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To Gerry 1029 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 4:37 PM:
Right VS Left. The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Even as he walks along the road the fool lacks sense and shows how stupid he is. Ecclesiastes 10:2,3 NIV. Carolyn knows very well what she is talking about.
Algore Philosphy: "If the facts don't fit the theory change the facts." Albert Einstein
Algore Philosphy: "If the facts don't fit the theory change the facts." Albert Einstein
To Gerry 1029 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:04 PM:
I think you need an attitude adjustment, your about 180 degrees off. Such foolishness, get a life.
Obama leans too far left wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:21 AM:
To Humanistic: What about partial birth abortion?
What about Coal plants?
You think that electricity does not use coal power?
Get a grip, there is no way that Obamonomics can work!
Hugo Chavez is a prime example of his supporters!
What about Coal plants?
You think that electricity does not use coal power?
Get a grip, there is no way that Obamonomics can work!
Hugo Chavez is a prime example of his supporters!
Humanistic wrote on Nov 2, 2008 11:42 AM:
We have over the past 8 years, and before, created the present dilema in this country and that effects the rest of the world. We are panicked and looking for blame and solutions. Politics, Corporate, and Organized Crime have been in control and milked the Middle Class in this country, and now it is collapsing, and no oneseems to have a real fix. Whether we like it or not, we will have a change, and hopefully, one that breeds humanistic values. I believe Obama leans in this direction. Of the people, For the people, and By the people. Not for just a few of the Ruling Class. Have we forgotten?
GERRY think of the next generation wrote on Oct 30, 2008 6:26 AM:
Democrats want to seize the money that workers currently invest in their 401k plans and replace the popular retirement savings accounts with a one-size-fits-all government sponsored retirement account. Under the scheme, Americans would be forced to transfer all of their hard earned retirement savings from their 401(k) to the government.
The government would contribute $600 a year to fund each account and would pay a rate of return of around three percent in interest. The government would also mandate that each worker contribute 5% of their yearly salary to the accounts. Under current law, workers with 401(k) plans contribute to their retirement accounts and earn interest tax free. The Democrats' plan would end those tax breaks, amounting to as much as a 15% tax hike on each American worker.
The government would contribute $600 a year to fund each account and would pay a rate of return of around three percent in interest. The government would also mandate that each worker contribute 5% of their yearly salary to the accounts. Under current law, workers with 401(k) plans contribute to their retirement accounts and earn interest tax free. The Democrats' plan would end those tax breaks, amounting to as much as a 15% tax hike on each American worker.
Gerry wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:43 PM:
ATTENTION... GET A JOB...I had one thank you.. Worked at it for about 35 years and NOW enjoy a little time setting in front of my computer giving people like you fits. It just drives a REPUBLICAN crazy when some one works hard all their life and finally gets a free minute. They want to call it "entitlements" or "socialism" or living on the "welfare roll". I guess thats why I'm a democrat. I believe when a person earns a reward they should have it, instead of the trickle up effect the republicans believe in.
theo wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:26 AM:
Wish I had an income like Joe the plummer.
Here I am the "working wounded".
Here I am the "working wounded".
resident wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:46 PM:
i think that ALL of you that posted on this blog...let me repeat..ALL of you are uniformed citizens from a dot on the map who have no understanding of national politics, let alone your own local politics...please, don't speak about the national level of politics when your own political base at your level is struggling
conservative republican wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:43 AM:
let me just say that i vote the way i do as a result of my morals. i believe in God and in Him guiding this country, i do not believe in abortion, i do not believe in the way obama wants to change this country, i believe he is a liar, i believe he is a muslim, i believe he is racist against white people, i believe he is going to take down this country so our enemies can take it over. I honestly do not care if you are voting for obama or not, whether you are democrat or republican. this is a few of the reasons of why i believe what i believe.
to tanner wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:45 PM:
Tanner -
a) Your willingness to stand by your assertion that Non-Obama supporters tend to come from the private sector doesn't mean much. Most people, undoubtably including Obama supporters, do. Big deal. What was being challenged is your implication that Obama supporters worked mainly in the public sector. How would you prove the unproveable?
b) No one is saying there is anything wrong with working in the private sector. Again, most people do. Stop thinking of yourself as a victim. It's unseemly.
c) Believing that a tax structure where 98% of taxpayers pay less taxes than they currently pay while the top 2% return to paying the same rates as in the 1990's (you know, when 20 million jobs were created and the national debt was starting to be paid down) is socialism does, in fact, display a simpleton knowledge of socialism, economics, and American history.
a) Your willingness to stand by your assertion that Non-Obama supporters tend to come from the private sector doesn't mean much. Most people, undoubtably including Obama supporters, do. Big deal. What was being challenged is your implication that Obama supporters worked mainly in the public sector. How would you prove the unproveable?
b) No one is saying there is anything wrong with working in the private sector. Again, most people do. Stop thinking of yourself as a victim. It's unseemly.
c) Believing that a tax structure where 98% of taxpayers pay less taxes than they currently pay while the top 2% return to paying the same rates as in the 1990's (you know, when 20 million jobs were created and the national debt was starting to be paid down) is socialism does, in fact, display a simpleton knowledge of socialism, economics, and American history.
Sheila D. wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:38 PM:
We've already several years of corporate socialism, but the minute someone starts talking about helping the middle class and ENDING the CORPORATE socialism, Repub's start squealing like stuck pigs with grunts of "socialism!", "marxism!" and "commie!".
Unbelievable, how transparent it all is.
Trickle down wealth? Try trickle down stupidity. We've already spread the wealth - to the rich. I'm sick of it, and so are many others. You can demonize those of us wanting change all you want; it only makes your party look even more out of touch than it already does though ;)
Unbelievable, how transparent it all is.
