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Sally from Empire wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:55 AM:
Charleston resident wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:47 AM:
everyman wrote on Oct 3, 2008 4:28 PM:
(I thought I would communicate at your level since you refuse to answer my questions)
Toothless Cajun wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:37 PM:
Dave from NB wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:57 AM:
Your logic makes sense & not sure what everyman is saying or trying to prove by his double talk, half truths, etc etc in here (It's like an adult discussing something with a small child, where the small child just doesn't understand due to their inexperience of debating correctly)? Keep up the good work, since I don't know anyone that supports this project at Jordan Cove!
Who thinks toothless cayun everyman are the same wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:08 AM:
Jane wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:04 AM:
Again, 60 outsiders getting the jobs at Jordan Cove vs the thousands of tourists & Millions of Baby Boomers not wanting to visit or live here is ridiculous weak failed argument!
everyman wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:03 AM:
I will answer your non-answers, howvwer 1 - Then don't buy any and let it fail
2 - There aren't millions of baby boomers just chomping at the bit to move here...but there are likely thousands of tourists...who could probably care less about an LNG facility
3 - Very
4 - The law you refer to was enacted to provide federal oversight to an indusrty with intra-state activities...thus the need for federal legislation...
And finally...Jane, I don't dislike you...I actually am glad you keep posting on here, since I can only occasionally make it to the public meetings...I just wish you would keep your comments civil...
Toothless Cajun wrote on Oct 2, 2008 5:11 PM:
60 jobs is 60 new families. That is 60 new homeowners. That is at least $720,000 a year spent in our town. That is future opportunity for our youth to choose to stay here to work with a career that would not be available otherwise. It is called growth. It will enable a power supply for additional growth. It is what the people here need. If you want someone around to change your Depends, then there better be employment opportunities for the other family members. Drop the me first everyone else second attitude. It is very annoying. One other thing, IT IS COMING AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! he he...
Jane wrote on Oct 2, 2008 3:24 PM:
1) I don't know anyone in Oregon that wants to pay higher monthly gas bills which would happen if LNG is used in Oregon!
2) Comparing 60 outsiders spending their money here vs thousands of tourists & Millions of Baby Boomers not wanting to visit/live is ridiculous!
3) Let's keep to the LNG subject, how manageable is it if a LNG ship having a known 2 mile hazard burn zone explodes within 1/2 mile distance of populated area? How manageable is 36 inch pipe exploding along a 230 mile distance surrounded by forests of 80 foot Pine trees?
4) MANY other places besides California (Remember only 6 have been placed in the USA) have rejected LNG & that's why the Republican party passed the 2005 Federal law over ruling individual state's right to accept or reject placement of LNG storage units!
everyman wrote on Oct 2, 2008 1:31 PM:
1 - Why do you care how much it costs? If you don't like it, don't buy it.
2 - Will the employees pay taxes, shop, eat, live and educate thier kids, locally?
3 - Is it possible to handle dangerous and flammable substances (like gasoline) in such a way that it significantly reduces the liklihood of incident?
And finally 4 - Since when should we, as Oregonians, make any decision based on what Californians have or haven't done?
Please answer these questions, Jane, and please do it without yelling "LNG SCAM", "BOB BRADDOCKS CHEERLEADER", "RICH FOREIGNERS", "BURN ZONE", "CON MEN" or any of your usual stuff...if possible.
Jane wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:11 AM:
I learned long ago, only 2 things that you can't teach someone:
1) Common Sense &
2) Drive to succeed in life
I rolled up my sleeves at the age of 15 & it didn't matter where I lived to succeed, because if there is a will there's a way!
P.S. I think you said it all, agreeing anyone wanting this LNG SCAM on a beautiful coast of Oregon producing 60 jobs that no local will qualify for, with all it's HUGE safety risks, along with discouraging thousands of tourists & MILLIONS of baby boomer retirements has to be an Village Idiot!
Toothless Cajun wrote on Oct 1, 2008 8:07 PM:
Struck a nerve did I? Give me a break about rolling up your sleeves. You never had easier money in your life when you factor in the past eight years. You are telling me because you invested you are entitled to something? Oh contraire my dear. MANY took advantage & stepped upon many a people to achieve such status. You really think 15% capital gains is working hard? There lies the problem with the financially privileged. They believe that they are above all the "Village Idiots". They deserve it. Look around, your entitlement is soon to end because of the brazen arrogance & greed amongst your crowd. No one is immune, even the ones who want to stick their heads in the sand in denial. Why care as long as I got mine, RIGHT?
