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Family man wrote on Feb 24, 2009 4:15 PM:
Sounds like most of these people are retired with a fixed income. And yet they still don't want the city to make any money. Atv people bring money to or gas stations, dealerships, hotels,food joints and ect. Don't let a few bad atv folks kill or town.
yrtapr wrote on Jan 22, 2009 4:31 PM:
I would like to see step put down on the other side of horsfall, like they are going up for all of us walkers of the beaches. We now have to walk the atv trail to access the beach because of storms erosion of sand.
wondering wrote on Jan 21, 2009 5:37 PM:
Having been to the park, I think it might be good to have a shuttle service until direct access is approved. This park is possible due to ATV funds not local tax dollars.
Invetation wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:31 AM:
this is an open invetation to any of you "Garbage Haters" my friends and I will be down at the coast in a few weeks I invite any of you to come take a ride in either a very nice buggy or a well equiped 4x4 truck and we will go look for trash on the sand dunes. we will see how much garbage there is on the sand. Any takers? perfect chance to prove all the people on here wrong...
Fred wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:27 AM:
no noise or garbage, seems to me that "Local" made a valid point in his questions, why would someone that does not like people, noise or atv's move close to the dunes? seems ignorant to me must have moved here from Kalifornication? Since you are an old man and getting you social security check I can see why you do not like jobs in this area. By the way I filed my taxes today, your welcome
Local busniess wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:19 AM:
seems like you are skirting the issue, the issue is about the shuttle service, you cannot come up with a decent arguement after you find out it is funded by atv dollars just like how the ranch was purchased, so why are you complaining again? You just need something to bitch about in you meaningless lives apparently? busniess was spelled wrong on purpose there smart guys....
Steve-0 wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:13 AM:
no noise I have never read something so assinine in my whole life. you actually think that people are going to pay the cost of fuel these days to drive clear to eugene and wayste a day on there vacation to save .39 on hot dogs? Think about this LOGICLY(or is this to big of word for you?) if they saved $100 at costco it is still going to cost $75 for fuel to get there and back...I know you are going to say it is not going to cost that much in fuel, remember they pulled a trailer with a truck to get to the sand, truck= bad diesel milage. you do the math...
That Guy wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:05 AM:
Al the Idiot, for having as much money as you claim you don't seem real smart. you think that these 40' toy hauler trailers with diesel trucks are cheap not counting what is in them? You need to take a closer look at who is in the higher end of the tax bracket. When we pull into myrtlewood in our half million dollar prevost bus with my stacker trailer and yes 2 150 grand buggys come over we can talk about paying taxes. whip it out lets see
local guy wrote on Jan 21, 2009 2:58 AM:
No noise or garbage, since you have lived here so long what did you do for employment? probably a logger, fisherman, mill worker? Something that is long gone from this area. So I raise the question what do I do for a living? Fact of the matter is that there is some garbage left sure you get bad apples in everything. I am not an atv user but it is hard for me to hold contempt against all the people that bring money to this area god knows it cannot support itself anymore..
no noise or garbage wrote on Jan 20, 2009 4:36 PM:
For local..I was born here 71 years ago...nice and quiet and no garbage all over the place...If your business has to depend on these rude ill mannered ATV people then you are a real poor business person and in the wrong type of business....Get a life moron
local.. wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:00 PM:
Noise Hater...why would you live near the dunes? Unless you have lived there a long time there were ATV's when you chose to buy there. Do you believe you are so important that the rules should change because you chose to live there? The people I know that use the dunes shop locally...
Al the Pal wrote on Jan 19, 2009 11:39 AM:
Local business:
I would hazard to guess I pay more taxes, income and otherwise, than you or a majority of the readers.
Phonetically speaking:
Busy-Ness
Describes you to a tee.
If you wanna compare size, let me know.
I would hazard to guess I pay more taxes, income and otherwise, than you or a majority of the readers.
Phonetically speaking:
Busy-Ness
Describes you to a tee.
If you wanna compare size, let me know.
Noise hater wrote on Jan 19, 2009 5:28 AM:
to local business.you should learn how to spell business...yes i know that the nearest costco is in eugene thats why 5or 6 groups get together and send a few up there to shop...that way they split the cost of gas....dont tell me it doesnt happen that way because i know some who do it and yes i live right here in the middle of your sandbox...you act like maybe a 3 year old Are you??????