Trickle down wealth? Try trickle down stupidity. We've already spread the wealth - to the rich. I'm sick of it, and so are many others. You can demonize those of us wanting change all you want; it only makes your party look even more out of touch than it already does though ;)
Native American mom of 2 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 1:06 PM:
This is the reason why I didn't vote for Obama. He still has alot to hide and he's not being truthful with the Americans. He'll say anything just to get elected! : P
Gerry wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:04 PM:
TO TANNER... OH Tanner, Tanner, Tanner, at 28 years old, you are just a youngster and although I'm sure your folks are quite proud of you for your hard work, you still lack the experiance of age. But it'll come to you as you get to the majic age of 50 or so and have been through life experiances, like loosing your child to a war, or having your husband come home to a life of pain and anger because he was sprayed with agent orange and could get NO help from the government he defended, or loosing your home because you can't pay a mortgage after you lost your job and no matter how many degrees you have, can't find another. As for Senator Obama and John McCain (who has NOT supported our vets), Yes there are those of us a few years older, who want a change in our government.
Signed..... Gerry
Signed..... Gerry
Tanner Hamlett wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:05 AM:
Two things:
1) Until proven otherwise, I stand by my earlier assertion that Non-Obama supporters tend to come from the private sector.
2) It would be nice--and easier to understand--if people signed their own name on these posts. At the very least, please refrain from the using the names of others. It would strengthen the discussion's integrity , and validate The World's decision to provide us with this exceptionally democratic tool.
1) Until proven otherwise, I stand by my earlier assertion that Non-Obama supporters tend to come from the private sector.
2) It would be nice--and easier to understand--if people signed their own name on these posts. At the very least, please refrain from the using the names of others. It would strengthen the discussion's integrity , and validate The World's decision to provide us with this exceptionally democratic tool.
Tanner Hamlett wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:59 AM:
Concering the person who signed as me-- though I'm assuming they meant to address it to me.
I would love to take my 'simpleton' knowledge of socialism, economics, American history, etc. against a coward who lacks the basic intestinal fortitude to sign his or her name.
As for my economic status: I paid $2,260.80 federal tax in September. So, at 28 years of age, does that classify me as bought?
Should I be apologetic for working in the private sector? Should the owner of my company be penalized for taking the risk to start a company, which now provides me with great opportunity?
Obama represents socialism, for better or worse. I, for one, believe that to be worse.
I would love to take my 'simpleton' knowledge of socialism, economics, American history, etc. against a coward who lacks the basic intestinal fortitude to sign his or her name.
As for my economic status: I paid $2,260.80 federal tax in September. So, at 28 years of age, does that classify me as bought?
Should I be apologetic for working in the private sector? Should the owner of my company be penalized for taking the risk to start a company, which now provides me with great opportunity?
Obama represents socialism, for better or worse. I, for one, believe that to be worse.
Tanne Hamlett wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:29 AM:
Gerry,
Your statement says it all:
"you (referring to myself)a strong Republican who believes John McBush has all the answers.."
Read all of my previous posts. You have no idea who I support.
Strange, an Obama supporter making assumptive accusations. How original.
I do agree on one thing though. We all have the right to choose for ourselves.
God bless this country.
Your statement says it all:
"you (referring to myself)a strong Republican who believes John McBush has all the answers.."
Read all of my previous posts. You have no idea who I support.
Strange, an Obama supporter making assumptive accusations. How original.
I do agree on one thing though. We all have the right to choose for ourselves.
God bless this country.
Ayers connection with Hugo Chavez wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:12 PM:
Bill Ayers isn’t an “ex-radical” and the Associated Press is lying.
I found this information in 15 minutes. There is no way on Earth a professional journalist couldn’t have done the same.
For instance, at a November 2006 education forum in Caracas, Venezuela, with President Hugo Chávez at his side, Ayers proclaimed his support for the regime.
“Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted:
“Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”
Openly praising a Marxist dictator and trying to bring his educational system to our country isn’t radical?
Teaching science as politics isn’t radical?
I found this information in 15 minutes. There is no way on Earth a professional journalist couldn’t have done the same.
For instance, at a November 2006 education forum in Caracas, Venezuela, with President Hugo Chávez at his side, Ayers proclaimed his support for the regime.
“Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted:
“Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”
Openly praising a Marxist dictator and trying to bring his educational system to our country isn’t radical?
Teaching science as politics isn’t radical?
By the way wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:20 PM:
The most "socialist" (using that word a bit tongue-in-cheek, for those who don't understand what the word actually means) states in the union, by and large, are red states. THE most "socialist" state is Alaska, by far.
Who, again, are the "socialists" in this nation?
Who, again, are the "socialists" in this nation?
Jim wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:16 PM:
Also, if you really think Obama's taxing the "rich" is going to help the middle class, the working people, you are sorely mistaken. When the taxes of people that have companies go up, who do you think will bear that burden?
That's right...YOU will...higher costs passed on to the consumer.
Smoke and mirrors...smoke and mirrors...
That's right...YOU will...higher costs passed on to the consumer.
Smoke and mirrors...smoke and mirrors...
Tanner wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:16 PM:
You obviously know precious little about "socialism," economics, American tax rates, or American history.
By the way, your vote WAS bought (if you are actually in one of the higher income tax brackets). If not, you're just a simpleton who buys anything that's fed to him.
By the way, your vote WAS bought (if you are actually in one of the higher income tax brackets). If not, you're just a simpleton who buys anything that's fed to him.
Jim wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:15 PM:
Yes..it really is this simple...."spread the wealth around" as Obama puts it, is SOCIALISM. You work hard, someone else gets your earnings.
yeah....great concept.
yeah....great concept.
