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Bob braddock says no local jobs for lng at Jordan cove wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:54 AM:
What part of NO local jobs for this Lng project at Jordan Cove don't you understand everyman? This is according to Bob Braddock himself, stop trying to "con" people that is project is good for this local area & Oregon itself PERIOD! I wonder if you were one of the MANY people that were going to be FORCED to sell their land so a Lng pipe could go through their property, if you would still have your nonsense point of view? Deal in facts, not on what Bob Braddock tells you what to say, you are very obvious on your pro Lng point of view that makes no sense!
everyman wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:39 PM:
Let me explain...
I am niether silly nor pathetic..
I said one of a slew of alternatives...that means one of many...I also said that this is not a silver bullet...but it is a viable, useable alternative
The Jobs I am talking about are not ones that our teens can walk into right now, but ones that they can strive for in the future...when existing employees retire, move away, etc...our kids need something that they can bring thier families back to, if they go get an education elsewhere...
And please stop calling me names...you are making me angry...and you won't like me when I'm angry...(EYES TURNING GREEN)
(cue the old "Incredible Hulk" music)
EVERYMAN SMASH!!
I am niether silly nor pathetic..
I said one of a slew of alternatives...that means one of many...I also said that this is not a silver bullet...but it is a viable, useable alternative
The Jobs I am talking about are not ones that our teens can walk into right now, but ones that they can strive for in the future...when existing employees retire, move away, etc...our kids need something that they can bring thier families back to, if they go get an education elsewhere...
And please stop calling me names...you are making me angry...and you won't like me when I'm angry...(EYES TURNING GREEN)
(cue the old "Incredible Hulk" music)
EVERYMAN SMASH!!
Everyman the issue is LNG at Jordan Cove was appealed due to Tsunami issue wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:06 PM:
Take your Bob Braddock point of view to another state, because people of Oregon know the facts on this useless Lng project at Jordan Cove! No jobs for locals, residents living within that 2 mile hazard zone every time an Lng ship arrives here, residents forced to sell their property just so California can get this gas, Lng gas is at least 2 times more expensive then gas used right now in Oregon, etc! Look up the word con & scam, because con belongs to your factless/pointless posts in here & scam applies to this Lng project at Jordan Cove! Find another state Bob, because Oregon doesn't need you!
Jane wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:48 AM:
Another nonsense post by everyman,
Thinking if this California LNG SCAM comes here, it creates our independence? Sorry, but that creates the opposite situation (dependence) on other countries outside of the USA. Especially since this is twice as expensive as the natural gas used today by Oregon citizens!
Stating you don't care if the jobs created by this SCAM are for outsiders (non local residents) or insiders (Local residents), but hoping the teens of this area will benefit from this, when all the jobs will be filled by outside of the area people picked by Bob Braddock? ZERO jobs for this area means ZERO jobs for everyone in Oregon (Including teens)!
Thinking your little nonsense posts are in fun, keeping things light, when the majority of Oregon doesn't want or need this accident waiting to happen garbage, some people will actually be forced to sell their land also, think again! You must be a used car salesman on the weekends & hoping to cash in on this SCAM at Jordon Cove some how, on why you post so much nonsense in here!
Thinking if this California LNG SCAM comes here, it creates our independence? Sorry, but that creates the opposite situation (dependence) on other countries outside of the USA. Especially since this is twice as expensive as the natural gas used today by Oregon citizens!
Stating you don't care if the jobs created by this SCAM are for outsiders (non local residents) or insiders (Local residents), but hoping the teens of this area will benefit from this, when all the jobs will be filled by outside of the area people picked by Bob Braddock? ZERO jobs for this area means ZERO jobs for everyone in Oregon (Including teens)!
Thinking your little nonsense posts are in fun, keeping things light, when the majority of Oregon doesn't want or need this accident waiting to happen garbage, some people will actually be forced to sell their land also, think again! You must be a used car salesman on the weekends & hoping to cash in on this SCAM at Jordon Cove some how, on why you post so much nonsense in here!
Common Sense wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:34 PM:
How silly everyman,
Your Quote: "This is one of a slew of alternative resources at our disposal to use in becoming energy-independant"
How is importing the expensive LNG (2X more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon citizens) creating any kind of independence for future USA energy needs?
Answer: NONE (Creates more dependence on outside sources)
How is having this California LNG SCAM helping Oregon when all the jobs will be given to outsiders & NOT Oregon residents? How is this helping "create jobs here that our teens can strive for down the road instead of moving away and never looking back"?
Answer: It's NOT (No jobs for our teens)
How fair is it that Oregon resident will be FORCED to give up their land to this ZERO job producer just so a 36 inch pipe can go thru it on it's 230 mile way to California?
Answer: Totally unfair & a form of dictatorship!
Oregon's Dept of Energy says NO & majority of Oregon's residents says NO to this SCAM, thus nothin funny about this situation to "lighten up about" as you would pathetically say...
Your Quote: "This is one of a slew of alternative resources at our disposal to use in becoming energy-independant"
How is importing the expensive LNG (2X more expensive then natural gas used today by Oregon citizens) creating any kind of independence for future USA energy needs?
Answer: NONE (Creates more dependence on outside sources)
How is having this California LNG SCAM helping Oregon when all the jobs will be given to outsiders & NOT Oregon residents? How is this helping "create jobs here that our teens can strive for down the road instead of moving away and never looking back"?
Answer: It's NOT (No jobs for our teens)
How fair is it that Oregon resident will be FORCED to give up their land to this ZERO job producer just so a 36 inch pipe can go thru it on it's 230 mile way to California?
Answer: Totally unfair & a form of dictatorship!
Oregon's Dept of Energy says NO & majority of Oregon's residents says NO to this SCAM, thus nothin funny about this situation to "lighten up about" as you would pathetically say...
everyman wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:54 AM:
Everywoman, I was referring to only one post-er (Jane) when I made the comment you are referring to...please pardon the offense.
I am having some fun with the posts because I think a little brevity MAY help lighten things up...
But my opinions are thus; yes there is risk with this proposed plant, but it is managable...and can be addressed by level heads that assess this kind of risk as a profession, not by "laymen", so to speak, like you or me.
As for the expense/need of LNG; let the market decide. I could care less where it is shipped, as long as it is handled with some TLC, ship it to the moon, for all I care...
