A question of fire protection

By Jessica Musicar, Staff Writer
Thursday, January 01, 2009 | 20 comment(s)

Some rural areas lack ways to fight structure fires

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When the home of fellow Allegany residents went up in a blaze around midnight Monday, Howard Edwards grabbed his water pump. He rushed to protect neighboring houses.

He remained at the home up the West Fork of the Millicoma River for more than three hours. Firefighters from the Coos Forest Protective Association arrived and stayed 45 minutes to ensure a fire wouldn’t erupt in nearby trees. They and the home owners could only watch as the house at 67520 West Fork Millicoma Road burned.

Neighbors said the owners of the 1,672 square-foot home, Robert Yesser and Jane Cross, are staying at the Red Lion Hotel in Coos Bay. The pair declined assistance from the American Red Cross and was unavailable before press time.

The state will not investigate the cause of the fire, said Bob Wright, a supervising deputy for the Office of the State Fire Marshal.

He said he learned of the fire the evening it occurred and contacted the Coos Bay Fire Department, because it was the closest fire agency to the scene. But he has not been to the site and the state will not investigate the fire unless home owners request it.

CFPA’s firefighters aren’t trained nor equipped to battle structure fires. Nor could other local fire department have done any better — there aren’t any. The house and many others in Allegany aren’t included in any city or rural fire protection districts.

“It’s a way of life. That’s what you take with where you live,” Edwards said on Tuesday, adding he is aware CFPA’s hands are tied. “They’re not going to touch anything unless its burning trees.

“They wouldn’t let anybody die. But they have to go along with their bylaws.”

Even if Coos Bay fire trucks had responded, it wouldn’t have made much of a difference, said Fire Chief Stan Gibson. It would have taken too long to get there to save the structure and if they had gone, the city of Coos Bay would’ve been stuck with the bill.

“We would have been closest but there is no way we would have responded, because they are not paying for the service. They don’t belong to the taxing district,” Gibson said.

It’s a somewhat hazardous yet not uncommon situation for people residing in rural areas.

“For people who live outside of a fire district they may be saving money on their taxes. However they are paying increased costs for their homeowner’s insurance and receive no protection,” Gibson said.

CFPA is responsible only for wildfire protection in a district covering 1.5 million acres of private, county, state and Bureau of Land Management lands in Coos, Curry and Western Douglas counties.

Nils Storksen, the unit forester for CFPA’s Coos Bay office, said the association doesn’t fight structure fires because staff members are only trained for wildland fire suppression. They haven’t been trained to handle burning buildings.

“Even our fire trucks that we use, they don’t meet specifications required for safety standards,” Storksen said. “They don’t hold enough water. They don’t pump enough water. All in all, wildland and structure fire, they are totally different arenas.”

Rich Hoover, the State Fire Marshal’s public information officer, said residents in unprotected areas throughout the state do have an option. They can work together to start their own fire district. It just takes money, manpower and possibly a tax base.

“They just have to realize that if they want to form a district there will be some cost associated with that,” Hoover said.

He described another rural community in Central Oregon that faced the same problem. Residents founded the Three Rivers Rural Fire Protection District in June.

 “I just think they thought protection was a good idea,” Hoover said. “They didn’t want to be unprotected.”

Art Klingsporn, the chief of Three Rivers Rural Fire Protection District, said they raised money and passed a ballot measure to get the district started. Its directors also signed a mutual aid agreement for extra protection. Now, if a fire threatens the area, other fire agencies can lend a hand.

“We wanted help,” he said.

Although Allegany remains without fire protection, the issue of a fire district has been brought up.

A 30-plus year resident of Allegany, Edwards said locals discussed it some time ago.

“I’m sure after this there might be a lot more conversation,” he said. “It wouldn’t be a bad idea but you’ve got to have everyone involved.”
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Bryce wrote on Jan 7, 2009 5:45 PM:

I don't understand why the CFPA isn't trained in structure protection. Our wildland agencies in Nevada are trained. The training, while difficult, isn't impossible, particularly if the firefighters are already trained in wildfire techniques. I think that some response would be better than watching the houses burn.

moonpenny wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:25 PM:

When you choose to build in the sand on a beach, or perilously perched over a cliff or way out in rural country, your community services do not follow you. It is at your OWN risk that you choose to live there. Make provisions for an accident or not. Its YOUR choice.

smd wrote on Jan 6, 2009 11:49 AM:

I posted this on the other article but I think the top section deserves repeating:
It is sad indeed that the home burned down and along with it all the things that the family worked hard to get. Memories that are not replaceable. My thoughts and hopes are with them and maybe we can start some sort of fund to help them out of this crisis.

However, the sad truth is that CFPA did what they could which was make sure that nothing surrounding the home caught on fire inadvertently protecting the neighbors or any further damage.

