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Cheniere Sabine Pass LNG wrote on Aug 5, 2008 3:48 PM:
This was to be the big success story...one shipment, stocks plummet, investors bailing. It just opened in April and now laid off over half its workers.
Dave from NB wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:46 PM:
Common Sense wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:09 AM:
This issue is SERIOUS to thousands near the coast/bay & many people that will be forced to sell their land so a 36 inch LNG pipe will go through their property, just so California can get the gas! Your humor is childish & NOT appreciated by the majority of this area & Oregon itself, because we can see this California LNG SCAM is useless to Oregon! Obviously you are going to profit from this somehow or why else would you post in here so often with so little to offer (ZERO facts) in support of this SCAM? Pretty obvious to anyone with ANY common sense on what you are trying to do dude!
As far as the World Newspaper is concerned it obviously it meant what it said or why didn't it retract or issue a follow up explaining it made a false & misleading title statement? Obviously, someone is paying off someone behind the scenes here in supporting this SCAM that even Oregon's Dept of Energy says "LNG is not needed in Oregon"!
everyman wrote on Aug 5, 2008 7:32 AM:
Now, regarding me; I can only tell you the following;
1 - I work in an industry totally unrelated to the LNG industry and am not involved in local politics
2 - I, for OBVIOUS reasons, will not reveal my name in a forum.
3 - In previous posts, I have explained my viewpoint, and the facts as I see them, but try to have fun doing so
4 - And finally, I ONLY post as Everyman, instead of posting under different names and yelling the same viewpoint (as some others do).
Everyman out.
PS - You take your dog to the bathroom with you...ewwww.
World newspaper two mile burn zone is not safe wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:18 AM:
Who thinks everyman is looking for attention (Has little to offer with facts in support of this Lng SCAM) or is going to profit from this Lng SCAM (Supporting this Lng SCAM without no logical reason to do so, thus going to make money off of it) or maybe BOTH?
Nomdplume wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:42 PM:
everyman wrote on Aug 4, 2008 1:47 PM:
I am not a "shill".
I am not an employee of Bob Braddock, or Bob Braddock himself, or a friend of Bob Braddock.
Who am I?
(Cue my theme music)
I'm EVERYMAN!
PS - Any requests?
Wait a minute nothing safe about this two mile burn zone wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:51 AM:
Not sure what would be worse, empty new airport, Port commissioner's ownership of a rail line or this Lng SCAM, because ALL 3 are totally negative to the area!
Wait a minute wrote on Aug 4, 2008 9:06 AM:
http://www.goldenpasslng.com/news_article.cfm?articleid=108
LNG is the next ENRON wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:07 PM:
LOOK at Sabine Pass - 1st US LNG terminal built a FEW months ago, and only 1 shipload and now NOTHING!!!!!!
These terminals cannot get their supply until they are somewhat approved by FERC. Supply use to be 20 year contracts. In the last year, suppliers have broken contracts i.e. Iran with India, and now do short term contracts because the prices keep going UP. They even divert ships if another country will pay more for the gas. This terminal could get built, our neighbors' land robbed from them, and it could get moth-balled like the 3 terminals that were built on the East Coast in the 80's.
Jane wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:19 PM:
This 1.7 - 2.0 mile zone is a BURN zone, since if a ship catches fire & blows up, everything within that space would burn/melt things like metal! Do your homework on this important issue that will NOT benefit Oregon, unless you are Bob Braddock & California, since Oregon's dept of Energy says Oregon citizen's gas bill would go up, if this LNG SCAM came here to be used & concluded LNG is "Not needed in Oregon"! How is Bob these days, besides VERY worried about the LUBA road block that will take YEARS to over come the many issues to fix!
Kay wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:19 PM:
Methinks Everyman is here to drive away any and all criticism of our town "leaders". This started a few weeks ago. Hit man job.
You're good everyman, really good.
Don't let this hit man and his attitude run you off folks, this business community is trying to squelch public dissatisfaction, plain and simple. They've had enough of you unwashed masses messin in their business.
My Gawd today's front page has two articles about Tuna Man, one about Disney, what the heck is news?
