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zool wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:34 PM:
More than anything, I want to show sympathy to those who have lost their jobs....
I got my degree at the college and i worked there for a while. There are a lot of hard-working, caring people whom I met there.
It saddens me that this has happened.
To those who've lost their jobs; I'm SORRY! Good luck to you.
To Patty: Good luck also; I knew you to be an intelligent, considerate, honest.... I hope none of that has changed.
I got my degree at the college and i worked there for a while. There are a lot of hard-working, caring people whom I met there.
It saddens me that this has happened.
To those who've lost their jobs; I'm SORRY! Good luck to you.
To Patty: Good luck also; I knew you to be an intelligent, considerate, honest.... I hope none of that has changed.
SOCC Alumnus wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:23 PM:
This place is going downhill fast. I wonder how much enrollment will drop over the year, and into the next? Will my degree even be worth anything after the poor leadership (including the board) wrecks the entire institution?
Whoa wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:00 PM:
What is happening at our college? So, this is how educated professionals act? Shoot, I'll save money sending my kid to college and well attend a monster truck ralley or two. Maybe sum mud restlin' and professional restlin' too! Mybe well let 'em watch xxx movies to boot! This way junior well fit just right with them there edukated folk at swocc, sure enuf.
Thanks for saving me a few bucks!
Thanks for saving me a few bucks!
Cuts follow party lines wrote on Nov 18, 2008 2:56 PM:
The cuts follow the party lines. Foundation was cut dramatically and it is well known Judith had strong supporters in that office. Athletics didn't get cut, housing was left in tact, Patty's student services didn't take a hit, etc. Communications director is leaving...or else it would have been cut too.
Patty and Linda are filling the IOU's and the board is once again approving what they said they didn't approve of earlier.
Patty and Linda are filling the IOU's and the board is once again approving what they said they didn't approve of earlier.
Mike wrote on Nov 18, 2008 2:05 PM:
Just out of curiosity, did the interim President take the pay raise that goes with the new job?
Wasn't Dr. Hansen making upwards of 125k for that job?
That would save the college some money of the new administration did not take the pay raises.
Just an idea from a High School graduate.
Wasn't Dr. Hansen making upwards of 125k for that job?
That would save the college some money of the new administration did not take the pay raises.
Just an idea from a High School graduate.
Well Well Well wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:51 PM:
No cut backs in Dellwood, Housing, Athletics and OCCI! I guess Patty and Linda are paying back the supporters for the support durring the overthrow??
Another SOCC Employee wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:13 PM:
There were several administrator positions cut: community ed director, programing coord, HR recruiter, computer lab supervisor, and foundation director (by 50%). Most are not top administrators of course, but they were exempt employees.
socc employee wrote on Nov 18, 2008 10:26 AM:
As with any other educational setting (I have worked in three school districts in this state over the past 22 years) there is always an inordinate amount of waste in the upper echelon. Not sometimes - ALWAYS. It doesn't matter who makes what - there simply are too many. I have also found that many (not all) people who serve on a board of education do so because of a private agenda. Occassionally, a policy or decision is made that DOES have the student's best interests at heart. And lastly, the cuts made at SOCC were in the form of ONE educator (ELI), and 14 classified staff. Classifieds always 'take it for the team' when cuts are made. How about an administrator for once?
SOCC Student wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:07 AM:
Has anyone ever though about whats going on with the students on campus. They are charging us with late fees but we are all still waiting on our financial aid. Students who depend on this money are being made to pay out of pocket because they don't have their act together. I was told my financial aid would be done in 3 weeks, its now been 3 months.
Another Parent wrote on Nov 18, 2008 8:25 AM:
I too have had the same issues with my child at OCCI. We were promised a tuition waiver that never came to be as well as some real screw ups with the financial aid department. With all the prob
ems there we are bringing are child back to the culinary school in Portland!
ems there we are bringing are child back to the culinary school in Portland!
Poor Patty wrote on Nov 17, 2008 3:02 PM:
People! Enough already!!! You should quit blaming Patty for these layoffs. She's too simple minded to know better. We all know Linda K. is really running the campus!
I guess the only realy qualifications to be president is to have been married to one.
I guess the only realy qualifications to be president is to have been married to one.
SOCC Parent wrote on Nov 17, 2008 2:56 PM:
I'm bringing my daughter home! I have had enough of this place and now you raise fees? What are these fees for exactly? It's like paying taxes and never knowing where you money is going.
My daughter's promised tuition waiver never applied and it's more than half way through the term. Her Financial Aid was done wrong so she now has to wait for it to get fixed. What more could happen? Well, she is not sticking around to find out!
My daughter's promised tuition waiver never applied and it's more than half way through the term. Her Financial Aid was done wrong so she now has to wait for it to get fixed. What more could happen? Well, she is not sticking around to find out!
Programs wrote on Nov 17, 2008 1:05 PM:
I would love to see what programs work and what ones don't. Things I have heard in meetings are the nursing program looses money every year but has great success at geting people jobs, occi looses money every year has little students who stay cooking more than a year or two after school, Fire science appears to make money and puts people to work. These are just the few I hear about. How about a full audit on all programs, see student success rates/longevity at work versus cost/profitability for the program. Let's take a hard look at what revenue comes in from where and how it is working. If a program doesn't cut the mustard then get rid of it!
To The Board wrote on Nov 17, 2008 1:02 PM:
Where were you? You have rubber stamped for three presidents that I know of. Yes, I know some of you did not serve under all presidents but in your time serving, you rubber stamped and gave a green light. Now employees are losing their job and the new president was worse than one's before her.
Will this community ever be able to trust you again? Will our college be able to keep it's doors open? Why did you ever let Steve K. build what we can't afford only to attact students from out of the area?
My kids will have to leave the area in order to get a quality education thanks to your poor decisions.
Will this community ever be able to trust you again? Will our college be able to keep it's doors open? Why did you ever let Steve K. build what we can't afford only to attact students from out of the area?
My kids will have to leave the area in order to get a quality education thanks to your poor decisions.
DRAMA 101 wrote on Nov 17, 2008 12:46 PM:
I think Marcia and Patty need to enroll in drama classes. Those tears are still not believable, girls!
