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Lastest news on lng resolution passed by the State Land Board this week wrote on Dec 12, 2008 8:46 AM:
Resolution passed by the State Land Board this week
Brett VandenHeuvel added, " Oregon cannot issue a lease of state land unless importing LNG is necessary. The Board determined that there is no proven need for LNG!
"The Land Board has full authority to deny the state land lease for LNG
According to Oregon laws, the leases must be denied unless there is a proven public interest, and the Resolution concluded that "there is presently little justification for the establishment of any LNG import terminals in Oregon ."
The strongly worded resolution was issued by the three-member Board, which consists of Governor Ted Kulongoski, Secretary of State Bill Bradbury, and Treasurer Randall Edwards!
No land permits = No Lng for Oregon PERIOD, no matter what FERC says!
Brett VandenHeuvel added, " Oregon cannot issue a lease of state land unless importing LNG is necessary. The Board determined that there is no proven need for LNG!
"The Land Board has full authority to deny the state land lease for LNG
According to Oregon laws, the leases must be denied unless there is a proven public interest, and the Resolution concluded that "there is presently little justification for the establishment of any LNG import terminals in Oregon ."
The strongly worded resolution was issued by the three-member Board, which consists of Governor Ted Kulongoski, Secretary of State Bill Bradbury, and Treasurer Randall Edwards!
No land permits = No Lng for Oregon PERIOD, no matter what FERC says!
Jane wrote on Dec 11, 2008 3:31 PM:
What part of the following don't you understand Native:
1) Structure at Jordan Cove will NOT meet DLCD 2002 Tsunami zone reqirements.
2) LNG ships having known 2 mile hazard burn zone & traveling within a 1/2 mile of populated area here (affecting 17,000 people).
3) California & many areas have rejected LNG for being a air polluter.
4) LNG is 2X more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon citizens & exists MORE dependence on foreign countries for our energy needs.
5) How 400 Oregon property owners will be FORCED to sell their land to foreign investors.
6) How explosion in Appomattox County, VA could happen here at Jordan Cove (Miles instead of yards).
7) How LNG ship will have negative effect on fishing boats & NEW Airport flights.
8) How no local will qualify for any of the jobs at Jordan Cove.
9) The little extra tax money will be dumbed in indebt rail line & New Airport!
10) Every poll taken & even Oregon's Dept of Energy says NO to this SCAM!
1) Structure at Jordan Cove will NOT meet DLCD 2002 Tsunami zone reqirements.
2) LNG ships having known 2 mile hazard burn zone & traveling within a 1/2 mile of populated area here (affecting 17,000 people).
3) California & many areas have rejected LNG for being a air polluter.
4) LNG is 2X more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon citizens & exists MORE dependence on foreign countries for our energy needs.
5) How 400 Oregon property owners will be FORCED to sell their land to foreign investors.
6) How explosion in Appomattox County, VA could happen here at Jordan Cove (Miles instead of yards).
7) How LNG ship will have negative effect on fishing boats & NEW Airport flights.
8) How no local will qualify for any of the jobs at Jordan Cove.
9) The little extra tax money will be dumbed in indebt rail line & New Airport!
10) Every poll taken & even Oregon's Dept of Energy says NO to this SCAM!
native wrote on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM:
I wish people would do research about this issue and find out the facts before they just spout off what others say. LNG would be great for this area and it is not nearly as dangerous as people claim. Our port used to be the largest lumber shipping port on the west coast before the timber industry was gutted by the environmentalists. If you don't want jobs and industry here move or go back to where you came from.
I would love to see our kids be able to stay here and raise families not have to move to get a decent job.
I would love to see our kids be able to stay here and raise families not have to move to get a decent job.
Mr. Mojo Rising wrote on Dec 10, 2008 6:46 PM:
To We Are Not Stupid and Jobs: SCDC commissioned a white paper on the economic impact of the LNG facility to the economy of the county. It was conducted and written by EcoNorthest, a highly respected Oregon firm out of Portland. This company had significant repeat business from firms all over because of the accuracy to which its clients can rely on its work. The White Paper was roundly dismissed by the Anti LNG people as some type of slanted conspiracy. If you'd like to know what the real facts are, please read a copy. I know this company's work and I know firms who have spent millions in investment in this community based on their demographic research, business plans and economic impact studies. All of them are still in business!
