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C wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:30 PM:
To Dedicated Instructor,
In the same exam some were multiple choice questions and some were not (for example, we were given an equation and had to show our work). Even with some of them being multiple choice, there was still no way to answer correctly without doing the actual math. It was a class you could only pass if you understood the math, showed the teacher that, and showed that you put forth an effort. There are some online classes you can't merely BS your way through.
In the same exam some were multiple choice questions and some were not (for example, we were given an equation and had to show our work). Even with some of them being multiple choice, there was still no way to answer correctly without doing the actual math. It was a class you could only pass if you understood the math, showed the teacher that, and showed that you put forth an effort. There are some online classes you can't merely BS your way through.
Dedicated Instructor wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:45 AM:
"You're Wrong":
Thank you for your apology. I will pass your input on to the section leaders of the appropriate academic departments.
"C":
Were the exams for that online college algebra course at Chemeketa multiple choice? That is the word "out on the streets".
Thank you for your apology. I will pass your input on to the section leaders of the appropriate academic departments.
"C":
Were the exams for that online college algebra course at Chemeketa multiple choice? That is the word "out on the streets".
C wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:23 PM:
To Dedicated Instructor,
I know others have already said what I am about to but I feel it's important that you know how many of us out there support and depend on online classes. I'm a recent graduate of SOCC and happy to tell you that the majority of classes I took were online and recently, mostly through Chemeketa. I assume you've never personally taken one of these classes because they are not easy. In fact, in my last term at SOCC I took a 5 credit college-level algebra class through Chemeketa and that was hands-down the hardest class I've ever taken. There are a few classes that are easy simple usually due to the fact that the instructor doesn't want to bother (that happens on campus, too!) but those are the exception. Online classes take a lot of dedication and a lot of time and in my opinion, more work than on-campus classes.
I know others have already said what I am about to but I feel it's important that you know how many of us out there support and depend on online classes. I'm a recent graduate of SOCC and happy to tell you that the majority of classes I took were online and recently, mostly through Chemeketa. I assume you've never personally taken one of these classes because they are not easy. In fact, in my last term at SOCC I took a 5 credit college-level algebra class through Chemeketa and that was hands-down the hardest class I've ever taken. There are a few classes that are easy simple usually due to the fact that the instructor doesn't want to bother (that happens on campus, too!) but those are the exception. Online classes take a lot of dedication and a lot of time and in my opinion, more work than on-campus classes.
Check Facts Tony wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:20 AM:
Tony, maybe you need to start investigating your facts. Just because Dr. Meyer reported that borrowing for payroll is routine, doesn't make it so. The college has not ever borrowed for payroll. The college has always had rollover money to start the new fiscal year. The college board in the past has approved if necessary to borrow for payroll, but never had to actually do it.
Major Beef wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:14 PM:
Hey "YOUR WRONG," it seems as if your education that you garnered from some other online institution has failed you. However, I do not believe it has to do with anything they may have done, but I do believe that it was your inattention to detail which has caused your learning problem. Or should I say spelling problem. You can't always blame someone else for your inadequacies.
Youre Wrong wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:17 AM:
Dedicated instructor,
I would like to take a moment to do something that nobody on here, to my knowledge, has taken the time to do. I'd like to apologize to you for my previous post. It is true that online courses can be too easy, but that is not always the case. With better technology and appropriate teaching strategies online courses can be every bit as effective. The faculty at Southwestern, with few exceptions, are outstanding and I appreciate the work all good teachers do. They are worth their weight in gold. Please forgive my harshness in the previous post.
I would like to take a moment to do something that nobody on here, to my knowledge, has taken the time to do. I'd like to apologize to you for my previous post. It is true that online courses can be too easy, but that is not always the case. With better technology and appropriate teaching strategies online courses can be every bit as effective. The faculty at Southwestern, with few exceptions, are outstanding and I appreciate the work all good teachers do. They are worth their weight in gold. Please forgive my harshness in the previous post.
Resident wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:44 PM:
Stop and think for a minute. The college is one of the few things this area still has going for its youth. My college-age kids have both taken classes there and online. Both were a good experience. We need you at the collge!
Youre wrong wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:58 PM:
Hey Dedicated Instructor,
I've taken courses online and in the classroom at SWOCC. I've also taken online classes at other schools. While I'm sure there are those situations where lazy teachers do the check off the box approach, every online class I've ever taken elsewhere has been stimulatine and worthwhile and the delivery was effective. In short, I've learned more in those courses than I did in any class I took at SWOCC. Instead of making over generalizations you should go back to the drawing board and figure out how to teach.
I've taken courses online and in the classroom at SWOCC. I've also taken online classes at other schools. While I'm sure there are those situations where lazy teachers do the check off the box approach, every online class I've ever taken elsewhere has been stimulatine and worthwhile and the delivery was effective. In short, I've learned more in those courses than I did in any class I took at SWOCC. Instead of making over generalizations you should go back to the drawing board and figure out how to teach.
Dedication wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:55 PM:
Someone's Mom,
I am so sorry to hear that. When I was a student there under the previous administration I remember no shortage of trash talk from faculty about the administration. And now they act like those were the good old days.
You'd think that if everyone there just focused on doing their jobs and teaching students, things might not be this bad.
Hmmmmmm. It looks like maybe Hansen isn't the problem after all.