This is one of a slew of alternative resources at our disposal to use in becoming energy-independant. It is NOT a silver bullet that will fix our energy woes...
And finally, the jobs; outsiders, insiders, I don't care, just get them here and employ them...and while we're at it, create jobs here that our teens can strive for down the road instead of moving away and never looking back.
Love, Everyman
I am having some fun with the posts because I think a little brevity MAY help lighten things up...
But my opinions are thus; yes there is risk with this proposed plant, but it is managable...and can be addressed by level heads that assess this kind of risk as a profession, not by "laymen", so to speak, like you or me.
As for the expense/need of LNG; let the market decide. I could care less where it is shipped, as long as it is handled with some TLC, ship it to the moon, for all I care...
This is one of a slew of alternative resources at our disposal to use in becoming energy-independant. It is NOT a silver bullet that will fix our energy woes...
And finally, the jobs; outsiders, insiders, I don't care, just get them here and employ them...and while we're at it, create jobs here that our teens can strive for down the road instead of moving away and never looking back.
Love, Everyman
Dave wrote on Aug 18, 2008 7:57 AM:
I agree with you Jane 100%, those other people are very pathetic & child like (looking for attention). They come across as some 7th grader just learning how to discuss something intelligently, but haven't figured it out yet. I guess if I couldn't support my opinion with facts, maybe I would be desperate enough to con people with 1/2 truths & cutesy childish things like changing the subject, if I was going to profit or make money off this useless Lng at Jordan Cove. Keep up the good work, because you & the many that have the facts on this useless Lng are doing the majority of Oregon citizens a great service by getting the necessary info out there to them!
everywoman wrote on Aug 16, 2008 11:34 AM:
Let me try this again since my first post didn't get on here! To Everyman, on the posts that you put on here you seem fearless, but yet you don't find it "safe" to use your real name for "obvious" reasons. Why is that? Are you afraid that harmful remarks will come back to you? Just as we are afraid that LNG's harmful effects will come back at us? You sit there at your computer day in and day out and make fun at everyones expense that doesn't agree with you! Our feelings ARE real. We take our families and homes seriously and their safty is number one in our lives and you sit back and joke about it over and over again the same nonsense. And then the last straw you refer to us as being like "hitler"! what is up with that? You have chosen your screen name as "Everyman" I am sorry but EVERYMAN I have ever known would never speak as you do.
Jane wrote on Aug 16, 2008 8:46 AM:
What do you get when you have NO facts supporting your arguments in a discussion, when all you can do is name call, change the subject, looking for attention like a child does or some how making money off of this California LNG SCAM?
Answer is:
Posts created by Everyman, Edward, Moonpenny, Joesixpack!
Answer is:
Posts created by Everyman, Edward, Moonpenny, Joesixpack!
moonpenny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:37 PM:
Earthquakes, Tsunami's, Terrorist attackes *giggle on that one*.
I have never seen so many paranoid people in my life. How on earth do you survive a typical day when life already holds surprises? I feel pity for you, to think that something such as a fuel line is the end of the world.
I have never seen so many paranoid people in my life. How on earth do you survive a typical day when life already holds surprises? I feel pity for you, to think that something such as a fuel line is the end of the world.
moonpenny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:27 PM:
Gene:
Yes I am a homeowner and a business owner. I do pay my taxes and I am registered to vote and I will have MY opinion heard. If YOU dont like it than you go retire somewhere else. Unless you can convince the tree huggers to reverse the logging restrictions, suck it up. This area is going to grow whether you like it or not.
Yes I am a homeowner and a business owner. I do pay my taxes and I am registered to vote and I will have MY opinion heard. If YOU dont like it than you go retire somewhere else. Unless you can convince the tree huggers to reverse the logging restrictions, suck it up. This area is going to grow whether you like it or not.
gene wrote on Aug 15, 2008 5:52 PM:
Hey Robert, you ever heard the term comparing apples to oranges. Jeez the scale is not even close. Everyman should just shutup since he has nothing constructive to say.
ROBERT wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:44 PM:
DO YOU REALIZE THAT WHEN WE ARE DRIVING OUR CARS OR TRUCKS THEY ARE A MOVING BOMB THAT IS WAY MORE VOLATILE THAN LNG. AND THEIR IS A HIGHER CHANCE OF CRASHING AND EXPLODING THAN AN LNG EXPLOSION. EVERY TIME I GET MY PROPANE FILLED AT THE COMPRESSED FILLING STATION I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT .
everyman wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:29 PM:
What's the difference between Jane, Gene, John, Thomas...and a Liquified Natural Gas tanker?
Give up?
A LNG tanker will LEAVE the bay area when it empties it's gas...
Give up?
A LNG tanker will LEAVE the bay area when it empties it's gas...
Thomas wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:14 AM:
"your arguments are WEAK"---EVERYMAN
OK, then why has no one, especially the Jordan Cove people, addressed the blatantly obvious and clearly unpreventable threat from a terrorist attack on an LNG ship as it slowly passes within the blast zone range of many local resident's homes or jobs, or just people unlucky to be at the wrong spot when it happens?
If LNG does come here, and America continues to be a terrorist target, then the probability of such an event is far from negligible. Please tell us why making everyone here unnecessarily face that risk is not sociopathy?
OK, then why has no one, especially the Jordan Cove people, addressed the blatantly obvious and clearly unpreventable threat from a terrorist attack on an LNG ship as it slowly passes within the blast zone range of many local resident's homes or jobs, or just people unlucky to be at the wrong spot when it happens?
If LNG does come here, and America continues to be a terrorist target, then the probability of such an event is far from negligible. Please tell us why making everyone here unnecessarily face that risk is not sociopathy?
Port Commissioners county rest of state leaders selling out wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:52 AM:
Selling out is a good word on ignoring any issue with this Lng project (Tsunami hazard zone DLCD requirements, air pollution, Oregon citizens forced to sell their land, etc.), just so an outsider can become richer & so California can get this expensive gas!
Citizen wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:51 PM:
More than likely what will happen is one of these idiot drivers moving about 10 mph will crash into the terminal and kill us all.
gene wrote on Aug 14, 2008 8:27 PM:
Who's to blame for this LNG project getting this far?