Jane wrote on Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM:
Gene L,
I agree our Oregon leaders should be concerned with the majority's wishes (Need a state wide vote to determine that), but I do disagree with you on the subject of having an open discussion on this subject (Using facts in a logical manner is good & necessary for any/all undecided Oregon citizens out there to better understand the subject better)! As you know, the people that are against this, have nothing to gain ($$$ wise), unlike the Pro Lng people where $$$ is the motivation for it's support! I do wish Oregon state leaders cared more about it's citizens well being/wishes, then the little tax $$$ they would get from this LNG SCAM, that will only be dumped into it's indebt programs as Rail Line, New Airport, etc!
I agree our Oregon leaders should be concerned with the majority's wishes (Need a state wide vote to determine that), but I do disagree with you on the subject of having an open discussion on this subject (Using facts in a logical manner is good & necessary for any/all undecided Oregon citizens out there to better understand the subject better)! As you know, the people that are against this, have nothing to gain ($$$ wise), unlike the Pro Lng people where $$$ is the motivation for it's support! I do wish Oregon state leaders cared more about it's citizens well being/wishes, then the little tax $$$ they would get from this LNG SCAM, that will only be dumped into it's indebt programs as Rail Line, New Airport, etc!
Gene L wrote on Dec 8, 2008 1:18 PM:
Not that other Gene. Most certainly I have an opinion about the safety and need for LNG in this area but the enemy is not my neighbor who disagrees with me. There is a law on the books in Oregon which prevents the siting of an LNG facility on the North Spit but the 2005 Energy Bill granted FERC the right to override the law. All arguments between us are moot. The name calling should stop. We should be petitioning the government to have our voice restored.
La Rene wrote on Dec 7, 2008 7:26 PM:
Without fear of the LNG it is of great concern where through the state it will be! Over the hill to Canyonville,over the devide,cross Rogue so wide, private property,BE DAMNED! Down your throat it will be rammed!
We are not stupid wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:32 AM:
I live here. To those of you who are for LNG:How many jobs will this really bring? Does anyone actually know? What are the qualifications for those jobs? Do you know? In exchange for those jobs, do you know how much private property (not commercial)will be TAKEN for the pipeline? This issue is pitting neighbors against each other. I certainly agree with those folks that say our area should be for more than just retired folks to enjoy. We DO need jobs, and not just minimum wage jobs. But is this really our solution or are we simply grabbing at anything in desperation? Desperate people usually make poor decisions. I submit there is a solution to our economic challenges. It shouldn't come from outside. We have highly educated people right here in the area. We have an awesome workforce ready for the opportunity. We just need a better idea than LNG. We are better than this. We are not just a bunch of ignorant loggers hoping for mill jobs to come back; we are willing and able for an industry appropriate for our area and our way of life.
Jobs wrote on Dec 6, 2008 2:37 PM:
It may be only 20 jobs, but what doesn't include the spin off work that will be created. I'm sure you can double that amount. Plus the tax revenue that will be generated is more than what we are getting now! One other point, with the new terminal and large ships coming in, it justifies the continuing effort to dedge the Bay. That alone will help lure in new industries to our port. IT'S A PORT PEOPLE!!! If you don't like it, live in Bandon, it's beautiful there.
I am a registered republican and dont want this lng here or in the usa wrote on Dec 6, 2008 7:41 AM:
This Lng is OLD way of thinking people, anytime you increase your dependence on foreign countries for anything especially energy needs, you are worse off (Anyone remember the 1970's oil embargo where OPEC stopped selling to the USA & oil/gas prices tripled in a very short period of time???)! A no brainer on this being bad for Oregon & the USA, very little to gain (A few extra tax dollars, that'll just be dumped into Oregon's welfare system, rail line or New Aiport debt ridden programs going to nowhere fast), but alot to lose (Higher natural gas prices, due to Lng being more expensive, Oregon land lost, especially to the 400 directly affected citizens, air polluter & safety issues that will NEVER get better)! This Republican says NO this useless Lng idea & SCAM is a good word to describe it also!
P.S. Glad someone cares for Oregon citizens that live on or near the coast!
P.S. Glad someone cares for Oregon citizens that live on or near the coast!
ToSTAY OUT wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:34 PM:
The majority of people do not want LNG here. I applaud Mr.Prince's effort. There are plenty of fast food places, if the PRO-LNG people are desperate for jobs! The minnimun goes to $8.40 an/hour. starting in JAN 2009
everyman wrote on Dec 5, 2008 5:38 PM:
HAHAHAHAHAHA...Hey Jane, Common sense, Wow, and whatever name you post under,...you better get your typing fingers warmed up...we are growing...AND WE ARE NO LONGER SILENT!!!!!
