Debate over Hollering Place simmers in Empire

By Alexander Rich, Staff Writer
Saturday, November 22, 2008 | 11 comment(s)

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COOS BAY — Laurie Moore has heard a lot about the Hollering Place since opening her coffee house in the heart of the Empire district.

Java Jones hosts the monthly meetings of Concerned Citizens of Empire, where the subject has become a hot topic. In between, regulars often come in for a cup of joe and a chance to share their two cents.

Moore sees progress on the project, though she knows not everyone is in her camp.

“People come in and say, ‘Oh the Hollering Place, what a joke,’” she said.

Hollering Place, at the corner of Newmark Avenue and Empire Boulevard, is the centerpiece of the once-and-future Empire waterfront. The city’s master plan envisions a public-private partnership, featuring an overlook with a retail/visitor information center atop the site’s bluff.

At the lower level, the plan has a restaurant-inn surrounded by retail shops and second-story cottages. A trail would follow the waterfront.

City officials have asked for patience, acknowledging a lot of work is needed before visible changes appear. A key task is attracting a developer who will invest in the project and lead its private-sector aspects.

The Urban Renewal Agency is expected to take some big steps at its next meeting in December. City staff members will ask the agency’s board to accept the site’s master plan, hire a consultant to market it to developers, and approve some preliminary work on the property.

“We are asking for some specific things,” said City Manager Chuck Freeman.

Moore thinks getting work started on the 4-acre site is the best thing to do.

“Show the citizens that something is happening,” she said.

One critic of the current plan is Steve Skinner, a landscape gardener who has been involved in the project from the beginning. He suggests the plan isn’t designed to meet the needs of citizens, but rather to entice businesses to the area.

“It’s not a master plan, it’s a developer’s plan,” he said.

City Councilor Stephanie Kramer can appreciate Skinner’s frustration.

“I think people think it’s not going in the same direction as the original plan,” she said. “What they need to realize is it’s just a concept.”

She noted the city will have a say about what happens with the overlook and will be able to work with a developer to make sure the site’s lower level meets the community’s expectations.

Mayor Jeff McKeown acknowledged there are some who are disappointed with the master plan, but he said that doesn’t mean the project should be held up.

“You will never be able to get exactly what everyone wants,” he said. “What we are trying to do is enhance Empire. We don’t have the money to do it exactly the way we want, so we have to find partners.”

Carolyn Slyter, a council member of the Confederated Tribes of Coos, Lower Umpqua, and Siuslaw Indians, said she is glad to see a plan developed and real progress shaping up. But she wants to make sure the area’s history is represented in the project somehow.

“They can’t just not have the tribes there,” she said.

Tom Greaves, who lives across the street from the property, said he is happy to see the project moving forward. He likes that the city is about the hire someone to solicit developers for the project, and understands the master plan is conceptual.

“We just have to have faith and hold tight,” he said.

Yet some people contend their opinions haven’t been heard. One of those is Skinner.

He said criticism seemed unwelcome, after Kramer commented publicly that she had seen too much anger at some of the meetings.

“It felt like if we disagreed with anything, it would be taken as negative,” Skinner said.

Kramer said she had no intention to silence opposition. Her concern was that some criticism in the past had come off as angry.

“I don’t think you get anywhere by doing it that way,” she said. “But I would never tell anyone not to talk.”

Moore was at the Concerned Citizens meeting where Kramer made her comment, and she says some people took the message out of context.

“To me, it sounded like, ‘Give them a break a little,’” she said.

For whatever reason, few critical comments were raised at the final master planning meeting on Nov. 6. But soon afterward, the Concerned Citizens of Empire wrote a letter that raised concerns about preserving the property’s sight lines, improving water access and recognizing the location’s history.

More comments were offered at the Urban Renewal Agency meeting on Tuesday.

Robert Sasanoff was one of the people who spoke. A retired educator and chairman of the city’s historic design review committee, he thinks the city’s master plan may not be expansive enough. Although he hasn’t seen the plan itself, he has seen a map suggesting the focus has been exclusively on the city’s property.