The answer is all of us. Its true we get the government we deserve. Or as a friend of mine used to say (we have the best politicians money can buy). There is not one elected official representing us that openly opposes this LNG project. Which means they are privately for it . That should tell us who our government represents. The politicians I contacted were quick to wash their hands and represent that they have not formed an opinion on LNG, don't have the power to stop the process or they don't respond at all. That's crap and we know it. They were informed of its existence long before the general public was told. If they truly are not knowledgeable in the dangers of LNG then they aren't smart enough to have their job or they are too corrupt and should be replaced.
The answer is all of us. Its true we get the government we deserve. Or as a friend of mine used to say (we have the best politicians money can buy). There is not one elected official representing us that openly opposes this LNG project. Which means they are privately for it . That should tell us who our government represents. The politicians I contacted were quick to wash their hands and represent that they have not formed an opinion on LNG, don't have the power to stop the process or they don't respond at all. That's crap and we know it. They were informed of its existence long before the general public was told. If they truly are not knowledgeable in the dangers of LNG then they aren't smart enough to have their job or they are too corrupt and should be replaced.
Everyman wrote on Aug 14, 2008 3:17 PM:
I don't use my real name for safety reasons. C'mon...I really hope EVERYONE on here uses an alias...it's just not safe anymore, i just wish we would all pick one and only use that one...but, liars will be liars, and there isn't a way identify if someone is using another persons chosen screen name.
John; I have a great job, in an industry totally unrelated to politcs, LNG, railroads, etc...no matter what people claim regarding me...
Jane (heavy sigh)...How many times do I have to tell you...I don't know Bob Braddock...I am not a FAN, as you put it...and it only takes me a few minutes a day to post on here...
Want facts? Here's some...your arguments are WEAK, you must stand to profit from keeping LNG away from here, and I bet you, like Hiltler, believe that all AUSLANDERS should RAUS (outlanders get out), since you dislike foriegners and californians so much...
John; I have a great job, in an industry totally unrelated to politcs, LNG, railroads, etc...no matter what people claim regarding me...
Jane (heavy sigh)...How many times do I have to tell you...I don't know Bob Braddock...I am not a FAN, as you put it...and it only takes me a few minutes a day to post on here...
Want facts? Here's some...your arguments are WEAK, you must stand to profit from keeping LNG away from here, and I bet you, like Hiltler, believe that all AUSLANDERS should RAUS (outlanders get out), since you dislike foriegners and californians so much...
Selling Out wrote on Aug 14, 2008 8:01 AM:
THOMAS wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:53 AM:
"You WILL move away to avoid all this danger, right?" EVERYMAN
Right ........ and also to avoid how LNG will degrade and depress Coos county.
The upcoming national depression will probably delay or stop this sociopathic nonsense, but if it does come here anyway, then the best advice for sane residents who can move is to sell before property prices start dropping and it gets harder to sell.
FYI - Some buyers are holding off making offers until they know if the area will have air service to the north.
"You WILL move away to avoid all this danger, right?" EVERYMAN
Right ........ and also to avoid how LNG will degrade and depress Coos county.
The upcoming national depression will probably delay or stop this sociopathic nonsense, but if it does come here anyway, then the best advice for sane residents who can move is to sell before property prices start dropping and it gets harder to sell.
FYI - Some buyers are holding off making offers until they know if the area will have air service to the north.
John wrote on Aug 14, 2008 7:44 AM:
Hey Everyman how are your shoes? Do you have good enough shoes to walk around the LNG plant as their new night watchman? Obviously you're hot for that position.
But I don't think you are observant enough to even be a watchman. By the way, why dont YOU use your real name?
But I don't think you are observant enough to even be a watchman. By the way, why dont YOU use your real name?
gene wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:50 AM:
EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI, that's the number one threat to the tanks and the pipeline. Its not if it will happen, its when. Just watch the video on the December 2004 tsunami. Everything in the water will become a torpedo and the land will be wiped clean at water level. Where will those tanks be after the debris hits them, if those tanks even survive the earth quake. What will happen to one of those ships if its in the bay when the tsunami hits. We know that no government agency can stop a terrorist attack if they want to do it. So that should be enough reason to let common sense prevail and stop the insane notion of putting this boondoggle here. Remember we don't have this threat now why invite it. And no I'm not trying to scare anyone. There's enough scientific evidence to prove to just about everyone that its just a matter of time. We that live here know it and will accept the challenges of survival after the quake and tsunami, but your chances of survival are going to be reduced if your anywhere near an LNG catastrophe.
Edward wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:35 PM:
I love how one of the anti-LNG clowns comes up with a term or idea (let's take DLCD), then every one of the CAVE people runs with it like its gospel. I guess throwing enough crap at the wall, eventually something will stick...or maybe you'll just end up with crap on your hands. At least then we would recognize all the anti-LNG posters in town (and smell them)
Jane wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:54 PM:
Sorry everyman, but I post only under my name! Can't help it that you & the few Bob Braddock fans have little to say in support of this California LNG SCAM! Actually I find it pretty amusing that you spend so much of your time in here posting so much for an obviously useless & not needed piece of garbage like this is, but I guess if I was going to make some money off of this, maybe I would too? You & the others try something NEW in here, talk about the articles issue with facts, if you can find some facts supporting your pro LNG position!
everyman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 4:31 PM:
Jane, why do you post under so many diffent names?
Thomas wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:53 AM:
"You WILL move away to avoid all this danger, right?" EVERYMAN
Right ........ and also to avoid how LNG will degrade and depress Coos county.
The upcoming national depression will probably delay or stop this sociopathic nonsense, but if it does come here anyway, then the best advice for sane residents who can move is to sell before property prices start dropping and it gets harder to sell.
Right ........ and also to avoid how LNG will degrade and depress Coos county.
The upcoming national depression will probably delay or stop this sociopathic nonsense, but if it does come here anyway, then the best advice for sane residents who can move is to sell before property prices start dropping and it gets harder to sell.
Its Beautiful here wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:13 AM:
To WithYouEveryman
We all have to share this planet so I am from the same one you are on. And I have been here a long time. I realize that there is a"Good Ole Boys" system here, isn't there everywhere? Actually those GOB's seem to be the ones wanting these businesses here. Fear isn't the reason there are no industries here. It's because we don't have a straight route to I5 and it has been and always will be that way until we get one. We can also thank the environmental groups for shutting down the timber industry. There was more business here in the 40's than there is now. And fishermen made good money too. Tell me about kids leaving because there is nothing here...you are preaching to the choir. But listening to the same old arguments back and forth is not going to solve anything and neither is the LNG facility. I don't have the answer but you can't just blame the GOB's forever...well you can but what does that solve?
