College says no to police pay

By Alexander Rich, Staff Writer
Friday, September 19, 2008 | 29 comment(s)

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The city of Coos Bay is considering its options after learning Southwestern Oregon Community College won’t pay for additional police staff to patrol student housing.

City Manager Chuck Freeman and Police Chief Rodger Craddock met this week with Southwestern Vice President Sheldon Meyer and college attorney Roger Gould.

They discussed what crimes would warrant police response and what could be handled by college public safety. But the college refused to offer any financial aid to the city’s police department.

“They are refusing to do anything because they said ‘we don’t have to,’” said Freeman.

Rick Osborn, college director of communications, said Southwestern doesn’t have the hundreds of thousands of dollars the city is requesting and wants to put the primary focus on crime prevention.

“Obviously that’s the crux of the situation we are talking about here,” he said.

The city and college first began discussing public safety issues last year, when the city became concerned about the college reporting crimes on campus. The city stopped allowing the college’s public safety officers to serve as Coos Bay reserve officers. As a result, public safety officers could no longer issue citations on campus.

In May, Freeman gave the college three options. The board of directors could help pay for one, two or four police officers. With one officer, the city would add him to regular patrols. With two officers, one would be added to patrols, while the second would be assigned exclusively to the college. By helping hire four officers, the college would ensure police coverage 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

The cost would be $117,500 for each officer.

Osborn said that wasn’t possible.

“The board isn’t in a position to enter into an intergovernmental agreement to pay the city for police services,” he said.

Southwestern postponed its response several times over the summer, as college President Judith Hansen said she wanted to wait until a new public safety director could be hired. The former director, Bill Winfield, retired last spring.

Freeman is frustrated with the delay.

“It took them this many months to tell us to pound sand,” he said.

Osborn said the college decided to return to discussions with the city after it realized it would not be able to hire a new public safety director for some time.

The city councilors who met previously with several college board members will meet Tuesday to discuss the city’s options, Freeman said.

Arbitration appears to be unlikely. In Oregon, both parties must agree to have a third-party issue a ruling.

“They are flat out refusing to do that,” Freeman said.

Freeman wants the college to pay because officers frequently respond to the campus, yet the college pays nothing in property taxes.

Hansen said the college may not pay property taxes, but the local students and employees who live in Coos Bay do. By college estimates, they contributed more than $1 million to the city last year.

“We think students and employees who work here deserve the same safety and security Coos Bay police provide them at home,” she said.

Under existing terms, the college calls the police for cases of physical abuse, animal abuse, property damage and theft. The college may call police for cases involving weapons, alcohol and/or hazing. They also may be called in if someone is attempting to elude a public safety officer or for harassment. All other matters will be handled internally.

Freeman is concerned that when school starts later this month, there will be more students in campus housing than before, further straining the Police Department.

“We’re probably further behind than before we started,” Freeman said.
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Use your voice wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:38 AM:

I'm glad to see people respond. As a defender of our Country and our freedoms I'm happy to see the dialogs. Our Constitution starts with "We the people" and Chuck needs to realize that his tenure in Airway Heights, WA doesn't make him a Maverick to come here and man handle the people. The Coos Bay police is doing the best they can with what they have and I applaud them for that. When services are under funded and under staffed don't take it out on the servants but the masters. Fire and medical services are also summened on the college campus and there is no firefighters or Paramedics being paid for by the college so why would Chuck expect the same for police? Maybe if the city manager was elected he would be more accountable and less of a Rogue discipinarian and fore armer. When will Councelors and the Mayor grab his reigns?

Another Bright Idea wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:24 PM:

Hey, maybe the City of Coos Bay could start charging Bunker Hill Elementary or Mashfield High School for sending police officers to those schools for any crimes reported too! Maybe AYA should pay, they have crimes reported there too! Maybe every time someone dials 911, they should pay a fee!

I am sick of the police department trying to extort more money for the lousy service they provide when that is the job of the police dept. Hey Chief, maybe you should deal with the budget you have and train the SOCC security to call you instead of writing a report and having it directed to someone else first.

