want to know wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:52 PM:
former musician, how is this info public record and where do you look something like that up? I would like to know so I can look it up? not sure where to find it.
Former Musician wrote on Sep 27, 2008 3:18 PM:
The Lab Band is NOT looking to hire a new director. They ARE looking for a volunteer director. They have no money and are $14,000 in debt because the Youngs (who were the ONLY ones with access to the bank accounts -- it's a public record, look it up)took all the money in the bank accounts for the past three years. The board has the cancelled checks and bank statements to prove it. You can't fake those. Get your facts right, and stop basing all your arguments on emotion. There's a lot more to this whole story than you think.
Brett Howard wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:13 PM:
I think the fact that the Board of Directors so selfishly continued to request that the Youngs give so much of their time without compensation is the real crime. What kind of message are we giving to kids here? Its ok to use people as long as their morals allow you? I find it quite interesting how now they are so interesting in HIRING and paying someone to replace them. Good luck finding someone as good and even more luck getting them to do it for free!!!
Becca wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:01 PM:
Former Musician:
I have not heard of any of that before. I highly doubt everything you say to be true.
However, if that is the case, and it is true, then I think that the Board of Directors are at fault as well. Should they not be responsible for the programs finances? Why didn't they know what had been going on for years? Are they not the ones running the program also?
How quickly people point the finger at only my parents. I think the board should be investigated.
John 8:7
".... Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone..."
Romans 3:23
"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.."
:)
Becca
Former musician wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:29 PM:
Things are not always black and white. Sometimes good people do bad things because of the situation they find themselves in. The Youngs started out the Lab Band program with the best of intentions, and for years they ran the program with honesty and integrity. But somehow, several years ago, things changed for them. They stopped paying the insurance on the building and the vehicles, they stopped paying property taxes on the building. They lost their 501(c)3 designation. These are all public records. They may or may not have a gambling problem, but the facts are crystal-clear. The Lab Band program is now in debt because the Youngs took money that was supposed to go to the program. The Department of Justice and the IRS are sorting things out, and the program is trying to survive. It's a shame things have come to this.
Patti Norman wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:45 AM:
Thanks Becca,
You and all of us are very proud of your parents and I am sure because of lab bands beginnings you showed up with mom and dad for 99% of the meetings we had, that you too have been blessed with music. People who truly do know Gregg and Patti are the ones whose lives have been greatly changed. Being or having a child in lab band taught us to inner act with other people, respect individuals who have different opinions on music, things can happen when everyone is involved and of course structure and committment in our lives.
I will always love you guys for what you have done with the community..
God Bless
Becca Young wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:20 PM:
"A Person": I don't quite understand your comment about "they didn't want the board of directors to help them out."
Just so you know, my parents DID want the board of directors to help them out, and in fact it was brought up months ago. And in case there is any confusion on the "non-profit" theory, just so you know, Pastor's and other church staff get paid and churches are also 501C3 non-profit organizations. I know this because I work for a church. So, don't think that because it's a 501C3 that there can't be paid positions.
Just to clear up any confusion, Lab Band was originally started at the old Southbound Sound downtown Coos Bay when the store used to be across from the Fire Station. The store then moved to North Bend where Lab Band continued, then a short while later moved to the Harding Building at Marshfield.
Mrs. Norman is right when she said that my parents gave SO much out of their pocket to make this program work.
Thank you all so much for your support. We know who you are :)
another person wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:26 AM:
"a person" The lab band DID originally start at Marshfield because Greg didn't own the Southbound Sound Store yet. Kelly still owned it. Patti Norman is right. They were in the Jr. high building. I happen to know all the facts about this story and I don't have a bad opinion of the Youngs. It's too bad that people are so quick to judge other people. The public hasn't been kept in the dark. The lab band meeting where Greg spoke was a public meeting, all was laid out on the table.
A person wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:06 AM:
Patti Norman: First off, it didn't start at Marshfield HS, it started at Southbound sound in North Bend, and Second, They didn't want a board of directors to help them out, they HAD to have one in order to be a non-profit.