By the way...I'm not sure many of you realize this but 200 gallons is not a lot of water. It is actually sizeable to a small swimming pool so had they used all of their water on the structure they would not have had any remaining to stop the fire from spreading. Also, not having been trained on structural fires, I'm sure they would not have known which areas to spray first to prevent further damage.

Community members of Allegany should probably consider a volunteer fire department or something similar.

 wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:36 AM:

Bret,
Please research before you post. Your inflammatory comments are completely unproductive and are really senseless. This was resolved earlier in the week.

To the Bloggers wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:58 AM:

I agree with FireGuy,,,I would add though - if you have time enough to Blog you have time to join a fire department, the majority of our are volunteer (even though they are semi supported by a tax base) If you feel that you are not physically fit enough - Most have a support organization that raises money (no tax base is large enough) and or provides support (coffee, sandwiches, maming the phone) during an emergency.

Bret wrote on Jan 1, 2009 6:58 PM:

I am totaly discusted to learn that the cfpa responders to this house did nothing to try and stop what they could.200 gallons of water on a fire is what its meant for and certianly better than simply leaving it in the truck. if someone sees a person dying from a car crash they would try and help,and NOT just sit in the truck because they were not trained!

nelly wrote on Dec 31, 2008 10:48 PM:

I thought the remarks made about the fire, " thats what people get for living up there!" was very very mean hearted, I know that alot of people in Coos County are depressed, but that takes the cake!
I do not live in Allegany,or Coos bay, but I have family up there,I have never seen in years such caring, loving, friendly people that knock on your door to check on you, any problems, they are there to help, What a community! I really hope that they can get a fire truck,form volunteers and start thier own little dept. because they are a great bunch of people! May God Bless the family during this time of sorrow,and I bet they have neighbors that are there for them!

local yokel wrote on Dec 31, 2008 6:56 PM:

My grandfather, right or wrong, named this Allegany area for my grandmother, his moutain mama from western Maryland, Verna. He had a cabin on this west fork, etc. These problems weren't there then, what happened???

Rebecca Anderson wrote on Dec 31, 2008 6:50 PM:

This I know, what's really really right, is still really really right, what I don't understand is why someone would have a bigger house (over 1600 sq ') without protection from fire, or why "it isn't my job" crew would be called in to help????

fnord wrote on Dec 31, 2008 6:01 PM:

you guys aren't blogging, here, you're leaving comments on a newspaper article on its website. You blog when you have your own site to spout your opinions from.

Timeout wrote on Dec 31, 2008 5:28 PM:

This is a sad story and I feel empathy for the homeowners. This thought may be of no consequence, since I don't know the area and haven't lived in that rural a town, but in the old days didn't neighbors pitch in and help?

YOU BET wrote on Dec 31, 2008 5:20 PM:

A lot of emotional issues are printed in the paper, and many respond. However; a little research and education can go a long way on these blogs!!

George B. wrote on Dec 31, 2008 4:19 PM:

If we all just could get a free lunch, everything would be fine.

Coos County Blogger wrote on Dec 31, 2008 3:14 PM:

To Fire Guy:
I totally agree with you, I like reading the blogs but sometimes I am so busy blogging the bloggers to apologize for their rude remarks to these people in stories they know nothing about. I feel like this is just a site for malicious people to get their aggression out. Thanks for your remarks.

CB lady wrote on Dec 31, 2008 2:50 PM:

It sounds like it would be worth while for the allegany residents to establish some sort of fire protection and EMS plan.

just me wrote on Dec 31, 2008 2:32 PM:

O.K., O.K., I guess it is time for me to eat a little crow! I apologize for the statement I made on the earlier comment section. I guess I just didn't really understand the whole situation and what the CFPA actually does and doesn't do. So, I am sorry. It is sad though that these folks lost their home and all their belongings. This is a good idea also.

Larry wrote on Dec 31, 2008 2:19 PM:

The fire district I live in, if your a tax paying citizen of that fire district it doesnt cost you a dime for calling for help. From my understanding the only people that pay are the one's who dont live in that tax paying district.

I think its a great idea!

Mary wrote on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM:

Not only would it be great for the people that live here but the people who visit and work. During the the fall and winter months there's hunters and fisherman! During the spring there's campers and swimmers and hikers. Also, On a regular a basis you hear of a car in the river or a logger hurt in the woods!!!

Jake wrote on Dec 31, 2008 2:11 PM:

I think it's a great idea...Not only fire surpression but also EMS. Having people in that area trainded in firefighting and EMS will make a diffrence between life and death!

Also there's alot of special grants just for this reason.

FireGuy wrote on Dec 31, 2008 1:34 PM:

Thank you, World Newspaper. I can't speak for all of the structural firefighters in the region, but we respect CFPA personnel for the outstanding job that they do. They are great firefighters and really do care.

As the article explains in exact detail why CFPA couldn't fight this fire. Thanks to Chief Gibson also for setting the record straight.

How about we make a little pledge Coos County bloggers. Before you open your mouth, how about we engage our brains That's not asking too much, is it?


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