Beach Man wrote on Jan 18, 2009 5:50 PM:
I am not an ATV user but I walk on the beach alot. I choose to not walk on the beaches that allow motor vehicles. Why is there so much trash on the beach where I walk then? Seems there is more trash from people that walk in than there is on the beaches where people drive. I am not from this area so I do nto know the politics but when i see a family enjoying a sport together that just makes sense!!
out of town user wrote on Jan 18, 2009 5:42 PM:
I can't believe how the people of that area do not support the industry considering how much money is spent in there town. I can personally tell you about thousands of dollars I have spent in that area, at the casino, the grocery stores, the gas stations, not to mention waiting until I get down there to purchase new atv's at the Yamaha shop. Seems like it is just the retired folk that want the change they can't leave it the way it has been for many years...
Local busniess wrote on Jan 18, 2009 5:37 PM:
Al the Pal, mayby you should pay more taxes to fix your roads, the off-road people allready pay for what they use why are you not doing your part for what you use? Seems to me that a shuttle means creating county jobs that are paid for by the camp ground users, are you saying the area needs less jobs? Where do you work I would love to move back to the coast and make a living.
Noise Hater, you must not be from the area like you CLAIM or you would know the nearest Costco is over 100 miles away... try another bucket that one will not hold water.
Noise Hater, you must not be from the area like you CLAIM or you would know the nearest Costco is over 100 miles away... try another bucket that one will not hold water.
Al the Pal wrote on Jan 18, 2009 3:14 PM:
On a beautiful, warm clear day, with thousands of people out on the dunes having fun, I noticed the same increase in my income as I did on the foggy, cold night last winter when not a soul was out there.
Sure helps me out!
Thanks!
If you double the people at the dunes, I could double my income from it.
0 X 0 = ?
Sure helps me out!
Thanks!
If you double the people at the dunes, I could double my income from it.
0 X 0 = ?
Alan Greenspan wrote on Jan 18, 2009 10:24 AM:
So, some of you think the ATV industry doesn't help your community financially, is that it? Tourism generates revenue, period. Some may not agree with the noise, or the traffic or the governmental distribution of funds but the same is true of any touist attraction in Anytown, USA. You may not have the hassles of professioanl sports stadiums or Nascar tracks in Coos Bay but you should be thankful that you have something to draw others from neighboring communities, neighboring states and even from across the country to help boost your local economy. The Oregon Dunes will continue to be a tourist destination for the beauty and wonder they offer those that use them. The Oregon Coast has hundreds of miles of coast line suitable for quiet retirement communities, for those that prefer that setting. It mustn't be forgetten that the Oregon dunes have been set aside for the enjoymant of ALL who use them.
ODNRA Enthusiast wrote on Jan 18, 2009 10:11 AM:
We always shop locally when we're there. Didn't even know there was a Costco. Anyone who's ever been to a Costco knows it takes a half a day just park, get in and get out with a couple things. Who would waste that much time on a vacation? We bring supplies but invariably we go town for forgetten items daily. Ever forget? Happens to us. Sure, we fill our tanks to get there but we don't pack with us enough gas to get home too. We have to fill up before we leave for home. We don't drive back to Seaatle to get what we need while we're there, we BUY IT LOCALLY.
Senator wrote on Jan 18, 2009 9:54 AM:
I would like to address the point about debris being left left behind. I totally agree, there is far too much carelessness with littering in our beloved dunes (and forests and highways and...) That's why groups of true ATV'ers get together to form organized clean up efforts. It's all volunteers donating their time to help the sport and dunes they love. Been hiking lately? I have. Hikers before me left the trail full of wrappers and bottles and other debris that we picked up after them. I'm sure most don't but some did. That's no reason to close foot traffic in the woods is it, because some littered while others clean it up? There will always be those who help and those who hurt. Don't judge them by their favorite pastime because that has nothing to do with it.
Noise hater wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:18 AM:
These people do NOT spend as much money here locally as you think they do..Almost ALL of the food and fuel they bring with them ...When the need to restock 4 or 5 will get together and send a party to costco and buy almost ALL of the stuff there...What we end up with is the wrappers and styrofoam containers bottles and cans that they leave scattered all over the place...Wake up look around open your eyes and ears see why we dont want them here..
SJ wrote on Jan 17, 2009 8:55 PM:
I dont think they do spend much money here VS all the trash they leave behind, noise they make, and amount of environmental impact that they bring to our area.