Will end my world subscription unless wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:09 PM:
everyman wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:48 AM:
THEY CALL IT; BURN ZONE, BURN ZONE, IT SOUNDS REAL FRIGHTNING
NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN, LIKE GETTING STRUCK BY LIGHTNING
THEY CALL IT BURN ZONE, BURN ZONE, JUST SAY IT MORE LOUDLY
AND WE'LL RUN OFF ALL BUSINESS, AND WE'LL DO IT REAL PROUDLY...
No where did it say this two mile burn zone is safe wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:12 AM:
fourty five jobs filled by outsides vs two mile burn zone wrote on Aug 1, 2008 8:08 AM:
HA wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:12 PM:
I used to be very pro LNG, now i'm to the point of just make a flippin' decision about it already so i can stop looking at those horrid signs and stop reading about it.
Its more likely that your gas tank will explode as you're driving than the LNG getting you. For those that are so against LNG, find us another company that will bring 45 jobs to the area and i'll support that.
LNGTSS wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:24 PM:
Locating an LNG terminal on the outside of a bend in the waterway and where LNG vapors could affect civilian populations are two major problems that SIGTTO warns against. The reason: Such terminal siting, should a catastrophic event ever occur there -- however unlikely that might be -- would shut down the LNG industry. That would, in turn, have a disasterous effect on the US economy.
LNG developer and FERC irresponsibility is no excuse for violating industry knowledge that has accrued over decades of experience.
LNG Terminal Siting Standards Organization
www.LNGTSS.org
everyman wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM:
You are right. I am wrong. The sky realy is falling, LNG truly will bring the end of the world, and I'm...so...very...afraid.
Not only will LNG leave nothing more than a crater where CB/NB used to be, but it will also totally destroy the worlds entire ozone layer, corrupt the minds of our children, and destroy all life as we know it on the south coast...except for the snowy plover, which, since it's protected, will recieve all of the federal funding it need to survive here.
But you are all right...and as a result...I'm afraid, so afraid. Hold me, Jane...Hold me DR, hold me....
Sly Sloan wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:05 AM:
for sticking your neck out and saying what others have wanted to say for over a year.
Your research is appreciated.
I am not now, nor have I ever been paid for the statements that I endorse!!
So much for FREE SPEACH......
I think we should have clean fuel sources why not try for a Nuclear Reactor on the spit instead? I'll bet the wackos would then gladly accept LNG!
North Spit Property wrote on Jul 30, 2008 6:42 PM:
24 13 28 #200 160 ac
24 13 28 #400 80 ac
24 13 28 #500 160 ac
24 13 29 #200 80 ac
Public information.
Here We Go wrote on Jul 30, 2008 3:43 PM:
Common Sense wrote on Jul 30, 2008 3:11 PM:
I totally agree with you "from Coos Bay" on that worse case sceniaro study or why have a study at all...
Everyman...who you foolin on NOT being involved in this for $$$ some how (Tell Bob to find another state), on how WEAK your position is for this California LNG SCAM that even Oregon's dept of Energy say's is NOT needed in Oregon!!!
From Coos Bay wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:37 AM:
The most vulnerable spot on the LNG tankers is the top of the ships, (Hello, airplanes!). And this Sandia report is on a 'small' breech of about 15 sf. What if it is breeced with a hole 50 sf....wanna guess how far the blast zone would be then??? These studies are on SMALL spills. They should be based on WORSE CASE SCENARIOS..... All 4-5 tanks on board breeched.....remember, the gas heats to 2,000-3000 F and melts steel(McCullough Bridge) and will cause secondary fires...gas stations, homes, forests.... The ship has the energy of 50+ (depending on size) Hiroshima bombs.
Regarding terrorism. We do live in a new world. These ships can be attacked from shore. Why would someone do that here? What better way to shut down California than to cut off their supply in an unprotected port. Easy.
mile burn zone is Not safe to this area wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:22 AM:
What Else have they Got wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:56 AM:
I don't want LNG but, I'm open to other possibilities that are forward thinking and won't be so risky.
