Challenge stalls effort to create ATV mecca

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HAUSER — When Coos County purchased the 135-acre Riley Ranch near Hauser in 2002, the county’s dream was for it to become an ATV mecca, complete with dunes access by this summer.

Not so fast.

A national environmental group —  the Center for Biological Diversity, based in Tucson, Ariz. — has taken issue with the plan, which requires a nearly 1-mile designated county trail through two plots of National Forest lands. The trail would connect Riley Ranch with an 80-acre county-owned parcel in the heart of the Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area (see map), giving access to the dunes at large.

“It has captured the attention of some interests we hadn’t heard from previously,” said Central Coast District Ranger Pam Gardner.

The center’s points of contention are specific and steeped in legalese, put forth in the form of more than 300 letters sent to the Forest Service during a public comment period about the proposal in September.

The comments prompted the Forest Service to take a second look at the project.

Meanwhile, Riley Ranch will enter another summer without its most enticing feature — direct ATV access to the dunes.

“We’ve had to go back to square one,” said Coos County Parks Director Larry Robison. “We won’t be able to start construction on the trail, I would say, until August.”

Best-case scenario is it should be open by 2010. And that’s a long shot.

It assumes the Forest Service can shore up the issues raised, and that nothing more will come up when another environmental analysis is published in February.

The center contends the Forest Service isn’t following its own rules. It complains the  agency failed to designate motorized trails within an allotted three-year period when the dunes NRA management plan was passed in 1994; a section of the land the trail would pass through is designated MA 10C, which is closed to motorized use; and that the trail violates the Forest Service’s 2001 Roadless Rule.

But a Biological Diversity attorney bluntly said these points of contention are just a means to an end. The group opposes ATV access into what it considers to a be a fragile and unique habitat, and will do anything it can to throw a wrench in the works.

“It’s a way to be heard,” said lawyer Andrew Orahoske, who’s heading up the group’s anti-Riley Ranch campaign. “The primary concern is that the Forest Service has done a poor job in managing offroad vehicles in the dunes since the dunes NRA was created. ...

“We feel that the agencies must first address the ongoing damage to the environment and the really rampant trespass and proliferation of illegal trails throughout the dunes.”

Meanwhile, the Riley Ranch project has broad appeal to the ATV community, as it would offer a new point of direct access to the middle of the dunes, roughly halfway in between the southernmost access at Horsfall Campground and Spinreel to the north. Those areas are crowded in the peak ATV season.

“A lot of times on a really busy weekend, it’s tough. You have to make your reservation way in advance,” said Gary Potter, motorcycle sales manager at Honda World in Coos Bay.

He added that there are economic benefits to the county from ATV use.

“The more access, the more people who would come here. There’s so much residual business,” he said.

The Forest Service announced the plan early in 2007 and received three comments, all supportive. When it released the preliminary environmental analysis this past fall, though, the center, along with some other interested parties, bombarded the Forest Service with negative input.

“They identified some areas we thought we had to take a harder look at,” said Gardner.

Now the Forest Service is taking the comments at face value, dealing with the issues specifically, as laid out in a re-scoping plan released in October.

According to that document, the agency will:

n designate a motorized trail from Riley Ranch to the 80-acre county parcel and the dunes at large, doing away with the original three-year stipulation.

n indicate that ATVs only would be allowed on the county trail in the area designated MA 10C.

n clarify that the designated trail would be within an inventoried roadless area and point out that the 2001 Roadless Rule wouldn’t apply because the rule only prohibits the construction of roads, not “motorized trails.”

The document calls for logs and fences to be used to indicate the designated trail and close unofficial trails to ATVs.

The re-scoped plan also will clarify the county’s easement through the Central Oregon & Pacific Railroad strip.

It’s unlikely all of this will appease the Center for Biological Diversity, however.

“We are concerned about all of the dunes, because they are completely unique,” Orahoske said. “The balance has tipped a little bit too far to emphasize motor recreation to the exclusion, to the detriment, of other users and to the vegetation, the things that people go there to see. ...