We all have to share this planet so I am from the same one you are on. And I have been here a long time. I realize that there is a"Good Ole Boys" system here, isn't there everywhere? Actually those GOB's seem to be the ones wanting these businesses here. Fear isn't the reason there are no industries here. It's because we don't have a straight route to I5 and it has been and always will be that way until we get one. We can also thank the environmental groups for shutting down the timber industry. There was more business here in the 40's than there is now. And fishermen made good money too. Tell me about kids leaving because there is nothing here...you are preaching to the choir. But listening to the same old arguments back and forth is not going to solve anything and neither is the LNG facility. I don't have the answer but you can't just blame the GOB's forever...well you can but what does that solve?
Oldest ploy in the world in any failed argument wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:15 AM:
Change the subject, 1/2 truths, etc, examples here:
Everyman: asking if people would move or not IF Lng would come here?
Others: 9.0 would ruin this area anyways, I haven't seen a 100 ft Tsunami lately, Lng will produce jobs, Lng is safe, etc.
Reality is: Lng was ignored by county & LUBA on Tsunami zone issue vs DLCD requirements. Lng will produce about 40 - 50 full time jobs that NO local resident will qualify for due to educational & experience requirements!
Everyman: asking if people would move or not IF Lng would come here?
Others: 9.0 would ruin this area anyways, I haven't seen a 100 ft Tsunami lately, Lng will produce jobs, Lng is safe, etc.
Reality is: Lng was ignored by county & LUBA on Tsunami zone issue vs DLCD requirements. Lng will produce about 40 - 50 full time jobs that NO local resident will qualify for due to educational & experience requirements!
everyman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:03 AM:
Dear show me the money
I (snif, snif) am so sorry. Me so sad dat nobody buy you land. (big sad face)
So you you want me to bail you out, huh...so it isn't really about fearing for your lives...it's about property values...and you want ME to bail YOU out...if that don't beat all...
I (snif, snif) am so sorry. Me so sad dat nobody buy you land. (big sad face)
So you you want me to bail you out, huh...so it isn't really about fearing for your lives...it's about property values...and you want ME to bail YOU out...if that don't beat all...
Show Me The Money wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:17 PM:
EVERYMAN wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:24 AM:
So...IF, and granted, thats a big if right now...the Jordan Cove thing gets approved and all and starts construction...do you believe that the danger is real enough to make you move away? I mean, since it's going to ruin the area, and potentially kill hundreds, if not thousands...you don't want to live in that kind of fear, do you? You WILL move away to avoid all this danger, right?
Right after YOU buy my house and property! You must have the bucks to compensate the people who want to move to spare their lives but, can't because no one else will buy their property. Come on, how much do you want your LNG? If it is so great you should be willing to buy at least one person out. After all you're going to make all that money working over there at the LNG facility. Right?
So...IF, and granted, thats a big if right now...the Jordan Cove thing gets approved and all and starts construction...do you believe that the danger is real enough to make you move away? I mean, since it's going to ruin the area, and potentially kill hundreds, if not thousands...you don't want to live in that kind of fear, do you? You WILL move away to avoid all this danger, right?
Right after YOU buy my house and property! You must have the bucks to compensate the people who want to move to spare their lives but, can't because no one else will buy their property. Come on, how much do you want your LNG? If it is so great you should be willing to buy at least one person out. After all you're going to make all that money working over there at the LNG facility. Right?
North Bay wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:39 PM:
What if an errant golf ball from Bandon Dunes hits the LNG terminal and sets off a chain reaction that starts North Bend on fire, then Coos Bay catchs, and the fire races all the way down the state and through California, then it burns a hole through the center of the earth and catches Asia on fire, and then the earth is heated and the glaciers melt and we have water everywhere but it is so hot that it all turns to steam and we all have to run around in towels like we are at the sauna?
Sheesh, now that's something to consider.
(putting my aluminum beanie on pronto)
Sheesh, now that's something to consider.
(putting my aluminum beanie on pronto)
North Bay wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:32 PM:
Oh yes, those highly frequent tsunamis that wipe us out every year...errr, every decade, errr, every century, errrr....
What a sad, last ditch, obviously desperate and certainly LAUGHABLE tactic: the false 'safety card'.
BRING LNG HERE, give us some real career opportunities, improve public safety and tax base, and the ancillary benefits of increased spending (hotel, travel, food, clothing, services, etc) this will obviously bring to the area regardless which side of the aisle you're on.
What a sad, last ditch, obviously desperate and certainly LAUGHABLE tactic: the false 'safety card'.
BRING LNG HERE, give us some real career opportunities, improve public safety and tax base, and the ancillary benefits of increased spending (hotel, travel, food, clothing, services, etc) this will obviously bring to the area regardless which side of the aisle you're on.
Refresh my memory wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:19 PM:
So when was the last time this area got hit with a 100 foot tsunami? Don't remember one recently...
WithYouEveryman wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:11 PM:
To its Beautiful here-What County (or planet, do live in/on?).
The "Good Ole Boys" running Coos Cnty have and will oppose any business' wanting to relocate here...they fear progress in any form. There is no "industry" here because of ignorance and fear. Our young people have no future here...it's only a town to go and die in right now....hopefully with LNG and others the area can be revived.
The "Good Ole Boys" running Coos Cnty have and will oppose any business' wanting to relocate here...they fear progress in any form. There is no "industry" here because of ignorance and fear. Our young people have no future here...it's only a town to go and die in right now....hopefully with LNG and others the area can be revived.
Sorry Everyman but the issue is tsunami zone LNG safety requirements wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:38 AM:
This is about an Lng structure (Having Hazardous material) being ignored engineering wise by the county & LUBA for placement in a Tsunami hazard zone in Oregon! This about how safe would this Lng structure be without making sure it is placed/installed correctly to meet DLCD requirements or anyone other engineering requirements to insure this is safe for this area or NOT? Who'll live or move away is unimportant, because people move all the time from place to place! Sounds like you are just trying to avoid this issue/situation by changing the subject, basically the oldest ploy in the book when arguing a losing battle!