History lesson 2 wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:25 PM:
The Nazi influence has been catered to by the "elite". Reagan even had a mentor that was one of them (I can't remember his name). The goal has always been to collapse the American economy and destroy the middle class. The reason is the middle class was created by FDR's New Deal politics. This put heavy taxes on the rich and created what was a broad prosperity that was more uniform and equal. The rich were still the rich but the difference between their wealth and a well-to-do upper middle classite was not nearly as great as it had been in the Gilded Age.
The wealthy wanted their dominance and their exclusivity back. They wanted poverty and starvation back. They wanted the common people to be so down trodden that they could feel like gods. The Nazis understood this and came up with ways to help make it happen.
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:35 p.m. EDT
Haig, Kissinger, Schultz, Eagleburger Back McCain Bid
Get it yet?
The wealthy wanted their dominance and their exclusivity back. They wanted poverty and starvation back. They wanted the common people to be so down trodden that they could feel like gods. The Nazis understood this and came up with ways to help make it happen.
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:35 p.m. EDT
Haig, Kissinger, Schultz, Eagleburger Back McCain Bid
Get it yet?
History lesson 1 wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:23 PM:
Grace - Mae Brussel was tracking Nazi's who were brought over to work in the Pentagon and the CIA. This was not operation Paperclip.
Paperclip was a cover for the real infiltration. The higher-up officers of the Third Reich that found themselves welcomed by America's secret police were brought over because the wealthiest industrialists and bankers, all the rich who lost much of their power in the New Deal, had been supporting Hitler and even tried to produce a coup in America to take over with a military force and impose a fascist dictatorship based on Hitler's ideas in America.
Mae Brussell found that even Joseph Mengele (the Nazi "Death Angel") was involved in projects in America and also visited the JonesTown site in Guyana on two occasions (Jonestown and the People's Temple was a CIA run mind control experiment using chemicals instead of electrodes in the brain, a program doing that was run out of Vacaville Prison in Northern California).
Paperclip was a cover for the real infiltration. The higher-up officers of the Third Reich that found themselves welcomed by America's secret police were brought over because the wealthiest industrialists and bankers, all the rich who lost much of their power in the New Deal, had been supporting Hitler and even tried to produce a coup in America to take over with a military force and impose a fascist dictatorship based on Hitler's ideas in America.
Mae Brussell found that even Joseph Mengele (the Nazi "Death Angel") was involved in projects in America and also visited the JonesTown site in Guyana on two occasions (Jonestown and the People's Temple was a CIA run mind control experiment using chemicals instead of electrodes in the brain, a program doing that was run out of Vacaville Prison in Northern California).
Hey Tanner Hamlett wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:13 PM:
You discard the 1000 to 1 rate of corruption between the two partys to bug your eyes out at a possibility of impropriety? Look up indicted Rs & Ds.
Corruption is literely 1000 to 1!
That redistribute the wealth bs? What do you all think the government DOES with our tax money? They REDISTRIBUTE IT! That's code for more corporate welfare and reaganomics. Why do you think they don't want to talk to you about it? If we had to have one key issue to base our vote on, it's the economy. Look at where reaganomics (tax the poor) gets us everythime! Lower wages, less jobs and more wealthy golfers! Perhaps a full blown depression. That's not good for you & me.
Corruption is literely 1000 to 1!
That redistribute the wealth bs? What do you all think the government DOES with our tax money? They REDISTRIBUTE IT! That's code for more corporate welfare and reaganomics. Why do you think they don't want to talk to you about it? If we had to have one key issue to base our vote on, it's the economy. Look at where reaganomics (tax the poor) gets us everythime! Lower wages, less jobs and more wealthy golfers! Perhaps a full blown depression. That's not good for you & me.
Great Quote from Mark Morford wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:07 PM:
'And let's just say it outright: Even if you can't tell much difference between Obama's and McCain's tax policies or approaches to Pakistan or whatnot, the difference in intuitive energies, in sheer vibrational attitude, between the calm, deeply intelligent Harvard-trained senator and the curmudgeonly war hawk with a nasty temper are so profound as to keep entire nations awake at night. It's a bit like choosing between a glass of wine and a beer bong full of turpentine and carpet tacks. Sure you can ingest them both, but come on.'
to tanner wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:43 PM:
Regarding Raines, since you like the Washington Post as a source see:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/obamas_fannie_mae_connection.html
Your other response amounts to a strange argument that seems to imply that rich people are the working/middle class and that "Non-Obama supporters tend to work in the private sector" and that Obama supporters don't. The right-wing fantasy apparently continues where real hard-working people (private and public sector) should be grateful to be thrown crumbs like Russians were in Stalin's labor camps.
Your evidence is a reposting of the site info I gave to you. Yes, the wealthier people in this country will pay more. The rightwingers talk about it as Socialism and a redistribution of wealth. The biggest redistribution of wealth was the Bush administration stealing from future generations to fund unneeded and ill-advised tax cuts for people who never needed them. Obama merely eliminates the Bush tax cuts for the top 2 percent.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/obamas_fannie_mae_connection.html
Your other response amounts to a strange argument that seems to imply that rich people are the working/middle class and that "Non-Obama supporters tend to work in the private sector" and that Obama supporters don't. The right-wing fantasy apparently continues where real hard-working people (private and public sector) should be grateful to be thrown crumbs like Russians were in Stalin's labor camps.
Your evidence is a reposting of the site info I gave to you. Yes, the wealthier people in this country will pay more. The rightwingers talk about it as Socialism and a redistribution of wealth. The biggest redistribution of wealth was the Bush administration stealing from future generations to fund unneeded and ill-advised tax cuts for people who never needed them. Obama merely eliminates the Bush tax cuts for the top 2 percent.