It's too bad the public is kept in the dark about what happened...I think a lot of people's opinions would be different...
Patti Norman wrote on Sep 17, 2008 2:47 PM:
I am one of the orginal board members of the Lab-Band. I was there when we started the lab-Band. It was started at Marshfield High School. Maybe 8 kids or less at the time.
My son was one of the first band members and this was the opportunity of a life time. Greg and his wife struggled to get things off the ground. Greg and his wife wanted a board of members to keep track and to help with the organization of this wonderful band.
Greg and Patti were the ones who put their hard earned money into this program for kids. It kept my son off the streets. They needed money? I came from their pockets. I, as a board member,
knew where every nickel and dime went to.
When Lab-band started going to venues that offered to pay for the kids. Everyone knew it..No secrets. No hidden Ccosts and no "cover up" expenses for anythingl. They do not steal from their own pockets.
Apparently someone has a issue with this wonderful organization that maybe their child didn't qualify?..didn't meet the expections of the program?..
Brett Howard wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:55 AM:
In no way was Greg "taking advantage of already well trained successful musicians". You can talk to my directors in school and ask people in my community. I received the Louis Armstrong Jazz award 3 times at my school and much of what I'd learned in the sense of jazz was from Greg. Even more importantly Greg gave me the confidence that it took for me to participate further in the younger bands and pass on what he gave me to others. Many say Greg's motto was "respect" and it was but the true reason was to "pass it on" as he promised his mentor years before!
Lad rippen wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:24 PM:
You have to remember that anyone can post on here. Some of the things I have read, have obviously been from a rival, and I know who you are. Not professional at all. I know who started the rumors too. and I think they shoud stick to tending thier own store. Karma can get ya when you least expect it.
interested Party wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:19 PM:
Greg and Patti are not living high on the hog. To say that their lifestyle has been supported is curious. What lifestyle? They have lost their home, their store and their car. It's not like they are living like the Hiltons. Greg doesn't have an ego, and for anyone to say so tells me that they don't know Greg at all. Some people have been jealous of Greg's previous success and they are saying hurtful things to hurt him. You go Becca. I love you and Greg and Patti too.
Becca Young wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:47 AM:
First of all, my dad does not have an ego. Second of all, nobody in my family has gambling problems. I know exactly who started that rumor, and his crude reasoning behind it. His only intention was to spread hurtful and untrue information about my family, to just kick us while we're down.
Please, PLEASE stop saying negative, hurtful things about MY family. It sucks and it hurts. Enough is enough. Do you not realize that your rude opinions hurt more than Greg and Patti? Have you no respect for them or the rest of my family?
I sincerely ask that you keep anything that will cause more pain to my family, to yourselves.
This entire situation could have easily stayed between the Lab Band board of directors, and my parents.
Your opinions are in no way needed to determine an outcome of the situation. So PLEASE, get the facts and keep your mouth shut!!!
Please :)
-Becca
musician wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:36 PM:
if you steal money, you create
a new label for yourself. No one feels worse than the person with the gambling problem. We
cannot do or say anything that will change the facts. All the opinions that may show up on this site are really of no value.
Greg had a huge ego ..the lab band fed that ego.
The Casino is one of the worst things to happen to this community. Because we let this happen we can all share the blame.,, What did you think would happen..flowers and sunshine???
JUST WAITING wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:05 PM:
I understand the Lab Band Board is considering moving forward with an internal audit. Thank you for taking your position on the board seriously, it is a huge responsibility, with legal ramifications if not taken seriously when criminal offense is known of. When the huge numbers are revealed of the extent of the financial loss, then possibly people will have a full understanding of the underhanded dealings of the Youngs. The audit will be independent of the Board of Directors, then criminal charges can be made. We in the community who have well supported the Youngs life style, thinking we were supporting a music program for children are waiting. Greg and Patti seem to be good people. Many criminals are likeable, that does not excuse their behavior or actions.
moonpenny wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:27 AM:
This is not a case of theft. It is a case of "shoebox" bookeeping. I helped Patti with an audit of instruments a couple of years ago ... omg, it was incredible, the time and money that has gone into those instruments and equipment. But they make sure that everyone that comes thru that door, can play, whether they own an instrument or not. I was in awe, that 2 people could make something this large and this amazing happen in our small town.