Transparency wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:14 AM:
Well Patty, I've got to hand it to you, you are being very transparent. Especially where these layoffs are concerned. After you assumed the presidency, you made it known you were after the foundation director (who was a good friend of Judith's). And guess what, the foundation office was cut from 2 full time staff to one half time. Sorry students, but this wil definitely affect you. And how about the grants dept. The director left last June, you layed off the grant writer, but the admin asst is still there. A very talented woman but one with absolutely nothing to do. How does this make sense? Oh ya, Gaudette is going to need an asst when he slides into Brecke's spot. This really is pathetic.
Arrogance and Indifference wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:59 AM:
Tom, were you talking about how Patty is handling issues? Or do you prefer the name calling, blame-laying, crying performances she has given?
Board Spending wrote on Nov 17, 2008 12:22 AM:
Will someone please look into board spending habits? Many of the board members have had several trips to DC to "lobby". Other colleges in Oregon do some of this, but not to the extent of SOCC. Also, how much money did the board spend on property last year alone? This is property that won't generate revenue for years to come.
Seems like the board has failed - too much spending, no oversight, and employees lost their jobs because of it.
Seems like the board has failed - too much spending, no oversight, and employees lost their jobs because of it.
Early Retirment Lawsuit wrote on Nov 17, 2008 12:20 AM:
What happened 4-5 years back when SWOCC lost the early retirement lawsuit? Seems like special deals were being made then that cost the college tons of money.
No AD wrote on Nov 17, 2008 12:19 AM:
Time for the AD to go...an adminstrative assistant can schedule games and arrange for refs.
TW wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:26 PM:
To Not an Employee: We will not be able to move forward until a neutral person is in place as our president. Sorry, no can do.
And trust me on this one . . . we don't really need an AD.
And trust me on this one . . . we don't really need an AD.
To Tom Nicholls wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:14 PM:
"Tom Nicholls, the director of enrollment management, expressed frustration about how complaints and concerns of staff members were handled. He said they were treated with arrogance and indifference."
So, Tom, are you talking about Judith or YOURSELF?
So, Tom, are you talking about Judith or YOURSELF?
Funding wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:20 AM:
This is a joke!
If you can't afford to pay people then don't hire them! SOCC is seeming like it needs a bailout and I for one woild never vote for that! This place is sadly managed and should not be loaned a penny. If this is allegedly a teaching place then what lesson are you passing down to students with this type of behavior? Time to close the doors?
If you can't afford to pay people then don't hire them! SOCC is seeming like it needs a bailout and I for one woild never vote for that! This place is sadly managed and should not be loaned a penny. If this is allegedly a teaching place then what lesson are you passing down to students with this type of behavior? Time to close the doors?
darla wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:26 AM:
To "Jacey":
Re: "But then again, a secretary with no degree making $60K is not right either."
So if a secretary had a degree, then the position would be worth $60K?
To "To Darla":
"In the climate of college a degree IS more important than experience. It doesn't make sense to others who see that a degree doesn't make you more qualified in a field. College is different and "Been There" is right, we (the public) need to see what every teacher's degree is. Also, let's keep it fair--if a degree is required no one can teach there without it."
We're not discussing a teaching position here... It's an administrative position.
Re: "But then again, a secretary with no degree making $60K is not right either."
So if a secretary had a degree, then the position would be worth $60K?
To "To Darla":
"In the climate of college a degree IS more important than experience. It doesn't make sense to others who see that a degree doesn't make you more qualified in a field. College is different and "Been There" is right, we (the public) need to see what every teacher's degree is. Also, let's keep it fair--if a degree is required no one can teach there without it."
We're not discussing a teaching position here... It's an administrative position.
Brad wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:05 PM:
And Bush calls himself the education President? This is where all the bailout monies should be spent. Obama, you need to get to work right now!
Hi Patty wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:02 PM:
You are creating some seriously bad karma for yourself. Your shameful display on stage Wednesday was unreal. Show us some class, please. Now you are in charge and it is your turn to take the blame.
If we had a decent board of education you would have been fired after this meeting.
Why did the board react so harshly to Judith but when you do the same thing she was accused of they stand by you on stage? Makes one wonder what is going on behind the scenes at SOCC.
If we had a decent board of education you would have been fired after this meeting.
Why did the board react so harshly to Judith but when you do the same thing she was accused of they stand by you on stage? Makes one wonder what is going on behind the scenes at SOCC.
constructive criticism wrote on Nov 15, 2008 5:33 PM:
A few years back, in yet another time of financial ‘crisis’, Pres. K eliminated the Environmental Science program. Unfortunately, the wrong program was eliminated. ES was a growing and locally indispensible asset that could take advantage of many assets that only exist in and around Coos Bay. At that time, it was argued that the appropriate program to eliminate was the Engineering program which has never and never will be successful in Coos Bay. If you want to increase efficiency and minimize waste, cut the program that should have been eliminated years ago.
SB wrote on Nov 15, 2008 1:21 PM:
Why is Mike Gaudette attending staff meetings? Are they hiring him back? He was Steve's lap dog and helped the college get into this financial mess. Is he now trying to hide what he did? It seems rather suspicious that right as we are cutting people there are talks of hiring others who are friends of Patty and Linda. Also interesting to see that certain departments (who were against Judith) are being rewarded by not being laid off even though they don't appear to have much to do.
Skid Row Joe wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:08 PM:
Seems to me if the past president was the real problem, all the problems would have went away when she did.
It was stupid to blame her for the financial problems that were created before she got here and got worse because of a bad economy.
The new president is not doing so well. I wonder if she will be able to take the kind of heat she dished out . . . or will she just get out of the kitchen?
It was stupid to blame her for the financial problems that were created before she got here and got worse because of a bad economy.
The new president is not doing so well. I wonder if she will be able to take the kind of heat she dished out . . . or will she just get out of the kitchen?
parent wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:54 AM:
Ok you guys Im not going to point any finger at no one. But I am a student at swocc, and if you look at other jobs in the USA that ARE BEING CUT its the job feilds that WE NEED. can you say we are going towards the next depression. We are in need of jobs here in coos bay north bend. its sad another place in town just did a lay off....how sad.