“This is certainly one of those areas where we will be having continual involvement.”
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Kristi wrote on Jan 23, 2009 3:13 PM:

Yeah and "NO NOISE", I am also a local here more than 30 yrs. all my life, plus say 4 generations. Part of my family lives in Hauser and some in the Lakeside area, and they LOVE IT! I would gather, lets take a poll and see who enjoys the dunes and noise, and who doesn't. We can all agree the trash sucks, but there's freakin' trash at the beach, Empire Lakes, Mingus, you name it. The out-of-towners (some), and young kids are slobs! What is new. Doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy it. I think if you don't like it, you shouldn't live here, PERIOD!

sandfan wrote on Jan 23, 2009 10:46 AM:

So many comments, so little time! It is against the law to "remove" your muffler on your ATV, and enforced! Besides the machine wouldn't run properly! For those of you that don't approve of the "noise" of ATV's in the dunes, move back to where you came from! They were here first!!! My shop did over $250,000 worth of business last year from these riders, keep them coming! Long live duneriders!!

Dunes wrote on Jan 22, 2009 5:56 PM:

Freddy,

Have you ever spent time out in the Dunes? If you have, then you know that the Dunes ATV use area is less than 50% of the recreational land use. There are miles upon miles of pedestian use only that allows you to walk and enjoy the scerenity that comes with the beauty of the Dunes. I love riding my ATV at the Dunes, but I also like to walk and enjoy the sand under my feet just as much. Why cant you all see that there is plenty of room for everyone? Why does it have to be one way and that way only? I don't see the ATV users bashing your right as far as the no atv use only, so why do you feel like you have to trash the ATV users?

What a Shame wrote on Jan 22, 2009 12:46 PM:

To All You Do-Gooders::::If you don't like the noise, stay away. The dunes provide a lot of enjoyment to a lot of people and brings in thousands of dollars into our area year round, expecially in the summer. Maybe some of you do-gooders should attend the sand fest and see all the happy people enjoying themselves. So like I said, don't like the noise, stay at home and scream at your husband or wife.

The County parks department has done a fantastic job at Riley ranch and all you drones should be thankful for that. Parks department is self funded and is not in the general budget. Larry and all the crew have great ideas and all have done a fantistic job with the ranch. Keep up the good work guys and gals. There are a lot of people out here that 100% approve of what you have done and are trying to do. Thank you.

Freddy wrote on Jan 22, 2009 11:04 AM:

I laugh when hearing someone say they enjoy riding in such a beautiful area. What is so enjoyable about visiting the coast and hearing the loud buzz of ATV engines? What kind of beauty do you see when any source of wildlife burrows under ground or runs for its life from the destruction caused by ATV's?

The noise, air and ground pollution caused by these contraptions is lamentable; the negative impact on life - both human and animal, by off road vehicles is reprehensible.

How about constructing a large contained dome at Riley Ranch, filling it with sand along with pictures of the ocean on the walls and cardboard deer cutouts? Then, give the scooters a-go. Let riders go deaf in the loud chaos and wallow in the stench of blue smoke. Eventually killing themselves off over time and saving the coast for those that want to enjoy its true beauty.

NO NOISE NOT wrote on Jan 22, 2009 1:04 AM:

No noise, you just did the final debunking of all your comments.

"where do the votes come from to elect such an idiot for the president????maybe from Poland////"

What a terrible remark, go back to pre war Germany and fight for the other beleivers who share your thoughts. When you make comments like that, you totally kill any point that you may have had. Now we know that all you are is a truly unhappy individual who strives to make others just as miserable as yourself.

Reminder: any further comment from you means moot, and I encourage all others to just ignore your worthless ramblings!

Out of town wrote on Jan 21, 2009 5:48 PM:

Are you kidding me? I have to travel to Coos Bay from Eastern Oregon and I for one do not shop at Costco to buy my goods. I actaully laughed when I read that :D

I buy gas and food while I'm in the area. Also, have you ever drove by the hotels during the summer weekends? They are loaded with trucks and flatbed trailers full of ATV's. I guess you are right though, no outsiders would spend money there, they are just locals spending the night in a hotel room instead of driving home.

It's a pain trying to find a hotel room on a sunny weekend on the coast, trust me, I know!