Is this all they have?
ronop wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:54 AM:
everyman wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:45 AM:
. - . mile Burn zone is NOT safe wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:05 AM:
Lng is twice as expensive as the natural gas used today by local Oregon residents & if we need more gas, the gas from the Rockies will be 1/2 the price of Lng & there is plenty of it too! No brainer, Lng is good for an rich foreign investor named Bob Braddock & California, but is useless to Oregon!
David Robinson wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:34 AM:
LNG = is a Dirty,Climate Changing,Fossil Fuel.
LNG = is a Terrorist Target.
LNG = is not a Secure Energy Supply.
LNG = is an Imported Fossil Fuel.
LNG = has transportation problems.
LNG = produces few sustainable jobs.
LNG = needs increased Defence spending.
LNG = has unknown properties(Sandia Tests in Oct - Dec 2008)
LNG = is too expensive.
LNG = is there a Kangaroo loose in the Top Paddock ???
L et`s
N ot
G uess. D.R.
Ignorance is bliss wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:18 AM:
gene wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:34 PM:
Thomas wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM:
Having seen on many internet forums like this, and maybe for such more easily recognizing his type of rhetoric, he clearly seems much more like a paid outsider than a real local.
Prove me wrong?
Everyman is obvious going to profit from LNG wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:50 PM:
45 new people (Outsiders hired by this Lng storage place) vs hundreds of thousants/millions of tourists & Baby Boomers that won't visit or live here in Oregon if this Lng comes here!
Comparing Logging of years ago vs Lng of today, where Logging created thousands of jobs vs Lng at about 45 jobs. Logging NEVER had a 2 mile burn zone either basically alot safer then Lng will ever be!
He is obviously one of Bob Braddock's company people or one of the few in the area that will profit from this useless expensive polluter garbage called Lng that will send the gas through 230 miles of pipeline (Forcing Oregon's citizens to sell their land of 80 foot wide section just so a 36 inch pipe can be placed in the middle of it) on it's way to California!
Jane wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:34 PM:
The point is 1.7 - 2 mile BURN zone from a LNG ship catching fire & blowing up would effect "thousands" of people living in this area (On/near the coast & bay)! How safe could that be a few jobs (around 45 full time jobs that NO local resident will qualify for due to educational & experience requirements)!!!
Add it up folks, a ZERO for this area & for Oregon on this California LNG SCAM that is twice as expensive & polluter as domestic gas used by Oregon citizens today!
P.S. I have 2 Bachelor degrees (1 in engineering & 1 in business) & I'm a registered Republican also!
Scribbler wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM:
And for those who think there aren't educated folks to take some of those jobs already here... two of my sons have their degrees and couldn't get jobs here-- they'd be back in a heartbeat! My wife and I as well, are well qualified.
I resent NIMBY auslanders who think the locals are bumpkins!!!!
RUReady wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:26 PM:
Out of Line Comment wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:41 PM:
I don't understand. As long as Barview is within the blast radius, whats the problem?
This is the lowest comment of all. You have no decency and should be ashamed of yourself. Please do us all a favor and keep your comments to yourself.
negotiator wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:21 PM:
"Some older 9-percent nickel steel tanks have shown significant amounts of swallow cracking after years of service."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/tanker-lng.htm
D.R. wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:03 PM:
D.R.
just wondering wrote on Jul 29, 2008 11:39 AM:
everyman wrote on Jul 29, 2008 11:09 AM:
Facts, not fear.
Read it yourself...
EducationIsTheKey wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:42 AM:
ronop wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:32 AM:
George wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:05 AM:
The facts are equally clear that the rest of the world is (and has) embraced LNG in the immediate past few years.
I am not saying we are wrong but are we the only country in the world correct on this issue? every other nation wrong?
Vonnie wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:45 AM:
Thomas wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:52 AM:
Good, since that's probably the real 'hazard' everyone here will face for a few jobs. A well-planned terrorist attack on an LNG tanker probably could not be stopped, so our community definitely should prepare for handling its catastrophic aftermath if this comes to pass.
Let's also hope they take into consideration the prevailing strong winds that blow towards town, which certainly would compound the danger here. All things considered, Coos Bay is just about the worst possible site for an LNG terminal.