Recall wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:34 AM:
What is the process to start a recall? Abel needs to go, at the very least.
to To Darla wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:33 AM:
the comments were centered around the salary of the IT admin, who is NOT a teacher, she is a technical professional. I invite anyone to compare the skills and expertise for the SOCC IT Director position to that of a similar private job and find the SOCC position overpaid.
OSBA Report - Hugh wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:33 AM:
The OSBA report cannot be released because it contains evaluative records of people's performance, which are not open to public record. If it was made available, a lawsuit would quickly follow.
To Embarrased Employee wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:31 AM:
Patty's best is not good enough. Patty's best falls short of honesty and transparency. Patty's best is repaying the IOU's that put her there. Patty's best, as she has displayed, is to accuse, blame, and continue to hate and discontent in order to deflect the blame. Patty should complete the interim and leave the college or else this mess will never be left behind. Or, and maybe this is what the board wants, Patty needs to get rid of the people who oppose her and establish her own regime...wait, that is exactly what she didn't like about Judith.
VPI wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:27 AM:
I agree, Val is the only one qualified on the exec team. She should be looking for another job where her talents and skills are appreciated. I can't believe she can stomach what happens in those meetings.
IT worker wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:57 AM:
"And why does she have so much pull/control with what goes on within this campus."
Let me guess. Because she has intelligence, knowledge, experience, and a track record of getting the job done? Let me guess again. You lack one or more of the qualities mentioned above?
I don't work at SOCC. I graduated with high honors from one of the top 10 IT schools in the nation. I'm a good analyst and a heck of a computer programmer. However, I don't have the knowledge, experience, or track record it takes to be the IT director of your school.
Let's not get confused about reality here. My piece of paper (degree) doesn't automatically stick 30 years of experience dealing with business processes in my back pocket. For that, I have to work.
Let me guess. Because she has intelligence, knowledge, experience, and a track record of getting the job done? Let me guess again. You lack one or more of the qualities mentioned above?
I don't work at SOCC. I graduated with high honors from one of the top 10 IT schools in the nation. I'm a good analyst and a heck of a computer programmer. However, I don't have the knowledge, experience, or track record it takes to be the IT director of your school.
Let's not get confused about reality here. My piece of paper (degree) doesn't automatically stick 30 years of experience dealing with business processes in my back pocket. For that, I have to work.
Not an Employee wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:24 AM:
I see a lot of blame happening here. People blamed Judith for all the problems, many of which were set in place well before she showed up. It's telling that Judith's head blamer inherited all the power.
Now people are starting to blame the head blamer. The head blamer is in turn still attempting to put all the blame on Judith. Wow, you guys are experts at at passing blame. Now how about putting that surplus energy into figuring out a solution to your problems?
I don't work at SOCC, but I can tell you that wasting time passing blame to others will not solve your problems. Analyze the problems, develop intelligent solutions, and implement the solutions. It's not rocket science. If you let your emotions cloud your judgment and refuse to work together as a team, your problems will only compound.
Now people are starting to blame the head blamer. The head blamer is in turn still attempting to put all the blame on Judith. Wow, you guys are experts at at passing blame. Now how about putting that surplus energy into figuring out a solution to your problems?
I don't work at SOCC, but I can tell you that wasting time passing blame to others will not solve your problems. Analyze the problems, develop intelligent solutions, and implement the solutions. It's not rocket science. If you let your emotions cloud your judgment and refuse to work together as a team, your problems will only compound.
Been There wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:25 PM:
Salaries at community colleges are public record. You can call HR, make a public record request, and they will provide it for you at the cost of reproduction (usually a few bucks for photocopying). You are right, people should see where the waste is.
Hey Mike G. wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:22 PM:
Why wait? You were the budget committee chair that refused to make cuts in June. So, you are confident your budget will be $5 million short? Do you really want us to believe you didn't know? It was done as a final nail in Judith's coffin. The innocent casualities (layoffs) are simply collateral damage. Patty, Speasl, Abel, Jensen, and Gaudette...the truth will be made known.
Interesting Article wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:00 PM:
Community College Week - Issue February 16, 2004. (Can be found in SOCC's library) President Kridelbaugh is quoted as saying the new culinary building would bring in 200 students annually. Hasn't happened. Not even close. Kridelbaugh's report to the board (written) also said that the culinary institute netted $36,000 in profits after all costs including equipment and start-up costs. Not true. Who was doing the numbers then? Gaudette. The article quotes him as saying the profits would repay the bonds. Didn't happen. Lesson learned: This started a long time ago and Gaudette and Kridelbaugh's wife who is now the VP of Admin knew where the skeletons were and how to time an ousting of Judith. Patty simply hopped on the right bus and was willing to be a part of the scandals and lies.
Ms E wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:51 PM:
Val is the only person on the "executive team" who is actually qualified to be there. I sure hope she sticks around.
Embarrassed Employee wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:31 PM:
Shame on all of you for not giving Patty a chance. She's in a tough situation and doing the best she can. I don't see any of you making any better suggestions. Turning lights off, making less copies...... do you REALLY think that is going to save MILLIONS of dollars immediately? Stop being selfish, open you're eyes and quit blaming. We're supposed to move forward and be there for each other. You call this a community college? I'm embarrassed that I work with a bunch of immature babies. Grow up and move on!
Abel and Trust wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:29 PM:
Harry - if you built your relationship with Judith on trust (which is a lie) then you also had a relationship of trust with the rest of the college. You claim the relationship of trust with Judith and the board failed...that means you have also failed the college and lost trust. Resign.
Hugh Menz wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:22 PM:
What happened to the OSBA report. I read the complaints from those who wanted Dr. Hansen gone. They wanted the report to be open. If they are now in charge of the college, have they made the report public?
If not, what could they be hiding? Could be nothing but in situations like these, a more serious investigation might be warrented.
If not, what could they be hiding? Could be nothing but in situations like these, a more serious investigation might be warrented.
To Darla wrote on Nov 14, 2008 6:37 PM:
In the climate of college a degree IS more important than experience. It doesn't make sense to others who see that a degree doesn't make you more qualified in a field. College is different and "Been There" is right, we (the public) need to see what every teacher's degree is. Also, let's keep it fair--if a degree is required no one can teach there without it.