“A master plan is a concept and generally talks about the relationship between the site and the outside area,” he said.

He also suggested a good master plan incorporates the concerns of local residents.

Moore urges patience on the part of Empire citizens. She understands’ the city has to offer developers something to get them to invest in the project. She disagrees that the city won’t listen to residents about their concerns, noting that the agency appeared willing to move the information center so as not to obstruct the view of the bay.

“I believe the city is trying,” she said. “They just need to open up their minds.”
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Joe Sixpack wrote on Nov 29, 2008 9:05 PM:

Some people think that they yelled louder then the seas breaking waves at a place you had to use a boat to get there because
only a Ferry to North Bay drive was there! Some one wanted to do something at the old mill site north of pigeon point without public money but some didn't like that so it died. So just say no to a waste of land go to Coos head and latch on to the Indian dream and stay out of the public pocket book because some dreams are just BAD!!

MrButterbur wrote on Nov 28, 2008 4:05 PM:

Change the name, first. It's just plain lame. Pick something that stirs the imagination in another, more positive, direction.

Stop be ungrateful wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:22 PM:

Instead of certain people being appreciative of the progress this project has made, they have to ruin it for everyone. This project wouldn't be where it is at, in the planning stages, if it were not for the persistance of Ms Kramer and the current City Manager. I have been to the meetings and it seems Mr Skinner always has a problem with something and the funny thing is this guy doesn't even live in Empire or anywhere else in Coos Bay for that matter. Why doesn't Mr Skinner work on a project in his own town and quit trying to stifle progress in Coos Bay. Some times when we complain about the little things it drives people away from working on the big things. This does not have to be a negative issue, we should be happy it will bring in businesses and tourism. BE THANKFUL PEOPLE

The Name wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:53 AM:

I heard the name comes from "what it was", because there was no bridge across people would "holler" acroos to the other side to bring a boat across. No Cell phone coverage at that point in history! LOL It's all to do with the history of the place. Did you know that Empire used to be the Seat of Coos County? Lot's of history there.

Rebecca Anderson wrote on Nov 23, 2008 7:29 PM:

To Coos Bay Citizen, must be a new Coos Bay Citizen.......why do we want progress??? This used to be a beautiful productive community with some of the best schools in the nation, just seems to me (Class of 1965-Marshfield) that we should go backward, to how it was then, admittingly a lot of the money being made was from restoring the mess that was made from WWII, but heck now we got the mess from WWIII.

Rebecca Anderson wrote on Nov 23, 2008 7:23 PM:

That's good from Ononomous, although think he/she? should not remain Ononomous!!!!, WHY is it called the Hollering Place, in 40's thru what the 70's? it was the site of the BYOB old Balboa Club, "Balboa something" could sure at least sound better..........?

Out of town Planning wrote on Nov 23, 2008 2:25 PM:

If the City really cared about the "local" approval perhaps they should have hired a LOCAL firm to perform the preliminary layouts rather than a high caliber out-of-town firm. The out of town firms do not care about local aspects, but they do care about developers.

They went with the cheaper $$$, not for the local designers or their ideas. You get what you pay for COOS BAY!

Curt wrote on Nov 23, 2008 2:10 AM:

I cant help but wonder how we can talk about our wonderful views of the bay on one hand, then consider allowing a dirty and dangerous LNG facility to permanently mar them for everyone.

Rebecca Anderson wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:21 PM:

Still can't stand the name chosen for this project, still don't think neighborhood around this project will help it, it's way worse than want is considered "subprime real estate", (check the front page of "The World" tonight....it's also crime infested ....)don't want huge droves of outsiders flocking to it, still can't see it other than another project throwing good money after bad...

ononomous wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:12 PM:

WHY is it called the Hollering Place?

Coos Bay Citizen wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:09 AM:

Here we go again. This area cannot agree on anything. Lets fight about it some more and then nothing will happen.

Second, if the plan is designed to meet a developers needs, then more power to it. After all, you cannot realistically expect a developer to put millions of dollars into a project that is not beneficial to him or her.

Will we ever come together for the greater good of the area? Until we do, progress will continue to elude the Bay Area.


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