God Bless you Patti and Greg. It's going to be okay.
coos bay native wrote on Aug 27, 2008 11:54 AM:
Everything Mark Daily is involved with seems to turn out to be a mess.
Sandman wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:43 PM:
Charlotte, That is not what Greg told me. And I do know what I am talking about because Greg and Patti had a meeting with the board just a few weeks ago. They went before the board and asked them for a salary and the board agreed. I know at least 4 of the people who were there and that is the truth. Like I said I am getting tired of people who don't know the facts getting on here and making unsubstantiated claims. And no one has donated more time to the program than Greg and Patti!
Koree wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:08 PM:
I was a lab band member for two years. During that time, I learned quite a bit from Greg. I will admit, he was a great teacher, and from the surface he seemed to have a wonderful heart. Greg and his wife started the lab band program 16 years ago for a good cause; they wanted a positive and safe place for young people in our community to go and learn and play music, instead of getting into trouble. Over the years they became major influences in the young boys and girls who have gone through the lab band program. Greg not only taught about music, but he also taught about life; "respect" was his favorite word and his biggest value. The last year I was in the program, I began to see the Young's, as well as the program, begin to decline. I began to see the goodness in Greg and Patti become selfishness and greed.
Charlotte wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:24 AM:
Sandman, It is obvious that you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about. Several years ago, Lab Band was offered a grant to pay the directors's salary plus office help. It was turned down by the director. (And it was definately a substantial amount.) The grant was offered with stipulations for outside audits......
The slap in the face is to all of those who donated their time and money to the program.
Sandman wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:46 PM:
Really sick and tired of all of the accusations. The board hasn't said if wrong doing is involved and some already have them convicted. Greg is not a thief! To say that means you don't know him. His passion has been to teach kids NOT TO MAKE MONEY OFF THEM. He should have made it a for profit organization and taken a salary. That way he wouldn't have to involve so many narrow minded and hateful people. He asked for a salary years ago. But no, they couldn't actually pay him for his time. Now that he is not in charge of his own band they are talking about paying a replacement. What a slap in the face that must feel like. Why don't you find out the facts before you start calling people thieves. That is a very serious accusation. One I know not to be true. I’m sure he sleeps fine except for worrying about what will happen to the kids if the band ends. He really IS that kind of guy. If you REALLY knew him you would know that.
Not News wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:28 PM:
For everyone who thinks this not news, that the Board should be praised for there quick actions or that this whole thing should be forgotten. Keep in mind that individually and as a group, members of a nonprofit (501c3) Board of Directors are legally and morally responsible for the activities of an organization. The Board has an obligation to maintain the financial integrity of the organization; the-day-to day operation is overseen by the executive director and controller, but the Board maintains oversight responsibilities.
A lawsuit alleging breach of fiduciary duty could be brought by a donor, a concerned citizen, or the Attorney General. In short, this type of lawsuit alleges that the board of directors is not appropriately using and protecting the assets and resources of the nonprofit organization.
Don't think for a second that the Board is not aware of this, and if they aren't, they need to get some legal representation on their Board.
music lover wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:22 PM:
what are you teaching our kids? That is ok to take from others if you can get away with it and gain in your own world?
this is a crime - they need to be charged with the crimes - this will show children (and other theives) that this is just WRONG - kids need a future - i am afraid now that i will never allow my kids to join this type of program since the passion that seems to keep this program of Greg's going is a passion of making money from others.
Wrong - just wrong. HOw do you sleep?
Lad Rippen wrote on Aug 25, 2008 7:55 AM:
Thank you "why bring it up" I think you hit the nail on the head. This is a personal attack on the Youngs. There are people out there who are jealous of Greg & Patti's success and have been for years. Anyone can post a hateful message on here and you must realize some have been waiting for a chance just like this. So don't believe everything you read. and if you think that Greg and Patti have been doing this for their own gain my God I challenge them to have spendt as much of their own time and money devoted to these kids as they have. Not many people could keep up the schedule that I have seen them take on year after year without fail. All these posts are speculation and it's getting very OLD! Karma works both ways when you least expect it. Don't gloat too much it may come back and bite you!!!!!