Jane wrote on Oct 1, 2008 7:05 AM:
IF you re-read my post, I said the following, quote:
"IF Oregon needs industrial then place them away from tourist attractions like the coast, Crater Lake etc. & place them inland somewhere visitors wouldn't want to visit! Keep Oregon beautiful & economic prosperity is just around the corner"
The so-called financially privileged had to roll up their sleeves to earn & invest that money to get where they are! One thing you & MANY here forget, Oregon has 2 MAJOR things going for it Timber & Tourist places (Biggest is the Coast, then Crater Lake, Mt Hood, etc) & you have to be an village idiot to ruin those places PERIOD!
Toothless Cajun wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:11 PM:
PS
5X bigger? You must be counting the illegal aliens that they flooded the place with to do all the building. & now the financially privileged have filled their pockets with cash, leaving the blue collar & white collar crime for YOU to pay for. REALLY, what is your true agenda? JANE
Toothless Cajun wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:04 PM:
Dear Jane,
Arizona? As in Phoenix? Surely all those Boomers & tourists would not be going there for the great restaurants & resorts? You know like Z-Tejas, P.F Changs, Phoenician or even a dump like Desert mountain. Why would they do such a thing? They have the Palo Verde Nuclear plant just outside of town. You know, that REALLY TERRIBLE DANGEROUS utility that makes people in Phoenix glow within 20 minutes of an awful accident & then ruins the land for over a hundred years. That nasty place that has infrastructure that can support places like Intel & Allied Signal & Raytheon & McDonnell Douglas OR THE MAYO CLINIC? But that's OK because they have Bimbos TOO. Even ones with all their teeth! Oh my god, I don't think that could withstand an earthquake of 9.3 either. But not to worry, people care about Phoenix & they will be the first that get help. RESEARCH IT!!! get a clue...
Jane wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:34 AM:
Sorry, but NICE places like Hawaii, Florida, even deserts like Arizona & New Mexico do extremely well with tourists & Baby Boomer retirements! They draw MILLIONS a year that spend their money which supports EVERY business that's there! Pheonix, Arizona for example has grown over 5X bigger in the last 10 yrs & it's just a flat dry hot desert, but tourists fly in & rent a car & drive to see what Arizona has to offer such as the Grand Canyon. Sorry but industrial like this LNG SCAM is NOT the future of Oregon, because it would prevent this place to attract future tourists/Baby Boomers from visiting/living here! This LNG SCAM is a 1/2 step forward & 3 steps backwards for economic prosperity, because Oregon needs to have a win win situation here, keep it beautiful & attract good clean business's like Time share places, Big chain stores, non polluting industrial businesses etc. IF Oregon needs industrial then place them away from tourist attractions like the coast, Crater Lake etc. & place them inland somewhere visitors wouldn't want to visit! Keep Oregon beautiful & economic prosperity is just around the corner!
Toothless Cajun wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:57 AM:
ME2 wrote on Sep 27, 2008 9:39 AM:
Dave from NB wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:34 PM:
He says this project is worth it, because 60 jobs givin to outsiders that would move here to spend their money here, but would discourage the 700,000 presently visiting Oregon & the millions of Baby boomers that are starting to retire now?
He agree Lng is more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon citizens, but he says who cares & let the market decide?
He admits this project is unsafe but manageable? How will a 9.0 + Earthquake, 100 ft Tsunami or Lng ships having a 2 mile hazard zone or will be within 1/2 mile of populated area here be manageable if it blows UP?
I agree he's getting Slaughtered!
everyman wrote on Sep 26, 2008 11:00 AM:
I thought I was doing so well...
I mean, no one ever really addresses my points, answers my questions, or says anything but the same taunts over and over and then calls me names because I simply don't agree with what they call "facts"...
Some of them even post under my name on here with stuff they know I would never say.
But I'm getting slaughtered, huh?...
I agree with Common Sense wrote on Sep 26, 2008 7:12 AM:
No voteNo LNG wrote on Sep 26, 2008 6:43 AM:
These meetings are just charades.
everyman wrote on Sep 25, 2008 4:11 PM:
Millions of Baby boomers...moving to Coos Bay???? Reeeeeaaaaallllyy....(Hmm, current population x 40...so a pop explosion of roughly 4000%)
2x more expensive...ok. More expensive now dosen't mean it always will be...not to mention that the reason they will be building a pipeline is to send it somewhere that it might not be more expensive...Starbucks is more expensive than Folgers, and you see how that has gone...anyways, let the market decide...who died and made you Stalin?
