Agencies eye LNG air impact

By Alexander Rich, Staff Writer
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If a liquefied natural gas terminal gets built on Coos Bay’s North Spit, some argue it would breathe life into the area’s static industrial sector. Others say it would make it harder for people to breathe.

There is little debate the terminal would produce air pollutants. The question is: How much?

In its federal application, Jordan Cove Energy Project details potential emissions for the terminal, as well as pollutants from LNG tankers coming to port. Added together, they account for hundreds of tons of pollution entering the air every year.

But those numbers are misleading, said Bob Braddock, project manager for Jordan Cove.

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission asks that companies predict how much their facilities could pollute if they run at full capacity — 365 days a year. Braddock expects the plant would operate on average at 75 percent capacity.

The federal government uses those highest-output scenarios to determine environmental quality standards. If emission levels exceed a certain threshold, the government can require very stringent permits and pollution controls on companies.

At first, it looked like Jordan Cove would avoid those federal standards, though its emissions for nitrogen oxide were close. The federal mandate is 250 tons per year, and Jordan Cove could put out 248 tons from its plant. Then, when federal and state officials were reading the draft Environmental Impact Statement, they noticed a discrepancy.

One section of the document suggested ship engines would be turned off while in port, using onshore power to unload LNG. Elsewhere in the document, the engines were said to be idling.

Both FERC and the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality require Jordan Cove to include the emissions from tankers produced during cargo unloading.

The thinking had been that the engines would be idling using onshore power, Braddock said, through a process called “cold ironing.” But after inspecting the fleet of tankers currently in service, it was determined that some ships didn’t have the equipment to operate that way.

The project manager said he still believes Jordan Cove can keep its emissions below the 250-ton level, meaning it will only have to seek permitting from DEQ, which enforces the federal Clean Air Act.

At the same time, attorneys for Jordan Cove have filed documents with FERC suggesting the company will pursue a Prevention of Significant Deterioration permit.

Martin Abts, a natural resource specialist for DEQ, said this means Jordan Cove would have to do more modeling to determine the impacts on local air quality and potentially spend more on pollution-reduction equipment.

He noted that Jordan Cove’s initial studying, which took into account meteorology, local topography and existing polluters, suggested the LNG plant wouldn’t violate air quality standards. Braddock said there are ways for the plant to reduce its emissions. They include having the LNG tankers use a fuel mixture with a higher concentration of natural gas or generate less energy from the terminal’s turbine generator.

“We can meet the standard,” Braddock said. “It’s a question of how to achieve it.”

He expects Jordan Cove to complete emission studies by the end of next week and submit amended air permits to the state within a month.

At least one local allergist thinks people will suffer despite the assurances of state and federal regulators. Dr. Joseph Morgan has argued the plant’s arrival might bring some jobs to the area, but it also will drive away retirees and tourists.

“There will inevitably be a significant detrimental effect on air quality and on the health of residents of the area to be felt acutely by some and chronically by others,” he wrote in a letter to FERC on Nov. 13, 2008.

 Morgan noted some patients couldn’t stay in the Bay Area when sawmills spewed smoke into the air. He believes that time might be coming again if an LNG plant is developed in the area.



The details


What: Jordan Cove Energy Project is re-examining its emissions for its proposed liquefied natural gas terminal at Coos Bay.


Why: The state insists the company needs to include air pollution generated from tankers, too, while unloading LNG to the plant in permit application.


Impact: Jordan Cove contends LNG tankers will be the cleanest ships plying the bay. DEQ hasn’t regulated ship exhaust in the past, including that of wood chip ships currently calling on Coos Bay, according to Martin Abts.

Braddock predicts the LNG tanker traffic, estimated at about 80 per year, would produce less emissions than the 50 or so wood chip ships making calls to port.


Historical perspective: Jordan Cove’s emissions wouldn’t be high as the former Weyerhaeuser container board plant that was on the North Spit, Abts said.


The Weyerhaeuser plant’s last permit, dated 1994, allowed it not to exceed 457 tons of particulate, 33 tons of sulfer dioxide, 1,899 tons of carbon monoxide, 208 tons of nitrogen oxide and 155 volatile organic compounds. Jordan Cove’s levels, not including ship emissions, are predicted at 37.3, 6.6, 174, 248 and 21.3 respectively. (See graphic for comparison with existing industrial facilities).
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Not from California sorry and this Lng is a scam sorry wrote on Feb 20, 2009 8:26 AM:

I think Jane & a few other educated posters that summed it up pretty well per the 200 words allowed to post in here! Biggest SCAM about this Lng is to the USA citizen, importing this air polluting fossel fuel from countries like Russia, Iran, Algeria & paying OVER 2 times more it also! I do feel sorry for the 400 Oregon citizen property owners going to be FORCED to sell 80 foot wide section of their land also! Ever notice how the PRO Lng people in here NEVER have FACTS in their support of this Lng SCAM & that's a SCAM by itself!

