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everyman wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:27 PM:
What gives?
Return of the Middle Man wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:04 AM:
Combined the projects if built would be worth around $3 billion dollars (thanks to the price of steel), the entire assessed value of the county is only $3.4 billion (Source: Oregon Blue Book), and if my math is right that is about an 88% increase in taxable value. Plus we get more gas in the state through a project we never could pay for ourselves (true it will be more expensive than gas is today but gasoline was less expensive three years ago than it is today, yes?). We do get the risk that something might happen (and you know it could, bad things do happen), that has to be considered and not lightly at that, but the odds are pretty low. It is a fossil fuel and will have a larger carbon footprint than some renewable sources, but T. Boone Pickens says its better than coal.
All of this paid for by California, so who is scamming who?
Another Middle Man wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:03 AM:
This whole notion of a “California LNG Scam” has intrigued me for some time. I checked and terminal would be built here in Coos County, I think we can agree on that. The terminal will have 60 jobs (sounds small but go count 60 houses and see how big a neighborhood that would be or better yet write down a list of 60 friends, I couldn’t get that many) plus another 60 working in the support services (police, fire, longshoremen, pilots, tug operators). There will be vendors that sell things to the terminal like uniforms, insurance, gasoline and a great number of other things that every business uses. The terminal will pay a lot of taxes to the urban renewal agency, which can use the money to build infrastructure in Coos County. The pipeline will pay a lot of taxes to the Counties, which can be used to hire back a lot of deputies, keep parks open in Coos County (more to follow in Part 2).
Middle Man wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:04 PM:
Fortress Investments is a good American hedge fund, yes? I believe they are also run by a good Oregon State graduate. The fact that they are American is comforting to the people working at the mills I bet. At least it’s not some darn Canadian taking their job.
Edward wrote on Aug 25, 2008 7:23 PM:
everyman wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:58 AM:
If it's too expensive, let the market determine the viability of this plant.
If it's too dangerous, let the entities with better information than you or I determine the viability and allow or deny the permits needed to build this plant.
But you and your ilk should really stop telling people to ignore me...(starting to turn green)...
It's starting to make me (swelling up)...angry...and you won't like me when I'm angry...
EVERYMAN SMASH!!
Common Sense wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:59 AM:
LNG ship travel within 1/2 mile of populated areas at coast & bay & LNG ship has a 2 mile hazard burn zone, which mean 1 1/2 miles of populated areas will be at risk every time a LNG ship arrives to deliver LNG at Jordon Cove? Then you add bigger LNG ships & the 2 mile hazard burn zone increases effecting more residents of this area!
Answer:
Great deal for foreign investor Bob Braddock ($$$) & California gettin the gas! Bad deal (Possible deadly deal) for Oregon on this expensive (2X more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon residents) that Oregon's Dept of Energy says is not needed in Oregon!
P.S. Ignore everyman, he talks alot, but has NOTTA (NO facts) to offer to any discussion...child like only (Lookin for attention).....
everyman wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:17 AM:
I AM growing tired of the "us vs them" mentality of the extremists (on BOTH sides of the issue) and wish we could communicate on more of a "lets reason together" field rather than a "LNG SCAM, NO JOBS, BOB BRADDOCK IS THE DEVIL" field...
I mean, can't we all just stand, hold hands, and sing "We are the world"...
I am the Walrus
Kumbaya
Everyman
Common Cents wrote on Aug 24, 2008 7:55 PM:
Thanks, Everyman for being a "CIS warrior" your witty response is delightful.
We Should Take Notice of Freeport LNG wrote on Aug 23, 2008 10:43 PM:
That's why Freeport, which is owned by a consortium including ConocoPhillips, Dow Chemical and others, has asked the Department of Energy to grant it a permit to export up to 24 billion cubic feet of foreign-supplied LNG over the next two years, according to public filings.
The company isn't looking to export domestically produced natural gas. Rather, it wants to store foreign LNG shipments and then reload them back on tankers for delivery to other countries, including the United Kingdom, Belgium, Spain, Japan, South Korea, India, China, Taiwan, France and Italy.
See: "Freeport venture seeks to re-export LNG" http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5956709.html
This entire LNG terminal and pipeline is a very bad idea. It's already not working in Freeport...we should take notice.
Middle Man wrote on Aug 23, 2008 7:53 PM:
gene wrote on Aug 23, 2008 7:07 PM:
OH REALLY! I would say the worst risk would be death. Clearly written by an industry shill.
wrote on Aug 23, 2008 5:06 PM:
Just Say No wrote on Aug 23, 2008 2:45 PM:
Gene wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:55 PM:
Oh yeah, the Saturday edition comes on line very early and gets updated all morning.
Thomas wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:41 PM:
everyman wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:12 PM:
Im just a regular guy, with a regular job...and a pro-lng stance...Hard to believe, I know, but we are out here...and we exist in larger numbers than you think...
PS - I don't lie and am not a huckster, although I have nothing to do with LNG
ronop wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:42 AM:
Thomas wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:15 PM:
BTW, your being able to make an early solo posting here just about clnches that you must be a World employee, albeit you write like Koos News' Tom Hanson ......... could be both?




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