Your thinly veiled socialistic plan for the south coast is soon to be run out of town on a rail...More specifically, on the Coos Bay Rail....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...(I love it when a plan comes together!)
Your thinly veiled socialistic plan for the south coast is soon to be run out of town on a rail...More specifically, on the Coos Bay Rail....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...(I love it when a plan comes together!)
Stay out.. wrote on Dec 5, 2008 1:40 PM:
If you don't live here, keep your opinion to yourself. We need the tax revenue and jobs-and it will be more than 20 jobs. But even at 20 jobs, family wages would be nice, even having workers moving in with children for our schools, buying a few homes and paying taxes.. I say stay out of our choice..
Something to think about wrote on Dec 5, 2008 12:14 PM:
Why does Bob Braddock changes his facts & figures on every detail of this Lng at Jordan Cove? Examples:
1) Full time Employement for locals of this area:
First it was hundreds of full time jobs, then it was around 100-120, then it was 52, now it 39 & no locals will qualify for those jobs due to education & experience requirements!
Bob Braddock paid reports/polls:
1) Lng at Jordan Cove is safe in Tsunami zone for 55 foot waves, yet DLCD says up to 100 foot waves in pamplets handed out to the public at Oregon's visiting centers!
2) Says majority of Oregon citizens are in favor of this, yet ONLY 400 voters were polled vs Millions that live here & every poll in newspapers (Including the World) & radio's show it running about 2 to 1 against!
At a meeting last year, Bob Braddock said this structure could withstand a 9.3 Earthquake, yet when someone asked for the detailed engineering drawing, bob said he forgot to bring it with him!
Anyone see the obvious here, Bob Braddock will say or do anything to "con" this project through!
1) Full time Employement for locals of this area:
First it was hundreds of full time jobs, then it was around 100-120, then it was 52, now it 39 & no locals will qualify for those jobs due to education & experience requirements!
Bob Braddock paid reports/polls:
1) Lng at Jordan Cove is safe in Tsunami zone for 55 foot waves, yet DLCD says up to 100 foot waves in pamplets handed out to the public at Oregon's visiting centers!
2) Says majority of Oregon citizens are in favor of this, yet ONLY 400 voters were polled vs Millions that live here & every poll in newspapers (Including the World) & radio's show it running about 2 to 1 against!
At a meeting last year, Bob Braddock said this structure could withstand a 9.3 Earthquake, yet when someone asked for the detailed engineering drawing, bob said he forgot to bring it with him!
Anyone see the obvious here, Bob Braddock will say or do anything to "con" this project through!
Glenn wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:24 AM:
I think it may be time to earnestly start forming the State of Jefferson again. The people to the north are trying to double cross the southern part of the state again. They don't want jobs here so that they can have unobstructed views of the coast. How would they like it if all the jobs were driven away up north so that we had an unobstructed view of the valley? As to the people claiming that this pipeline wouldn't bring in jobs for the south coast think about this: Who will feed, clothe, house, provide medical care for, educate their kids, provide recreation for, & support the people working for the pipeline? Just because everyone on the south coast isn't qualified to run the pipeline it doesn't mean that there won't be any jobs from it. Crack open an economics book sometime...
Joe Sixpack wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:22 AM:
Most of you need to stick your head in the ground and let some development happen around you! You Don't get a gob from a poor people and you try to make your money grow by investing with those mean old corporations you seam to want to tax to death! The banks need some of you put money in so people who have dreams can get loans. As for the people who have moved hear to retire don't like taxes for any reason. PS some of you think we need to look out for the comets from space or don't let any one move here with out a back ground check and or a job BEFORE they get hear. IT CAN GET WORSE
Steve Pickering wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:52 AM:
The dangers may or may not be real, but there is another issue.
We are trying to wean ourselves of foreign energy. We are trying to support existing local businesses, and we want Oregon to be for Oregonians.
This project is a foreign company with foreign investors wanting to build a foreign operated plant to import foreign energy to sell to a domestic foreign market (California) and returning the profits to a foreign country (Canada). The money will not stay here.
Support Oregon. Support the Coos Bay Area. Support local business who already employ thousands in the service industries. When this refinery drives away the tourist, who will employ the thousands already employed whose jobs are being put in peril for 20 short term jobs (These LNG operations are bailing out all over the world.) Even if they hired a hundred people(and they won't) they will displace hundreds more who are already working. Hope is great when your hungry, but do you want to hope for a menial job at the LNG facility at the expense of your neighbors who would lose their jobs?