Scam wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:26 PM:

Once again I am never shocked at the terms and words that are thrown out there trying to scare people from supporting the LNG terminal. I really doubt you all are worried about the air quality, or other peoples property with a burried pipeline, a tsunami hazard, or anything else that has been brought up and used. Here is the real reason, you don't want this area to change in any way shape or form. You have moved here from Clifornia to retire from the life of hussle and bussle and you don't want it here. Just admit it and quit using all the other excuses that I have already brought up. Scam scam scam!!!! Come on, in what way is it REALLY going to affect your life as far as a scam? "It's only for Californina" you all say. I say, SO WHAT!!!!! Does it bring in money for our schools and local goverment? "YES" Does it provide jobs? "YES" Is it clean? "YES". Don't use the ships emissions as an excuse because I guarantee the tourism that comes in from HWY 101 is by far more pollutant to our air quality that a ship sitting at idle.

At first glance wrote on Feb 19, 2009 2:44 PM:

Over 4 years ago I first heard about the LNG Terminal. I thought, "Oh, a business on the North Spit." It only took a few minutes of investigation to have a bunch of unanswered questions. LNG is a bad deal for us and pipeline route property owners. We need another plan from our leaders. Something that won't hurt & diminish our quality of life. Let's bring in a staging area for E-cars from Japan. Wind turbine manufacturing. I don't hear our leaders looking for other things. This LNG is 'old school'. We need leaders with a future and decentralized power for Coos County. And, yes, our air quality will be serverly impacted. Just ask our local allergist, Dr. Morgan.

ever notice how some posters have nothing to offer to discussion wrote on Feb 19, 2009 7:06 AM:

Interesting how someone obviously is ignorant or profiting from this Lng & has nothing to offer to support it with facts & can only say "WOW"? Very true on interesting blog reads in here, very amusing (riot)!

P.S. I agree with the poster this Lng is a SCAM to Oregon & the entire USA, due to the dependence on foreign hostile countries like Russia, Iran, etc, besides being a polluter & finally being Over 2X more EXPENSIVE vs USA drilled natural gas, besides taking land away from 400 Oregon citizens!

wow wrote on Feb 19, 2009 12:45 AM:

Did I seriously just read someone scold another for being ignorant and then actually say "get educationed"? Wow. Sometimes reading the blogs is a riot.

Resident wrote on Feb 18, 2009 10:20 AM:

North Bend Resident--Could it be the restaurant across the street?

Anyone supporting this lng scam is uneducated or profiting from it wrote on Feb 18, 2009 8:36 AM:

Only winners on this Lng SCAM are the Port commissioners (Collect tax revenue off this SCAM & then dumping into their other SCAM project the rail line) & Union construction workers praying they get some temporany jobs building the pipeline through 400 Oregon citizen's land on it's way to Northern California to sell the EXPENSIVE gas (OVER 2 times more expensive then what Oregon citizens are paying right now)! Get educated on this Lng SCAM & you'll say NO too!

Hahaha wrote on Feb 17, 2009 7:47 PM:

North Bend Resident:

Are kidding me? You cant breath at times because of a pile of wood chips? You do realize that our saw mills are run by electrical power, right? You do realize that there is NO emissions coming from electrical motors? You do know that there NO emissions coming of a pile of wood chips. Good Lord, you must live in a metal house with metal furniture. Hey, I know, lets shut down the library because of all the paper made from wood chips!!!

Do you people really think before you write? You know, we may be a old logging town, but we are NOT DUMB!!!!!!

Logger Larry wrote on Feb 17, 2009 3:41 PM:

In 1980 when there was 20 mills running all at one time 24/7. Why wasn't this an issue then?

Coos County is on the verge of going into the toilet. We better find something or there won't be enough toilet paper for everyone.

huh wrote on Feb 17, 2009 6:25 AM:

someone wrote "Please check the air quality due to the Chip pile in North Bend. It is very hard to breathe the
air at times."

