County road workers: Layoff plan won't work

By Jolene Guzman, Staff Writer
Monday, January 05, 2009 | 43 comment(s)

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Coos County Road Department employees are calling for an independent review of the Board of Commissioners approved plan to reorganize the department.

Employees contend the department won’t meet its obligations once the county cuts 22 of its employees this month. The plan would have the county spend less on personnel and more on materials.

“We insist on professional, qualified people and/or  a committee to come up with the best direction for the road department and the citizens of Coos County,” 13-year  maintenance worker Adam Wideman said.

Wideman, who is also the department union leader, found out Wednesday he will be laid off Jan. 20.

Layoffs are not the only personnel change. Commissioner and interim roadmaster Kevin Stufflebean said he will moving forward today on hiring a roadmaster, with plans to offer the top candidate a job today.

The department’s personnel budget this year is $2.8 million, while money budgeted by asphalt comes in at almost $164,000, the supplies budget is almost $600,000. Money funding equipment purchases is proposed at $23,000.

Stufflebean agrees that a review should be done of the entire department in restructuring the county’s transportation plan, but the conclusions would be too late to save the department enough money. 

He explained that in November, long-term budget figures showed that if personnel costs were maintained through the end of the four-year federal payments more drastic cuts would be in store. Stufflebean decided to cut back now rather than later, a move which he said would save jobs.

“We opted to take timber payments and invest them in infrastructure versus in staffing we can’t maintain,” Stufflebean said.

Wideman said he doubts Stufflebean’s reasons are truly the root of the decision.

“It’s not about money,” Wideman said. “It’s about his desire to spend money on equipment and asphalt — not what is best for the general public.”

He also contends the commissioner isn’t qualified to make such drastic decisions.

“Kevin Stufflebean has no experience except what he has learned on the job,” Wideman said. “He keeps saying he will hire a roadmaster and he never does.”

Workers also counter Stufflebean’s assertion that buying new equipment will cut down significantly on maintenance costs. They contend even new equipment needs maintenance.

Both Stufflebean and Commissioner Nikki Whitty say the book isn’t closed on the what equipment purchases will be made. Stufflebean said on the top of the list is a crack sealer and possibly a used paint truck and culvert cleaner.

Workers also question how the smaller crew will be able to keep up with basic maintenance, such as brush cutting, line painting and patching potholes, let alone be able to do enough work to justify more spending on asphalt and other materials.

“The fact of the matter is we are in a desperate economy, the road system is in terrible shape and we are hardly able to keep up with it now,” Wideman said. “We were told they had done an analysis and that they could handle emergencies. We would like to see a copy.”

No actual analysis exists on paper, but that department managers looked at streamlining jobs, Stufflebean said. He added that not all laid-off employees worked on the roads: one is a clerical position, three mainly work in the shop and three are in the rock crushing crew.

Stufflebean said some aspects of the department’s job are done inefficiently. For example, he said some of the rock used on roads starts at the county pit where it is crushed, then it is hauled to a storage yard and finally hauled to the work site. Rather then trucking some rock 75 miles round trip, the department could buy rock cheaper from sources closer to where the work is being done. Shifting sources of rock enables the crew to employ fewer workers at the rock pit.

“It’s not in the county’s best interest  to handle rock three times,” Stufflebean said.

Instead of having managerial staff in the office, he said they will be put to work in the field, picking up some of the jobs done by soon-to-be former employees. Stufflebean said between busy seasons, the department would employee full-time workers in what he calls “busy work,” such as going out inspecting roads. Those duties will fall to others in the new plan and department managers can decide to hire seasonal workers if needed. The money saved in that decision will go to buying material.

“If you don’t have the materials to maintain roads, then we really don’t have a reason to have a road department,” Stufflebean said.
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Rocky wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:12 AM:

I do believe that it is time to privitize the road work in this county. Privite Co will repair much faster that a public employ would because the privite needs to keep going to different jobs. The benefits that are paid to the Union Workers is clearly way to much.

Common Sense wrote on Jan 9, 2009 2:51 PM:

What's the big deal, since it takes 3 road workers standing around while 1 road worker is working to get the job done? Sounds like finally the county is trying to be more efficient with tax payers $$$...

