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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 | 43 comment(s)

OK, I’m an angry female reader of the paper. About the front page story headlined “Feds: Size of LNG hazard zones is safe” (The World, July 28), your bias is showing and I’m offended. The article was written or edited by someone who, after four years of discussion locally, is not familiar with the liquefied natural gas subject.  

First, when referring to one of the few proponents of LNG locally, you refer to Jordan Cove Project Manager Bob Braddock.  When you refer to the leader of the many thousand people organized in opposition to LNG from North Bend to the California border, you refer to the North Bend woman. Don’t help prove the former paper editor to be correct in her assertions of sexual bias.

Second, I believe that some of the information in your article is incomplete or misleading. For example, the article’s title. If the U.S. Coast Guard established zones were safe, they would not be referred to as a hazard. LNG tanker vessels would not be escorted by armed Coast Guard and fire fighting tugs. The moving zone surrounding LNG tankers in the Coos Bay channel is not safe. Your article properly confirms that every citizen in the communities of Charleston, Barview, Empire, parts of North Bend, the county airport, and so much more, will be placed in harm’s way when you consider that all will be within the one-mile hazard zone. Many will be within the 500 meter (1,500 foot) serious threat zone. And, you properly stated that the vapor cloud searching for an ignition source may travel up to two miles, possibly incinerating much of the community.

Third, you discuss the fact that Jordan Cove Energy intends to use tanker vessels with LNG content storage capacity of 148,000 cubic meters. It is documented that there are currently 277 LNG tanker vessels on the world’s waters. Only 36 are greater than 148,000 cubic meters. All vessels are chartered under long-term contract, some to the year 2036. Most tankers under 160,000 cubic meters storage capacity are very old and are being replaced. It is a matter of good business sense to use the largest tanker possible. There are 112 vessels on order from the worlds shipyards. Only 16 are 148,000 cubic meters LNG storage capacity or less. Again, all are long-term chartered.

Fourth, do the math. It is documented in the paper that Mr. Braddock has told us that his LNG terminal, employing mostly people from outside of the area, will send out at least one billion cubic feet of natural gas daily. Assuming that he uses vessels with 160,000 cubic meters of LNG storage capacity, that will require more than six vessels coming and going per month, each time placing all of us in that hazard zone that you discussed.

Stephanie Williams

Coos Bay

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gene wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:35 PM:

Great letter Stephanie.

Old airport was here before DLCD requirements wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:37 PM:

Old airport was in before 2002 DLCD requirements & new airport was approved by ignoring those same 2002 DLCD requirements as this Lng project was (Except no one appealed the new airport plan)! I will say there is a difference between an airport vs this Lng project:

A) Obviously an airport doesn't have a 2 mile hazard burn zone like this Lng does when a Lng ship arrives here.

B) Airport won't force Oregon citizens to sell their land (80ft section) so a 36 inch Lng pipe can be put in, on it's way to deliving the gas to Northern California.

C) Property values actually go up when an airport is placed in an area, where as an Lng station property values decrease!

D) Airport is positive & necessary to an area for traveling purposes, where this Lng project would increase gas prices due to it being at least 2 times as expensive as regular nutural gas used today by Oregon citizens if used here.

I agree the world isn't a safe place, but everyone & anyone should elminate unneeded unsafe projects as this Lng at Jordan Cove!

Jane wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:56 AM:

Old airport was built before DLCD's 2002 requirements &

NEW airport was built due to DLCD's 2002 requirements ignored as this California LNG SCAM was!

To be fair here, a plane catching fire & explosing would NOT create a 2 mile hazard BURN zone as a LNG ship would traveling within a 1/2 mile of residents of this area on it's way to Jordan Cove (Approx 6 to 8 times a month)!

Hope this info helped!

scott wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:54 AM:

How did the airport ever get built? The not in my back yard could make the same case a plane could crash so close to neighborhoods. How could they put a gas station in neighborhoods do you know how many gallons of flamable liquid are in the buried tanks oh my. Could you imagine what would happen if a tanker truck blew up on one of our surface streets. One wants a guarenty that nobody will die. People die walking to work. Get real people the world is not a safe place people die on this planet everyday.

James wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:20 AM:

I think Everyman and Edward are hoping they can apply for the night watchman positions, the only thing they would be qualified for at this plant (well maybe). Also sounds like Edward isnt happy working at McD's!

Oldest ploycon in a losing argument is changing the subject or half truths wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:47 AM:

Everyman & the other clowns talking about who'll move or who'll stay, Lng will bring needed jobs to this area, bla bla are just the oldest form of ploy/con when a person is losing an discussion or having nothing to offer to a discussion! The subject/issue here was if the World newspaper was bias or not in saying a 2 mile hazard/burn zone is safe or NOT? Obviously no 2 mile hazard/burn zone could be safe if a Lng ship carry this explosive material is with 1/2 mile of populated residents carry this explosive material to be delivered to Jordan Cove every time (At least 8 times a month)!