Jacey wrote on Nov 14, 2008 6:27 PM:
The IT Director does an excellent job. We all know this. Is her job worth $87K? Probably not. But then again, a secretary with no degree making $60K is not right either. Patty should have cut some of these salaries so jobs could have been saved. I wonder if Patty got a raise while she is laying people off?
Quit Smirking Patty wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:57 PM:
Patty,
Every time you have one of these "all staff meetings" you blame Judith for our financial problems. you called her a criminal at the last meeting. I think your behavior was ugly and unprofessional. You are making the rest of us look bad. Please pack your bags and don't let the door hit you on your way out!
Marcia, Harry, David and Rick: This college will not heal while you are on the board. You held illegal board meetings which Harry openly admitted to at the last all staff meeting. I beleive if two or more board members meet it is supposed to be an official board meeting and publicized. You also took it upon yourself to manage the college. This went way beyond what is allowed by a board member. YOU ARE WHY MANY OF MY CO WORKERS WERE LAID OFF YESTERDAY!!
Please resign and leave with Patty.
Every time you have one of these "all staff meetings" you blame Judith for our financial problems. you called her a criminal at the last meeting. I think your behavior was ugly and unprofessional. You are making the rest of us look bad. Please pack your bags and don't let the door hit you on your way out!
Marcia, Harry, David and Rick: This college will not heal while you are on the board. You held illegal board meetings which Harry openly admitted to at the last all staff meeting. I beleive if two or more board members meet it is supposed to be an official board meeting and publicized. You also took it upon yourself to manage the college. This went way beyond what is allowed by a board member. YOU ARE WHY MANY OF MY CO WORKERS WERE LAID OFF YESTERDAY!!
Please resign and leave with Patty.
papers please wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:56 PM:
if memory serves, most individuals directly responsible for this financial mess are all extensively degreed. Perhaps having the skills on paper isn't all it takes sometimes?
darla wrote on Nov 14, 2008 4:18 PM:
To Curious (Overpaid Staff/Amen/Finance):
Since when does a college degree equal properly trained? Most IT people have been "properly trained" via certifications, by DOING the jobs and by working their way up. It seems you're ignorant on this topic and disgruntled that someone earns more than you do.
Ultimately, I'm not sure what your point is... Is it that you believe the current IT person is not doing a good job? Or is it that you feel they earn too much for not having a degree?
If you're unhappy with your life, as it sounds you are, you should change it.
Since when does a college degree equal properly trained? Most IT people have been "properly trained" via certifications, by DOING the jobs and by working their way up. It seems you're ignorant on this topic and disgruntled that someone earns more than you do.
Ultimately, I'm not sure what your point is... Is it that you believe the current IT person is not doing a good job? Or is it that you feel they earn too much for not having a degree?
If you're unhappy with your life, as it sounds you are, you should change it.
TO IT DEFENDER wrote on Nov 14, 2008 3:33 PM:
Its a good thing they didn't have an IT guy running the econ class because we would be looking at an even bigger-sinking ship if that was the case.
A lack of education can be supplmented with years of experience but never replaced or equaled. If what you say is correct, there are a lot of realtors who have better buisness sense than TRUMP. The people at SOCC have a different tune- NO MONEY NO MONEY NO MONEY.
A lack of education can be supplmented with years of experience but never replaced or equaled. If what you say is correct, there are a lot of realtors who have better buisness sense than TRUMP. The people at SOCC have a different tune- NO MONEY NO MONEY NO MONEY.
Been there wrote on Nov 14, 2008 3:28 PM:
As I suggested earlier, a 4 day school week would be a great help. The Board needs a list of ALL staff, their salaries, seniorities and what their ACTUAL degree is in and/or experience. This would be a BIG beginning and eye opener to all, and make sure they make this list open to the public!
Tony Capo wrote on Nov 14, 2008 3:21 PM:
“SCANDALOUS wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:01 PM:
...The budget shortfall is obviously due to the Board’s resistance to the cutbacks that Judith recommended....”
Let’s not ignore what Mr. Gaudette said about this budget shortfall. He stated that it could climb to $5 million before the years end. Is he speaking as someone with an extraordinary business acumen or as someone who helped plant and burry a poison pill years ago?
...The budget shortfall is obviously due to the Board’s resistance to the cutbacks that Judith recommended....”
Let’s not ignore what Mr. Gaudette said about this budget shortfall. He stated that it could climb to $5 million before the years end. Is he speaking as someone with an extraordinary business acumen or as someone who helped plant and burry a poison pill years ago?
to curious wrote on Nov 14, 2008 3:01 PM:
in IT a college degree is not necessarily a prerequisite. I would hire a sysadmin with 10 years experience in the relevant systems and a high school diploma before I would hire a newly minted CS major who will need to start from ground zero, often un-learning a good deal of what college just taught them. In IT, experience can and should far outweigh a degree. Take a look at your typical professional IT job listing (not Geek Squad, I'm talking about high-level technical skill) and they will state that X number of years experience is equal to college. I can't answer your questions re. the SOCC IT dir, but discounting an IT professional with decades of experience because they don't have a certain piece of paper is asinine.
To Tom N. wrote on Nov 14, 2008 2:44 PM:
You represent the exempt staff...but you used that position of power to help boot Judith out because of your friendship with Patty. Now you are safe even though you have no qualifications for your position...a former basketball coach? Are you the one attacking IT director?
Worse than before wrote on Nov 14, 2008 2:43 PM:
This is worse than when Judith was here...by far. It is horrible on campus. People are meaner and more territorial. I got caught up in getting rid of Judith and feel bad. The spending issues happened before she got here: Rec Center, Culinary building, dorms. Gaudette and Kridelbaugh wasted public funds and misled the college and community with inaccurage feasibility projections. Judith was just trying to play catch up and didn't make it because of sabotage by President Scott.
Patty - you are making it worse and have been for some time now.
Patty - you are making it worse and have been for some time now.