County line wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:26 PM:

http://www.naco.org/Content/NavigationMenu/About_Counties/Code_of_Ethics/NACo_Code_of_Ethics.htm

Ethical Principles
The ethical county official should:

Properly administer the affairs of the county.
Promote decisions which only benefit the public interest.
Actively promote public confidence in county government.
Keep safe all funds and other properties of the county.
Conduct and perform the duties of the office diligently and promptly dispose of the business of the county.
Maintain a positive image to pass constant public scrutiny.
Evaluate all decisions so that the best service or product is obtained at a minimal cost without sacrificing quality and fiscal responsibility.
Inject the prestige of the office into everyday dealings with the public employees and associates.
Maintain a respectful attitude toward employees, other public officials, colleagues and associates.
Effectively and efficiently work with governmental agencies, political subdivisions and other organizations in order to further the interest of the county.
Faithfully comply with all laws and regulations applicable to the county and impartially apply them to everyone.

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to late wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:27 AM:

So now he will hire a roadmaster after there are only 22 people gone and only 14 left????

Dear worker wrote on Jan 7, 2009 5:46 AM:

you are not being very factual either!! Those positions and job titles that you listed are probably true, however you left out the fact that those people will also fill many and varied roles within the road department. for example the crusher operator might also be helping to install a culvert when he is not crushing rock. the powder man might be helping in traffic control , in other words, it is called efficiency. And as for trucks hauling 75 miles. I am afraid you are wrong there also. I had the surprise of following a belly dump from Myrtle Point, where they enter at Dees market. all the way to Lakeside, with a load of rock. this was in the summer, and I am sure that a belly dump probably was not going that distance for another purpose. so having seen the trucks haul rock that far, your statement just does not ring true for me!!

To Stufflebean wrote on Jan 6, 2009 10:14 PM:

here we go, attempt #3 to get this published.

Kevin has many more qualifications than you listed. For the record, he hasn't worked for the city of Coos Bay; just was elected councilor. He has quite extensive experience with finance, budget and social services in the private and public sectors.

While he may not have handled this gracefully, it seem based on the current state of the economy and the overall financial state of this particular county, his/their options were limited. Given all of the information commissioners are privy to, I have to guess anyone else in his/their shoes would've made a similar decision.

OMG wrote on Jan 6, 2009 4:57 PM:

To Frank Rizzo: You are FUNNY, thanks for that comment, if the next reader has not seen it, PLEASE scroll down and check it out!!!! A little sarcasm goes a long way buddy!

Good to know wrote on Jan 6, 2009 2:46 PM:

I didn't even think it would be a state project filling those potholes. I'd say some of the laid off workers could get jobs with the state, they need the help. My poor car is getting beaten to death

Real Answer wrote on Jan 6, 2009 1:14 PM:

To Real Question:

Highway 101 is a State Highway, and is maintained by the State not the County.

VERN wrote on Jan 6, 2009 9:16 AM:

QUIT YOUR WHINNING A GET ON WITH LIFE.THE ECOM IS IN THE TANK. WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD THESE BENIFITS THE ROAD DEPT ENJOY. BACK WHEN WE WERE A LOGGING STATE THEIR WAS LOTS OF FUNDS TO WORK WITH. I REMEMBER IN THE 50s THE ROAD DEPT EMPLOYED AROUND 60+ PEOPLE. NOW WERE A NANNY STATE AND IT'S OVER. THE UNIONS HAVE PUSHED TILL WE CAN'T TAKE IT.

The Real Question wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:46 AM:

I drive 101 every day from Langlois and the important question is, who the heck is going to take care of all the potholes. I am not so worried about the smaller roads as I am the major artery that brings people to and from the area. It's like a mine field out there. I'd guess there are 100-150 potholes to try and avoid on the drive.

I am thinking the tire companies that provide alignments are applauding this move.

Kaye wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:22 AM:

80+ hours per month makes you eligible for health insurance???? This is a joke. It's not even a half-time job, and you get insurance for you and the family.
Talking about gifts to slackers on my tax $$$$. Benefits should be a reward for dedication and actually work ( not very part-time jobbing )

Stufflebean... wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:00 AM:

worked at Chambers Plumbing, in the office, before getting hired by the City of Coos Bay.

So why was he voted in as commissioner? Oh yeah, he had lots of election signs posted all over.

I will dance with glee when he is finally voted out.

to Native of Coos Bay wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:55 AM:

you are right on the money!