Gerry wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:28 PM:
Well TANNER. Seeing as how we are both set in our ways, you a strong Republican who believes John McBush has all the answers and I a "liberal" Democrat who believes Senator Obama has the RIGHT answers, I guess there is nothing to do but VOTE OUR CHOICE. I'm sure you intend to do that and I already have. Since J.M. has yet to figure out how to run his campaign and keep his running mate under control, we know who will be our next president. So.... It was fun.... We'll agree to disagree. Think you can live with that?
Tanner Hamlett wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:33 AM:
Concerning the Tax Plans,
Once again, you shoot yourself in the foot. Despite how CNN may like to twist it, the basic chart speaks volumes.
Are Obama's tax cuts proportionately aimed at the lower/working classes? Yes, of course they are. It's referred to as 'buying votes' and/or 'socialism'.
The word I used was 'benefit'. Do his tax cuts 'benefit' the working/middle classes? HA! Again, nice try.
Who do the working/middle classes work for? Non-Obama supporters tend to work in the private sector. No public-employee pensions, no welfare, none of that. They actually work for people who pay them. Strange concept, I know.
Sorry, but don't try to pass this stuff off as good for the middle/working classes. It penalizes those who have worked hard, and encourages job cutbacks. But, then again, if you don't actually work, who cares? Right?
Taxing the 'rich' sounds great if you want to buy votes.
Unfortunately for liberals like you, my vote can not be bought.
see:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm
Once again, you shoot yourself in the foot. Despite how CNN may like to twist it, the basic chart speaks volumes.
Are Obama's tax cuts proportionately aimed at the lower/working classes? Yes, of course they are. It's referred to as 'buying votes' and/or 'socialism'.
The word I used was 'benefit'. Do his tax cuts 'benefit' the working/middle classes? HA! Again, nice try.
Who do the working/middle classes work for? Non-Obama supporters tend to work in the private sector. No public-employee pensions, no welfare, none of that. They actually work for people who pay them. Strange concept, I know.
Sorry, but don't try to pass this stuff off as good for the middle/working classes. It penalizes those who have worked hard, and encourages job cutbacks. But, then again, if you don't actually work, who cares? Right?
Taxing the 'rich' sounds great if you want to buy votes.
Unfortunately for liberals like you, my vote can not be bought.
see:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm
Tanner Hamlett wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:12 AM:
in reply to 'To Tanner',
Sorry buddy, but I HAVE read the articles in the Washington Post.
Including:
"taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."
Or my personal favorite:
"Two members of Mr. Obama's political circle, James A. Johnson and Franklin D. Raines, are former chief executives of Fannie Mae."
Neither of which has the Obama campaign denied.
I love how the liberal argument is based in quasi-reality and accusations of ignorance.
Again, nice try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines
Sorry buddy, but I HAVE read the articles in the Washington Post.
Including:
"taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."
Or my personal favorite:
"Two members of Mr. Obama's political circle, James A. Johnson and Franklin D. Raines, are former chief executives of Fannie Mae."
Neither of which has the Obama campaign denied.
I love how the liberal argument is based in quasi-reality and accusations of ignorance.
Again, nice try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines
Tanner Hamlett wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:57 AM:
Gerry,
1) I did not ask if you knew the difference. Of course you do, you're smarter than everyone else. I asked for you to take the time to explain to us how his tax plan benefits the working or middle classes. I didn't ask for the web address to some Pro-Obama rhetorical website.
2) On that topic, the fact that you suggest I go to 'www.myobama.com' to do 'research' is laughable. That is akin to me recommending you check out 'www.dontvoteobama.com', which you never would, and I would never expect you to. As for YouTube, that's just asanine. The clip I mentioned was a clip from a C-SPAN broadcast of an ACTUAL CONGRESSIONAL HEARING. Ever heard of Congress? What about the Constitution? Or do you classify that as "debunked junk and misinformation" as well?
I'm sorry if it doesn't show up on 'www.obamathemessiah.com', because I am sure that is a fair and unbiased account of the candidates.
Nice try, liberal.
1) I did not ask if you knew the difference. Of course you do, you're smarter than everyone else. I asked for you to take the time to explain to us how his tax plan benefits the working or middle classes. I didn't ask for the web address to some Pro-Obama rhetorical website.
2) On that topic, the fact that you suggest I go to 'www.myobama.com' to do 'research' is laughable. That is akin to me recommending you check out 'www.dontvoteobama.com', which you never would, and I would never expect you to. As for YouTube, that's just asanine. The clip I mentioned was a clip from a C-SPAN broadcast of an ACTUAL CONGRESSIONAL HEARING. Ever heard of Congress? What about the Constitution? Or do you classify that as "debunked junk and misinformation" as well?
I'm sorry if it doesn't show up on 'www.obamathemessiah.com', because I am sure that is a fair and unbiased account of the candidates.
Nice try, liberal.
Thomas Sowell wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:31 AM:
Some people who see the fraud in what Obama is saying are amazed that others do not.
But Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe.
He does that very well.
But Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe.
He does that very well.
JTP wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:46 AM:
To Gerry:
Brevity is the soul of wit and the seat of truth.
You're lacking in both.
Brevity is the soul of wit and the seat of truth.
You're lacking in both.
To GERRY wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:43 AM:
Brevity is the soul of wit and the seat of truth.
You're lacking in both.
You're lacking in both.
No one invite Obama into JTPs driveway wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:14 AM:
"It's not that I want to punish your success. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Barack Obama, to Joe the Plumber, Sunday, October 12, 2008
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." 1875, the slogan of Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist manifesto
Barack Obama, to Joe the Plumber, Sunday, October 12, 2008
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." 1875, the slogan of Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist manifesto
Get a job wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:12 AM:
MY MY MY
Gerry has a posting on every anti-Obama letter. No job? Paid Poster?