Curious wrote on Nov 14, 2008 2:32 PM:
To IT:
This question is to you. So do you feel that the person in this position is fully qualified??? Well NO!! She has no college education and since this is such an important position, which you are claiming. Wouldn’t you think it would be in the colleges benefit to have some that is properly trained/educated in this field?? And why does she have so much pull/control with what goes on within this campus. Why did she get a significant raise (60%) and so did others in her office (maybe not as big). While others on campus had their salaries frozen??? There’s another one that works under her that has no formal education in this field but they seem to make a nice $50k a year now and they used to work with wood products not computers, go figure!! Maybe I have missed something. The way I see it, she’s done a great job kissing someone’s butt!! And maybe we all should take a lesson or two and figure out who’s butt we should be kissing…
This question is to you. So do you feel that the person in this position is fully qualified??? Well NO!! She has no college education and since this is such an important position, which you are claiming. Wouldn’t you think it would be in the colleges benefit to have some that is properly trained/educated in this field?? And why does she have so much pull/control with what goes on within this campus. Why did she get a significant raise (60%) and so did others in her office (maybe not as big). While others on campus had their salaries frozen??? There’s another one that works under her that has no formal education in this field but they seem to make a nice $50k a year now and they used to work with wood products not computers, go figure!! Maybe I have missed something. The way I see it, she’s done a great job kissing someone’s butt!! And maybe we all should take a lesson or two and figure out who’s butt we should be kissing…
Not AD wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:27 PM:
You can't cut the AD position, Speasl is a good friend of President Scott and Board Members Abel and Jensen.
to to question for the board wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:02 PM:
this blog is a great example of the lack of a qualified pr/extern department. Too much time pressing the flesh at every free drinking event in the county (trying to make contacts) and no time doing something important!
Scandalous wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:01 PM:
The conspiracy by Patty Scott and certain Board members to fire Judith Hansen is scandalous to say the least. The biggest conflict of interest is in the fact that they made Patty Scott Interim President. The second biggest conflict of interest is in the fact that Board member Harry Abel and his company provides the college with its insurance coverage. The third biggest conflict of interest is the lack of qualified Board members as current Board members are lacking in education and morality. I would urge citizens of Coos County to vote against the current Board members when election time comes around.
The budget shortfall is obviously due to the Board’s resistance to the cutbacks that Judith recommended. The saddest thing of all was that a woman’s career and reputation that she has worked for her whole life was flushed down the crapper. To those of you boasting about having gotten rid of her…well, you just make me sick!
The budget shortfall is obviously due to the Board’s resistance to the cutbacks that Judith recommended. The saddest thing of all was that a woman’s career and reputation that she has worked for her whole life was flushed down the crapper. To those of you boasting about having gotten rid of her…well, you just make me sick!
Layers wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:57 PM:
There are too many layers in most areas! Look at how many meetings it takes to get anything done. If you behaved like that in the private sector you would be canned! why is the college so different? Its seems like they reward words not deeds!
AD not IT wrote on Nov 14, 2008 11:55 AM:
The AD position is making too much money for the contribution to the college and the community. Director of IT is an essential function. Athletics would run fine with the REC center coordinator doing the duties of IT under the supervision of VP. Too many layers in the athletic department...
To Question to the Board wrote on Nov 14, 2008 11:53 AM:
There's only one PR person at Southwestern Oregon Community College, and that position doesn't get the high 60s salary range you spoke of. About the idea of paying people who have never taught classes, you get the best people possible for all jobs. Just because you taught IT doesn't necessarily mean you'd be a good IT director. Same goes for Human Resources, PR or anything else. If you're looking from a business perspective, and if you know what you are talking about, you know that.
IT wrote on Nov 14, 2008 11:25 AM:
the IT director, in charge of a large campus across geographically separate sites, buildings, and employees, and thousands of pieces of equipment and the networks and software running it all, is making WAY LESS than a comparable position in the private sector. Compare apples and apples when talking IT and do not compare IT to faculty. They are worlds apart, and you get what you pay for. I'm tired of seeing IT expertise and experience stacked up against other jobs that are not related in any way whatsoever. Without IT there would be no SOCC, same as it is with faculty.
Qualifications wrote on Nov 14, 2008 10:26 AM:
President Scott has a PhD in leadership, remind me not to enroll in her program. But she is close friends to Able and Jensen on the board which is why they were united on running Judith out of town. Linda K - the VP of Admin who replaced Dr. Meyers was the last president's wife so she has to be qualified because she also helped run off the last president who was trying to clean up Linda's husband's mess.
Curious wrote on Nov 14, 2008 10:00 AM:
Speaking of overpaid staff, can anyone tell me why the president's secretary makes nearly 60K? That's more than some directors.
Finance wrote on Nov 14, 2008 9:46 AM:
You have just under 400 K in salaries between 4 ladies! How can the board justify this? At least 3 of the 4 don't have qualifications or experience in there positions. How about a pay reduction at the top to show that those crocodile tears were remotely real?
Amen wrote on Nov 14, 2008 9:33 AM:
Amen to overpaid staff and question to the board. The IT person in question makes way over the normal pay! The director at OCCI isn't far behind in pay these people don't do anything (travel and judging competitions don't count). Let's take a hard look at what revenue comes in from where. OCCI is like a palace but looses money EVERY YEAR! Take a look for yourself. The enterprise loss mentioned in this article is the culinary school. How many others are like this? I can't get needed supplies but OCCI can run wild financialy? Come on Patty, quit taking Linda to lunch there and smell the roses! They Stink!!!
transparency and honesty wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:18 AM:
Patty - you forget, we know you. You are not being transparent. You are not being honest. Why did you chase Sheldon off? Oh yeah, he defended Judith. Why did you oppose budget cuts this spring? Why did you support no tuition increase? Oh yeah, you were setting Judith up. Stop lying to us employees. You are protecting friends and paying IOU's.
OverPaid Staff wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:09 AM:
Why is SWOCC Paying $87,500 for an IT Position? The VP of instructions only makes $95,000. This person makes on average double the other employees on staff! Seems to me that someone is shifting the financial load from other employees to their pocket.
Before layoffs perhaps a general CLEANING of the other employees pockets is in order.
Before layoffs perhaps a general CLEANING of the other employees pockets is in order.
We need to act wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:00 AM:
I would love to see us as a community and close this place! All we hear is whining and from people that supposedly are "educated" Any of you whinners should come swing an axe for a week wih me and see what real work is! It is time this place is finnished!