Frustrated wrote on Aug 23, 2008 7:28 PM:
Reading these comments breaks my heart... I absolutely cannot believe some of the comments that I have read in regards to all the Lab Band articles on this website.
I know from personal experience that Greg and Patti never had any second agenda to the Lab Band program.... they NEVER would have started this program to help their music store, or to use the kids to make money off of them. From the beginning their only intention was to give to kids and help them through music. I know this because I am their daughter and I have seen the sacrifices my parents have made to make this program work.
For those of you who have something negative to say about MY family, please get the facts and keep your mouth shut!
Swinging wrote on Aug 23, 2008 5:45 PM:
why doesn't anyone involved question the Youngs' position as long time owners ( until recent financial difficulties ) of a local music store?
supporting the kids means also grooming them as customers of the store. Do I see a conflict of interest here, or a convenient merger of volunteering and business?
Disqusted Parent wrote on Aug 23, 2008 2:06 PM:
Spoken like a true parent, "Facts Please!"
When the Board won't let parents discuss their views; when the Board tries to hide things; when the Board tells The World that meetings didn't happen when the did; when the Board is extremely rude to parents at said meeting; that is the reason things are now being discussed in a public forum.
Devin wrote on Aug 23, 2008 10:47 AM:
As much as I like Greg and Patti....a crime is a crime. What does that tell we kids? If you are nice enough it doesn't matter what you do? If they committed a crime they should be punished. If not they need vindication.
Facts Please wrote on Aug 22, 2008 8:09 PM:
Who leaked the story to the World, could it be someone who wants Greg's position, but wants it for pay? The Board is handling the problem properly, but I see no reason, why there is so much coverage in the newspaper. Greg and Patti have done a great job in organizing and working with these children, and yes there are school bands, the question is how many school bands do we have, and how much time do these children get to rehearse with their school band. Greg and Patti have taken musicians from the school level one step further and we as residents of Coos Bay, take pride in "our" Lab Band. And until we know what happened, why it happened and under whose advice it took place this is a "company" matter and shoud be handled as such. Don't underestimate the value of Greg and Patti to this organization and don't underestimate the children who have worked with them over the past 16 years. And please note I said the children not their parents!
Why Bring It Up wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:25 PM:
What does the current Lab Band issue have to do with our school music programs? This is completely irrelevant to any constructive discussion relating to the Lab Band and nothing more than an attack on a vulnerable target.
Paul Vandervort wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:23 PM:
The Youngs' character should not be called into question here. Rather, we should examine actions and make a determination from there. Should the outcome of this situation be negative for the Youngs, a reasonable consequence should be decided. After that consequence has been fulfilled/completed/resolved, do we not owe them the same opportunity that any of us would want? Shouldn't we give them a chance at redemption? Though we cannot deny the wrongness of the alleged act, it is harder still to deny the devotion of this couple to the children they have instructed over the years. For the sake of our children and the future of music on the South Coast, let's find a way to move on.
Bradbury wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:36 PM:
I have had peripheral involvement with Lab Band for years. The financial improprieties have been an "open secret" for many years now. Board members would ask for financial information; the answer was always "I'll get back to you." There also needs to be light shed onto the previous lack of insurance on the Lab Band building and vehicles, which put band members at some risk, along with IRS problems - all public record information. Whether it's a good program, has a good director, or if the program will continue - all are immaterial now. Money is gone; that's a given. What remains is to figure out where the money went and if laws were broken. Very sad state of affairs for what was a wonderful program. Never thought I could be ashamed of my affiliation with Lab Band. I was wrong.
Larry Reiber wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:24 AM:
Why didn't The World wait until all the facts were found in all investigations before making this a head line (wow top of page one). "Don't want to make accusations that can't be substantiated" and from this you write a top billing article. I can't believe this is happening. It is disgusting.
