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Bob wrote on Aug 26, 2008 5:19 PM:
Fletcher...I am one of those NIMBY's your are talking about. The issue is not about Pacific Cove or their shelter design. The issue is ZONING. That it be placed out of town hasn't even been said on here. There is a pretty nice piece of property at LaClair and Newmark..zoned commercial maybe they could buy it. Or any other type of property such as that. We already pay taxes to support one animal shelter and if this group of people want to open an expensive thoroughly modern facility then let them come up with the cash for it and the property.
To With held on request: If you think you have strays dumped now just imagine how many more animals would be dumped with a shelter nearby. Maybe if you called the shelter they could arrange for some transportation for you to come out there and volunteer. I think it is very nice that you want to do that.
To With held on request: If you think you have strays dumped now just imagine how many more animals would be dumped with a shelter nearby. Maybe if you called the shelter they could arrange for some transportation for you to come out there and volunteer. I think it is very nice that you want to do that.
Fletcher wrote on Aug 26, 2008 1:04 PM:
To the NIMBY's - An animal shelter just "ain't what it used to be". Reality says, we live in a county with a very old shelter design, so everyone is used to what they see. Pacific Cove has invested a lot of volunteer time (and almost no money) in researching the best designs possible for a shelter in a populated area, just for this reason. Put it out in the countryside and it's "out of sight, out of mind= no adoptions". Why do you think the County volunteers do adoptions at the Mall?
What they build, whether big or small, is going to be a MODERN facility and not something using a 50 year old design. The location makes sense, would be easily accessable to volunteers and adopters alike.
What they build, whether big or small, is going to be a MODERN facility and not something using a 50 year old design. The location makes sense, would be easily accessable to volunteers and adopters alike.
Withheld on Request wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:17 PM:
I live on Main, very close to the property proposed for the shelter, and my parents have a house that backs to the same property. Quite frankly, I would be very pleased to have the shelter so close as I would LOVE to beable to volunteer my time to help, but the current location is just too far for me to get there to help. I have had more cats than I care to count dumped around my property. I would like to have the Empire Lakes paths used to walk the dogs as they have in Florence. Volunteers and retired traveler show up there to assist all of the time. And, I have been contributing my donations where ever I find a place to drop in some money for this Shelter. So, please please please put it on Morrison...I would truly love to be able to have it so close.
whyRuSurprised wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:22 PM:
ANother example of the Non Existense of Building codes in Coos County......
Ignorance is Bliss wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:42 AM:
Well being I don't live in that area, it really wouldn't matter to me. But I agree it should not be built in a residential area. I do agree that it does need to be in town somewhere closer to civilization instead of out in the sticks though.
EAGLES PERCH wrote on Aug 24, 2008 10:15 AM:
Kaye; Your "RECALL' is somewhat lacking. Pacific Cove has and still is actively finding homes for dogs and cats. While Mr. Fletcher was Project Manager, KCBY had weekly television spots showing animals that were available for adoption (and many were).
They currently have a web sight that is upgraded weekly, again with available animals for adoption. Kaye, you need to calm down. OK, you're agimst the shelter, but there's no need to bash this group with incorrect assumsions (didn't want to use the words bold-faced lies).Seems you've had too may puppy uppers, relax, thank you for your negative comments, and I'll remember you the next time I see a pussy cat road pizza!
They currently have a web sight that is upgraded weekly, again with available animals for adoption. Kaye, you need to calm down. OK, you're agimst the shelter, but there's no need to bash this group with incorrect assumsions (didn't want to use the words bold-faced lies).Seems you've had too may puppy uppers, relax, thank you for your negative comments, and I'll remember you the next time I see a pussy cat road pizza!
Chris wrote on Aug 24, 2008 9:09 AM:
I live in this area as well. I feel that this shelter and dog park need to be placed either outside the city limits or in an area where there are no houses around. My neighborhood is already a dumping ground for stray cats and frankly I am tired of paying the money that I am each month to help feed these poor animals. (But I can't sit back and watch them die).