Agreed wrote on Jan 21, 2009 5:37 PM:

Dave:

Have you seen ATV riders actually remove the muffler? Like I have said before, I have been riding out there for years and NO ONE removes their muffler. The fine you get is not worth it, so don't tell me they do. Now, who's spreading the lies? GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!

wondering wrote on Jan 21, 2009 5:27 PM:

Why is an Arizona group worried about what happens in Coos County. According to their website they want to protect endangered amimals. Since the impact study done by the Forest Service shows that the proposed trail would in fact be good. It will replace an existing illegal trail that is endangering a protected moss and remove a bridge that may be harming a nearby lake. I think they just dont want anyone to be there. Wonder how much impact their headquarters has on the area in Arizona. Maybe all ATV riders should stage a protest around their corporate headquarters. I hear its legal to ride an ATV on the streets in Arizona.

sandman wrote on Jan 21, 2009 4:45 PM:

maybe all the none atv'ers should move back to california. and maybe the enviromentalist should realize that the county could develop the 160 acres they own at spinreel and there is nothing they nor the Forest circus could do about it. That property sits right by the tenmile creek. Oh what a pretty spot to put an atv campground

stan wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:33 AM:

God forbid the county make any money off of a campground that was not even purchased with county money. Can you even fathom the hypocracy you all are spewing?

ATV Club President wrote on Jan 21, 2009 2:45 AM:

SJ, arn't they fixin the trussel so that noisy train will be back blowin that damn whistle....

When was the last time Huaser Fire had multiple calls at 1 time? If we go by your theory everytime they go to a traffic accident they are leaving you un-covered also. Fact is they are Contracted by there CHOICE to respond to atv accidents it gives them a bigger budget to buy new equipment to protect those in there jusridiction. Not to mention there rescue vehicle was paid for by ATV funds. Oh yea did I tell you I spent 10 years on one of those fire departments doing those rescue calls, I know the politics involved.

Can't stand the guy at the myrtlewood factory making a living either huh?

ATV Club President wrote on Jan 21, 2009 2:35 AM:

I am the co-preident of one of Oregons largest atv clubs that is nationaly recognized. I was born in Coos bay and lived the first 30 years of my life there, you cannot tell me nothing about that area or YOUR way of life. Fact is IF YOU had a job you feelings for the tourist industry would be alot different. I was forced to move from that area that I love to move to the city where I can provide for my family, something apparently you have no clue about.

SOUR GRAPES wrote on Jan 20, 2009 8:43 PM:

Some just can't envision or allow someone else to have fun doing something that they do not enjoy. The people who come to the dunes may not be perfect, but they DO spend a lot of money here. A tank of gas will only get you here, not back. Their ATV's will need fuel, some break down and need repair. I have seen plenty of people in riding gear in restaurants. I wish the environmentalists that are protesting were actually locals, they aren't.

Hauser dune rat wrote on Jan 20, 2009 7:39 PM:

In the early 80's my family would camp where ever we pleased, rode whatever we wanted...This was never an issue till the government saw the money that was being made locally.

bc wrote on Jan 20, 2009 1:42 PM:

TOO: AS ALWAYS
What kind of (person?) calls intelligent hard working people that want a little recreation selfish rednecks? Get a life and stay out of others.
BC

Hauser Harry wrote on Jan 20, 2009 6:59 AM:

For what a shame, half of them went to school here, others in Kauilfornia, and the rest infiltrated from other areas.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/about/staff/index.html

no noise wrote on Jan 19, 2009 4:56 PM:

To ATV president.what kind of a constituancy do you have as a voting base...where do the votes come from to elect such an idiot for the president????maybe from Poland////

sand man wrote on Jan 19, 2009 12:55 PM:

To dave, Assalways,and no noise shut up you are the ignorant hillbilly idiots that maybe should get there facts together before before spreading the crap that comes out of your mouth and if you dont like it here move to arizona i here it is warmer there.

nonoise wrote on Jan 19, 2009 5:20 AM:

wow from the last few comments you people are using some really good drugs out there on the dunes...either that or you are not at the places i have mentioned here ...what part of LA LA land are you riding in ?????And by the way it isnt just myself who feels this way it is everyone i know and i know LOTS of people here

SJ wrote on Jan 19, 2009 1:11 AM:

There is no train anymore........