As It Is wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:06 PM:
Whether right or wrong has been done, for people to go after the Young family at their lowest point in life, especially after years of unrelentless dedication on their part, the type of people who would do this is nothing less than hateful, spiteful, and vindictive at best. Yet sadly, they can look at themselves in the mirror and see no wrong.
KarmaBabyKarma wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:25 PM:
Requesting the Lab Band board to put into reasonable motion a full and independent audit to be made available to the community is an excellent idea. Thank you Lab Band Board of Directors for taking your position on the board so seriously and considering the children of the program first. The children are the first consideration and the audit will help clarify where the priorities have always been. A famous quote from Greg "This program is all about the kids". Well..lets have a full and independent audit and then we can all move forward with the Lab Band motto "RESPECT" which Geg quoted often.
MusicMajor wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:58 PM:
The Lab Band needs to have a fully independent and disclosed audit.
After the numbers are revealed we will revisit the issue of the Lab Band motto "RESPECT". The Youngs have exploited the talented children in this community for personal financial gain for years. Every child arriving at the doors of Lab Band is already a trained musician, taught in our public school system band programs and private lessons from attentive parents, the Youngs used this for profit. Has anyone seen the new graphic on the Lab Band CD? Two swinging handcuffs and the title is "Caught in the Act" Prophetic!!!
Carol Motts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:46 PM:
I don't even know these people, but I've heard several reports that Greg and his wife have literally saved kids from committing suicide, gave them self esteem they didn't have, and many times giving over and above to many, many young people. If they did something wrong, give them a chance for restitution, restoration with forgiveness and love!!! People are so quick to rush to judgment without half the real facts!!!!
Lab Band Graduate wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:38 PM:
1. If there was a crime of theft of funds committed by the former directors (Greg and Patti Young) of the Lab Band Program (they have both resigned, by the way)then the authorities should be handling the situation.
2. If the Youngs are found to be innocent by the district attorney, then they should be reinstated as directors and the program will carry on as before.
3. If the Youngs are found to be guilty by the district attorney, then there isn't a parent in the world that would want them teaching their children...what kind of example would that be to young people?
4. The board hasn't had a fun time investigating this situation. Remember, THEIR kids are in the program, too, and they don't want to see it end. They could have just turned their heads the other way, but instead, they started asking questions and found some financial discrepencies. To not do this would have been irresponsible.
5. Even the Dali Lama has an accountant.
Concerned Alumnus wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:02 PM:
I think everyone needs to take a step back and calm down. There are several things to consider here.
1) Regardless of the Young's enormous hearts, a crime has possibly been commited. There are no circumstances that mitigate the commission of a crime of this nature.
2) Greg Young is one of the best teachers of young people in this country and cannot be simply replaced. Anyone stepping into his position will have gigantic shoes to fill.
3) No organization can succeed (or fail) solely due to one man and one woman; everyone has to do their part. Will this organization suffer from the possible loss of Greg? Yes. Will it fail because of it? Not if those remaining don't lose faith in the ideals that the Young's fostered.
4) This has nothing to do with our school music programs. Period.
I would hope that we as community members can keep the Young's contributions in mind before we make any judgements as to their character. However, if they are held liable for wrong-doing, let's urge fair punishment and a chance at redemption and future success.
Concerned Alumnus wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:51 PM:
I think everyone needs to take a step back here as there are several things that need to be considered.
1) This has nothing to do with our school music programs. Period.
2) Regardless of Greg and Patti Young's enormous hearts, an illegal act was possibly commited. This cannot be ignored.
3) Greg Young is one of the best teachers of young people in this country and one that cannot simply be replaced. Anyone stepping into his position for any reason will have gigantic shoes to fill.
4) A program of this nature cannot succeed (or fail) through the efforts of one man and one woman. It takes all involved doing their part. This program can continue if those remaining do not lose faith.