This Lng project will create around 50 full time jobs at most, but NO local resident will qualify for due to educational & experience requirements to get that job, thus NO local resident jobs will come from this project!

Stop with the changing the subject & 1/2 truth ploy/cons of a project makes money for a foreign investor, just so California can get the gas!

Thomas wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:25 AM:

"... just....move away before it is built? This is a real question, ..." EVERYMAN

Yes ......... before prices drop or it gets hard to sell. The national economy will probably delay or stop this sociopathic nonsense now, but your worst case scenario still might happen to us anyway.

The danger aside, Coos county's future will be downhill and depressing with an LNG terminal and whatever/whomever comes along with it, so the sanest of our populace definitely will flee from this insanity if they can.

In addition... wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:57 PM:

to Janes very smart and truthful listing of the great qualities of Oregon, we also now have the #1 golf course in all of the USA. We beat out Pebble Beach, and thats not to shabby.

Jane wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:48 PM:

Well Matt,

Here's some of the reasons why Oregon coast is very desirable to visit or retire at:

1) Over-all weather is great (Not hot or cold), a little rainy (Green year round), but not humid like Hawaii or Florida is. Believe it or not, but has at least 200 days of partially to sunny days here.

2) Not over-populated like most nice areas.

3) Cost of housing is low compared with most nice areas.

4) Beautiful clean sandy beaches, light houses.

5) No state sales tax.

6) Beautiful rivers.

7) Great hunting.

8) All kinds of wild life.

9) Little or no air pollution.

Add it up & Oregon coast is one of the most beautiful coasts in the USA & why so many retiree's are here & many more to come unless garbage like this California LNG SCAM comes here!

Edward wrote on Aug 11, 2008 6:16 PM:

Statistics folks...you anti-LNGers spout off about the "hundreds" of people killed... What percentage is that of the actual LNG workforce/support industry that works and lives around it? I know people who have lost their lives working in lumber mills, steel mills, etc. It comes with the term "WORKING". Not all people are suited for wearing the golden arches asking "you want fries with that?"

everyman wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:45 PM:

IF, and that's a mighty big IF right now...but IF the Jordan Cove thing gets approved, and ok'd and all...will everyone who is worried about the burn zone, and the tsunami's, and the terrorists, and the out-of-town workers, and the land-stealing, and the pipelines leaks, and the "whatabouts"....just....move away before it is built? This is a real question, so Jane, Ronop, common sense, etc...what will you do?

Really Come on Now wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:07 PM:

What do you get when something blows up??? Please tell me, ok...

charliebird wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:55 PM:

Dear Coos Bay Lifer: You selectively cite LNG terminal explosion fact. You are correct only 128 USA died and 400 injured in 1944 when one square mile was incinerated. Let's tell the people about 37 USA dead in 1973; 1 USA dead in 1979; 27 dead and 72 injured Algeria 2004; 24 dead and 132 injured Belguim 2004. And, let's tell the people about the hundreds who have been cooked by natural gas pipeline ruptures and fires. And, the six dead on a LNG tanker have been told they never died. If your friend Bob Braddock promises that there will never be a death here we should all get behind his effort. NOT!

Welcome Matt wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:42 PM:

Jane, Jane, Jane why in the world do you think that Coos County is *THE* retirement mecca of the west coast?
It's not the warm weather, it's not the culture(except maybe at THE MILL), it's not the easy access, and it's not the 56 inches of rain per year!!!

OUTSIDE LOOKING IN wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:13 PM:

TO COOS BAY LIFER:::::::::It's not in a suitable area.Don't you get it,And there may not be a suitable place for it.It's for Calif.people,let them have terminal on their own land ,along with all the Pro Lng people including the likes of you.

Jane wrote on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM:

Coos Bay lifer,

I hear people saying there is little to NO jobs going to locals myself? Not to smart having this California LNG SCAM sitting in the sand at Jordan Cove in a Tsunami hazard zone? Not to smart having LNG ships coming within a 1/2 of populated area's of a government known 2 mile BURN zone? All it would take would be one accident to ruin this area, just so Oregon citizens can be forced to sell/lose their property (80 ft wide section), just so California can get this gas? Not many positives for this Calfornia LNG SCAM to the majority of citizens of Oregon is there!