So now the "danger" angle is that we will be burning down our forests, huh? Common, if lightning stikes in the middle of the forest...IT"S GOING TO BURN DOWN ANYWAY, WITH OR WITHOUT A PIPELINE!
If this is nonsense, and nonsense is a crime, then chain me to the wall...
Everyman
Common Sense wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:11 PM:
1) How many Tourist/baby boomers retirements (Thousands to Millions) won't come here if they hear LNG is here?
Answer: All of them, because they want to move away from industrial places & cities. So Oregon gains 60 outsiders moving in vs Millions not wanting to move here!
2) I don't know any Oregon citizen wanting to pay DOUBLE on their next gas bill (IF LNG is used here)!
3) LNG ships have KNOWN 2 mile burn zone & will be traveling with 1/2 mile of populated area here! 230 miles of pipeline that could rupture & cause MASSIVE forest fire by simple spark of lightening strike! How safe is this? Answer: NOT SAFE
everyman wrote on Sep 25, 2008 12:23 PM:
2 - Cost of LNG....who cares? Most Oregonians can't afford to buy a Bently either, but if a plant opened up for one around here, it would be great! Oregon ships lumber all over the world, and that seems to have been pretty good to us in the past.
3 - Safety...LNG oversight is ginormous, and will only get tighter as alternative energy sources become more used. There is risk, but it is manageable...I don't here anyone complaining when a gas truck drives by thier house...talk about flamamble...
I think I'm to the end of my 200 words...EVERYMAN SMASH!
Bob Braddock and his cheerleaders at the dog and pony show wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:02 AM:
truthordare wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:55 PM:
everyman wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:00 PM:
I wish everyone on BOTH sides of the issue would address each other with the respect you have shown in your post...again, thank you..
I also need to apologize for my previous post to flipfloper...You did not attack me and you did not yell...my previous post to you was too harsh, and I really am sorry.
truthordare wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:08 PM:
everyman wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:47 AM:
This Q&A session was with private industry, not the governor...
Honestly, until Jordan Cove is a few more steps down the line, development and approval-wise, asking Gov K anything is like shoveling the sidewalk while its still snowing...
This forum is about the Q&A session...not the railroad, not the governor...
The question to ask is whatever question I want to, dang it....so please get out of my face with all the yelling and personal attacks
flipfloper wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:53 PM:
The question to be asked is Mr. Governor, why do you say that you oppose the LNG terminal and then tell your political appointee port of Coos Bay commissioners to get the site on the North Spit? And, while you are at it, where is that $50 million for the railroad coming from?
SO FAR wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:01 PM:
I have shares of Lehman Bros. that are for sale at a very good price. Interested in buying them.
esya wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:41 PM:
Kaye wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:11 PM:
I have come to this area 15 years ago, and it's beautiful, but people are such whiners and not-in-my-backyardigans.
I am sick and tired of the surprised questions, why in the dickens did we move here, as in the eyes of the locals this place seems to be the pits.
I like it here, and I am proud of this area for many reasons, have some local pride. New industries open new paths into the future, and the pipeline that blew was over 50 years old. Safety standards have improved since then
Hmmm wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:47 PM:
Edward wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:12 PM:
WandaJ wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:09 PM:
Jane wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:43 AM:
1) Structure at Jordan Cove will NOT meet DLCD 2002 Tsunami zone reqrmts (Appealed decision of county & LUBA of ignoring DLCD 2002 engineering reqrmts).
2) UNSafe situation of LNG ships having a known 2 mile hazard burn zone & traveling within a 1/2 mile of populated area here.
3) California & many areas have rejected LNG for being a air polluter.
4) LNG is 2X more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon citizens.
5) How Oregon citizens will be FORCED to sell their land to foreign investors.
6) How explosion in Appomattox County, VA could happen here & how explosion at Jordan Cove structure or LNG ship would be MUCH worse (Miles instead yards).
7) How LNG ship will have negative effect on fishing boats & NEW Airport flights.
8) How no local will qualify for any of the jobs at Jordan Cove.
This LNG SCAM is not worth the little tax money collected from vs HUGH risks involved! I was there & these "CON" men avoided the above REAL issues of this SCAM!




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