Only thousands of out of towners that make noise 7 days a week till 2am or even later. They bring all thier supplies from the cities before they come. And every time someone gets injured then the Hauser VOLUNTEER fire dept responds taking our local meager emergency response teams away from the people that live here. Thats what it brings our local economy. And who does patrol these dunes to enforce any laws? One dune Sherrif patrol unit. To build more camping spaces will make things alot worse. Its already way too overcrowded and greatly diminishes the quality of local life compared to any benefit that 135 more acres of camp trailers packed into it like the parking lot at the old Myrtlewood Factory.

ATV Club President wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:45 PM:

No Noise, use some common sense nobody is going ot travel 200 miles round trip to costco to buy supplies who are you trying to fool? thisis the most ignorant comment I have seen.

Dave, I have walked that creek hundreds of times from the campground to the lagoon. I know about the sound you are preaching about and it is nothing like you say, you know what bothers me down there fishin is that TRAIN.. wonder if we can get them to put a muffler on it and get them to stop blowing that damn loud whistle???

Local Busniess Owner wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:39 PM:

No Noise, how dare you try to speak for the busniess owners from here! half of my busniess from this town is from tourism and the ATV riders play a huge roll in that even in the winter time. Shame on you for trying to take away from me making a better life for myself and providing for my family....

Dune User wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:35 PM:

No noise, your facts are so sadly wrong even you believe them. There has been users out on that sand since the 70's in cars motorcycles and home built buggys, the only change that has occured out there is the invasion of a non-native species of beach grass that our own government planted, which is the major cause of the snowy plover debochal.... get your facts strait before spreading your lies.. I have been out there for over 40 years.

fisherman wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:03 PM:

Dave people have been fishing that creek for years myself and family included, I have walked that creek hundreds of times from the campground(before it was a campground) to the ocean fishing, Your BS will not fool the peopel that know there is only 1 place you can even see that creek from the sand, and it is dead in trail that durring stealhead season you have to cross a small creek to even get there... most of the time that trail has ATV's and pickups parked there from fisherman that cannot walk to the lower section of the creek anyway...

Dave wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:34 AM:

To agreed,,,take yourself down to spinreel for a day of fishing the crick and then tell me people dont have loud no muffler units..It is deafening there and it goes on all day long..Dont make statements that you know are not the truth...Just go down there sometime and listen for yourself...

no noise wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:28 AM:

Sure there are some who pick up some of the trash...But just by making that statement proves what i say about trash being scattered all over the place.Leave your trash your loud machines and your complete disregard for the locals who dont want or need what little you spend here and STAY home ....trash your own area..

Kristi wrote on Jan 17, 2009 5:53 PM:

Furthermore, those that have been here all our lives have learned to love the noise that goes along with the dunes. I would expect that is the majority of, and if you didn't want to hear it why would you move somewhere where that is basically a way of life..... That is a major contributor for us to have visitors! WAKE THE HECK UP... People also get hurt doing many other things too, it just seems magnified because they want to publicize it.

Kristi wrote on Jan 17, 2009 5:49 PM:

A comment to those throwing stones on all that have spent their lives enjoying the dunes! Not all of us leave our trash, just like any other activity (hiking, swimming, camping and what-not) many many people do this partying and leaving garbage. But not all, those of us that grew up enjoying the dunes with many generations also don't appreciate the trash left. Can't even go to box car and let the kids play without glass and broken bottles. But we have a right to enjoy it, what is left of it. Not only do we ride ATVS, but we swim, sand board, enjoy the beach, etc. Some of us actually spend the last day of camp scouting through the dunes for garbage (especially left treasures!) So you that came to retire, aren't the original locals, we should have a say!!

SAND PIG wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:51 PM:

No,NO,NO LNG.know NO,NO,NO bridge or ATVs, when area people in this area going to figure out, there will no jobs unless you take care of all the old people. quit snivleing or move if you dont like it.

Dune lover wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:36 PM:

I for one absolutely love the beauty of the dunes. ATVing on the dunes is a great sport and fun activity for friends and families alike. I really have no idea why the environmentalists feel the need to be so controlling, other than they'd just like to have EVERYTHING shut down that involves a motorized vehicle. I DO believe it is public land and SHOULD be able to be enjoyed by ALL who pay their taxes.