To Super Shocked wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:25 AM:

The college does help pay for student safety and protection: directly and indirectly. College employees pay taxes, many of the students are local students who pay taxes - whether they live in the dorms or not, security officers are on site, prevention and intervention trainings are a part of student orientation, students in the dorms from out of the area sometimes hold local jobs and pay taxes on their earnings...

SUPER SHOCKED wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:18 PM:

Goodness Gracious!!!!!!! Why would you complain about having security and police presence at a community college where students, who are between the ages of 18 and 22, and are statically more likely to break the law. The residents are paying taxes to protect the college and keep students safe. Why shouldn't the college help pay? They cant not have police presence because thats against the LAW!!! The college needs to do their part and help pay for the protection they need. Would you want you child living on campus without an officer on standby incase there was an emergency?

To College Insider wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:27 PM:

SOCC is not OSU or U of O. Have you why didn't you mention other community colleges in Oregon? There are a couple that have student housing - and they don't pay for additional police protection. The issue is the $115,000 price tag PER officer - with one of the requests asking for 4 officers - is ludicrous. The police station isn't asking other apartment complexes in town to pay additional support - and there are out of state students staying there as well.

huh wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:19 PM:

$117,500 for each officer??? WTF!???

moonpenny wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:20 PM:

I am so glad my child is taking online college courses. Theres entirely too much cover up for anything and everything at this college.

Trish wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:34 AM:

College Insider: it's not JH refusing to report crimes, it's JW. You would just like everyone to think it's her.

Linda wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:01 AM:

To Shocked-Gee let me guess where you work. Sorry but, I pay for the College and the Police department already. It's called budgeting, just what I have to do at my house. They want more money, that's the bottom line. Don't you remember about 5 years ago the scare tactic of letting out prisoners, while there building a new prison in Lakewood and did a big build at Shutter Creek. get a clue!

College Insider wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:05 PM:

People, people, people...don't comment unless you know what your talking about. The city of Coos Bay only took away the college's enforcement abilities after the college demonstrated they were unwilling to police themselves and were not allowing employees to report criminal wrong doing on the campus! Somebody has to do and if the college can’t or wont they should pay someone like other schools of higher education do (U of O and OSU).

Allen wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:47 PM:

How much did that new command vehicle (Command of what) (suburban)cost (50,000 ish) and how much does it cost to run per year(big engine lots of gas) with one person in it? Cost effective?I think not. Same saftey and security as Bayshore Chevron
or the letter you get when your house is robbed and you dont already know who did it?

JaMarcus wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:28 PM:

Dear GROWUP:
You are very correct. We have a choice at the ballot box in Coos Bay with three mayor candidates and at least six council candidates. Get to know the candidates. The city elections person has a list of their web sites. $117,000 a year is rediculous. Base pay plus benefits plus some reasonable administrative cost plus reasonable profit off the deal would be less than $90,000.

J5 wrote on Sep 22, 2008 2:44 PM:

Typical strongarm tactics by the City of Coos Bay,... pick a financial target and then whine, whine, whime when you get called on not getting along and playing well with others. Reality Check People!! Not one community college statewide pays for outside law enforcement!!!

I get along well with law enforcement and have no beef there. This is with the politicians and they need to learn how to manage their own funds instead of trying to extort funding from other sources. You flunked Business 101 on this one City of Coos Bay.

grrrrooowwwupppp wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:06 PM:

Start by firing the city leaders.Then get some people with ethics and budget experience in office.Clean your house people.it's a pretty safe bet that the city can do it's job well at or under budget.If you don't it is going to become like the states transportation probs,budget surplus to light rail debt.

Realist wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:08 AM:

Oh come on Shocked, we all know the reason the City canceled their agreement with the SWOCC security officers is because they need more money for officers and they came up with a great way to pay for it. Funny how this wasn't an issue until the City's budget crunch.

wow wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:49 PM:

The uninformed opinions here never cease to amaze me. The City of Coos Bay is asking for extra money for policing the dorms only, and it is the fault of the Ms. Hansen that their public safety officers are no longer deputized. Hansen got tired of reading about the students in the police blotter and took away their ability to call the police. If you want to blame anyone, blame your dear president.