I would hope that we as community members can see that an enormous amount of good has been done in the past 16 years by Greg and Patti Young. If a crime has been commited, consequences must be assigned. In the meantime, let us treat the Youngs as we would want to be treated were we in their position: with dignity and respect.
prudent wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:31 PM:
Rebecca, I agree with you that the public needs to be made aware of issues like this. If there has been funds contributed for the benefit of the program and the kids, and instead used for personal needs, then I want to know who NOT to hand my check to. The board is on the right path. Ask questions, demand financial back-up and protect the kids.
Intersted Party wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:14 PM:
Wonder why the board decided to not handle this internally like the said they would? Wonder why someone called the World? Seems like they were trying to hurt the Youngs publicly. Bad form. Karma goes both ways.
Rebecca C. wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:18 PM:
I disagree with those who think this story is not of local interest. What happens within a public, nonprofit organization is of interest to every tax paying citizen and eventually financially impacts us all. If people donate to any organization, they have a right to know how their money is being spent. Unfortunately, it doesn't come down to "Is it a good program?" or "Is the director a good teacher?" What it comes down to is very simple: Was the law broken? If so, isn't it out of everyone's hands except the proper authorities? If there was any wrongdoing, it needs to be addressed. It sounds like the board is acting along any board's guidelines as to handle these difficulities they are going though. It really has nothing to do with the kids in the organization and they should be supported.
concerned wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:50 AM:
Lab band parents, please listen to what is actually being said. There are some questions about bookkeeping that need answers for you to survive. The problems are big according to people in the know. If you want to save to program, answer the questions, fix the problem and continue being great. If Greg is the problem, then he being a great guy is not enough. People are not criticizing the program, but the business practices.
I also find it interesting that noone from the lab band program ever gives the schools any credit for sending Greg these great players in the first place.
Lad Rippen wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:50 AM:
It seems very odd that after all this time the Board is thinking about paying a director now. When they wouldn't pay the Youngs. The community should support the whole lab band including the Director not just the kids. Greg started this band and it was his talent that taught these kids what they know. There are not many people that could make a unified group out of that many kids and teach them well enough to win National
competitions. Maybe they did make a mistake. But to say they should have charges filed against them. Good grief that sounds like a bitter angry person who doesn't see the good in anyone. They have devoted all of their time and money to this band. They would work full time and spend most of their nights at Lab Band. Do you think you could find anyone one else with that dedication on a volunteer basis? Good luck with that. They are trying to survive literally. I love Greg and Patti very much. Thanks to everyone who supports them and isn't throwing the first stone. Shame on you who are.
musicguy wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:38 AM:
Let them swing in the breeze. Karma, baby, Karma.
Just my twocents wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:36 AM:
Regardless of all of the good Greg and Patti have done, a much of the credit must go to the local band directors. They are the ones who started the kids, not Greg and Patti. The local band directors are the ones who taught posture, fingering, embouchure, counting and music reading. The local band directors are the ones who interact and encourage the students every day.
Local band directors do donate their time and money; they have been doing it for decades. They don't get the lauds or the credit because they are 'public servants'.
Sean wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:17 AM:
I also have no direct involvement with the Lab Band, other than seeing what Greg and Patti have done over the past 16 years. Go and support them this Saturday at the Egyptian! Greg loves, and is able to get kids out of their comfort zone to make them better individuals. Sixteen years! That, along with the incredible performances speaks volumes to me. I support them 100%
Tirzah Bauer wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:12 AM:
Greg and Patti have given their LIVES devoted to helping these kids. This includes paying out of their OWN POCKET to help in whatever way they can. Do you realize what will happen to the program if you take the Youngs away from it? It will fail. All those kids that RELY on this positive activity will be crushed.I know that the Youngs have been going through a difficult time.I expected Lab Band to unite and come to their aid, but instead I hear you accuse them and take them away from what is most precious to them. What kind of example does that set for kids? What kind of example does that set for the community? You can’t put a dollar number to the amount of good they have put into the people’s and community’s lives. Instead of throwing that accusatory stone, take a good look at your own life and it’s mistakes. Forgive and HELP those desperately in need of it.
I implore anyone reading this to stop this atrocity and help the Young’s in any way you can. It’s time to repay all the help that they’ve done for you.
swordblade wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:09 AM:
It is always amazing to me how many humans are so quick to find a sliver in the eye of another when Huge beams are in there own. In their self righteous endeavors to find fault in others they destroy any good left in and around themselves.