Coos Bay Lifer wrote on Aug 11, 2008 1:08 PM:

Since everyone keeps talking about the possibilities of an accident i thought i would take some time and look into the accident records of LNG there has not been a seriuos accident in the US since 1944 with only two other accidents in general looks like a pretty good safety record to me for more info see this article
www.cga.ct.gov/2005/rpt/2005-R-0778.htm

come on now wrote on Aug 11, 2008 12:53 PM:

Nobody's getting blown up....

I cant understand the reasoning wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:02 AM:

Ok, now why would ANYBODY CHANCE GETTING BLOWN UP, BURNED, ETC. TO GIVE A FEW 'OUTSIDERS' JOBS HERE.

Jane wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:44 PM:

Coos Bay lifer,

WEAK arguement of 50 outsiders moving here vs the future tourists & Baby Boomers (The numbers are in the Millions) that won't visit or live here due to this California LNG SCAM? Think about it, because it's a no brainer that this LNG SCAM is not good for the majority of Oregon's citizens & not good for future tourist/Baby Boomers thinking about visiting or living here!!!

coos bay lifer wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:57 AM:

I've lived in coos bay/north bend for my entire life and can remember when the mills were booming and salmon was three per day. and I don't want to see the area dry up and die as it seems to be doing. even if the 50 jobs go to outsiders won't they have to move here to do the work. won't the pilot ships get more work and possibly the longshoreman.
and then theres the money that goes to macey's, ross, 7-11, ect... also can some state when the last time there was a LNG accident. I would be courious to know.

OUTSIDE LOOKING IN wrote on Aug 9, 2008 3:37 PM:

TO B WATSON>>>>>EXCUSE ME, all of us are not ignorant to LNG,it's my opinion that the ignorance falls in the minds of the PRO LNG ACTIVISTS or what ever label you care to put on yourself.It's makes no sense to jeopardise our community for the benefit of a few get richer companies.You, must be desperate,nobody in their right mind would give up so much ,for a few jobs for atta towners,no less.Don't know about you and other pro's,but I have lived here for fifty some years,and enjoy the bay, and beaches very much.Why should we have to be interrupted when using nature,for nothing but a potental disaster?Add up the lose of money businesses would lose ,versus the little bit of money these outta towners would contribute.The lose is to the majority of the tens of thousands of people that use the resources of dunes,beaches the bay,only to name afew? THERE IS JUST NO BENEFIT TO THE 99.9% OF THE PUBLIC FOR LNG TO BE HERE.

Edward wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:49 PM:

Jane...if that is "fact" in your reality, I weep for your family. Perhaps they can set you up in a nice Alzheimer's facility.

Jane wrote on Aug 8, 2008 12:37 PM:

Bob Braddock's fans, what part of the following didn't you understand about this California LNG SCAM:

1) Twice as expensive as domestic gas,
2) Pollutes more then domestic gas,
3) Violates Oregon citizens land rights (Forced to sell their land of 80 ft wide section in order to put a 36 inch LNG pipe through just so California can get the gas)
4) Located in Tsuami zone
5) People live within the 2 mile BURN zone if LNG ship catches fire & blows UP
6) Local fisherman will NOT be allowed in bay or near jetty MANY times of the day due to LNG ships coming or going,
7) This will produce about around 45 jobs, which NO local will qualify for due to education & experience requirements.

Add it up & it's a ZERO for Oregon & the USA. Now you know WHY California & HUNDREDS of other areas across the USA have rejected this LNG SCAM!

Edward wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:23 AM:

I get a kick out of arrogant wikipedia experts who spout "facts" lifted from the internet. I'll say it again: *yawn*.

B. Watson wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:04 AM:

All of you are ignorant when it comes to the LNG. I am tired of seeing all of these signs against the LNG. If you do the research, it is safe. It will also bring in jobs for the area. I hate sitting back and having everyone argue while the area dies economically because of it!

Obviously the World Newspaper doesnt feel its bias wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:58 PM:

No recanting, no telling/apologizing to local readers of their newspaper that they have created a false & misleading title(s) of many issues, such as this Lng issue! Basically, not being a reporter/provider of the news, but creating their OWN news for their OWN self serving reasons!

Common Sense wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:47 PM:

Sounds good Ronop, but Edward is Edward, just someone gettin paid to post & post often in here to support this SCAM without backin their "opinion" up with facts! It would be a landslide vs anyone supportin this SCAM as there really isn't anything positive to gain from this! 50 jobs (All 50 jobs goin to outsiders of the area), Expensive (2X more expensive then gas used today in Oregon), Polluter (Fossel fuel), Oregon's citizen's will be forced to sell their property so a 36 inch pipe can go thru it, so California can get this gas, if Oregon needs gas in the future, the gas from the Rockies would be 1/2 the price of LNG, Oregon's Dept of Energy says LNG is not needed in Oregon!
Add it up, it's a SCAM/LOSER for Oregon!

everyman wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:28 PM:

Jane...I have only posted on here as everyman...Even when i comment on other stories, I only post as Everyman...

