the place to be. or as the locals say its the Meth captial of oregon..or when I was in HIGH School, the weed captial of oregon..
weed stays in your system for sometimes a month..where meth is a couple of days..EASY to get cleaned up for the urine tests..
But its just not coos county we all know..
but what I do on my time AFTER WORK AND NOT BEFORE WORK IS MINE AND MANY OTHERS BUSINESS..!!
I rather have a employee that smokes weed then come to work with a alcohol or a pain pill hangover..
Careprovider wrote on Feb 14, 2009 7:08 AM:
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Totsoc wrote on Feb 13, 2009 1:16 PM:
Every ones pain tolerance is different and fluctuating. Its been my experience that one size pain pill doesnt fit all.
Jethro wrote on Feb 13, 2009 1:10 PM:
Jessica wrote on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 PM:
Coos Bayanian wrote on Feb 13, 2009 11:52 AM:
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