And to the people who are so negative about ATVers, there ARE sound restrictions last time I checked. Also, not ALL ATVers throw their garbage out for everyone else to pick up. In fact, there are ATV clubs who get together multiple times a year for the purpose of a "dune cleanup" where they work with the county and local community to remove trash from the area.

TeriB wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:06 PM:

I am an ATV enthusiast and I spend a lot of time in the dunes with my family and friends. We are very respectful of the dunes and the forest areas when we ride. We stay within the boundaries and pick up debris when we find it. There are places in the dunes that you would not be able to see unless you have an ATV that are absolutely beautiful. If our access into the dunes is restricted, then how are we supposed to enjoy what God created for us.

Tourism is very important to the economy of Oregon and if we continually close areas off so people can't enjoy them, then we are damaging the economy of this state.

I plead with you CBD of Arizona to let us have our access!

ATV Club President wrote on Jan 16, 2009 9:36 PM:

clearly some of the "educated" folks that have posted on this topic are far less "educated" than they think they are. Look into the laws that apply to ORV's in the ODNRA they would understand the regulations on camping, sound and safety.

Lets be real the costal counties are in desperate times economicly, most all of the local negativity comes from retired people that no longer have to worry about employment to feed there familys. They have there own aganda's on how they want retired life and screw the rest.

The envormetalist clearly have no idea about the amount of the ODNRA that is closed to ORV use, more than half. Most of the enviros do not know that they have ultimatly led to the demise by the planting of the European Beach Grass in 1965, a non-native species. Most have not seen the evolution of the dunes since then but yet all the preach is preservation.

As far as the county not making any money off of the ranch venture, ORV funds purchased the ranch at no cost to the county. Look into douglas county and there new campground in Winchester Bay

No noise wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:07 PM:

If all of the pro ATVrs would go to the trouble of checking things out they would find that the ATVrs do NOT help our economy...They bring almost every thing they use such as food gas and their own fuel for their atvs...If they plan on an extended stay of 4 or 5 day,s then they get together and 5 or 6 will send their wives or someone up to Eugene to Costcos and buy their meat gas and food....why dont you people wise up to this >>what we get is the garbage they leave behind

No noise wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:00 PM:

This is for CB lifer...If people felt like you do 40 years ago there wouldnt be any thing left of the Dunes...You fail to realize that what goes on today wasnt possible a few years ago...There were no atvs and there wasnt a bunch of idiots running around with them...Give the nature lovers a break and sell your atv and go by foot.It will be more healthy for you and the invioriment....

agreed wrote on Jan 16, 2009 4:59 PM:

I would like to start off with agreeing with "Again". I couldn't have closed that any better myself, I laughed my "BEHIND OFF" with your last line :)

Not everyone that uses the Sand Dunes are uneducated rednecks. I love riding on the Dunes and have done it for years. Not everyone leaves trash and you see trash along every road all around this great state. You act like it only happens out at the Dunes. For the person who said they remove the mufflers has obviously has never been on the Dunes. Trust me, you get a huge fine if you do remove them and it's just not worth it, so stop the BS lies!!!!

To Michelle: What do ORV's have anything to do with tides? You are right, the Ecology we have here is beautiful. I too love to see the tides and enjoy the marine life that comes with it, but come on. Since when does a sea urchin live in a sand dune?

From what I have read, it's the folks who are complaining are the ones who are uneducated about the Dunes.

To as always wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:14 PM:

I find it really rude that you think it's okay to call the people here selfish hillbilly rednecks. For starters, I love the dunes. It's a place for us to make money as well. Tons of people come from different states to camp and enjoy this area. It's a beautiful fun place. It's also one of the limited areas for us teens to enjoy the out doors. If you have any other options, please let me know! I'm an intelligent person; love the dunes, camping, and hunting. Does that qualify me as a redneck? This town is full of smart people, but if you want to be stuck up about it, so be it. Way to teach the young generation. Oh by the way, if you would look redneck up in the dictionary, it would be 1. an uneducated white farm laborer, esp. from the South. :D I for one am very educated and so are most dune riders.