Edward wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:49 AM:
nbsingleparent wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:29 AM:
an this quote from their web page www.jordancoveenergy.com
"Economic Development
The proposed Jordan Cove Energy Project will directly enhance the climate for new and existing industry in the following ways:
The LNG vessel traffic, will significantly increase the annual number of vessel calls at the Port of Coos Bay, helping to:
stabilize Port operations,
increase overall Port utilization, and
increase Port revenues.
These additional vessel calls will provide increased employment for longshore workers, harbor pilots, tugboat operators, and marine service and supply providers.
The construction of the facility – which will take roughly three years – will provide over 1000 jobs at construction peak, in addition to the increased business for local vendors who would provide supplies and services during construction.
When completed, the facility will provide about 60 stable, long-term, family-wage, skilled jobs to local residents. Additionally, new support jobs will be created for tractor tug services, stevedoring and piloting.
In addition to the above benefits, the Jordan Cove Energy Project could enhance Coos County’s attractiveness as a place to locate or expand business"
next councilwoman wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:20 AM:
Charleston resident wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:11 AM:
everyman wrote on Jul 29, 2008 7:51 AM:
Now about the risk. Anyone can speculate about what MIGHT happen. But look at what HAS happened (There is actually a better track record for safety at LNG plants, nationally, than our public education system...but I don't hear anyone clamoring to close our schools). Technology is improving by the minute, lessening the risks every day...
And frankly, I could not care less where a local plant shipped the Liquified Natural Gas; I always thought distributing a product that other places wanted was GOOD thing?!?
(To the tune of Ironman)
I AM EVERYMAN...
Tag Ur It wrote on Jul 29, 2008 7:18 AM:
I think that having gas is a sure thing. It is important to our future.
Natural gas— liquefied (LNG), is classified under federal law as one of the fuels we should be using more to cut oil imports.
Urban renewal wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:29 AM:
negotiator wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:33 PM:
howard jarvis here wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:41 PM:
Kay wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:39 PM:
I am really hoping that this will come in born an raised in the town an being here thought the timber an watching it leave an knowing the majority of the jobs here are all here now are minimum wage jobs supporting them…..we need something an I have read on there web that they will employ about 60 people which is better then nothing this town an our community needs something more the minimum wages jobs supporting each other, everyone in this town did not support acs coming in an now that we have it employees a lot of people in our community, an not to mention I believe that is was one of the gentle that did a tour of the plants did an article an was talking about all the safety things in place…I think that as a community we need to embrace this. An look to the future…things blow up you die in car crashes an air planes an drop dead walking down the street…so let look an see what this can do for you us
Kay:
We could invest in schools, born and raised here.
frank wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:01 PM:
contractor wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:26 PM:
Thomas wrote on Jul 28, 2008 6:58 PM:
It strikes me as insanity that the exact mileage of the LNG hazard zone is worth debate ......... as no other enterprise would even be considered for a second if they presented anything close to what this sociopathic nonsense does.
disgusted wrote on Jul 28, 2008 5:47 PM:
Dave A. wrote on Jul 28, 2008 5:44 PM:
NO jobs for local residents from LNG wrote on Jul 28, 2008 5:25 PM:
Kris wrote on Jul 28, 2008 4:54 PM:
no duh... wrote on Jul 28, 2008 3:54 PM:
I hope this plant is built right in your backyard. And by the way, thats NOT sarcasm.
everywoman wrote on Jul 28, 2008 3:13 PM:
nbsinglemom wrote on Jul 28, 2008 3:01 PM:
Jane wrote on Jul 28, 2008 2:35 PM:
everyman wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:00 PM:
(For those of you with no discernment, the substance dripping from your computer screen is sarcasm...this post is dripping with it...)
everyman wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:28 AM:
Most will come from outside our own area to work it.
It is too dangerous.
It is too expensive.
It will look horrible and crimp our access to a beloved past-time.
But I'm not talking about LNG...I'm talking about logging...
Sensible logging and sensible LNG development...dosen't seem to be too much difference between the two...



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