I'm, well, speechless... is this person for real? I'm kind of at a loss as to how a pile of wood chips is now some kind toxic pollutant. Do trees in their "unchipped" form also cause you problems? LOL

bfaithful wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:46 PM:

The truth is out before you start insulting people for being ignorant the gas will be natural gas in the pipeline that crosses all sorts of unstable and high fire risk areas how could you not even know that I live in a retirement area and I do construction and my wife is a nurse and we make over a hundred grand a year and our clients are mostly old people Dear taxes ditto in eureka cal the mills closed they put on their thinking caps and an economic recovery was fueled by diverse small businesses
You have some of the most beautiful coast in the world for tourism and the first tidal generation plant in the country do be scared be smart and don’t invite another risky polluting industry into your home

I am a registered republican and dont want this lng here or in the usa wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:30 AM:

Lng is OLD way of thinking people, anytime you increase your dependence on foreign countries (Hostile ones like Russia, Iran, Algeria, etc) for anything especially energy needs, you are worse off (Anyone remember the 1970's oil embargo where OPEC stopped selling to the USA & oil/gas prices tripled in a very short period of time???)! A no brainer on this being bad for Oregon & the USA, very little to gain (A few extra tax dollars, that'll just be dumped into Oregon's welfare system, rail line or New Aiport programs that are in debt), but alot to lose (Higher natural gas prices, due to Lng being OVER 2 times more expensive then gas used by Oregon citizens now, Oregon land lost, especially to the 400 directly affected citizens that will lose 80 foot wide section of their land, air polluter & safety issues that will NEVER get better)! This Republican says NO this useless Lng idea & SCAM is a good word to describe it also!

Jane wrote on Feb 14, 2009 7:52 AM:

Rocco St.Bruno,

Who cares about retirees and tourists? I do because OVER 700K tourists visit Oregon a year & spend MILLIONS of dollars here. Baby boomer retirements will make up 1/3 of the whole USA population within 10 years, thus MILLIONS if not in the BILLIONS of spendable money! Get educationed & you'll won't make ignorant statements in here & won't support a SCAM project like this California LNG is, that will pollute the air, produce NO full time jobs to locals here due education & experience requirements & take away 80 foot section of land from 400 Oregon property owners! What little tax revenue produced from this will only be DUMPED into the indebt projects like the rail line, New Airport, etc.! Get educated & you'll say NO to this California LNG SCAM too!

everyman wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 PM:

Dear Jane,

1 - Has the OR supreme ruled on it yet? No.

2 - Check out the Hazmat signs on the back of the gas tankers that drive right through the middle of town, if you want to talk burn zone.

3 - And the California way is the best way, is it?

4 - Today, yes, tomorrow? Who knows?

5 - A pipe...underground...you mean like swer pipes, and power lines, and fiberoptic lines...

6 - Appomatox...in ancient pipelines, built LONG before current regulations and guidelines were in effect

7 - Soon, there will be no fishing allowed and noboby on the airline flights, so what does it matter?

8 - Nobody qualifies for the jobs...what a short-sighted, selfish statement. Then bring the workers here and let our children get the educations needed to get those jobs down the road...

Good grief, Jane, from the sound of your cut-and-paste argument, it sounds like you haven't understood anything for a long time...

the truth is out wrote on Feb 13, 2009 9:40 PM:

Dear Jane get your facts straight!!! The gas company in Appomattox County, VA is a natural gas company, NOT LNG. This link will take you to the story. http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=185&Itemid=60 . the next link is to the company who’s line exploded. And clearly states the have ONLY natural gas. http://www.williams.com/ . just another example of how you people make stuff up to try and convince people. You are old sad people who have nothing better to do then chase young people out of the area by keeping out jobs.

Taxes wrote on Feb 13, 2009 9:07 PM:

We need as much tax revenue coming in as we can. The LNG terminal will bring in the much needed money to help keep our roads and schools open. I really don't see any other option. Think about it, with all the timber mills gone, we have lost millions of dollars from the tax revenue. So unless these retired people who keep writing in against everything, please come up with a resonable solution, or start handing out money. How about paying the folks who have lost their jobs lately? How about paying those school teachers who will be losing their jobs? All I ever hear from you all is "NO" "NO" "NO"!!! Please, give us all another option. What is this community to do when all the industry we have depended on finally picks up and leaves? The economy is poor and it's not like we see companys knocking down our door and moving in. Tourism is only so good and the one thing we have is the Oregon Dunes, and you all want that shut down. Again, please, what are we supposed to do? So no complaining when our roads deteriate and our children fall short of an eductaion.

Rocco St.Bruno wrote on Feb 13, 2009 3:13 PM:

Who cares about retirees and tourists? For once let's try and take care of the residents. The timber industry is gone and it is never coming back. We need to find an industry that would move into the area and pay a livable wage to it's employee's. I just don't understand the logic, everyone gets all excited when McDonald's opens and offers minimum wage jobs and at the same time does everything they can to stonewall an industry that will actually bring some economic growth to the area. I think we are all being set up for failure.

Jane wrote on Feb 13, 2009 9:21 AM:

Mr E,

What part of the following don't you understand:

1) Structure at Jordan Cove will NOT meet DLCD 2002 Tsunami zone reqrmts (Appealed to Oregon Supreme court).