Kat wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:08 PM:

Oh Suzy, Suzy...
sue wrote on Jan 16, 2009 12:38 PM:
Why should an out of state environmental group control what we do here on the coast? You environmental control freaks need to step out. I, for one, am sick and tired of you telling me what I can and cannot do. Worry about your own community and leave us alone. To the rest of the minority dummies, so called educated idiots, move on out of here if you don't like it!!

So you got a hate-on for anyone NOT borned and raised in Coos? And anyone "educated" too?

Come To Coos Co. Oregon, where ya can see Reverse Evolution on the ground.

These are PUBLIC LANDS Suzy Mae, git it?

hire someone wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:10 PM:

How about people clean up after THEMSELVES and also occasionally recognize that they aren't the only people on the planet? Why the hell should the taxpayer hire someone to clean up after white trash redneck slobs who can't pick up after themselves? Oh wait...this is Coos County.

sue wrote on Jan 16, 2009 12:38 PM:

Why should an out of state environmental group control what we do here on the coast? You environmental control freaks need to step out. I, for one, am sick and tired of you telling me what I can and cannot do. Worry about your own community and leave us alone. To the rest of the minority dummies, so called educated idiots, move on out of here if you don't like it!!

What a Shame wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:42 AM:

Arizona enviormentalist.....STAY OUT OF OUR BUSINESS AND KEEP YOUR OPINIONS, LAWERS AND YOURSELF IN YOUR OWN STATE.

Murph wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:11 AM:

Why is it always economy vs environment? ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that generated any kind of business in the Bay Area is now gone, or so limited, taxed, whatever it's not worth the effort to go into. The Dunes are the last tapable resource of that area. What was the comment about disrupting someones nap? Are you serious?, Take off the muffler of an ATV and you WILL be fined. (Another revenue generator). It's freaking SAND! We have decent weather most of the year and people come from miles away to stay in the campground. So campers leave trash...Hire folks to clean it up. With a little compromise this is a win-win for all.

to CB Lifer wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:01 AM:

...I would posit that the emergence of the internal combustion engine and the rampant selfish disregard of others (noise, trash, drinking) that has increased dramatically over the past few decades have something to do with the need to protect what's left. You're right...the critters did just fine for quite some time. That is, until we came along. Contrary to popular belief, things aren't the same as they were a long time ago. Evolve already.

CB Lifer wrote on Jan 16, 2009 8:18 AM:

Oh for crying out loud!! When are the citizens of MY town going to get up in arms enough to stop this crap!! Quit letting other people tell us how to live here! All the trees and plants and critters did fine for hundreds of years without regulations!! People moved her to enjoy the area, now not even those of us that grew up here can enjoy it because of outsiders! I want my kids and grandkids to go out to the beach and have a bon fire, and drive up and down the beach and dunes like I did! This just burns my "you know what!" If someone would start a petition to give to the Governor or someone, I would MOST CERTAINLY sign it! When are we going to protect our area from outsiders and preserve it for generations? No wonder no young people live here anymore, what is there to do besides get drunk and high? We've taken away all the good clean fun. Sickening

As always wrote on Jan 16, 2009 7:48 AM:

I love reading the comments on this web site. As always the SELFISH hillbilly rednecks of this area are upset that they can't continue to destroy and degrade the majestic beauty of Coos County. Go play with your little boy gas guzzling toys someplace else and leave Coos County for some of your more intelligent neighbors.

Off-road racer enthusiast wrote on Jan 16, 2009 7:42 AM:

I want to know where the money came from to purchase Riley Ranch.

I'm under the impression the money came from OHV grants. I sure hope not.

No noise wrote on Jan 16, 2009 6:44 AM:

Well the fact of the matter is that most people who live in this area are tired of the noise and garbage that go with the ATVrs...The first thing they do is take the muffler off their unit and put blasters on..Then they leave garbage all over the place and cost all kinds of money for rescue units ...and the poor people who bought retirement homes in the area are subjected to all the loud noise day and night.Never get a chance for an afternoon nap...If they were a little more considerate of others there wouldnt be so much hatred and opposition to them...