Also, I feel that the best thing that ever happened with Pacific Cove was to cut ties with Mr. Fletcher. I now donate to this cause when I refused to before when he was their employee.
Also, I feel that the best thing that ever happened with Pacific Cove was to cut ties with Mr. Fletcher. I now donate to this cause when I refused to before when he was their employee.
Kaye wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:08 PM:
another question:
how come, especially this group has all the support of the city hall??? so, far, for at least 12 years, as far as I recall, they have done absolutely NOTHING for the animals. In the meantime, there are other groups who tirelessly have helped countless suffering animals in this county. Where is the official support for them, I must ask???
how come, especially this group has all the support of the city hall??? so, far, for at least 12 years, as far as I recall, they have done absolutely NOTHING for the animals. In the meantime, there are other groups who tirelessly have helped countless suffering animals in this county. Where is the official support for them, I must ask???
Bob wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:14 PM:
Tobias
This really isn't about altruism or selfishness. The point is this property is zoned residential. An animal shelter belongs in a commercial zone at least. I love animals but this group should find the proper piece of property to place it on.
To Mary Sue
We already pay county taxes for one shelter why is it incumbant upon those in that neighborhood to find this group another place.
This really isn't about altruism or selfishness. The point is this property is zoned residential. An animal shelter belongs in a commercial zone at least. I love animals but this group should find the proper piece of property to place it on.
To Mary Sue
We already pay county taxes for one shelter why is it incumbant upon those in that neighborhood to find this group another place.
Tobias wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:40 AM:
The reality is that I do own a home nearby which I have worked very hard for too--yet I am more than willing to have the shelter near here and easily accessible to the proposed dog park. My attitude is called altruism towards the disadvantaged animals at no fault of their own and I only wish more of my shortsighted neighbors could look past themselves by trying to delay the project by dumping it on someone and somewhere else in the county.
The truth is that Coos County has been in need of a new shelter for a very long time and I truly believe the noise can be mitigated by a properly designed building.
In terms of increased traffic, this excuse is nothing more than a selfish cop-out. Think about when there were only a few houses out here and people wanted to build more homes--well none of you would be living in this area if the original sparse residents thought as you have exhibited.
If we could only rid this neighborhood of self-interested people it would be a closer knit community and simply a better place to live.
The truth is that Coos County has been in need of a new shelter for a very long time and I truly believe the noise can be mitigated by a properly designed building.
In terms of increased traffic, this excuse is nothing more than a selfish cop-out. Think about when there were only a few houses out here and people wanted to build more homes--well none of you would be living in this area if the original sparse residents thought as you have exhibited.
If we could only rid this neighborhood of self-interested people it would be a closer knit community and simply a better place to live.
TOM wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:37 AM:
If all these people want a animal shelter/doggie park somewhere and they think is is so important to have, why don't they put it in their OWN backyard and leave the rest of the public alone.
Fletcher wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:02 PM:
Kaye- You have it right but dont know the whole picture. I was the Project Manager for PCHS at the end of 2006 and October 1st of that year my wife and I were in a horrific car crash just prior to our major fall fundraising events. The reason for the decline was I simply wasn't able to manage the seasonal fundraising we expected because of injuries and appointments. I was let go at years end and agreed with the board's decision on a financial basis. Nothing funny going on, just unfortunate circumstances and a response coming straight from the source. YES, They deserve support!
Rain runoff wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:02 AM:
Why put a dog park close to a lake?
Morrison Street wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:43 AM:
I agree with you TOBIAS, let's propose "YOUR" neighborhood for this project!!!!
Not a good idea wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:59 PM:
Although they intend to use a "noise-quenching design," there is absolutely no way neighbors in this area will not be bothered by barking/howling dogs 24/7, "quenched" or not. Unless they can guarantee absolute quiet, which obviously they can't, then this sounds like a very bad location.
When countless neighbors begin complaining about noise from this shelter, who will they call at 2a.m.? The police of course, who won't be able to fix the problem, but will be expected to.