I am so sorry to hear that. When I was a student there under the previous administration I remember no shortage of trash talk from faculty about the administration. And now they act like those were the good old days.
You'd think that if everyone there just focused on doing their jobs and teaching students, things might not be this bad.
Hmmmmmm. It looks like maybe Hansen isn't the problem after all.
Tony Capo wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:47 PM:
“OUTSIDE OBSERVER wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:05 PM:
One more quick observation. Why did the college have to borrow the money to make August payroll. That was not done in the prior admistration (about 20 years) but now the college is short of funds and the old business managers have been removed, replace, reshuffled, retired (something is fishy in the books). What have you done Dr. Hansen?”
Uh, yes it has been done before during a new budget cycle, and was even acknowledged by Dr. Meyer. Apparently you don’t pay attention “OUTSIDE.” As I’ve explained earlier it is sometimes necessary when there is foot-dragging passing a budget. Try to keep up.
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One more quick observation. Why did the college have to borrow the money to make August payroll. That was not done in the prior admistration (about 20 years) but now the college is short of funds and the old business managers have been removed, replace, reshuffled, retired (something is fishy in the books). What have you done Dr. Hansen?”
Uh, yes it has been done before during a new budget cycle, and was even acknowledged by Dr. Meyer. Apparently you don’t pay attention “OUTSIDE.” As I’ve explained earlier it is sometimes necessary when there is foot-dragging passing a budget. Try to keep up.
Continued on forum: http://www.theworldforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=462&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=aa59f195993cd8da8ca7768ab9c33181&start=10
Hugh Menz wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:04 AM:
I think this is a big waste of our tax payers dollars. It makes no sense to investigate complaints made in private to board members. If these employees had a truthful and factual complaint, why did they not act with honor and try to resolve their issues by speaking with the President directly? I really don't trust those who complain and after months of this conflict, I can see that they probably don't have a leg to stand on.
When Dr. Hansen first arrived at SOCC there were complaints of the lowest morale at the college. Everyone expected her to fix it but there may always be low morale at the college because employees choose to feel this way. Everybody wants to be in charge and that's what this is really about.
When Dr. Hansen first arrived at SOCC there were complaints of the lowest morale at the college. Everyone expected her to fix it but there may always be low morale at the college because employees choose to feel this way. Everybody wants to be in charge and that's what this is really about.
No More wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:07 PM:
Dedicated:
What are you talking about? Would you like to jump to more conclusions or are you worn out?
What are you talking about? Would you like to jump to more conclusions or are you worn out?
Someones Mom wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:18 PM:
I am not sending my son to school because last year some of his instructor's spent too much time talking about this issue instead of teaching. They tried to pull the students into this trash talk.
My son met Dr. Hansen and said she is very nice and was genuinely interested in his career goals. No one else, not even his academic advisor, took this kind of interest in him.
My son met Dr. Hansen and said she is very nice and was genuinely interested in his career goals. No one else, not even his academic advisor, took this kind of interest in him.
TRUTH wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:36 PM:
NO MORE - instead of getting mad why do you seek facts and support your community? Have you even taken the time to find out what is going on? I have. The instructors are still providing a quaility education and the employees are still working extremely hard for the students. The problem lies with the president and the board. Why would you take it out on the rest of them? It really seems like the thing you should teach your kids is to stand up for the right things, like you would want people to do for them!
DEDICATED EMPLOYEE wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:31 PM:
I am heart broken to hear that we are not receiving guidance from the board right away as we so desperately need it. There are so many employees on campus working to hard to keep everything together in the midst of the termoil. Comments that we are lazy are quite hurtful and untrue. We have ask for help for the sake of the students and the college we believe in. We know that it can again be the great place it once was! Please help us College Board.
Objective Observer wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:58 PM:
How interesting that, in prior Board of Education meetings, it was claimed "imperative" for the discussions to be aired in open session in order to promote a message of legitimacy and transparency.
What has now changed?
What has now changed?
outside observer wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:05 PM:
One more quick observation. Why did the college have to borrow the money to make August payroll. That was not done in the prior admistration (about 20 years) but now the college is short of funds and the old business managers have been removed, replace, reshuffled, retired (something is fishy in the books). What have you done Dr. Hansen?
outside observer wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:02 PM:
Why did Dr. Hansen reverse her decision to go private (executive meeting) when she demanded public hearings before? Also, how can the college move ahead when the no confidence votes indicate a severe moral problem on campus? Could it be that the board does not want to fire Dr. Hansen because they would have to buy out her contract? Please reconsider your motives board members.
Dedicated Instructor wrote on Sep 4, 2008 3:48 PM:
No More: Are you referring to on-line classes via Chemeketa CC?
If so, you (and your "kids") are in for a big surprise, as on-line classes usually offer a "check-off-the-box" type educational experience. But since you have used the term BUSINESS, that is likely all that you have in mind anyway.
If so, you (and your "kids") are in for a big surprise, as on-line classes usually offer a "check-off-the-box" type educational experience. But since you have used the term BUSINESS, that is likely all that you have in mind anyway.
No More wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:22 PM:
I've spoken to my 19 and 20 year old and they've decided to quit SOCC and take their classes AND THEIR BUSINESS elsewhere. I've taken classes off and on there over the years and will (from now on) take classes at Chemeketa. The employess are lazy, most instructors caught in the middle and the board....no words can describe.
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