CB district blocks its students from NB virtual school

By Jessica Musicar, Staff Writer
Monday, September 01, 2008 | 29 comment(s)

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Students in several Oregon school districts, including Coos Bay, have been denied permission to enroll in an online charter school sponsored by the North Bend district.

Among them are Angie Armstrong’s three children.

A Coos Bay resident and stay-at-home-mom, who moved from North Bend in 2006, Armstrong said she’s been unable to enroll her kids in the Oregon Virtual Academy because the Coos Bay School District won’t let them go.

ORVA is a K-8 public charter school that will open its virtual doors to students on Sept. 3.

“I think we’re a special case, because my kids have never been in the Coos Bay School District,” Armstrong said. Her children attended North Bend schools last year after receiving approval from Coos Bay.

On Aug. 14, she requested that her children — in first, fourth and eighth grade — be allowed to attend the online school. By Aug. 20, she was notified by ORVA staff that it had been turned down.

“I was kind of mad. I was a little bit angry and I wanted to know why,” Armstrong said Friday morning.

With the first day of school just days away, Armstrong’s children aren’t enrolled anywhere.

“What I’m going to do is home school them. I don’t have a choice. I’ll pay for it myself, do it at my own cost and use my own curriculum instead of getting everything free through ORVA,” Armstrong said. 

Like any other public school, ORVA provides educational tools for students to use on loan, including computers, textbooks and microscopes for science projects.

“I think the parents should be allowed to decide what is the best education for their kids. I don’t think one person, which in this case is the superintendent, should be allowed to override that.”

Coos Bay Superintendent Bob De La Vergne said he isn’t against some form of online school, but he thinks the existing format is wrong.

Rather than allow one school district to charter a virtual school, he wants the state to provide the software to all school districts so there is a level playing field. He estimated that every student who is allowed to leave the district means about $5,000 less for Coos Bay schools. Allowing this money to leave with the student is not something he wants to do, though he suggested unhappy parents could take their concerns to the school board.

“I’m not going to do that, not unless I’m ordered to by the board,” he said. “I have to be a good steward of district funds.”

De La Vergne said he has denied about 10 requests, but with registration in full swing, he isn’t sure of the exact number.

He said Coos Bay School board members know he has been denying students’ requests to transfer to the virtual academy. He said he approved two students’ requests, but they were special situations. He declined to explain further.

“I will not allow any more. I’m done,” De La Vergne said. “We have a good school system with great teachers, so I want to keep our students in our classrooms.”

B.J. Hollensteiner, North Bend’s superintendent, said it’s De La Vergne’s choice whether to allow students to leave his district.

“Every student that enters the ORVA school has to have a release from their district,” Hollensteiner said. That’s a condition of the academy’s approval by the State Board of Education.

Hollensteiner said her own district works to maintain full-time equivalent student numbers, which determine how much money districts get from the state to provide programs. But if she were in De La Vergne’s shoes, Hollensteiner said, she would support students if they chose to attend a virtual academy.

“I think it’s important for kids to have choices,” she said.

The vice president of a curriculum provider for ORVA, K12 Inc., is trying to help.

Randall Greenway said ORVA officials are working with other school districts to ensure they understand what ORVA is — a public school approved by the State Board of Education — and to advise parents and superintendents on how to deal with requests.

Greenway said the academy has about 300 applicants. Of those, 124 have been approved to attend. They come from 62 different school districts within the state. He said he is aware of four districts that have denied a total of 22 students.

“It’s fully anticipated that some districts would say no,” Greenway said. “A parent has the best interest of their child in mind. I find it surprising that any government official or school official would deny a child access to the educational program of their choice.”

— Staff writer Alexander Rich contributed to this story.
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Virtual Axe Grinder wrote on Mar 17, 2009 8:46 PM:

My girls just left traditional school to join ORCA (the Connections Academy in Scio) and couldn't be happier. Our oldest wanted to stay in Acapella Choir at her old school but follow the main curriculum of ORCA. We were told that "there isn't a mechanism in place to allow that to happen." Translation? The old school wanted their cut of state funding. Long story short - after getting on a first name basis with people in our old school district, the Scio district, and the legal coordinator for the Oregon Department of Education, we created the needed "mechanism".

Angie - never give up and never accept "No" when it comes to your kids. Unfortunately, educators are not there to help people anymore - unless they sign their paychecks.

If anyone wants the assistance of a fighter in this arena, post a reply on how to contact you. Our kids need someone to stand up to the districts and state and I am enjoying being in this position!