We are trying to wean ourselves of foreign energy. We are trying to support existing local businesses, and we want Oregon to be for Oregonians.
This project is a foreign company with foreign investors wanting to build a foreign operated plant to import foreign energy to sell to a domestic foreign market (California) and returning the profits to a foreign country (Canada). The money will not stay here.
Support Oregon. Support the Coos Bay Area. Support local business who already employ thousands in the service industries. When this refinery drives away the tourist, who will employ the thousands already employed whose jobs are being put in peril for 20 short term jobs (These LNG operations are bailing out all over the world.) Even if they hired a hundred people(and they won't) they will displace hundreds more who are already working. Hope is great when your hungry, but do you want to hope for a menial job at the LNG facility at the expense of your neighbors who would lose their jobs?
Canada or Eugene wrote on Dec 5, 2008 7:28 AM:
What is the difference? Both talk funny and think differently than I do. Bob Braddock is from Colorado anyway.
Anti-LNG people quit making it sound like all we have to do is wish for different industry and it will happen. Don't you read the news or are you that oblivious? We are pretty luck Jordan Cove hasn't pulled the plug too.
Anti-LNG people quit making it sound like all we have to do is wish for different industry and it will happen. Don't you read the news or are you that oblivious? We are pretty luck Jordan Cove hasn't pulled the plug too.
No to the LNG wrote on Dec 5, 2008 7:02 AM:
Its only 20 jobs,Fast food places employ that.Why dont we get some kind of manufacturing co.out there instead of something that could potentially create a disaster? Solar panels,Wind turbine.This is the future.Its time we get in the race not the RAT race.
About time wrote on Dec 4, 2008 7:13 PM:
It's about time! I see the majority of opinions here are coming from the pro LNG voices. Before, it was always the same folks throwing out the constant BS over the LNG terminal. The fact is, we all know that it has nothing to do with safety or fear. The real fear is that they don't want the ships, trucking, industry, ANY kind of growth in the Bay Area. It's the same folks who shoot down anything and everything that is proposed to coming in... Thank you to all those in favor and are now speaking out.
Thomas wrote on Dec 4, 2008 6:32 PM:
Only point worth noting about this that when democracy is suppressed, what do you expect the people to do?
LNG is now a 'Dead Horse' hereabouts anyway, so why bother to beat it.
LNG is now a 'Dead Horse' hereabouts anyway, so why bother to beat it.
Wow wrote on Dec 4, 2008 6:07 PM:
Everyman and the rest of Bobs cheerleaders sound worried. What a bunch of idiotic posts by that camp.
Lets see a guy from Eugene, or a guy from canada, who would most likely represent Oregonians best interest?
Lets see a guy from Eugene, or a guy from canada, who would most likely represent Oregonians best interest?
What part of NO jobs that locals will qualify for dont you understand wrote on Dec 4, 2008 5:25 PM:
There are NO jobs that locals will get with this Calfornia Lng SCAM...outsiders will laugh & thank you for the jobs all the way to the bank, as you hold your breath an Lng ship doesn't blow up & produce a 2 mile hazard burn zone directly affecting 17K along the bay & coast of this area & 230 miles of unmanned 36 inch burst a leak & starts an out of control forest fire from lightening that occurs alot in Oregon! All the few desperate ignorant people that think this Lng SCAM is the answer should get educated on this Lng SCAM & then go back to school & learn how to function in the REAL world!
Alex wrote on Dec 4, 2008 5:05 PM:
Forget disasters. Someone tell me what the advantages are to we local residents. If it's only 20 jobs is the downgrading of our natural area worth it?
Heres Some Real News wrote on Dec 4, 2008 3:33 PM:
Yep - I just saw a flying pig go by... just before the "Big One" hits the South Coast and takes us all out to sea... let's see... when was the last LNG "disaster" in the US? Oh yeah - there never has been a single "disaster" --- I wish the vocal 1% of the population would stop spreading their @#$% and allow the rational people to live here and enjoy some semblance of a hope for a "modern life" instead of wanting this area to become a tree hugging commune!
Gene wrote on Dec 4, 2008 3:23 PM:
There isn't any common sense involved with comments about 100 foot waves. If they even knew a little about the physics of hydraulics they would know it isn't even possible for a 100 foot wave to make it to the beach. It would crest and break in about 100 fathoms. The serge of water would be the main problem which would be like the tide coming in and going out in an hour or so. The problems start when it is already high tide. If, and I say IF, any of these events happened to create a 100 foot tsunami, you would be better off grabbing your ankles and kissing your, well, you know the rest.