Although the current shelter is not a "noise-quenching design," drive out to it some day and hear the incessant barking. Even if you cut the noise level 90%, it would drive you to drink.
When countless neighbors begin complaining about noise from this shelter, who will they call at 2a.m.? The police of course, who won't be able to fix the problem, but will be expected to.
Although the current shelter is not a "noise-quenching design," drive out to it some day and hear the incessant barking. Even if you cut the noise level 90%, it would drive you to drink.
Kaye wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:51 PM:
as of their financial report of 2006, the Pacific Cove HS has $ 142,514.
2005 it was $ 152,191
2004, they lost more than 20,000.
So far, they're spending more money than they take in through kind donations.
I just wonder how they want to afford building an animal shelter, especially the luxury version they are advertising when inquired about it....
2005 it was $ 152,191
2004, they lost more than 20,000.
So far, they're spending more money than they take in through kind donations.
I just wonder how they want to afford building an animal shelter, especially the luxury version they are advertising when inquired about it....
bob wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:35 PM:
Tobias, what is so selfish about not wanting to have an animal shelter placed in a residentially zoned area. You don't believe it will add noise, smell and traffic? As well as people dumping strays, which there are already plenty everywhere. Try to look at it from another perspective...why should a whole neighborhood have to succumb to a small group who wants to spend more money on the building than they do the animals. Maybe they could actually buy some property. There is plenty for sale and the city probably has more surplus property elsewhere. It isn't a matter of being malconted. You must not own a home that you have worked hard for.
Mary Sue wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:33 PM:
The members of the neighborhood objecting seem to be in favor of a facility just not in their neighborhood. All would benefit by helping in the search for the right place.
Nick wrote on Aug 20, 2008 6:54 PM:
Tobias, that's a nice summary of the attitude of many local citizens regarding a variety of issues... they only care about themselves, and will use silly arguments in any attempt to get their own way.
Seriously, I don't understand this. INDOOR kennels (with additional noise protection) won't be an issue. This isn't going to be a drug house operating 24 hours a day, so people wouldn't need to worry about vehicles making noise at midnight (anymore than normal, that is). SMELL?! This would be a modern animal shelter facility, not a bovine farm.
As for the dog park, I'm sorry to tell these people, but the dog park wouldn't be a 24-hour operation. When living in a city, you must expect that there can be a reasonable amount of noise during daylight hours. Oh, and dog parks typically don't smell, especially if maintained. I'm not even a dog person, and I know these things.
Citizens in this area would rather preach ignorance and "NIMBY" silliness, than try to make the community a better place. Makes me sad, and sick.
Seriously, I don't understand this. INDOOR kennels (with additional noise protection) won't be an issue. This isn't going to be a drug house operating 24 hours a day, so people wouldn't need to worry about vehicles making noise at midnight (anymore than normal, that is). SMELL?! This would be a modern animal shelter facility, not a bovine farm.
As for the dog park, I'm sorry to tell these people, but the dog park wouldn't be a 24-hour operation. When living in a city, you must expect that there can be a reasonable amount of noise during daylight hours. Oh, and dog parks typically don't smell, especially if maintained. I'm not even a dog person, and I know these things.
Citizens in this area would rather preach ignorance and "NIMBY" silliness, than try to make the community a better place. Makes me sad, and sick.
Tony wrote on Aug 20, 2008 6:27 PM:
Tobias...
Welcome to Coos Bay, where the elderly and entrenched will fight any type of change tooth and nail.
Just look at the skate park issue.
Welcome to Coos Bay, where the elderly and entrenched will fight any type of change tooth and nail.
Just look at the skate park issue.
Tobias wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:40 PM:
I find it very sad that a few people who are only selfishly thinking of themselves might sideline a worthy and necessary project that would benefit the county as a whole and the animals which live here too!
I hope the city council looks at the bigger picture of doing the right thing by all of us and our animals rather than succumb to a few malcontents.
I hope the city council looks at the bigger picture of doing the right thing by all of us and our animals rather than succumb to a few malcontents.
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