Its Beautiful here wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:28 AM:
Instead of complaining that nobody wants any kind of business here...think about the types of businesses that have been suggested. Whats wrong with finding something that isn't dangerous or polluting? I am talking about those who are actively looking for businesses to recruit.
everyman wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:24 AM:
So...IF, and granted, thats a big if right now...the Jordan Cove thing gets approved and all and starts construction...do you believe that the danger is real enough to make you move away? I mean, since it's going to ruin the area, and potentially kill hundreds, if not thousands...you don't want to live in that kind of fear, do you? You WILL move away to avoid all this danger, right?
Pro Lng supporters are getting pretty desperate in here wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:54 AM:
WOW, can't believe anyone would argue for something (Hazardous material) being built in a Tsunami zone without properly insuring it's installation meets DLCD requirements or any other engineering requirements to withstand a 9.0 earthquake/Tsunami situation here? That's why building anything anywhere has permits, building requirements, etc. to insure it's safe installation so it will insure the people around it to be safe as well! Pathetic talk in here against insuring this potentially exposive structure is installed correctly in a Tsunami hazard zone! Obviously these pro Lng posters are going to make money off of this, because they make no sense what so ever!
Common Sense wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:41 AM:
How silly these fools are, arguing for this California LNG SCAM to be placed in a Tsunami zone without being properly installed correctly to meet those DLCD requirements! Kinda like the post said earlier...
Quote: "Would anyone ignore proper installation of electrical, gas at their own house let alone ignore this Lng structure at Jordan Cove in a Tsunami zone?"
I can see Bob's boys are gettin pretty desperate in here by sayin it's ok to blindly put this California LNG SCAM in a Tsunami hazard zone, just so some foreign investor can get RICHER & so California can get the gas! Such a DEAL for Oregon...
Quote: "Would anyone ignore proper installation of electrical, gas at their own house let alone ignore this Lng structure at Jordan Cove in a Tsunami zone?"
I can see Bob's boys are gettin pretty desperate in here by sayin it's ok to blindly put this California LNG SCAM in a Tsunami hazard zone, just so some foreign investor can get RICHER & so California can get the gas! Such a DEAL for Oregon...
Are you kidding me wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:11 AM:
Tsunami zone? If anyone builds anything in Coos Bay or North Bend it will be in a Tsunami zone. Why do you think the town was first called Marshfield? Because it was built on the mud flats of the bay. And the earthquake zone? Sorry, the world is one big earthquake zone!
I am not saying LNG is the way to go but it is at least something. If you are going to gripe about why LNG sould not move in then give a real reason.
The next things you'll start to hear is, you know lightning might strike the tank when they are unloading the ship then what??? One of the people on the ship may be wearing corduroy pants that can build up a static charge and KABOOM! UFO's my show up and point there death ray at it and well you know what happens then! Give a valid reason and I will listen, until then, stop being so dooms day about what "IS" going to happen.
I am not saying LNG is the way to go but it is at least something. If you are going to gripe about why LNG sould not move in then give a real reason.
The next things you'll start to hear is, you know lightning might strike the tank when they are unloading the ship then what??? One of the people on the ship may be wearing corduroy pants that can build up a static charge and KABOOM! UFO's my show up and point there death ray at it and well you know what happens then! Give a valid reason and I will listen, until then, stop being so dooms day about what "IS" going to happen.
ROBERT wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:18 PM:
I LIVE WITHIN A MILE OF THE COVE SITE,AND I KNOW OF THE RISKS AND BENEFITS OF LNG.. THERE ARE DANGERS IN WALKING , DRIVING AND DAILY LIVING. I DON,T WANT TO HAVE TO DRIVE 50-100 MILES FOR A DECENT WAGE JOB LIKE THE BIGGEST ANTI LNG OPPONANT,S HUSBAND HAS TO!! WITH SOME NEW TYPE OF NEW WAGES IN OUR AREA IT HELPS ALL BUSINESS, WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD AND IMPROVE THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND STOP HINDERING IT!!
everyman wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:38 PM:
I hate to be the one to point this out...really, I do.
The concern here is a tsunami...now, I know that Jane/Common sense/Ronop, etc will yell "WEAK argument" and "LNG SCAM" and all...but...if we have a tsunami, I really think a problem at our local LNG facility will be the LEAST of our problems. Drive around CB/NB and tell me how many gas tanks, power lines, airports (goodbye, 10-million dollars) and other sources of risk exist, not to mention how many homes will be torn up or float away, none of which have been built with the codes and regs that a new lng facility will have.
And if a tsunami is such a huge and likely risk...why are we still here? Lets move somewhere safe, for crying out loud.
The concern here is a tsunami...now, I know that Jane/Common sense/Ronop, etc will yell "WEAK argument" and "LNG SCAM" and all...but...if we have a tsunami, I really think a problem at our local LNG facility will be the LEAST of our problems. Drive around CB/NB and tell me how many gas tanks, power lines, airports (goodbye, 10-million dollars) and other sources of risk exist, not to mention how many homes will be torn up or float away, none of which have been built with the codes and regs that a new lng facility will have.
And if a tsunami is such a huge and likely risk...why are we still here? Lets move somewhere safe, for crying out loud.
Thomas wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:06 PM:
By its nature, an LNG terminal here is incapable of creating sustainable economic growth for any type of industry ......... and more likely will only further depress our area.
How stupid are we to believe these promised "JOBS'' trumps all, or even are for real???
Coos Bay was only a viable port for exporting cheap resources, aka 3rd world, which regardless of hype has passed us ......... or for maybe now importing something that no sane community would!
Let's please build upon what we are, A GREAT PLACE, rather than on what these hucksters fill us full of, as if we were a primative post-WWII cargo cult in the South Seas.
How stupid are we to believe these promised "JOBS'' trumps all, or even are for real???
Coos Bay was only a viable port for exporting cheap resources, aka 3rd world, which regardless of hype has passed us ......... or for maybe now importing something that no sane community would!
Let's please build upon what we are, A GREAT PLACE, rather than on what these hucksters fill us full of, as if we were a primative post-WWII cargo cult in the South Seas.