Another Denied Parent wrote on Feb 19, 2009 3:20 PM:

My two children were also denied enrollment in ORVA by "Mr." De La Vergne and I am thoroughly disgusted that someone who is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of our childrens' education, can be so closed minded and selfish as to put money before their education. I do know my childrens needs as their mother. I know that ORVA can provide the curriculum and the support they need to acheive their educational goals and develop their individual talents to their maximum potential. My children have been in the Coos Bay school system and, after seeing the schools' "report cards" as well as my childrens', I can guarantee that this will be their last year. Mr. De La Vergne might have the final say as far as whether or not they attend ORVA for now, but he does not have the final say as to whether or not I home school my children, move to another district, or whatever else it takes to give my children the education that they desire in the meantime. You can kiss another $10k goodbye for your 2009-2010 school year Mr.De La Vergne. This is my decision to make, not yours.

section thirty-seven wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:34 AM:

Angie,
The school district has the right to do that within the district also. I am very surprised that your children were allowed to go to to N.B. especially after the wrestling debacle of years earlier. If everything was perfect we would only be one school district, but that old stubbornness keeps us paying for two when one would do.

Angie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:32 PM:

Moonpenny, it is awesome that you were able to enroll your kids in the school that best fit their needs. Imagine if you had not been allowed to transfer them from NB to CB! It is absolutely in the best interest of the kids to allow them to participate in whatever educational program works for them. I’m happy your kids turned out well! It’s always a happy ending when school officials can listen to parents and support them to do what is best for their kids.

Angie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:32 PM:

Section Thirty-Seven, I wholly understand what you're saying in your comment. However, the very notion of an online program is distance learning. Students from school districts all across Oregon have been approved to enroll in the ORVA program sponsored by North Bend. A fundamental problem for me is my kids have only ever attended NB schools, with permission to do so from the CB superintendent. Only now he won't approve them for ORVA. In my view, he is not losing money by releasing my kids to ORVA. He would only gain money by now trying to force me to enroll them in his district. I would almost be willing to bet that the impact that ORVA enrollment has on the CB district would be no different than what usually occurs throughout the school year due to the mobility of students anyway.

moonpenny wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:44 PM:

KennyG:

When I first moved to Oregon,my teens attended North Bend. They quickly wanted out and wanted to transfer to Marshfield. They not only graduated with Honors they both graduated early.
It depends on the individual student. North Bend was too clicky and drugs were rampant. Everyone was stoned by 2nd period. Their words, not mine. I am proud of their decisions. They are both fine adults and have great kids themselves. Go Pirates!!

C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:23 PM:

Bill,

It's ridiculous for you to make the assumption that going to school online must mean they're lazy. I'm not sure how ORVA compares to college but I've been a college student for three years, have gone both traditionally on-campus and online, and of the two, the online classes are much harder and more time-consuming. Just because it doesn't involve a physical classroom doesn't mean it's easy.

another home school mom wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:01 AM:

I use ABeka curriculum, with ALEKS for math. When I started my daughter had average grades. She is now 2 grade levels ahead, and gets more done in a day than most students at public schools do in a week. She is not lazy one bit. It is prety unfair that you are so judgemental. Colleges now prefer homeschool kids because they are more independent and have better ability to adapt to college, and generally retain more from their homeschool studies.

HOMESCHOOLING MOM wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:40 PM:

I homeschool our children. First independently and then I purchased the K-12 curriculum. It is a good program.
The students who are homeschooled are are far from lazy, in fact they test higher than public school students. The schools here are horrible. If parents want another option for their children they should be allowed to do so. Shame on the CB school district!
It is obviously all about money and their big wigs paychecks. How sad!

section thirty-seven wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:30 PM:

It is Mr. De La Lavergne's job to look out for all the students in the Coos Bay School District. Losing money is detrimental to the district. If you're serious about your child attending this North Bend School District's offering then move over there.

Angie wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:26 AM:

Thank you to all that have been so supportive, here or to me personally.

It is a common misconception that kids that are homeschooled are lazy or are kept at home all the time. I realize that not everyone agrees that online or at home learning is the best option for kids. (The ORVA program is quite different from the traditional homeschooling method, though.) However, I feel that the Coos Bay public school system is not the best option for my kids and am very disappointed that my wishes as a parent have been totally disregarded. The fact is CB does not offer the ORVA program at this time. To me, a level playing field would mean every student has the opporunity to participate in whatever program may work best for them. I understand the CB school district's need for funding, but I cannot support a school district that does not support my wishes for my children.