Curious wrote on Dec 4, 2008 3:19 PM:
I want to know why someone in Eugene is taking the LNG facility to the Oregon Supreme Court. Who is he working for, and what organization does he represent. I'm tired of the Willamette valley environmentalists trying to dictate what happens on the Oregon coast.
cb wrote on Dec 4, 2008 2:45 PM:
Lets see, getting burned to death, or drowning in a tsunami, not a good choice, but I am sure getting burned to death, hurts a lot lot more .
For a few feathers in someones hat and a very few jobs, is it worth it to have these monster ships coming in here with a possibility of burning us to death in an accident, and having all boats and ships not moving when the LNG ships come in ???? I think not.
We need a lot lot more jobs than the LNG would bring in here. Not worth it..
For a few feathers in someones hat and a very few jobs, is it worth it to have these monster ships coming in here with a possibility of burning us to death in an accident, and having all boats and ships not moving when the LNG ships come in ???? I think not.
We need a lot lot more jobs than the LNG would bring in here. Not worth it..
Randy Prince- wrote on Dec 4, 2008 2:35 PM:
He read Chicken Little too many times and took it too literally. Is he afraid of eggs too? (Humpty Dumpty?)
homeowner wrote on Dec 4, 2008 2:04 PM:
Having an earthquake, then possibly a series of tsunamis hit the coast is bad enough. A flaming tsunami sounds like an alcoholic drink and would be comical if the devastation potential wasn't so horrific. Let's listen to science instead of the same old drumbeat of another buck. Ignorance isn't bliss.
everyman wrote on Dec 4, 2008 1:40 PM:
So, we shouldn't build this LNG plant in a tsunami zone........... why, again?
We allow homes, gas stations, shopping centers, tourist areas, etc to exist and be built in tsunami zones...and with half the regs that this one would be built under.
And (and this cracks me up) a 100-foot wave hits here...the south coast would be wiped off the face of the earth...and you really think an LNG facility being there or not being there would matter????
We allow homes, gas stations, shopping centers, tourist areas, etc to exist and be built in tsunami zones...and with half the regs that this one would be built under.
And (and this cracks me up) a 100-foot wave hits here...the south coast would be wiped off the face of the earth...and you really think an LNG facility being there or not being there would matter????
When Will it End wrote on Dec 4, 2008 1:10 PM:
Land Use Planning, County Commissioners, LUBA, State Court of Appeals....come on, stop delaying JOBS. This is not going to be overturned. Period. If your tactic is to stall this until the "money runs out"...think again, CAVE people!
everyman wrote on Dec 4, 2008 1:00 PM:
If a 100 foot tsunami hit the south coast...would you:
A - begin typing your editorial to the newspaper so you can rant and say "I told you so, LNG SCAM, BURN ZONE"?
B - Immediately blame global warming and evil corporate America for causing the tsunami?
C - Not care about an LNG plant because it, along with everything you cherish in this world (along with your life, perhaps) would be destroyed and there would be no "south coast" left to build upon?
A - begin typing your editorial to the newspaper so you can rant and say "I told you so, LNG SCAM, BURN ZONE"?
B - Immediately blame global warming and evil corporate America for causing the tsunami?
C - Not care about an LNG plant because it, along with everything you cherish in this world (along with your life, perhaps) would be destroyed and there would be no "south coast" left to build upon?
Where it belongs to go due to the Goodoleboy system of ignoring things they dont like wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:03 PM:
How the county, appeal court & the rest can just ignore the obvious "The Tsuanmi Hazard Zone" along the Oregon coast where it legally states on Highway 101 that you are entering or leaving a Tsunami Hazard Zone! Also the pamplets handed out at Oregon's visitor centers along Highway 101, stating info about the Tsunami Hazard Zone, talking about the up to 100 foot Tsunami waves caused by a Major earthquake fault (30 to 50 miles off the coast of Oregon), showing a map of the Tsunami Hazard Zone areas & where to go to be safe! If the Oregon supreme court ignores this critical safety "legal" issue then it should be moved forward into the Federal supreme court due to that critical safety "legal" issue of Oregon citizens in or near that Tsunami Hazard Zone area!
Crescendo wrote on Dec 4, 2008 10:51 AM:
All this concern about tsunamis is almost comical. If a tsunami hits Coos Bay the LNG depot will be the least of everyone's concerns. We live under the threat of tsunamis. California deals with earthquakes. The midwest has tornados. The southeast has hurricanes. The south has floods.
Let's move forward and get some JOBs into this area.
Let's move forward and get some JOBs into this area.
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