Shocked wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:34 PM:

Alot of you are so quick to go after the Police Department as if they have done some thing wrong with asking for the College to help pay for additional officers. You will probably be the same group of people who complain when you call 911 and the Police are delayed in answering your call because they are at the College breaking up some under age drinking party where drugs are involved or a rape or a fight etc.. I have a better idea for you bloggers, why dont you get the whole story before you start making cheap shots at those who serve and protect. Maybe some of you should get educated and help out the College with their funding issues, TAKE A CLASS. And to the Coos Bay Police Department, Thank you for your hard work and dedication.

Riverside wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:01 AM:

The problem is the out of town athletes! Make the coaches responsible for the behavior of their students and you might see less tuition waivers paid out and less calls to the local authorities. Make housing available to our local students to rent first and to in state students next. Charge out of state tuition. Right now out of staters pay the same as in district and in state students. Keep your tax dollars serving the local community and nobody will complain if you get a call or two to the police dept.

Riverside wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:01 AM:

The problem is the out of town athletes! Make the coaches responsible for the behavior of their students and you might see less tuition waivers paid out and less calls to the local authorities. Make housing available to our local students to rent first and to in state students next. Charge out of state tuition. Right now out of staters pay the same as in district and in state students. Keep your tax dollars serving the local community and nobody will complain if you get a call or two to the police dept.

to taxpaying wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:14 AM:

hey we all pay taxes to..and when we go to work we all have to do our jobs the cops are there to serve and protect that means yes the local citizens from harmful people regardless if they are from here or not.i mean thats like asking should my taxes go to pay for a police officer protecting my neighbor if someone from california is trying to kill her after all the criminal isn't from the area. get real. cops need to do their jobs or step back and let people be hired who will.

moonpenny wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:58 AM:

$117,500 for each officer !!!

Since when do our CB Police make that much per year.

Either the college picks up the tab for their brats or dont bother to call 911.

Hugh wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:50 PM:

Why is it that the Coos Bay Police do not have enough officers per capita? How is the the fault of the college? How is this the fault of business owners who have paid their taxes and have been held victim to extortion attempts by the City of Coos Bay? Where is my tax money going?

Joe Sixpack wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:23 PM:

They drive around the lake on the trails after dark and it's a short cut and have never asked for money to do that!

Samuel wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:28 PM:

If memory recalls, Southwestern Oregon Community College is in the City Limits of Coos Bay! They should have that place on their Patrol details in the first place. With the issues that have occured there, they should be more concerned and have that place on a list of priorities. Tax dollars pay for the police services. There should be no need for an agreement. If they want to strip the authority from their Public Safety Dept, then the police have no choice but to provide protection services. Why are they going to keep a public safety dept if they have no authority to do their job? What a waist!!! It is like having Security at certain places but not letting them do anything to prevent crime. It is such a waist in the strictest sense. Liability is everywhere regardless. Lets face it folks!

Coos Bay Resident wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:05 PM:

The CBPD is doing a great job. If their security people can't do the job, the college should get someone that can do their duties. I understand that SWOCC does not pay any taxes....

Taxpaying Police Officers Spouse wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:12 PM:

The college should pay for the services they use. Most of the students that are causing the police calls are not from the area, they don't work or pay taxes. Should my taxes pay for these brat's "playhouse" (oh excuse me SOCC's dorm housing)or crimes that are committed against my neighbors?

Nick wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:10 PM:

Police departments in this area care more about the bottom line, than the public good.

At least Coos Bay (relative to population) isn't as bad as Coquille...

Jay wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:05 PM:

Why don't the college use the state Police? They have hired more officers
everybody wants a free lunch

Coos Bay Citizen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 12:39 PM:

Heaven forbid the Coos Bay Police Department actually do their jobs. It should not be about the institution that they are protecting but the people. It seems that they have forgotten about that and are more concerned about making money then doing their jobs. Shame on you!


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