Kristi wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:15 PM:

To BILL~ What a disgrace to the CB School District, the children, and the teachers to say such a thing. Anyone who cares about kids and knows kids know they learn in different ways. To generalize all kids that do online school or home school as lazy is absolutely unfounded. Evidentally you don't know successful human beings who didn't graduate from the traditional school setting. I have a child who does just fine in the regular public school setting and another who has had to have other routes to achieve his education and is pursuing the traditional setting again. Because he isn't "lazy" in fact he wants to be w/other children. Sometimes the work they do at home, is much more than in the classroom.....

Kathy wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:32 AM:

Connections Academy out of Scio, Oregon is another option for Virtual schooling. My child, who had been enrolled in the Coos Bay School District, had no trouble being enrolled in that school. Everything was provided for him as it sounds like it would be for the North Bend program. I feel that as a parent you have the responsibility to provide the best educational opportunity for your child(ren) without a school official deciding. Not all kids learn equally well in today's classrooms.

... wrote on Sep 3, 2008 3:08 PM:

Sounds to me like this De La Vergne doesn't want to take a pay decrease...

WHAT A SHAME wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:20 AM:

This is another example of the priorities of the schood districts in this area. If the oldest child was a athelete, I would bet my bottom dollar the did would be allowed to attend just about any form of education that he could get into just as long as the child could do sports. The school districts in this area believe that "it is more important to be able to throw a football or dribble a basketball or whatever in sports than it is to be able to spell the words: Why don't Angie just enroll the kids in normal school instead of keeping them at home. The kids will never learn about "real life" at home. What a shame

Linda wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:07 PM:

Jay hit it on the nose. It's all about who gets the money, not the kids education.

Mike Cook wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:16 PM:

It looks to me like the parent should be able to choose what they feel is best for their children. Most of the home schooled children I know of excel in their academics. You don’t see them in the criminal justice programs either. I say let the parent make the choice and get on with it.

Wyrd wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:20 AM:

Now let me get this straight. Your school is so crappy no one wants to go there, but despite that, you think you should get 5,000 for that student. WHY?

Kenny G wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:12 PM:

The Coos Bay Resource Link Charter Program was rated as unacceptable by the Oregon Department of Education. Furthermore, the Coos Bay School District was rated as mediocre while North Bend was rated as "Exceptional, Strong and Outstanding" by ODOE. I can see why a parent would opt for ORVA or Home School in lieu of sending their children to Coos Bay.

momof wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:02 PM:

Im so sorry for your situation. God Bless you and your family.

bill wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:37 PM:

let the lazy kids stay home we dont want them in our school anyway

Non-Bay Area parent wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:04 PM:

A North Bend school district is "surprised a school official would deny a child access ..." Yeah, right. NB officials would have kittens if they were on the receiving end of this lopsided, unfair program.
If one school district has this program available, all school districts should have the same available to them.

Jay wrote on Aug 31, 2008 7:25 PM:

Its all about money. School districts should be required to spend less in management and the larger amount in each school. Pay teachers well and have better programs.

yes but now... wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:35 PM:

Coos Bay, you did get it right. The homeschooler is, under the current laws, a citizen of Coos Bay, and crossing lines is not the law. However, I hope the Coos Bay school district is hearing what the spirit is. The public school system does not meet every learner's needs and should provide an online option. If students can get their education and work to save for college, or get their education and follow their given spiritual path, this is good.

Of course if school vouchers become the law of the land, all bets are off and the school districts cannot simply stake their claim and will have to earn the learners and the funds that come with them.

NB wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:53 PM:

Once again it's about the money and not the education of the child.

Local Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:52 AM:

How petty can the Coos Bay district be? The K12 curriculum used by ORVA is a good program. If parents are asking to enroll their children then the Coos Bay school district must not be meeting the needs of those children. Instead of letting them go, Coos Bay is being greedy and claiming that the money they get is more important than the children receiving an an appropriate education for their needs as is their right under state law.

Just An Observer wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:44 AM:

It's about the money, not the kids. When attendance is directly linked to funding, what else is another district supposed to do? If the virtual academy saves money, send the saved portion back to the district that released the student. Fewer students but a bit more money per student with this formula is a doable compromise. If the virtual academy does not save money, then that's another kettle of fish to deal with.

cookie wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:47 AM:

Coos Bay Superintendent Bob De La Vergne has made himself very clear when he said he wants a level playing field. It's all about the money and has nothing to do with what is best for the kids.

Mr. De La Vergne may have chose the wrong career. K-12 Education should always be about what is in the best interest of our children.

moonpenny wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:35 AM:

Parents of Coos Bay:


http://www.resourcelinkcharter.org/resourcelink/Home.html

It's an excellent program that works. My child attended and graduated. And the district continues to get the needed funding for the schools.


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