Goal wrote on Aug 11, 2008 1:17 PM:
Oregon's Statewide Planning Goals and Guidelines: GOAL 7 Areas Subject to Natural Hazards - Effective June 1, 2002
Parts of Goal 7:
To protect people and property from natural hazards. Natual hazards for the purposes of this goal are:...earthquakes and related hazards, tsunamis, coastal erosion,...a. AVIODING DEVELOPMENT in hazard areas where the RISK TO PEOPLE AND PROPERTY cannot be mitigated; and, b PROHIBITING the siting of essential facilities major structures, HAZARDOUS FACILITIES ...B. Implementation 5.b. prohibiting the storage of hazardous materials in floodplains
Note: Essential facilities means you cannot build a school, fire dept, police dept, hospital or hazardous industry where they want to put this LNG terminal in Coos Bay. The JCEP is on the most vunerable spot for tsunamis.
Parts of Goal 7:
To protect people and property from natural hazards. Natual hazards for the purposes of this goal are:...earthquakes and related hazards, tsunamis, coastal erosion,...a. AVIODING DEVELOPMENT in hazard areas where the RISK TO PEOPLE AND PROPERTY cannot be mitigated; and, b PROHIBITING the siting of essential facilities major structures, HAZARDOUS FACILITIES ...B. Implementation 5.b. prohibiting the storage of hazardous materials in floodplains
Note: Essential facilities means you cannot build a school, fire dept, police dept, hospital or hazardous industry where they want to put this LNG terminal in Coos Bay. The JCEP is on the most vunerable spot for tsunamis.
OK Now wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:46 AM:
Am I the only one who keeps reading that if LNG comes in here, LOCAL PEOPLE will probably not be getting hired to do anything, it will be outsiders brought in to do MOST OF THE JOBS. So all of you people who think this is going to put local people to work, think again. We want to chance getting blown up, burned to death, annilated some way or another, for WHAT. So outsiders can come here to work ? ? ? ?
How pathetic this state is ignoring a Tsunami zone wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:47 AM:
Would anyone ignore proper installation of electrical, gas at their own house let alone ignore this Lng structure at Jordan Cove in a Tsunami zone? Shame on the county, LUBA & any other agency of Oregon ignoring something so potentially explosive as this Lng structure, because you are ignoring people's safety!
Hey Bob Braddock what you gonna do now wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:04 AM:
Cat's out of the bag, your plan had no "real" technical engineering plan in the 1st place to withstand a 9.0 Earthquake or up to a 100 foot Tsunami wave & that's why everyone ignored it (The county, LUBA appeal board)! Now every citizen of this state knows what's going on & watching every step forward to make sure this is safe engineering wise & not just because you say it is! Can you tell this Lng at Jordan Cove is totally unsafe by everyone ignoring it the 1st time around or wouldn't ole Bob Braddock have the necessary engineering plan to meet DLCD requirements & say to everyone "see this is safe"???
X Coos Bay Resident wrote on Aug 10, 2008 6:26 PM:
You can only keep Major Businesses out of Coos Bay/ North Bend for so long before , guess what there WILL NOT be any Living based jobs. Maby LNG is not the most safe sounding industary BUT guess what it is a start Think about it Portland isn't the only deep water port on the coast. But if YOU allow this to happen YOU are the only person to blame YOU allowed it
Danielle wrote on Aug 10, 2008 3:01 PM:
Please read about the 6.4 magnitude Kobe Japan earthquake where the worst hit areas were the docks. Lots of liquifaction. Piping and pipelines burst with resulatnt fires. And the earthquake expected here, at 9.1, will be almost 1,000 times greater. Hopefully when one of those two 42,000 gallon LNG tanks (there may be more when the LNG facility expands)topples, it will head toward the sea, not toward my North Bend home.
gene wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:55 PM:
Well everyman(not). I was trying to be a little kinder than just outright calling you a moron. in the words of bugs bunny a maroon is a little bit softer than a moron, and an ignoramus. which you must be to promote this insanity. Moonpenny are you a property owner paying taxes? Well I am . Maybe you should move away and take this LNG and Bob Braddock with you.
This LNG project is unsafe why it was ignored engineering wise at Jordan Cove wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:34 PM:
Who does Bob Braddock think he's fooling, this Lng struction had no detailed engineering blueprint presented to anyone, because there is none! That's why the county ignored DLCD wishes that urged counties to update their comprehensive plans to consider tsunamis in 2002, because the county (John Griffith) knew this project was doomed engineering wise to withstand a 9.0 Earthquake &/or up to a 100 foot Tsunami wave at Jordan Cove located in Oregon's Tsunami Hazard zone! Now you know why this appeal was created after the LUBA appeal, because the LUBA ignored it also! This struction/plan is totally unsafe & should be denied the necessary land permits by the state of Oregon due to that unsafe, unproven engineering plan that doesn't exist for this Tsunami Hazard zone at Jordan Cove!
Tsunamis hazard zone ignored by county LUBA wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:21 PM:
There was no detailed engineering plans presented to the county (John Griffith) & LUBA by Bob Braddock, because he knew it wouldn't pass DLCD requirements of a structure placed in that Tsunami hazard zone at Jordan Cove! Bob Braddock tried to back door this project because he had NO technical engineering plan to place this structure in sand at Jordan Cove to withstand a 9.0 Earthquake with up to a 100 foot Tidal/Tsunami wave! Bob knew he would have to dig so deep to find bed rock (Costing him MILLIONS of $$$) to have a chance of getting this ok'd engineering wise that he made back door deals with the Port commissioner's, the county & anyone that would review this project for the necessary land permits needed to move forward with this adventure! Unless he buys off everyone in this state, this project is DEAD in the water engineering wise, because it's an accident waiting to happen if this goes in as is without any real engineering plan!
Bob wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:39 AM:
Aren't earthquakes the reason Coos Bay used to pass the bond for the new fire station? Not saying that is wrong...but if it applies there doesn't it make sense that it should apply to the North Spit?
everyman wrote on Aug 9, 2008 7:27 PM:
Are you sure that we are maroons, Gene...we might be beiges...or mauves...
Does the word PROOFREAD mean anything to you?
Does the word PROOFREAD mean anything to you?