Tirzah Bauer wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:07 AM:
Greg and Patti have given their LIVES devoted to helping these kids. This includes paying out of their OWN POCKET to help in whatever way they can. Do you realize what will happen to the program if you take the Youngs away? It will fail. All those kids that RELY on this positive activity will be crushed.
I know that the Youngs have been going through a difficult time. I expected Lab Band to unite and come to their aid, but instead I hear you accuse them and take them away from what is most precious to them. What kind of example does that set for kids? What kind of example does that set for the community? You can’t put a dollar number to the amount of good they have put into the people’s and community’s lives. Instead of throwing that accusatory stone, take a good look at your own life and it’s mistakes. Forgive and HELP those desperately in need of it.
I implore anyone reading this to stop this atrocity and help the Young’s in any way you can. It’s time to repay all the help that they’ve done for you.
Linda Kissinger wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:10 AM:
It seems to me that the Young's are relying on the wonderful reputation that they have devoloped within boundaries of the talented young people of the Bay Area. How can a non profit board of directors whose sole job is to look after the interest of those talented young people even consider anything less than a full independent audit of the financial affairs of Lab Band? If that independent audit discovers wrong doing then in fact the Board has a moral obligation to press charges. The concerns for the well being of the very people who has handled the financial affairs of Lab Band seems to be very misplaced. The Board should be more concerned about the well being of the children, the community and the supporters of Lab Band. Maybe the Board needs to remember that the Mr. Young is not the reason for the success of Lab Band, the Children are the reason for the success of Lab Band. The community supports the efforts of the Children not the Director. I challenge the Board to remember that.
Brenda Salzano wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:03 PM:
I have been involved in the past with Lab band. Over 10 years. I can tell you this man and wife have put INTO the lab band more than any accounting firm or legal councel could ever know and NEVER would they tell anyone. They give and give till they would have almost nothing themselves. GOD knows what they have contributed in not only money but time, and love. KNOW this, without Greg and patti, there will be NO lab band. Countless kids have benefited untold character development and growth because of them. IF anyone or group of peoples think they could have done better they should have but no, it has always been just Greg and Patti. I am furious over the petty actions of groups who get all involved wit gossip and know only half the story.
I also know this, I love them both, I love what they have done for my daughter and I when we needed it most, and I will stand by them. Nothing anyone says will darken their hearts for the children and they never asked for a dime.
Band Parent wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:51 PM:
We had our son in Lab Band and Greg and Patti were exceptional people. Weather or not they made mistakes makes no difference to us. Our son would not be the muscian he is if it had not been for them. They understood his quirks and helped him tremendously. I remember when he was so scared to play a solo that he was shaking. Now it's likehe invented improv. === God love them. We are in their corner.
Ynot wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:39 PM:
That hospital story is some major news for this area kinda scary for a fat guy living in coos bay...scroll on down to worse that national rate..
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-08-20-hospitals-best-worst_N.htm
Agree with This is the best youve got... wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:45 PM:
So Lee brings in an out of town, heck an out of stater to run the newspaper, and the same mistakes of the old regime - namely lack of adequate, relevant news coverage - continues. Why is the new carissa progress front page news almost daily? Sure, it deserves some coverage but the front page? repeatedly? All I can fathom is that by letting the Oregonian and USA Today run the headline stories first, the World Staff won't have to work much, if at all, when they run it in the paper down the road as current news despite it already being old news.
I had high hopes for a regime change at the World; I'm very disappointed.