Native of Coos Bay wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:40 AM:

It sounds to me like we have a wealth of workers with lots of Road Maintenance experience looking for work. Keep your eyes on the ODOT maintenance positions. Yeah, you have to work hard, but if you're not used to it you'll learn. What Coos County will figure out is that it takes expertise to safely and effectively run the machinery to maintain the roadways. I've been watching the County activities for some years, as a native who has moved away for work... Stufflebean and Whitty don't seem to have the County's best interest at heart. They seem to think they own and run the County at their own whims, for their own personal benefit. It's time for new blood down there. Sure, some layoffs were probably necessary, but 22 maintenance workers is troubling. They are gutting the Road Dept to line their own pockets and ensure that they will continue to get that paycheck, that they don't seem to earn anyway... looks like conflict of interest to me...

to kaye wrote on Jan 6, 2009 5:45 AM:

County workers get insurance if they work 80+ hours a month. Their whole family gets it because the group that the union gets their insurance from sets that rule. They don't get to choose different options like when you selfpay for insurance. When an insurance company takes on a large group, they set the rules. The Teamster employees i.e. Road Department and Sheriff's Office have the LOWEST group rate. That is why the Commmissioners and management employees have the same insurance, the Teamsters agreed to take in non-union management to help save money. Most of the county employees are union, and unless they vote out the union this will not change. If you think contracting out at Davis-Bacon wages, (look up that legislatiion) will save you anything, think again. When you contract out you don't have the oversight and control. Good luck to all the Road Department employees. No one should be rooting for layoffs in this economy.

Coos County Queen wrote on Jan 6, 2009 5:17 AM:

Well I can see people are slowly figuring and seeing what Kevin Stufflebean is all about. You say you would like to know what goes on behind county government doors? For one Stufflebean wouldn't have a job and would be in jail. I would like to know how long someone could be crooked before they are caught? How can Kevin wake up and look at himself every morning knowing what he does is wrong? How can he live with himself?

Frank Rizzo wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:32 PM:

Question?

Who wouldn't want to work four tens, paied Vaca, sick time, paied holidays, dental insurance, health insurance, eye insurance?

If you answered no to all that your the mindless one...

From what I see about 50% of Coos County could use the dental Insurance at least!!!

Sorry about your little tidbit Mike wrote on Jan 5, 2009 9:07 PM:

But a Gas tax is still a tax, is still a tax, IS STILL A TAX. Get it now ?

Former County Employee wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:03 PM:

To Former Rd Dept Worker: Shame on you. Where is your loyalty? You were once in this department and know how hard it is to do the work with less employees. And to make a comment about time off and sick leave, you had those benefits once. Are you a disgruntled employee that Kevin has fired or what?

Former County Employee wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:01 PM:

How can you say good riddens to 22 jobs. Are you people nuts or just jealous of those who try to work for their family. We pay for our insurance and much more every year. Adding family members to the insurance costs more than the county is willing to cover so most of us pay out of our pockets for that as well. We all work very hard. Like you, we are taxpayers as well. If you don't like the taxes then get out and vote. Make your voice heard that way. Not putting down those who to try to work versus those who sit on their butts and collect your tax money without working. I believe the government should make the welfare chubs work for their money as well.

Road Worker wrote on Jan 5, 2009 7:21 PM:

Truth or Lies: You can’t have it both ways. It was said that there was 17 people left in the road department, plus one more as the road master being hired soon. 4 of these positions are very high paid management. Employee left are 2 mechanic, 1acting lead man, 1 crusher operator, 1 powder person, 1 sign and spray person, 1 bridge person. This leaves 7 people as road workers for over 500 miles of county roads. UNLESS all 17 people are going to work on the roads.

Second the statement made about moving rock 75 miles is untrue. We were buying rock from Goulds and Mains rock pits the only time we were hauling 75 miles was when we were stock piling for emergencies only.

We can not expect the public to know all this but efficiency starts at the top they call the shots not the people on the road.

Recall Nikki and Kevin wrote on Jan 5, 2009 6:34 PM:

I have lived on a county road for many years and Coos County road workers regularly make repairs and have done a fine job.

Now this will probably go away, so where exactly will my tax dollars be going? Nikki and Kevin's pocket is my best guess!

No I dont work for the county wrote on Jan 5, 2009 6:20 PM:

Seriously people...has anyone looked into Kevin Stufflebean's qualifications? As far as I know he has worked in human services and as a dispatcher at Chambers. Before that he was a secretary in the Navy. Which of those qualify him to be roadmaster??? Didn't anyone at the county question that?