Question to the board wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:50 AM:
Have you guys looked at this place with the eyes of a business person? What are Patty and Lindas qualifications? For that matter take a hard look at director and up hires for the previous three years! Trim the fat and you will save a fortune! There are directors that make in the high 60K range that have never taught classes! Why do you need these folks? Check your enterprise account programs if they don't make money and haven't made money then are they just a public service? How many PR people do you really need? Come on people, SNAP OUT OF IT AND MAKE SOME REAL CHANGES!!! My questions are easy to validate now act like a business not a house of revenge please.
To the Community wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:51 AM:
This is your college. If you've had enough of this nonsense please run for board of education.
We need intelligence and common sense on our board of education, not the same old rubber stamping cronyism that has went on for years and years.
We need someone with the guts to take out the trash, starting with the director of enrollment and the board's secretary, who have gotten fat on the college's dime over the years!
It's time to step forward and be part of the solution!
We need intelligence and common sense on our board of education, not the same old rubber stamping cronyism that has went on for years and years.
We need someone with the guts to take out the trash, starting with the director of enrollment and the board's secretary, who have gotten fat on the college's dime over the years!
It's time to step forward and be part of the solution!
Chloe wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:36 AM:
To Patty: You are doing EXACTLY what you accused Judith of. At least Judith had class. She would have never gathered the entire staff in order to point blame at you or call you a criminal. For those of us who have watched how you manipulated this entire situation, you appear to be the criminal. Using your example we should hire a lawyer, call the police and blast you in public.
The college will never move forward while you are in charge and while Harry, Marcia, David and Rick are on the board. If you cared about the college your would resign.
The college will never move forward while you are in charge and while Harry, Marcia, David and Rick are on the board. If you cared about the college your would resign.
Patty wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:45 PM:
You have been anything but transparent. You have created a real culture of fear. And you call others criminals - which does nothing to help us move forward or heal. Show some leadership or move on. But you are doing the same thing you accused Judith of.
Curry wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 PM:
So now Curry doesn't get a campus...does anyone realize how much money the college has been keeping back from Curry? It started with Kridelbaugh and Gaudette. Hansen tried. Now Scott doesn't seem to even care. We'll never get our campus and meanwhile, the college will continue to profit from our taxes.
To Mr. E wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:41 PM:
Board members are volunteer positions so you can't reduce their pay. They should be recalled (at least Able and Jensen) for their conspiratorial campaign with Scott, Linda K., and Sleazel.
Make your bed... wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:38 PM:
President Scott...you made your bed, time to sleep in it. You can blame no one. Except it seems you called Judith a criminal in your all staff meeting. You promoted Linda after chasing Sheldon out the door.
No wonder you can't sleep in your own bed...or look at yourself in the mirror.
And now you will probably "lay me off"...
No wonder you can't sleep in your own bed...or look at yourself in the mirror.
And now you will probably "lay me off"...
employee wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:09 PM:
Good grief people. Get your facts straight. Board members aren't paid. 15 positions are terminating!!! It doesn't matter WHO is doing the terminating; its a matter of WHY there's terminations. You can make all the accusations you want. The fact is that over the last three years there was poor management of funds. Not criminal, but negligent nonetheless. Unfortunately, employees will suffer, but those left behind will continue to do a good job to educate students. And that's what it's all about....providing a safe, structured, good education for students.
To Patty wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:13 PM:
When you overspent your budget, you cost someone their job.
When you supported the cries of foul at budget cuts Judith made, you and the board cost someone their job(s)by reversing these difficult decisions.
Judith had reason behind her decisions that focused on reversing the damage of Steve and Mike and by giving the community their college back. You obviously have retaliation on you mind with a focus on returing everything back to the status quo.
You will never succeed because we will always remember.
When you supported the cries of foul at budget cuts Judith made, you and the board cost someone their job(s)by reversing these difficult decisions.
Judith had reason behind her decisions that focused on reversing the damage of Steve and Mike and by giving the community their college back. You obviously have retaliation on you mind with a focus on returing everything back to the status quo.
You will never succeed because we will always remember.
Question wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:49 PM:
To All Staff Meeting or anyone else who was there:
During this meeting Patty was asked how many managers/administrators, classified and faculty were being cut. She did not answer this question. I want to know which employee is taking the larges hit of positions.
Betcha the little people take the biggest hit . . . again!
During this meeting Patty was asked how many managers/administrators, classified and faculty were being cut. She did not answer this question. I want to know which employee is taking the larges hit of positions.
Betcha the little people take the biggest hit . . . again!
Civics 101 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:48 PM:
Mr. E, Board Members are not paid. They are elected, volunteer positions--just like city council positions (usually for 4 year terms).
Pointing Fingers wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:20 PM:
You admitted to pointing fingers...your friend being let go is part of what happens when you do that. You can't have a President...Patty, who points fingers (in the employee meeting she called Judith a criminal and said it was all her fault) and expect others not to follow her example. Patty and Judith are the same person, they just happened to disagree.
Steve Pickering wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:18 PM:
Mr.E,
In regards to your comment ... instead of reducing the salaries of board members ...
I don't believe Board members are paid. Although elected they are volunteers.
In regards to your comment ... instead of reducing the salaries of board members ...
I don't believe Board members are paid. Although elected they are volunteers.
Mr E wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:15 PM:
Let's hope they keep the good professors around... there are some brilliant minds at SWOCC. Sadly, I have a feeling that the school will cater to the lowest common denominator... instead of reducing the salaries of board members (or cutting a couple positions on the board), they'll probably get rid of the professors that allow students to get a four-year (or higher) degree, but who can't afford four years at a university. We'll probably be more focused on having more students take a Math 70 course than a Calculus course, or students taking Elementary School Sciences instead of Advanced Physics or Chemistry.
Tony Capo wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:18 PM:
"MY FRIEND wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM:
Well - to all who are pointing fingers at Patty - please stop."
I imagine that might happen someday once Dr. Scott and Harry Abel stop it themselves. A bit of transference if you ask me.
Well - to all who are pointing fingers at Patty - please stop."
I imagine that might happen someday once Dr. Scott and Harry Abel stop it themselves. A bit of transference if you ask me.