Edward wrote on Aug 9, 2008 4:17 PM:
Have you anti-LNG folks even SEEN the engineering that goes into the construction of these facilities? You all need to just move AWAY and let people WORK! Your anti-everything attitude does not solve anything or put food into the mouths of families. GO retire somewhere else!!!
moonpenny wrote on Aug 9, 2008 11:04 AM:
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling"!
OMG what if we had an earthquaked, tsunami'd, wind powered, dam breaking, red tide growing, hail inspired, fire blazing, terrorist blasting storm???
"Everyone quick, into your caves, if we don't look maybe it will go away"!
Whiners, suck it up, LNG is going to be here, if you dont like it, move.
OMG what if we had an earthquaked, tsunami'd, wind powered, dam breaking, red tide growing, hail inspired, fire blazing, terrorist blasting storm???
"Everyone quick, into your caves, if we don't look maybe it will go away"!
Whiners, suck it up, LNG is going to be here, if you dont like it, move.
Shiela D wrote on Aug 9, 2008 10:00 AM:
Very well said, Holly. You hit the nail on the head.
And sorry Ronop, I'm intent on voting OUT the incumbents who never bothered to address this previously.
Mr. Prince is correct - It's been highly overlooked. You people railing on and on about how he's from Eugene are simply diverting from the issue, and that is that having a handful more minimum wage jobs in this area is not worth the safety issues!
And sorry Ronop, I'm intent on voting OUT the incumbents who never bothered to address this previously.
Mr. Prince is correct - It's been highly overlooked. You people railing on and on about how he's from Eugene are simply diverting from the issue, and that is that having a handful more minimum wage jobs in this area is not worth the safety issues!
Thomas wrote on Aug 9, 2008 8:26 AM:
Nice to see that at least some outsiders care about what happens to us hereabouts, as it sure doesn't appear that any of our local poohbahs much do.
Why an LNG facility was ever given serious consideration for such an obviously unsuitable site is mindboggling.
Why an LNG facility was ever given serious consideration for such an obviously unsuitable site is mindboggling.
Jane wrote on Aug 9, 2008 8:13 AM:
I guess the facts offered by the people that oppose this Californ LNG SCAM are having a big effect in here by the few Bob Braddock fan's that are pathetically using other's name in here to post their factless propaganda.
Have to agree with prior posts, why wasn't this Tsunami zone issue addressed at the county level in the first place? This should convince residents of this area that good ole boy system John Griffith was being paid off to ignore this issue & many other issues found in LUBA appeal. Face the facts of this Tsunami issue, this LNG at Jordan Cove was not even reviewed engineering wise (Ignored in the first place), knowing full well it couldn't withstand a 9.0 + Earthquake or up to a 100 foot tidal/Tsunami wave! Maybe this time, the whole process (issues) will be reviewed technically in a legal manner vs being ignored due to back door pay off's!
Have to agree with prior posts, why wasn't this Tsunami zone issue addressed at the county level in the first place? This should convince residents of this area that good ole boy system John Griffith was being paid off to ignore this issue & many other issues found in LUBA appeal. Face the facts of this Tsunami issue, this LNG at Jordan Cove was not even reviewed engineering wise (Ignored in the first place), knowing full well it couldn't withstand a 9.0 + Earthquake or up to a 100 foot tidal/Tsunami wave! Maybe this time, the whole process (issues) will be reviewed technically in a legal manner vs being ignored due to back door pay off's!
Eastsidelady wrote on Aug 9, 2008 7:27 AM:
On this LNG subject the best thing I ever did was read the web site www.jordancoveretort.com. I heard the guy took it down when he had a heart attack. Can anybody who knows the guy get it back. It was unbiased and very educational and covered every part of LNG including tsunamis where he interviewed experts in the state and federal government and at Oregon State.
gene wrote on Aug 8, 2008 11:35 PM:
Those first nine comments seem to be almost identical, as if they could have been written by the same person or maybe 2 or 3 at most . does the term SHILL mean anything.
What maroons, They cannot possible live near the bay as most of us opponents do. I doubt they even live in this area.
What maroons, They cannot possible live near the bay as most of us opponents do. I doubt they even live in this area.
TIM wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:19 PM:
People really need to stop talking about things they know nothing about.
A 100-foot tsunami? Where? I want to know both where you heard that drivel, and where on the coast there's been any hint of a tsunami that high (hint: the doubling of typical wave height does not take place in flat, sandy terrain, as is the norm around Coos Bay). I'm not saying that an LNG facility would be a bright idea at Jordan Cove (obviously careful study regarding the REAL impacts of earthquakes or tsunamis would be done)... just saying people on both sides are blindly swinging away at eachother, and need to become educated before they espouse their opinions on such a subject.
I won't hold my breath... regardless of the issues at-hand, there IS a reason why locals aren't really involved in decision processes such as this... they don't know a darn thing.
A 100-foot tsunami? Where? I want to know both where you heard that drivel, and where on the coast there's been any hint of a tsunami that high (hint: the doubling of typical wave height does not take place in flat, sandy terrain, as is the norm around Coos Bay). I'm not saying that an LNG facility would be a bright idea at Jordan Cove (obviously careful study regarding the REAL impacts of earthquakes or tsunamis would be done)... just saying people on both sides are blindly swinging away at eachother, and need to become educated before they espouse their opinions on such a subject.
I won't hold my breath... regardless of the issues at-hand, there IS a reason why locals aren't really involved in decision processes such as this... they don't know a darn thing.
Gov Ted State leaders wake UP wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:27 PM:
Why wasn't this Tsunami hazard zone addressed (With the other issues found in the LUBA appeal) through the county (John Griffith) the 1st time there??? Wasting tax payers money now by these appeals when it should of been addressed before! Now I know why John Griffith wasn't re-elected, worthless (Not knowing his job) & wasting tax payers $$$!
Oregons tsunami hazard zone is not safe for Lng at Jordan Cove wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:20 PM:
How did this whole issue get by passed in the first place? Thanks John Griffith for your irresponsible decision to simply ignore Oregon's tsunami hazard zone law & of course it comes back to haunt you as well as the tax payer on these appeals that will take time & money to correct your errors in your way John Griffith! This whole situation is pathetic & should of been addressed the first time around PERIOD!