2) UNSafe situation of LNG ships having known 2 mile hazard burn zone & traveling within a 1/2 mile of populated area here (affecting 17,000 people).

3) California & many areas have rejected LNG for being a air polluter.

4) LNG is 2X more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon citizens.

5) How 400 Oregon property owners will be FORCED to sell their land to foreign investors.

6) How explosion in Appomattox County, VA could happen here (Miles instead of yards).

7) How LNG ships will have negative effect on fishing boats & NEW Airport flights.

8) How no local will qualify for full time jobs at Jordan Cove due to education & experience requirements.

This LNG SCAM is not worth the little tax money collected (Going to be dumped into wasted projects like rail line, New Airport, etc) vs HUGE safety risks involved! Every poll taken & even Oregon's Dept of Energy says NO to this SCAM!

SOPHIEC wrote on Feb 13, 2009 8:05 AM:

WHY DOES THE WORLD ALWAYS BRING US PART OF THE STORY? COULD IT BE THAT THEY ARE A LNG SUPPORTER? DID THEY CONVENIENTLY FORGET THAT THE CITIZENS OF COOS COUNTY PASSED A LAW LONG AGO THAT PROHIBITS MORE THAN ONE TON OF CRAP INTO THE AIR ANNUALLY FROM ANY BUSINESS ON THE NORTH SPIT? ANSWER THAT ONE IN YOUR REPORT BOB BRADDOCK, PLEASE.

Old timer wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:47 PM:

From reading this article, I'm surprised the old mill workers that have worked and lived here over the years are not dead. I remember when you couldn't drive more that a mile without seeing a mill at work. With all the emissions of the old days, those people must be dropping like flies!!! Just think, there was a time when we had no fewer than four shipping vessels in the bay at one time. GOLLY GEE!!!! (cough-cough)!!! To all you old folks who have lived here, run I say, RUN to the doctors and get new lungs!!! I wonder how all those floks in San Fransisco and Seattle live?

Oh yeah, I hope Dr. Josheph Morgan is right. I hope the new LNG does drive out the stuffy retired folks who live here and do nothing but complain and whine when something new comes calling. They are nothing but Cal transplants anyway. I compare them to a weed that you cant get rid of.

North Bend Resident wrote on Feb 12, 2009 8:23 PM:

Please check the air quality
due to the Chip pile in North Bend.
It is very hard to breathe the
air at times.

enough already wrote on Feb 12, 2009 2:31 PM:

LNG is dead, some people are to dense to get it. Domestic gas has snuffed the imported gas market. The port should move on and quit beating this dead horse.

Friend from the south wrote on Feb 12, 2009 12:56 PM:

LoL People couldnt even stay in the area because of smoke from saw mills? All the home fire places and burn barrels put out more smoke then that. With people like this your whole area is doomed to fail. No wonder you only have jobs at walmart and taco bell.

Common Sense wrote on Feb 12, 2009 12:45 PM:

You gonna have another bought & paid for by you study con man Bob Braddock, like your famous structure at Jordan Cove is safe against a 100 foot Tsunami wave one, like your famous 400 pole taken, then stating how the majority of Oregon citizens want your California LNG SCAM? Do something honest for a change, like keeping your word you said a couple of years ago:

Quote: "IF Oregon doesn't want me or LNG I'll be gone"

Obviously, with Oregon leaders/citizens fighting your air polluter, environmental issues, 400 Oregon property owners not wanting you...I think it's time for that song to start playing.....Hit the road Jack & don't come back no more no more no more, hit the road Jack...

Mr E wrote on Feb 12, 2009 12:33 PM:

Please, if you're against the LNG facility, stick to reasonable and rational arguments. Stick to arguments about earthquakes/tsunamis, or possible explosions or pollution from leaks in the facility or the transport pipes.

Do not use buzz wods like "air pollution" and "terrorism" regarding this facilty. Why is "air pollution" lumped in there? Well, there is almost never stagnant air in this part of the state. This facility would not produce overwhelming amounts of pollution compared to many industries that were here (and are here, if you want to include vehicles), and even if it did, there is enough distance between the facility and the nearest homes (across the bay) to dilute the pollutants enough so as not to cause a hazard. Heck, there are facilities operating in the Willamette Valley that put out much higher pollution numbers, and are located within the cities (on top of the occasional stagnant air, and the pollution problems caused by it).

Heck, this area used to be full of dirty ships and many waterfront air polluters. General air quality was not all that poor... it was the WATER and SHORE that were most damaged.

Really wrote on Feb 12, 2009 12:33 PM:

But those numbers are misleading, said Bob Braddock, project manager for Jordan Cove.

And Bob Braddock knows ALL about misleading numbers.


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