Don't matter, we will become a CASH society after Pres. Obingo gets in office.
You think people will report all of their incomes so they can be taxed more?
You think companies are going to keep employees like step children?
By some plywood and start boarding up the towns, the depression is coming!!!
Gerry has a posting on every anti-Obama letter. No job? Paid Poster?
Don't matter, we will become a CASH society after Pres. Obingo gets in office.
You think people will report all of their incomes so they can be taxed more?
You think companies are going to keep employees like step children?
By some plywood and start boarding up the towns, the depression is coming!!!
DONT MATTER wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:56 AM:
VOTE 4 RON PAUL. Neither one can get the job done. They are both worthless and they can't even tell the truth.
Mr E wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:00 PM:
If someone is not voting Obama because of his ties to questionable figures (or a group with a few bag eggs), then I suggest that person not vote for McCain, either. Or the racist Cynthia McKinney. Or Nader/Paul. Or whoever else is running for office.
Gerry wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:46 PM:
OH TANNER.. One more thing. Although I DO KNOW THE DIFFERANCE IN Cap. gains, regular income and Muni Bonds, I don't have enough space here to explain my thoughts to you. Those items were not my point. I wrote about YOUR candidate John McCain and his connections to a group known as PNAC. IF you are interested in learning about them (they are not a financial interest) then you should google (a search engine) PNAC which will lead you to wicpedia and there you will find what I suggested knowledgable voters should know about before they mark their ballot for John McCain. However, it also might enlighten you on some of your money concerns too.
Gerry wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:31 PM:
Yes Tanner, I would challange any ones research, even my own IF I thought it would give me/them more knowledge. As for Senator Obamas Tax Plan, I couldn't possibly explain it as well as Senator Obama does on his web site. www.myobama.com so why don't you just go to his website and read (research) for your self. If that doesn't do it for you then try some of the money mag's websites and see what they have to say. It's always better IF you do your own searching Tanner, that way you remember where you found it and can re read it several times until it sinks in. As for youtube, I find that site full of debunked junk and misinformation so I don't waste my time on it. I find if you go right to the source you get accurate information.
to tanner wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:59 PM:
Despite all of your careful research, you failed to see that Raines is NOT an adviser (much less a ranking economic adviser) to Obama's camp, although Faux News may be making that assertion.
If you can't read Obama's platform on taxes, that might be slowing you down some, also. Read some independant analyses on Obama's vs. McCain's tax proposals and you will see that middle class working families receive about three times the tax breaks under Obama than under McCain.
Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
CNN Money:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm
If you have different charts to show people, I'd be curious to see them.
It's not an independant analysis, but try this, also:
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
If you can't read Obama's platform on taxes, that might be slowing you down some, also. Read some independant analyses on Obama's vs. McCain's tax proposals and you will see that middle class working families receive about three times the tax breaks under Obama than under McCain.
Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
CNN Money:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm
If you have different charts to show people, I'd be curious to see them.
It's not an independant analysis, but try this, also:
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
NB GIRL wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:30 PM:
Dear HA,
That was my point exactly. ACORN isn't running for office either. Both candidates have questionable ties. That is the nature of being a politician, no matter who you are.
That was my point exactly. ACORN isn't running for office either. Both candidates have questionable ties. That is the nature of being a politician, no matter who you are.
Odotter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:35 PM:
None of this will matter after Obama's followers push the voter turnout to a record 117 percent.
His Chicago training has served him well.
His Chicago training has served him well.
ha.... wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:43 AM:
NBGIRL..umm....Todd Palin isnt running for anything...at all...zero. Keep digging.....
Tanner Hamlett wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:32 AM:
Gerry,
Do you really want to challenge people to do their research? Really?
Why don't you go to YouTube and type in '2004 Freddie Mac'. Do that, then explain to me why Franklin Raines is one of Obama's ranking economic advisers? Please, tell me why.
Another idea: Why don't you actually take the time to learn the difference between Capital Gains, Ordinary Income, and Tax-Free Municipal Bonds? Then, after that, take some time to research the demographics of wealth and income in this country.
Then--if you can find the time--could you please explain to me and my fellow uninformed masses how Obama's tax plan would possibly benefit the working or middle classes? Please, tell us.
Do you really want to challenge people to do their research? Really?
Why don't you go to YouTube and type in '2004 Freddie Mac'. Do that, then explain to me why Franklin Raines is one of Obama's ranking economic advisers? Please, tell me why.
Another idea: Why don't you actually take the time to learn the difference between Capital Gains, Ordinary Income, and Tax-Free Municipal Bonds? Then, after that, take some time to research the demographics of wealth and income in this country.
Then--if you can find the time--could you please explain to me and my fellow uninformed masses how Obama's tax plan would possibly benefit the working or middle classes? Please, tell us.
Keating 5 is not an Issue wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:21 AM:
Two years ago in Seattle, ACORN turned in 1800 voter registration forms that election officials thought were suspect.
ACORN not only DID NOT alert the election officials to any problems, they threatened to SUE them if they didn't accept the forms.
Only SIX, out of 1800 were real people.
During the investigation, the ACORN workers admitted they sat around at home, and the Seattle library, making up names.
ACORN not only DID NOT alert the election officials to any problems, they threatened to SUE them if they didn't accept the forms.
Only SIX, out of 1800 were real people.
During the investigation, the ACORN workers admitted they sat around at home, and the Seattle library, making up names.
Citizen wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:36 PM:
It looks like there really are consequences associated with our actions and words. On the surface I'm amused that Obama will likely be elected. I am also very deeply concerned that the country I love is going to enter a season of woes and regrets. Greed, pride, envy, lies, ignorance, and a host of other human tendencies are going to ripen. This bitter fruit will be served to us all. I sincerely worry that we learn to hate what we have allowed our country to become. I hope that this will be the last time we have to learn from our mistakes. Electing Obama will be the last nail in the coffin.