Finally the . Earthquake Foot tsunami addressed wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:11 PM:
How this Lng could ever be considered in a Tsunami hazard zone without addressing the full impact/issue is insane & irresponsible! Considering this Tsunami hazard zone wasn't addressed the first time around by John Griffith at the county level shows why he was voted out by residents of this area! He should be removed before he does something else irresponsible to the concerns of local residents & to disregard Oregon's Tsunami hazard law (No new Schools, Hospitals, Library, fire & Police stations can be built in a Tsunami hazard zone). Congrats someone is trying to deal with all issues of this useless Lng that Oregon doesn't need!
Common Sense wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:55 PM:
WOW...someone using my name (Desperate people will do desperate things),
Anybody that thinks this appeal is not necessary is someone profiting from this SCAM, because a 9.0 earthquake will level this LNG SCAM that sits in the sand & then the 100 foot tidal wave hits it next! Bob Braddocks people are sure workin over time on this issue that needs to be addressed! Bob, the message is clear as the day is long....find another state for your useless California LNG SCAM that Oregon doesn't need or want...
P.S. The "real" Common Sense always uses the word SCAM when talkin about this California LNG issue...
Anybody that thinks this appeal is not necessary is someone profiting from this SCAM, because a 9.0 earthquake will level this LNG SCAM that sits in the sand & then the 100 foot tidal wave hits it next! Bob Braddocks people are sure workin over time on this issue that needs to be addressed! Bob, the message is clear as the day is long....find another state for your useless California LNG SCAM that Oregon doesn't need or want...
P.S. The "real" Common Sense always uses the word SCAM when talkin about this California LNG issue...
hatecamel wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:46 PM:
some body is finally thinking..
Holly wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:34 PM:
Come on people, you would whine about an Oregon taxpayer and say nothing about a foreign energy company getting off scott free on taxes? Yes, the proposed LNG facility is in a TAX-FREE enterprise zone. As far as those taxpayers in Medford are concerned, their private property is at risk of being grabbed by eminant domain for the pipeline.
George B. wrote on Aug 8, 2008 4:25 PM:
And what happens if a giant asteroid strikes the earth right at Coos Bay? This is something we have to plan for. Let's all get our tin-foil beanies on and run in circles!
Joe Sixpack wrote on Aug 8, 2008 2:41 PM:
Bye the way ban air conditioning the world would have a surplus of power
ronop wrote on Aug 8, 2008 2:41 PM:
Thanks guys for speaking the truth. There has NEVER been damage to any gas, oli, or natural gas processing site anywhere in this world that was caused by an earthquake. The state geologists say that it wont happen here either. We must elect the incumbents to keep LNG alive here.
Joe Sixpack wrote on Aug 8, 2008 2:37 PM:
What's next no homes bridges or roads or even fence off all areas a tree could fall or someone could drown. Or even stop the growth of city's. They foster crime air pollution and people who want to tell others what they can and cannot do! And the biggest lie of all,let them take your money to study it and then won't even fix it or help with the money they all ready !
Gene wrote on Aug 8, 2008 2:36 PM:
A Eugene school teacher! Were does he get off tell us what we need. Is Eugene so perfect he doesn't have anything to complain about in his own backyard? He has no grounds for an appeal and it should be thrown out without consideration.
Common Sense wrote on Aug 8, 2008 2:24 PM:
Yes there is no disputing that there is a significant earthquake risk off the coast of Oregon... BUT... if there is a 100 foot tidal wave there is going to be a whole lot more to worry about than an LNG facility... everyone needs to get real and stop fretting over something that we live with every day... there is a higher probability of getting killed by a drunk driver than a 100 foot tidal wave... there is no end to this debate and those who are not Pro-LNG have their beliefs and opinions... which is why NATIONAL Energy policy SHOULD NOT be done at the local level... otherwise we will not have ANY alternative energy sources - homegrown or imported...
U said it Robert wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:02 PM:
I am getting tired of these folks from Eugene and Medford trying to tell me whether or not I can have a job in my own community. If the mills close here there will be a lot of people out of work. Already too much theft going on as it is without forcing a lot of honest folks to fend for their families anyway they can. At least all these rich people fighting LNG will have good things for the desperate ones to steal.
And since nobody has figured out yet that the pipeline its self combined with the county getting paid from the contract they signed with Jordan Cove that would produce a lot of money for the County to hire deputies back, they want us to pay more taxes instead and have no jobs to! All cause there is a one in fifty bazillion chance something might happen theorethically if the conditions are just right maybe.
Yeah its a good idea for us to let Eugene tell us how to live.
And since nobody has figured out yet that the pipeline its self combined with the county getting paid from the contract they signed with Jordan Cove that would produce a lot of money for the County to hire deputies back, they want us to pay more taxes instead and have no jobs to! All cause there is a one in fifty bazillion chance something might happen theorethically if the conditions are just right maybe.
Yeah its a good idea for us to let Eugene tell us how to live.
Common Sense wrote on Aug 8, 2008 12:58 PM:
Don't forget tsunami's are caused by earthquakes also. History has shown 9.0 + earthquakes due occur only 30 to 50 miles out from Oregon's coast, that will produce tidal waves (Called tsunami's) of up to 100 feet high also! Jordon Cove is in a tsunami hazard zone according to Oregon's own law. About time this area wakes up to this SCAM...
Interlopers not welcome here wrote on Aug 8, 2008 12:42 PM:
Why in God's name is a Eugene school teacher able to file an appeal based on another ridiculous over-hyped concern... there is no way this guy should be allowed to have "standing" in this matter... heck why don't we take into consideration appeal claims made by aliens? This is a ridiculous waste of time and money --- get on with this or lose this terminal to the Columbia River...
ROBERT wrote on Aug 8, 2008 11:50 AM:
WHY IS IT EVERY TIME A NEW TYPE OF INDUSTRY THAT WANTS TO LOCATE HERE AND IMPROVE OUR ECONOMY( COOS COUNTY) INDIVIDUALS ALWAYS WANT TO BLOCK PROGRESS. WE AREN'T ALL RETIRES AND WE DO NEED NEW TYPES OF INCOME. I'M NOT SAYING LNG ISN'T THE SAFEST BET FOR OUR AREA. BUT THEIR WILL BE SO MANY SAFE GAURDS TO PROTECT US AND THE INVIROMENT THAT I'M WILLING TO LET THEM MOVE AHEAD.
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