MY FRIEND wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM:
Well - to all who are pointing fingers at Patty - please stop. This has gone on so long - those who work - or worked at SOCC know what is going on - those pointed are just keeping it going. My dear friend lost her job here today - and it really saddens me to see all of this finger pointing and hate. I admit i have pointed my finger - but it does no good. Lets remember what SWOCC can be - and pull back together - PLEASE.
Patty President wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:12 PM:
Or should it be Petty President? You know this is what you have been waiting for. You got rid of Hansen, you get the promotion, now you get to fire (ok - "let go") the peolpe who didn't help you oust Judith. How many IOU's still need to be paid? Linda got Sheldon's position after you saw him out the door.
Wow!
Wow!
justmusin wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:01 AM:
To Snuffy:
Thanks for your words of encouragement. You are right: it will take years to recover. Like you, I hope we can all make it though somehow. The students are what we are about.
Thanks again - it was nice to read a positive comment.
Thanks for your words of encouragement. You are right: it will take years to recover. Like you, I hope we can all make it though somehow. The students are what we are about.
Thanks again - it was nice to read a positive comment.
Abel Trust wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 AM:
Harry Abel said it was about trust with the Hanson. Since it is public record, how much money has Abel's insurance received from the college while he has been a board member?
Samuel wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:18 AM:
After hearing about the staff and how it has affected them, I can only imagine how this has affected the Student Body. I can bet that most students are getting ready to go up to Eugene and even further for higher education. I am a former student and graduate of SWOCC. I saw this mess coming in 1995 when I was there getting my Certificate for Manufacturing Tech. I came back again in 1996 and took more classes and saw more of this trouble and when I retured for a third visit and got my AAS in Human Services in 2003, I realized that it is only a matter of time. The atmosphere among the students was the sign and the VA which sent me to get my degree was on the fence about sending future vets for their education because of this trouble. I sure hope things can be turned around. Coos County has a great big black eye right now and the culprit who gave it to them is the economy.
Where is the Report wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:09 AM:
What I want to know is ... What happened to the report that was paid for? Why isn't it being made public? What is being buried now?
Marcia Marcia Marcia wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:32 AM:
Put your hanky away Marcia! We don't need your fake emotions. If you were sorry you would resign from the board.
darla wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 AM:
The board has to bear the ultimate responsibility and blame for this situation. Their position and purpose is to prevent things like this from happening. You guys and gals failed.
Hugh wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:46 PM:
I said months ago that you needed to recall certain board members. Doesn't look like much has changed round these parts.
All Staff Meeting wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:40 PM:
Today Patty wasted money on another all staff meeting where she informed us of the upcoming layoffs after this article been in the paper. She blamed these layoffs on Judith and confessed she went to an attorney and to the police to see if we can prosicute Judith ecause what she did was criminal. Unfortunately, due to a LACK OF TRANSPARITY Patty could not tell us why she thinks Judith is a criminal.
SNUFFY wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:29 PM:
For JUSTMUSIN:
Wait and see. There are lots of employees that are embarrassed/disgusted/burned out/disillusioned , etc. to be working at SWOCC. Those that can find jobs locally, will be gone real quick. Those that can leave the area (faculty and administrators) will be out of here after the spring term is over. It will take years to recover from what Hanson did to this school. I bet there will be plenty of work for part-timers just like you. That leaves it to the rest of us to hang on like we're doing now. It is going to get a lot worse before this is over.
Wait and see. There are lots of employees that are embarrassed/disgusted/burned out/disillusioned , etc. to be working at SWOCC. Those that can find jobs locally, will be gone real quick. Those that can leave the area (faculty and administrators) will be out of here after the spring term is over. It will take years to recover from what Hanson did to this school. I bet there will be plenty of work for part-timers just like you. That leaves it to the rest of us to hang on like we're doing now. It is going to get a lot worse before this is over.
Dear President Scott wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:04 PM:
Just doesn't feel right to start that way, but maybe you are okay with the way your regime has assumed control. Please don't be guilty of the same things you accused Judith of...there is real fear on campus that you will "let go" the people who didn't agree with you and the way you led the revolt against the past president. I honestly hope you can avoid that temptation.
To All SOCC Employees wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:02 PM:
What happened this spring when cuts were made to the budget??? Hanson wanted to make cuts. Employees revolted! Read the board minutes. The board ordered the college to make the budget whole again...for what reason?!?
Dont forget... wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:57 PM:
The construction projects of past adminsitration were based on faulty revenue projections that led to this point. The REC center was not a wise fiscal decision, the culinary school still isn't anywhere near projections, and the dorms are full for the first time after it was said they would be full years ago. Kridelbaugh and Gaudette were fiscally reckless prior to Hansen.
justmusin wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:19 PM:
I would imagine the layoffs will come in the form of part-time or adjunct faculty - people such as myself. Full time faculty will be spared. It's a pity really. I, like others in my boat, really depend on that small income. How typical of all educational instiututions. When money is tight, academics get hurt - not activities, not athletics,not administration...........
Another set of eyes wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:33 AM:
Obviously SOCC board, you don't need yet another set of eyes to remedy the problems. What happened to all the various committees, board, etc who should've been dealing with this? How can you all live with yourselves, knowing you fell asleep on the job.
Mark Smith wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:21 AM:
I think a big part of this is with all we hear about in the economy some businesses are taking advantage of this to "downsize" and not feel as bad about it. They can just blame it on the economy.
To Privitization wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:48 AM:
Obviously you haven't done your homework when it comes to outsourced companies. When a company or parts of the company are outsourced, customers don't receive the same service as they get from employees hat are hired from within the company. For example, if one were to have a last minute request to have something done, the oursource company will not drop everything to get to the needs of that customer right away. However, employees hired from within the company will accomodate the needs right now! Outsource companies turn away customers and do not work to accomodate the needs of the customer who has not planned ahead. I have worked for outsource companies and have worked for the company on the inside, and the outsource company is not customer based; it is about the money only. Don't always assume what is the best recourse for the company unless you have done extensive research on a non-customer based outsource company.