Gerry wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:20 PM:
Aidan... I don't know what rock you've been hiding under.
Since John McCain FIRST BROUGHT JOE THE PLUMBER UP IN THE LAST DEBATE, HE, John McCain is the one that keeps JOE in the spotlight. NOT Barack Obama. John McCain was the first to bring up Joe and now can't seem to get out of the rut. He must think he has a good thing going but he just keeps digging the rut deeper. Soon he will bury himself in that rut.. Just about Nov 4th.... McCains political demise will be celebrated around the world for years to come.
Since John McCain FIRST BROUGHT JOE THE PLUMBER UP IN THE LAST DEBATE, HE, John McCain is the one that keeps JOE in the spotlight. NOT Barack Obama. John McCain was the first to bring up Joe and now can't seem to get out of the rut. He must think he has a good thing going but he just keeps digging the rut deeper. Soon he will bury himself in that rut.. Just about Nov 4th.... McCains political demise will be celebrated around the world for years to come.
mccain should vetted joe the plumber wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:08 PM:
Aidan -
I have nothing against Joe the Plumber (JTP). I don't think he's a bad guy because he's not a licensed professional in his trade, despite ten or more years of working in it. I believe that he works hard despite not thinking that the credentials would be positive for his resume. I admire him raising his son as a single dad. I admired his honesty when he came out and admitted that he would be getting tax breaks under Obama, too, and that he was mistaken when he said his taxes would be raised. No one is smearing JTP, however. The $40,000+/year that he reports on his taxes is a pretty decent wage. That he doesn't pay those taxes so that other people have to pick up his slack doesn't say much about him. But the press asking questions, and ultimately finding answers, especially after the publicity was given to JTP by McCain, doesn't amount to a smear.
I have nothing against Joe the Plumber (JTP). I don't think he's a bad guy because he's not a licensed professional in his trade, despite ten or more years of working in it. I believe that he works hard despite not thinking that the credentials would be positive for his resume. I admire him raising his son as a single dad. I admired his honesty when he came out and admitted that he would be getting tax breaks under Obama, too, and that he was mistaken when he said his taxes would be raised. No one is smearing JTP, however. The $40,000+/year that he reports on his taxes is a pretty decent wage. That he doesn't pay those taxes so that other people have to pick up his slack doesn't say much about him. But the press asking questions, and ultimately finding answers, especially after the publicity was given to JTP by McCain, doesn't amount to a smear.
wrote on Oct 23, 2008 4:33 PM:
It's just like LNG people need to do their home work to make informed choices.
Libby Larry wrote on Oct 23, 2008 4:23 PM:
....and why has the lamestream media not pushed these two candidates to address illegal aliens and immigration?
I've already voted my conscience, I voted for RON PAUL
I've already voted my conscience, I voted for RON PAUL
Aidan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 4:19 PM:
Barack Obama and his fellow liberal goons have been hammering away at the message that conservatives have been "smearing" him.
What about the "smear" campaign being orchestrated by the media against Joe the Plumber?
The fact is that by trying to degrade Joe, they're insulting us all.
One question: Barack aspires to be a public servant.
How dare he insult the people he wants to work for?
He's done it before, in his remarks about guns, religion, and so on.
His fellow thug Harry Reid has a habit of doing the same thing; he likes to call his constituents who disagree with him "racists."
What about the "smear" campaign being orchestrated by the media against Joe the Plumber?
The fact is that by trying to degrade Joe, they're insulting us all.
One question: Barack aspires to be a public servant.
How dare he insult the people he wants to work for?
He's done it before, in his remarks about guns, religion, and so on.
His fellow thug Harry Reid has a habit of doing the same thing; he likes to call his constituents who disagree with him "racists."
Gerry wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:18 PM:
TO THE VOTERS IN THIS UNITED STATES....
PNAC.. I wondered who and what they were..So I googled it. They are a group that was founded on the idea that we, the United States of America would take over the running of the world, by force if necessary. PLEASE, PLEASE SEARCH GOOGLE (PNAC) and read about what Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfawitz, Bolton, and JOHN MC Cain want to do with our money and our country.. This is not a joke. Now I know why John McCain is talking WAR FOR 100 YEARS. It's all in their plan. ROBERT KAGAN who IS THE CO FOUNDER OF "PROJECT for a NEW AMERICAN CENTURY is a foriegn policy advisor to JOHN MC CAIN. He has written foriegn policy speaches for McCain and is one of his most used advisors. JOHN MC CAIN ALSO BELONGS TO A GROUP called BILDERBERGS, which is another secretive group who believes in hiesting our government from control of the people and taking control of the world by force if necessary. I have researched ALL THE candidates and Bush and McCain are in this so thick it is scary.... PLEASE READ IT AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY.....
PNAC.. I wondered who and what they were..So I googled it. They are a group that was founded on the idea that we, the United States of America would take over the running of the world, by force if necessary. PLEASE, PLEASE SEARCH GOOGLE (PNAC) and read about what Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfawitz, Bolton, and JOHN MC Cain want to do with our money and our country.. This is not a joke. Now I know why John McCain is talking WAR FOR 100 YEARS. It's all in their plan. ROBERT KAGAN who IS THE CO FOUNDER OF "PROJECT for a NEW AMERICAN CENTURY is a foriegn policy advisor to JOHN MC CAIN. He has written foriegn policy speaches for McCain and is one of his most used advisors. JOHN MC CAIN ALSO BELONGS TO A GROUP called BILDERBERGS, which is another secretive group who believes in hiesting our government from control of the people and taking control of the world by force if necessary. I have researched ALL THE candidates and Bush and McCain are in this so thick it is scary.... PLEASE READ IT AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY.....