Think about it. They buy all their groceries, and gas before they get here cuz its cheaper where they come from. They dont show up with no food and empty tanks and they stay in their trailers.
Dune flockers=NOT really all that great for local economy as it seems.
Think about it. They buy all their groceries, and gas before they get here cuz its cheaper where they come from. They dont show up with no food and empty tanks and they stay in their trailers.
Dune flockers=NOT really all that great for local economy as it seems.
quadnkev wrote on Jan 17, 2009 5:20 PM:
The naysayers are most likely recent implants from our lower neighbor and have enough money to not need to be part of the local economy.
The ATV Riley Ranch was donated for the use of Horses and ATV users.
Out of state groups should not be able to influence decisions regarding our citizens use of Oregon lands.
How does a person enjoy the dunes without a means to traverse the terrain?
Rarely is there a footprint in the sand far from a vehicle track.
These environmental groups are victimizing persons with mobility issues who will be excluded from their rightful enjoyment of public lands if only "Hikers" are allowed to make use of areas they wish to keep only for their own kind.
Much use of ATV funds is subverted for non ATV use, this is wrong, also the fuel taxes paid by off-road users is not rightfully accounted for either.
The ATV Riley Ranch was donated for the use of Horses and ATV users.
Out of state groups should not be able to influence decisions regarding our citizens use of Oregon lands.
How does a person enjoy the dunes without a means to traverse the terrain?
Rarely is there a footprint in the sand far from a vehicle track.
These environmental groups are victimizing persons with mobility issues who will be excluded from their rightful enjoyment of public lands if only "Hikers" are allowed to make use of areas they wish to keep only for their own kind.
Much use of ATV funds is subverted for non ATV use, this is wrong, also the fuel taxes paid by off-road users is not rightfully accounted for either.
Sandflicker wrote on Jan 17, 2009 4:25 PM:
Great idea. The only way to get campers over to Riley Ranch - would be to create a way to access the Dunes. If a road can't be put in, a shuttle might work. That shuttle would be awfully busy though.
Al the Pal wrote on Jan 17, 2009 9:58 AM:
Soooo...
We get to drive on un-maintained roads while the tourists are shuttled about at our expense?
This entire idea sounds totally....Iranian!
Any user fees involved? Maybe we could line up and wash their cars while they play.
We get to drive on un-maintained roads while the tourists are shuttled about at our expense?
This entire idea sounds totally....Iranian!
Any user fees involved? Maybe we could line up and wash their cars while they play.
Senator wrote on Jan 17, 2009 9:54 AM:
The county has your best interests as a county resident at the forefront of their mind when they try to generate revenue for you and your county bretheren...think about that.
If ATV's stopped coming to your community today, by the end of summer a three bedroom house in your town would cost $10,000 because very few would have a job or any other means to live there...think about that.
Given the size of the population of Coos Bay when compared with the size of the population of ATV Enthusiasts that flock there to enjoy the dunes, the group that pays more in taxes may be up for grabs...think about that.
If ATV's stopped coming to your community today, by the end of summer a three bedroom house in your town would cost $10,000 because very few would have a job or any other means to live there...think about that.
Given the size of the population of Coos Bay when compared with the size of the population of ATV Enthusiasts that flock there to enjoy the dunes, the group that pays more in taxes may be up for grabs...think about that.
Senator wrote on Jan 17, 2009 9:53 AM:
Who will pay taxes in your town when all the shops close and everyone is out of work...think about that.
Senator wrote on Jan 17, 2009 9:50 AM:
It's being funded by all the people who come to your town and spend their money...think about that.
Many of your local shops would close if not for the tourist enjoyning the dunes...think about that.
Many of your local shops would close if not for the tourist enjoyning the dunes...think about that.
JCA wrote on Jan 17, 2009 9:34 AM:
Riley Ranch a beautiful piece of property but just like the campground at Tenmile Lake, it's a very rough work in progress. Perhaps the county should hve finished Tenmile before they started working on Riley. It's been years and Tenmile still looks like a wasteland. Finish one thing before moving onto another!
Dune lover wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:01 PM:
I think the shuttle is an EXCELLENT idea! It is a real pain to have to hook up at a campground, and then unhook everything just because there is no direct dune access. That is why other campgrounds with direct dune access are so popular. I would also think that this would generate a decent amount of revenue for the county.