And for the last time...I don't stand to benefit AT ALL if/when an LNG terminal is built on the north spit.

It seems you have trouble taking people at thier word...can't say as I blame you, after all, these posts are all anonymous...but I am Everyman, and Everyman only.

everyman wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:20 PM:

Ronop; if it is apparent, as you state, that none of us are experts on this subject...why debate? Like I tell my kids; Arguing for arguments sake serves no purpose other than to irritate the participants. No-ones mind would be changed by such a debate...it would only give a forum to the loudest shouter, both pro and con.

The headline for this article should have not used the word "safe"...it should've used "adequate" or "reasonable". Maybe the paper didn't have enough space...but the article isn't calling the burn zone a safe zone, it is saying that if the size of the tanker were increased, the current zone is adequate.

And Common sense, or Jane, or whatever you are calling yourself today...please don't resort to name-calling. I am not a clown.

stop wrote on Aug 7, 2008 12:45 PM:

Whether you are for or against the proposed lng facility, please stop the personal attacks against anyone with an opposing view. Especially in these "forums" where no one will be swayed by how much vitiol you can spew. The only thing convincing is facts. Even if you pick the facts to believe in, at least you are not calling into question the individual's education or anything else. Don't call people wacko tree-huggers or greedy scam artists. The letter writer, Ms Williams, made valid points of the lng hazards, hazard zones, and the exposure of the communities of Charleston, Barview, etc. to these hazards.

Jane wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:00 AM:

Does anyone think, edward & everyman are the same person, due to both of them posting alot in here & having nothing worth while to say? They both support this California LNG SCAM, but never base anything on facts to support it? Both must be making some money off of this somehow, too obvious really! I agree Stephanie, the World newspaper is bias, which is really pathetic for any news provider to the public! Say NO California LNG.

Edward wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:02 AM:

Unfortunately I do not get paid...but I am good at what I do. I got you to post more rants, didn't I?

ronop wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:22 AM:

Dear Edward and Common Sense. Lets identify ourselves to the World publisher and have a debate about the pros and cons of local LNG. It's apparent that none of us are experts in the subject. I'll reserve the Coos Bay city hall. Im positive the room will be full. Since you two have no life and seem to spend the day reading this online paper we should be able to agree before close of business today. Your move. Ron

yawn more of the double same wrote on Aug 7, 2008 5:50 AM:

OK, we get it. Building an LNG facility will destroy the earth, cause earthquakes, floods, tornados near pony village, wreck education, destroy the radiator fluid, AND increase Earth's chances of being hit by a giant asteroid. Everybody be afraid of "LNG". Wow...

Thomas wrote on Aug 6, 2008 5:06 PM:

WOW!!!

EDWARD actuallly gets paid for posting almost nothing at all .......... or maybe that's all he's got?

Mayhaps you could hire some better shills, Jordon cove, eh.

Edward wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:38 PM:

Common Sense: *double yawn*

Common Sense wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:45 PM:

Correct Edward,

The World newspaper's bias is getting OLD in supporting this California LNG SCAM that Oregon does NOT need!

P.S. You & the other clown everyman should get some new material...called FACTS in your support of this SCAM also!

ronop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:42 PM:

Read the "Limitation of Vessel Owners Act" (it's US law and on the Internet). There are absolutely NO US flag vessels carrying LNG anywhere on this planet. Now see that if a catastrophic event (the LNG blast destroys all of the vessel except one propeller and the blast destroys all of North Bend, the vessel owners liability is ZERO dollars - minus the value of that propeller. Get educated and you will get angry and get rid of North Spit LNG.

Kay wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:42 PM:

Stephanie, seems the staff is just doin their job, ya know? Carrying water for their Corporate Bosses. This is what ya get.

Thomas wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM:

Actually Stephanie, the headline stating the hazard zone is "safe" truly reflects the attitude of sociopathic LNG boosters: Whatever might happen to we local people doesn't matter much, as it's merely a cost of their doing business.

BTW, when the LNG tanker catastrophe inevitably does occur, it's a safe bet that Jorden Cove et al won't be paying the bill ......... so it really will be quite "safe" for them.

Wheres the Gas Contract wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:49 AM:

Shouldn't we be asking Mr. Braddock of Jordan Cove Energy if he has long-term contracts to purchase the gas? Contract of at least five to ten years in duration?

Can we have this in writing please?

Edward wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:28 AM:

*yawn* More of the same...

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