(Editor's note: Perhaps a little explanation is in order. First, the Oregonian's story about the tribe is a good one, and I wish we had reported it first. But the reality is, the Oregonian is a fine newspaper with a large, far-ranging news staff. Those reporters work hard to find stories throughout the state, and sometimes they break some local news before a hometown paper does. No local editor likes seeing that happen, but we can't prevent the Oregonian's talented reporters from doing their jobs. Second, the USA Today story is an excellent piece of national journalism, using the Internet to provide searchable local information to every community in the nation. If you read the story, you'll see that it was made possible by exclusive, advance access to new government data. Again, I would love to have reported that information first, but I can't prevent USA Today from breaking national news stories. The World's small staff hustles every day to cover the news that matters to our local readers. But if your standard for success requires that we prevent other journalists from doing good work, then we'll never be able to satisfy you. As for the New Carissa, I'm not going to apologize for covering an ongoing story that our readers care about. Clark Walworth, publisher/editor)
Bruce wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:38 PM:
Did the Lab Band have an outside accountant to audit the books in regard to GAAP and if so, who was it?
concerned wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:17 PM:
Any 501C3 is required to show where the money is going and file proper paperwork. If they cannot, the public should be careful about contributing until they can do this. It's not that hard to do, unless there are problems.
I have to hand it to the group. They are circling the wagons, locking up the information and then accuse anyone who knows anything of spreading rumors. That's pretty smart.
It's a good organization in many ways; Be upfront with the public that has contributed to your organization.
I want it to all be a big mistake, but the information that's out there needs to either be cleared up or dealt with decidedly.
This is not any issue that everyone saying "We Love Greg" will clear up. If you're going to take money from the public, you have to behave like adults and play by the rules.
moonpenny wrote on Aug 20, 2008 6:04 PM:
"This is the best you've got"
Thank you! Perhaps The World "news" staff need to read The Oregonian and USA Today to see "just what is in the news". This is shameful. Tis why I dont have a subscription to The World anymore. It's not worth the cost. When you can read a daily paper in 15 minutes, its not worth it. Not to mention its written at 6th grade english level.
moonpenny wrote on Aug 20, 2008 6:01 PM:
Hire a bookeeper and move on.
reader wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:46 PM:
I've no dog in this fight either but i find it strange - band has no paid positions but are now considering hiring a new director. Guess the directors don't expect the "new" director to work 16 years in an unpaid position.
Aaron Johnson wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:03 PM:
There is no question whether or not Greg and Patti are good people. When I started playing, it was Greg who encouraged me and told me that I the potential to do great things. Without the help of the Lab Band program, I wouldn't be playing professionally with groups from Portland to New York City. I am just one example. Greg has instilled confidence and love in so many children around this area. I hope this situation is resolved soon and I will keep the Young family in my thoughts through this hard time. Let's all do our best to support the Lab Band! In the end, this is about the kids involved with the program. The children shouldn't be affected by the problems that the organization is going through. The best I can say is that we should all try to be understanding, loving and supportive towards this situation. Peace, Aaron Johnson
This is the best youve got... wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:07 PM:
The World should broaden your horizons a little more... below are 2 examples of stories appearing in today's Oregonian and USA Today that represent "real" news not unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo that is borderline defamation of character... how come these stories are not in today's "The World" newspaper - maybe the newspaper should be named "The Not-so-Worldly"
Example 1: Coquille Tribe will sanction same-sex marriage by Bill Graves, The Oregonian
The fact that the Coquille Tribe is the 1st federally recognized tribe to recognize same sex marriages isn't headline news? Am I missing something?
Example 2:"Hospital death rates unveiled for first-time comparison" By Steve Sternberg and Anthony DeBarros, USA TODAY-WORSE THAN THE NATIONAL RATE IN 2006-2007- BAY AREA HOSPITAL COOS BAY OR Heart Failure 15.6 11.6 21 99
- Bay Area Hospital rated the 2nd WORSE hospital in the US in terms of Heart Failure mortality rate isn't headline news in our own homegrown newspaper?
And people wonder why this paper has a hard time selling subscriptions...
Darin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 2:18 PM:
I have absolutely no involvement in the Lab Band. I have not had anyone in my family or anyone I know participate in the program. However, I have been a long time citizen of the Bay Area and can tell you that Greg Young, has put his life and sole into the Lab Band. He and his wife have put endless hours of volunteer work into making it "work." I do not know anything of the about the accusations, but I hope that the board and the citizens of Coos County will consider what Mr. and Mrs. Young mean to this valuable program.
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