ATV Club President wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:57 PM:
So many of you are blind. apparently you should do some reading or talking befoer oppening your oppinions.... The county did not purchase Riley Ranch with your tax money, it was purchased with ATV funds paid in by ATV users, NOT you. you have no expense out of pocket as a taxpayer. A minimal amount of money from the profit made from the campers in Riley ranch is paying for the shuttle service. Once again try reading or asking someone that has more information on the situation. Try being informed before you form your oppinions will hold more water.
Towman wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:52 PM:
Well apparently you people who is against this shuttle don't have a clue as to how much money the ATVers spend to be able to operate there bikes on the sand. These funds pays for a whole lot of stuff. Also, what do you think that the county is going to do with the money that they make onb camping fees there. I would think that a portion of that money will be spent to run the shuttle.
Love The Dunes wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:40 PM:
This is a great temporary solution for this obsticle regarding dune access and if I had to pay a couple extra dollars in my camping fee to cover the cost of transport that would be fine too. Thank you Coos Bay parks department for this service.
I haven't camped at Riley because of the inability to access the dunes. We bring our quads in a 5th wheel and the last thing we want to do is load everything back up in it to go riding and then come back and re-park it.
I haven't camped at Riley because of the inability to access the dunes. We bring our quads in a 5th wheel and the last thing we want to do is load everything back up in it to go riding and then come back and re-park it.
NO WAY wrote on Jan 16, 2009 7:58 AM:
I cannot believe the County is doing this. Why didn't they do their homework BEFORE buying a piece of land that is vertually worthless. Really, does anyone know who made the decision to transport people and their ATV's to the Dunes? What vehicle are they going to use? How much did that cost?
SAND PIG wrote on Jan 15, 2009 11:17 PM:
why not generate some revenue. with 20 million dollars a year being spent here by atv users. the money generated wood help the county and our area at the same time. if the forest service had completed the impact study on time Riley would have all ready been up and running.
Ahh.. Sword of Damocles wrote on Jan 15, 2009 10:29 PM:
A reminder that for a powerful man, there's always danger, although the real point of the story is that happiness is fragile. Applicable to what? Please select anecdote's that would better suit the topic. Your saying it would be wrong for the county to partake in the hundreds of thousands of dollars paid annually by campers to the forest service only?
Kaye wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:55 PM:
and why can't they charge for it???
I do not see any reason go have us, the locals, pay to shuttle tourists around.
They have enough money to blow on vacations on gas and their noisy air polluting ATVs
I do not see any reason go have us, the locals, pay to shuttle tourists around.
They have enough money to blow on vacations on gas and their noisy air polluting ATVs
Thomas wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:38 PM:
This whole Riley Ranch idiocy is a liability Sword of Damocles ........ expect the worse.
local duner wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:04 PM:
Well sure sounds like the county has lots of taxpayer money to spend on these out-of-towmners. But what will happen if an atv falls off the trailer and is totaled cuz it wasn't tied down securely, then the county has to buy them a new atv! WHAT A WASTE
Coos Baynian wrote on Jan 15, 2009 4:15 PM:
To Chato: Usually people coming from out of town pull their ATVs on trailers behind their RVs. Have you ever got to a RV park and just parked your motor home? If people are staying two or three nights they won't wish to hook everything back up to take their ATVs to another park to play in the dunes and then back to Riley Ranch. Thanks to whomever thought of the idea and I hope it pulls in additional revenue for them.
ATV RIDER-CAMPER wrote on Jan 15, 2009 3:33 PM:
THIS IS A GREAT IDEA AND IT WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO CAMP OUT THERE. GOOD JOB COUNTY PARKS.
Chato wrote on Jan 15, 2009 3:21 PM:
If campers at Riley can transport their quads to the campground, they should be able to get them over to the staging area without te county's help!
sandman wrote on Jan 15, 2009 2:35 PM:
by using a shuttle the county can create revenue by getting campers to stay at riley ranch. good job parks
Local Taxpayer wrote on Jan 15, 2009 1:45 PM:
Not a $mart idea, gas expense-wise and insurance liability-wise.
WHO comes up with these brainstorms anyways?!?
WHO comes up with these brainstorms anyways?!?
Kurt wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:44 PM:
Really. The county has money available to shuttle ATV riders around? There's a worthwhile use of taxpayer dollars.
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