Gerry wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:55 PM:
Carolyn.. Before you get to carried away about Barack Obama do yourself a favor and google... PNAC (Project for a NEW AMERICAN CENTURY) then come back and tell me how willing you are to vote for John McCain and Company. While your at it make sure you read about Robert Kagan co founder of PNAC and his ties to John McCain. Also look at a secretive group called Bilderbergs who wants to take over our government by any method and see where John McCain stands IN THAT GROUP.
dress for success wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:52 AM:
The letter's headline is "Obama ties render him unelectable". Have you seen the picture with those holes in the soles of his shoes? If he can't afford new shoes, how is he supposed to be able to buy decent dress shirts, slacks, or ties?
fnord wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:06 AM:
my my, carolyn... how easy it is to forget the Keating 5. Neither of these candidates has any kind of moral standing over the other, so the party line-dancers ought to just give it a rest.
Both sides wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:33 AM:
Are a 180 from each other. Obama represents an end to Reaganomics, the reason we're slipping into this depression and the end of corporate welfare.
McCain represents a continuence of Reaganomics.
McCain represents a continuence of Reaganomics.
In regard to sticking to the issues wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:14 AM:
First, Gov. Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, she’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.
McCain has spent his life serving our country and will continue to work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. He will listen to any idea that is offered in good faith and intended to help solve our problems, not make them worse.
McCain will seek the counsel of members of Congress from both parties in forming government policy before asking them to support it.
As far as sticking to the issue's why is Palin's wardrobe in the headlines of all the major news today?
McCain has spent his life serving our country and will continue to work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. He will listen to any idea that is offered in good faith and intended to help solve our problems, not make them worse.
McCain will seek the counsel of members of Congress from both parties in forming government policy before asking them to support it.
As far as sticking to the issue's why is Palin's wardrobe in the headlines of all the major news today?
Both sides... wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:18 PM:
are awful. Period.
BOTH candidates voted FOR the treasonous bailout. That alone is a good reason to NOT vote for either of them.
BOTH are backed by a lot of the same rich corporate elitists.
BOTH are members of the Council on Foreign Relations (check into who founded that organization!).
And truly if this really were a fair election then shouldnt ALL SIX presidential candidates get to debate together?
But I guess then it would be hard for SNL to get enough cast members to spoof it.
BOTH candidates voted FOR the treasonous bailout. That alone is a good reason to NOT vote for either of them.
BOTH are backed by a lot of the same rich corporate elitists.
BOTH are members of the Council on Foreign Relations (check into who founded that organization!).
And truly if this really were a fair election then shouldnt ALL SIX presidential candidates get to debate together?
But I guess then it would be hard for SNL to get enough cast members to spoof it.
Go out there and get into their faces and argue with them about what the Repubicans are saying wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:41 AM:
Oblahblah's theme should really be
"Everything has an excuse and there is a excuse for everything"
Just do not ask him about anyone or anything up to the time he started running for the Leader of our country.
"Everything has an excuse and there is a excuse for everything"
Just do not ask him about anyone or anything up to the time he started running for the Leader of our country.
nbgirl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:27 AM:
Todd Palin wanted to separate Alaska from America, so one can argue McCain has questionable ties as well.
But can we bring this back to policies, ideas and real politics that are meaningful to all of us, please?
...Please, Republicans???
But can we bring this back to policies, ideas and real politics that are meaningful to all of us, please?
...Please, Republicans???
Actually wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:26 AM:
I belong to no party whatsoever and I will vote for Obama as I feel he is the lesser of the 2 evils Thank You, Also McCain/Palin are just gonna bring more of the same stuff that's been going on for the last 8 years. Obama will at least maybe do something different.
Tony wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:17 AM:
Acorn? Naw, no worries...
But this guy here?
At least he is in jail till McCain bails him out!
(snip)
"The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.
State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states."
(snip)
And there ya go.
But this guy here?
At least he is in jail till McCain bails him out!
(snip)
"The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.
State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states."
(snip)
And there ya go.
Surferdude wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:15 AM:
This ACORN stuff is so last weeks news people...
This is todays...
(snip)
The documents show that a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the Republican National Committee and the California Republican Party, made the payment to Lincoln Strategy, of which Mr Sproul is the managing partner, for the purposes of “voter registration”.
Mr Sproul has been investigated on numerous occasions for preventing Democrats from voting, destroying registration forms and leading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to leach the Democratic vote.
(snip)
So while Obama's ties to ACORN are tenuous, McCain is DIRECTLY tied to Mr. Sproul.
Next.
This is todays...
(snip)
The documents show that a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the Republican National Committee and the California Republican Party, made the payment to Lincoln Strategy, of which Mr Sproul is the managing partner, for the purposes of “voter registration”.
Mr Sproul has been investigated on numerous occasions for preventing Democrats from voting, destroying registration forms and leading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to leach the Democratic vote.
(snip)
So while Obama's ties to ACORN are tenuous, McCain is DIRECTLY tied to Mr. Sproul.
Next.
FBI is investigating ACORN wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:23 AM:
If the FBI finds sufficient evidence that there has been a coordinated effort of commiting voter registration fraud by ACORN, then all federal funding to this organization needs to be withdrawn permanently. This is a personal affront to citizens who are properly registered to vote legally in the upcoming election
ACORN ignorance wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:30 PM:
The RNC is caging and purging voters and you're falling for the ACORN hoax!
Fact: ACORN workers are being arested.
Fact: Republicans Caught Engaging in Voter Registration Fraud, Dirty Tricks
by James Parks, Oct 21, 2008
http://blog.aflcio.org/2008/10/21/republicans-caught-engaging-in-voter-registration-fraud-dirty-tricks
Fact: A national election can not and never has been swayed by voter fraud!