Michelle wrote on Jan 16, 2009 6:32 AM:

I grew up in Oregon and did some coastal ecology coursework in Coos Bay. What a gorgeous area! The marine and wetland ecosystems were phenomenal and diverse. I still have this wonderful photo of rows of urchins in their rock condos, all purple except one red. The one major drawback was the huge numbers -- too many! -- of ORVs all over the beach and dunes. And this was about 15 years ago. I can only guess how overrun the place is now. It's disappointing that all those there to "play" don't have consideration for other uses/users.

airsoftboy wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:53 PM:

what the hack this mean that you are going to kick the airsofters out becouse we were there first

Regret wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:47 PM:

Another idiot comment. The county will not regret generating alot of revenue currently only being enjoyed by the Forest Service. This will be a welcome addition to the limited, over burdened camping area's available. This will be a long sustaining source of income which will help in maintaining all the county parks.

mik wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:15 PM:

what you seem to forget is that horse folks used Riley Ranch for years-before the county bought it. John Giffith made promises to us horse folks that we would not be shut out-but once the ATV'ers got a foot hold (they are well organized)-the horse folks were set aside like rubbish.....Just goes to show MONEY and promises make the difference.

Kristi wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:52 PM:

Why can't we enjoy this natural beauty? I too grew up enjoying and riding in the dunes w/my family for more than 30 years. I feel honestly when I am out there soaking up the sun, smelling the fresh air, looking at the amazing-amazing beauty, and "eating a bit of sand" I feel so at peace.... I feel sorry for those who haven't been given the gift to enjoy it, because it truly is an amazing adventure when you are out there, as well as divine beauty. Quit hesitating and wasting precious time, life is short. God gave it to enjoy, lets spend more time enjoying life and nature and less time with all the politics!

Thomas wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:15 PM:

This ATV fiasco is a liability nightmare waiting to happen.

Coos county never should have started this, and will regret it inevitably ......... guaranteed.

enter at your own risk wrote on Jan 15, 2009 5:14 PM:

Are they just jealous they don't get to enjoy the dunes more than 2 major weekends a year? Truth is the beach grass and shifting dunes is more of a concern then OFV's. The invasive grass is choking out NATIVE plants and taking over dunes. This park has been presented YEARS ago and it's offered some excitement to locals and tourists who come here SPECIFICALLY for the dunes. The dunes are a BIG part of our economy and appeal.

sandman wrote on Jan 15, 2009 2:41 PM:

If the forest service would have done things right the first time the county would not be in this mess.The area that is going to be accessed has been used by atv's for years. There is already an exsiting road through the property from when the Riley's owned the property and the forest service took the property away from them.

Coos Baynian wrote on Jan 15, 2009 2:38 PM:

I also grew up here. Dunes were always the place to play. Why are we allowing ourselves to be dictated to by a group from out of state?

Just An Observer wrote on Jan 15, 2009 2:32 PM:

The environmentalists do have a legal case. What set it up? More regulations than Mother Hubbard had children...LOL! Put too many rules in the game and it's open season for ANYONE with lawyers and money to gum up the works.


Our environment does need protection but so do the human uses of that environment. Let's get a better regulatory system in place so both sides of this situation are fairly and properly addressed instead of leaving it in the hands of bureaucrats, pettifogging details and lawyers from all sorts of special interest groups.

Local Yokel wrote on Jan 15, 2009 2:20 PM:

I say all tree huggers unite and then jump off a cliff. Leave us alone to enjoy our dunes, water, beaches. Stay in your desert and don't worry about what we're doing. You have probably never even walked on any of that land or even seen the dunes.

AGAIN wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:34 PM:

I don't get it. No industry (too ugly), no port, no railroad (too noisey), no trucking (too much traffic), the list goes on and on. The one thing they say is good enough for our area is tourism. OK, fine, we have the Dunes. Oh NO!!!!! That place is eco special. We can't have ATV destroying that place. I grew up here for the last 40 years and we have been playing on the Dunes with our buggies and ATV's since I was a kid. The damage I have seen to the Dunes is the grass, not the ORV'S!!!!!! So for you environmentalists from Arizona, I say this to you, stick it up you Grand Canyon!!!!

Dan wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:04 PM:

Why don't these environmental losers keep their sticking liberal nose out of our business and our state. Keep voting democrat and watch ALL YOUR RIGHTS disappear!! These people want to control your every move and won't stop until they accomplish this.


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