Sadened Staff Member wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:08 AM:
To Bemused: Those management folk who Judith did not fire (she got rid of all the checks and balances)...they're the one's who stepped up long ago along side their fellow instructors and staff to stop the madness. They are the one's who have to clean up all the destruction allowed to take place. They now have to do the most difficult tasks of repairing the damage done by Judith Hansen's reign of terror. Board members who supported Judith unconditionally, who put forth motions to obsolve her of any wrong doing without question, who believed her over the resounding voices of college employees...they are the one's that need to finally take responsibility and step down. Do the right thing and leave so the college and begin it's long journey in healing. This is a great college with the best staff!! To quote a now famous person...remember "Yes we can". Thank you to Patty and her management team. They are the heros in all of this.
The Budget wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:49 AM:
Didn't anyone see this coming? Where are the groups that dot he budgeting?
Upset wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:48 AM:
It is unfortunate for all the upheaval at the college. I think the ones that suffer the most are the students.
Economic Disaster wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:46 AM:
Judith is gone now where will the blame fall? When we hire someone to do the job why not let them. If the college is short on funds my guess is it will get worse as the economy here and elsewhere deteriorates.
Unemployment wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:44 AM:
Unfortunately, unemployment is on the increase in the country and in the county. We need to encourage enterprise here so there will be jobs for the people who graduate from SWOCC.
College Bound wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:41 AM:
It is important to ensure that the classes that students can take will help them achieve their goal which is ultimately employment. Hopefully care will be made now and in the future to cut jobs and classes that won't effect that.
Yes for Privatization wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:39 AM:
I agree with privatize it may save money which in the long term would be better for students and the college.
Been there wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:16 AM:
I suggest SWOCC contact Big Bend community College in Moses Lake, WA. They had the same problem over 30 years ago and went to a 4 day school week and it is still in effect, a win win for all.
Board wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:14 AM:
And the board has flat out refused to sell that property in order to save jobs. Can anyone say RECALL?
student wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:15 PM:
Maybe the college shouldn't have spent $495,000 on more property. Once again people and their jobs take a back seat to things. Wake up SWOCC board
Turned off community member wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:42 PM:
The board can say that they had a relationship based on trust but where were their heads when all three employee groups tried to warn them and let them know what was happening. The board has no right falling back on it was a relationship of "trust". Admit your enormous fault of not paying attention to all the warning signs and stand up for your failure. Don't keep passing the buck on this one. You have put our community college in jeopardy.
bemused retiree wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:32 PM:
Who was in charge of the College's finances? Was there no Financial Director? When I worked at the College there were many checks and balances. What kind of Leaders are in place to allow this sort of problem? I agree with past comments. Why wasn't the Board on the watch as well as the Budget Committee. Surely this was not accomplished in a day. I would like to see some of the Management folks who were responsible for this debackle RIFFED. I think the higher paid, management folks need to go! I and other folks will be watching.
Privatize wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:04 PM:
Jobbing out some of the periphery functions such as grounds maintenance, security, custodians, and printing could save the college money. So could making sure that full-time faculty teach full classes before hiring additional part time instructors.
Custodian B.D. wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:08 PM:
It's time to recall the board. and also is the board going to give a percentage of their personal annual income back to the college. It's only fair that they share the same fate as the employees and students, Cause in the end they were the only people that could have stop this. Oh! before i forget Mr. Gould should also give some of his annual salary back to the school. He was the one thyat protected her the most. I feel 10% is about right, wow that could save a job or two
Custodian B.D. wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:58 PM:
I applaud Patty and her staff for the hard decision they had to make. As for the buget commitee they in fact did go to the board and it fell on deaf ears. Good people have already lost their jobs for going to the board. It's a sad time but we will all survive and move forward. I will still volunteer my services to the college to help the employees that are left behind.Yes that's right i will probably be the first to get laid off. I'm fine with it just as i was fine to be the first to stand up and address the board on the problem they created. Patty is the best person suited to bring the school back on its feet. At this time right now we need to put are differences aside work hard and think about the students.
Rubydome wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:28 PM:
"Employee" is correct and right on the money. Not one of those Board members should be coming back. SWOCC et.al will suffer cutbacks and shortages. This will in turn affect enrollment and, in the short term, attractiveness of the College and CB/NB.
However this can be turned into a positive with the right leadership driving the bus. Use this as an opportunity to change and positively market yourselves. Think World Class. Go big. I think SWOCC has a lot to offer and ya'll need to shout it! It has some of the best things going for it-Student Housing is HUGE for a JC. The new Culinary School, Great Athletic Director and damn good Coaches and Teachers. Stand behind these people and give them a helping hand. The stronger your SWOCC is in your community the stronger your community will be. C'mon Coos - logger up!
However this can be turned into a positive with the right leadership driving the bus. Use this as an opportunity to change and positively market yourselves. Think World Class. Go big. I think SWOCC has a lot to offer and ya'll need to shout it! It has some of the best things going for it-Student Housing is HUGE for a JC. The new Culinary School, Great Athletic Director and damn good Coaches and Teachers. Stand behind these people and give them a helping hand. The stronger your SWOCC is in your community the stronger your community will be. C'mon Coos - logger up!
Resident wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:04 PM:
Why did the college purchase the property on Newmark across from College Park Church?
Employee Too wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:46 PM:
I'm willing to bet that the employees laid off have nothing to do with any relationship with Patty. It's based on a worse case scenario and who's needed the least and who will save the college the most money. The college has to do what they have to do. Blame Judith and the Board, NOT PATTY.
Sickened wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:58 PM:
I wonder how Judith manages to look at herself in the mirror everyday. I think the college's board as a whole has failed at their duties entrusted to them by our community. I think they have not offered any kind of sufficient apology to any of us for the dereliction in their duties. If not recalled, I will not be voting for any of them when their term is up.
employee wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:40 PM:
I'm an employee and I'm on no one's bandwagon. Wasn't on Judith's and I'm not on Patty's. Unfortunately, all you have to do is look at the mess we're in and know that it's a very real problem and NOT a convenient excuse. Get real. Unless proven otherwise, there's been no embezzlement, just plain ol' mismanagement - not criminal, but negligent all the same. And who suffers? The staff. I lay blame on Judith, the Board and the budget committee and not once has any of them admitted responsibility. Shame on every one of you. This WAS preventable and you let it happen.
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