Disgusted wrote on Jan 5, 2009 6:18 PM:

I am flat out disgusted and embarrased for those people who seem to be so jealous of county employee benefits that they want to see people laid off. This reduction in force at the county is a huge mistake and one we tax payers will be paying for in the future. Kevin Stufflebean is just in it for the glory. That is why he declared himself roadmaster, developed his own budget, and pushed through the budget before new commissioners could vote on the issue. Very Very sneaky and my question is...why does the county put up with it. I question whether or not it is even legal!!!

Worker wrote on Jan 5, 2009 5:27 PM:

Truth or Lies: You can’t have it both ways. It was said that there was 17 people left in the road department, plus one more as the road master being hired soon. 4 of these positions are very high paid management. Employee left are 2 mechanic, 1acting lead man, 1 crusher operator, 1 powder person, 1 sign and spray person, 1 bridge person. This leaves 7 people as road workers for over 500 miles of county roads. UNLESS all 17 people are going to work on the roads.

Second the statement made about moving rock 75 miles is untrue. We were buying rock from Goulds and Mains rock pits the only time we were hauling 75 miles was when we were stock piling for emergencies only.

We can not expect the public to know all this but efficiency starts at the top they call the shots not the people on the road.

Kaye wrote on Jan 5, 2009 4:20 PM:

the problem does not only extend to the road maintenance crew.
All county staff have over the top benefits with incredible extent of medical coverage. You need to start thinking to participate the employees in the coverage of medical insurance, i.e.
With insurance ridiculously expensive, it's not at all warranted to provide benefits in that extent. Also, it should only be paid for full-time employees with 35 hours minimum. No free dependent coverage either. I know personally of several cases that people have told me their spouses enjoy loafing around or only work part-time b/c the county pays so well for their insurance, too

To HMMM wrote on Jan 5, 2009 4:16 PM:

I worked there for 13 years and left to go to work for someone who can get the job done without going up the chain of command to remove some mud or rocks off the road. It's high time we contract the road work to a company that want's to make $$$$ not spend it.

heres the problem wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:57 PM:

The road dept has opperated the same way for the last 50+ years. They don't know any other way. All of the former roadmasters have been brought up through the ranks, doing what every other RM did befor him. Only problem with that is the $$$. WE DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE. New ideas need to happen. WE NEED A COUNTY MANAGER. A REAL PROFESSIONAL.... not the 3 jokes we have now. That, and its time to bid those road jobs out, to private companys. They will do it better and save money. Most companys don't pay drive time...they pay when the job is started, not the 30-45 minutes to hour it takes to get to the job sight. That right there would save lots of $$$.

Ex Roadmaster wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:49 PM:

The bulk of our county hihgway workers that have been hired are from the private sector, the timber industry mostly. These people are not life long public employees. You nay sayers would most likely jump at the chance to work there.
When vacancies have been advertised at the Highway Department, I've seen as many as 80 applications.

Contractors mouths water for a public agency job, because by law, they have to be paid according to the prevailing wage laws, which are higher than those at the Highway Department.

This is a public safety issue and needs closer public scrutiny. The method put forward to impliment this plan was sneaky and unprofessional. What else goes on in county government behind closed doors.

Kermit S wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:26 PM:

The Wagon Road is in fact OPEN. The small slide isn't effecting travel. The Road this time of year is always got a lot of rocks small slides ect. It will be cleaned as needed. Coos County cannot keep it closed. I talked with Kevin at the the county today, and he is very aware the road has to be open at all times except when heavy snow closes it.

Dolly wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:23 PM:

All of you people can whine about all of this because you most likely are not affected personally. Whine all you want about how sloppy you think the job they do is messed up. See how happy you will be hitting potholes and sunken grades. I think that they do very great work. When someone is digging a hole with a backhoe to put in a culvert, I guess you expect the other 5 people to stand in that hole instead of how you think you see it. I Love The County Road Department and think they have done a wonderful job, that is until they had to deal with Stufflebeans handy work. He is the reason for all the lay-offs, so somehow he could find someway of getting more pay for himself, earning it or otherwise.

To Kristie wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:08 PM:

I drove all the way through the wagon rd yesterday and did not see the side near Lost Crk. I did see some rocks and 3 small trees on the road which Huffman and Wright removed. The Outfits that use the road will keep it open because it's there main travel to Roseburg and Dora. Don't try the scare tatics.

Frank Rizzo wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM:

First and fore most I would like to thank the public for not supporting the road department. Today I found out all the great state benefits I now qualify for! Almost 500 bucks a week in unemployment, food stamps, section 8, OHP and much much more! Keep up the pessimistic talk because one way or an other your still paying for me...Once again thank you!