Only 25 people have ever been convicted of voter fraud.
Didn't mann Coulter admit to voting twice?
Wise up or you lose.
Fact: ACORN workers are being arested.
Fact: Republicans Caught Engaging in Voter Registration Fraud, Dirty Tricks
by James Parks, Oct 21, 2008
http://blog.aflcio.org/2008/10/21/republicans-caught-engaging-in-voter-registration-fraud-dirty-tricks
Fact: A national election can not and never has been swayed by voter fraud!
Only 25 people have ever been convicted of voter fraud.
Didn't mann Coulter admit to voting twice?
Wise up or you lose.
Youre out of your mind wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:19 PM:
Fact: Palin's husband was a member of the AIP (Alaska independent party) An anti american militia and doesn't qualify for security clearance! Look it up!
McCain has had a fund raiser in the home of G. Gordon liddy. A known and convicted terrorist that advocates head shots to ATF agents! Look it up!
Fact: Obama has no tiesto terrorists! Look it up!
Ignorance is no excuse for spreading this tripe. You vote for McCain and you vote for more Reaganomics, a deeper recession and a continuance of fascism. Insane! Why do you think they won't talk about the issues?
McCain has had a fund raiser in the home of G. Gordon liddy. A known and convicted terrorist that advocates head shots to ATF agents! Look it up!
Fact: Obama has no tiesto terrorists! Look it up!
Ignorance is no excuse for spreading this tripe. You vote for McCain and you vote for more Reaganomics, a deeper recession and a continuance of fascism. Insane! Why do you think they won't talk about the issues?
Wow wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:35 PM:
You're kidding right?
Voter Fraud, is when people VOTE illegally (ie. Ann Coulter using fake residence & voting at a precinct she wasn't registered in), not when they REGISTER illegal entries like Daffy Duck, that quickly get thrown out. Please, at least get your terminology right if you're going to throw these accusations out.
And, if you wanna read about serious, repeated voter registration fraud, Google "Sproul & Associates". It's the company that's tricked people into registering Republican, thinking they were signing a petition against child molesters, while throwing out Dem regs. They even did it here in OR in 2004. Why does it matter? Because they are now on McCain's 2008 payroll.
The lawsuit Obama's team of lawyers represented had to do with a motor voter law, not mortgage loans. Again, kindly get your facts straight.
Further, the charitable board Obama served on w/Ayers was headed by a staunch Republican friend of Ronald Reagan.
Shall I continue? :)
Voter Fraud, is when people VOTE illegally (ie. Ann Coulter using fake residence & voting at a precinct she wasn't registered in), not when they REGISTER illegal entries like Daffy Duck, that quickly get thrown out. Please, at least get your terminology right if you're going to throw these accusations out.
And, if you wanna read about serious, repeated voter registration fraud, Google "Sproul & Associates". It's the company that's tricked people into registering Republican, thinking they were signing a petition against child molesters, while throwing out Dem regs. They even did it here in OR in 2004. Why does it matter? Because they are now on McCain's 2008 payroll.
The lawsuit Obama's team of lawyers represented had to do with a motor voter law, not mortgage loans. Again, kindly get your facts straight.
Further, the charitable board Obama served on w/Ayers was headed by a staunch Republican friend of Ronald Reagan.
Shall I continue? :)
Obama Supporter wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:50 PM:
After reading the following article on John McCain in Rolling Stone, I don't know why anyone would vote for him.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
NObama wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:41 PM:
Great letter! I completely agree with you! This country better wake up soon or they're going to have a very bad hangover after they celebrate their "win".
Linda wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:14 PM:
To Will, The comment about voting your party, well I'm a registered Democrat and I voted for Bush, sorry to say. I don't think it can get much worse. We are all losing our jobs, bank accounts, retirements etc. I can't blame that on Obama. And we're still looking for Bin Laden. But we hammered Martha Stewart.
Will wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:11 PM:
I'm a Republican who whould have voted for Hillery simply because I don't care for McCain. However, that being said, Barack Obama scares the living daylights out of me, and all of the things that are said about him, his past, his associates, his politics and agenda are not necessarily untrue. It amazes me that his supporters will gloss over his "baggage" simply for the sake of staying within their party. I love this country, and do not want it to go the way Obama will take it.
Oh Boy wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:14 PM:
Shirley, you need to open your eyes and also read a little more before making the comments you just did.
NB wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:02 PM:
How can we is right. How could anyone who reads,period, vote for him. For some
reason, people are overlooking ALL the
bad things about Obama, WHY ? ? ?
PEOPLE CAN'T BE THIS BLIND, CAN THEY ? ?
reason, people are overlooking ALL the
bad things about Obama, WHY ? ? ?
PEOPLE CAN'T BE THIS BLIND, CAN THEY ? ?
Linda wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:44 PM:
I won't even give you the satisfaction of argument to tell you all the "bad" things McCain has done.
Shirley wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:41 PM:
You need to get the facts on ACORN. You are only repeating what you hear in the news. Why not take the time and do some research (if you know how)on Obama's ties to ACORN. Better yet, research McCain's ties to ACORN. You will be surprised. McCain's ties to other organizations that want to take away rights of certain groups of peoople in this country called "America." Just take a look at the McCain rallies (and his poor choice for a vice president)the things that are shouted. One would think that you are back in the "old" south. Ready for a lynching. Sadly, it appear that McCain and especially Palin enjoy that type of hype. When those things are shouted I see a smile on Palin's face. That say a great deal about their character, or lack thereof. If that is the only way they can win, then that is sad and pathetic. I would not want anyone of that character representing me in Washington, or any place.
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