Mike Smith wrote on Jan 5, 2009 2:38 PM:

At MM 30 there's about two hundred yards of hillside plus three or four rocks the size of a carport. Plus a large portion of the road is in the river! So I'm not sure where Ben is coming from?

An other thing I keep hearing is "I pay tax's, blah blah." Well just a little tid bit, the gas you buy is what's pays for your road service. That's why Oregon has a State gas tax.

kristy wrote on Jan 5, 2009 1:34 PM:

Well Ben is in correct I have a photo of the slide at mile post 30 and it won't be removed anytime soon. Take a drive Ben.The slide is just west of where lost creek comes into the Coquille river.

Peanut Gallery wrote on Jan 5, 2009 1:16 PM:

This is a tough situation. You have people losing their jobs; however, you also have a county that is trying to conduct business with fewer resources. If you carve the emotion out of the situation, the county made the right business decision. Handling the rock three times? Come on, common sense will tell you that's not right. Building the infrastructure now will payoff in the future. Personnel alone is not an infrastructure in the business world -- it supports it. Also, the county has traditionally been a safe haven for secure jobs and now they are feeling the pinch like the rest of the economy. Take a step back and ask yourself 'doesn't it make sense that government jobs are also shed when the tax base is shrinking?' Fewer jobs in the private sector = fewer taxes collected to pay the salaries and support services within the government. Bottom line: You can't have larger county operations when you have a soaring unemployment rate within the private sector. If the county reversed their decision, it's a buy now, pay later decision-- Coos County just can't afford it right now and bankruptcy is not an option. Best wishes to everyone involved.

HMMM wrote on Jan 5, 2009 1:13 PM:

To: Former Road Dept Worker. Were you fired or something? If the pay and benefits were great, why didn't you stay? The pay is not anything to write home about, but yes they get vacation and sick leave. And no, some in the private sector do not. Some in private businesses actually get a lot more pay, and have more opportunities for advancement. I work for the county, not for the pay, but for the benefits. I have a very unique job that I can't do just anywhere. I believe that there are about 30 people in Coos County actually trained and certified to do what I do. I work nights, weekends, holidays, 12 hr shifts and all because I love what I do. Don't fault me for the good benefits, be thankful that anyone would want to work for the public. Most expect something for nothing, and someone else to sort out their problems.

rural citizen wrote on Jan 5, 2009 1:02 PM:

Way to go Kevin! It's about time someone stepped up to the plate and cleaned out the dead wood! The County has carried on far too long wasting tax payers funds. For years we have watched the poor job done in "maintaining" our rural roads. Not only is it poor quality work there are usually several standing around watching 2 people work! In addition they have left messes behind and not cleaned up after themselves. I do have sympathy for those families who are depending on the income from those positions, but that is 22 families as opposed to the thousands of others who are paying for their slovenly work. They have all received more than the legally required time for dismissal. In these difficult financial times many will suffer and our Coos County employees are not exempt from this hardship.

Concerned wrote on Jan 5, 2009 12:49 PM:

Seems like Road Maintenance should be of high priority. Personal Cuts should not exceed needed maintenance. As well, if roads are not maintained adequately, sooner or later, a much greater cost will need to be dealt with. If they can make cuts and sustain the roads....fine.

Just An Observer wrote on Jan 5, 2009 12:29 PM:

Asphalt costs are WAY up. On top of that, older worn-down equipment costs plenty to maintain and it needs to be replaced. If the workers want to object on a piece-by-piece basis over this item, let them bring forth the fleet maintenance records so this subject can be discussed professionally instead of simply tearing into the decision with broad brush strokes.


All we really need it seems is someone to look at the roads and call a private contractor in when fixes are needed.

Ben wrote on Jan 5, 2009 11:25 AM:

Your picture on the front page is misleading. The wagon rd was not shut down because of a slide it was because of deep snow and ice. 22 get laid off and people go nuts. When RFP laid off 150 people didn't say a thing. The fact is the Coos Bay Wagon Rd. is alway's either snow in or something in the winter. I'm working in that area now and know this for a fact.

A Former Rd Dept Worker wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:59 AM:

Sounds like Stufflebean and Whitty Are doing the right thing. For too long the road department has enjoyed a lush way of life. Six people to do one persons job. Many of them don't even bother to go to work because they have so much sick leave coming to them . The pay and other benifits are way out of line compared to what a privite company pay's.


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