Lakeside fire district seeks to add territory

By Jolene Guzman, Staff Writer
Saturday, July 26, 2008 | 12 comment(s)

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Lakeside Rural Fire Protection District has expansion on its mind. But a few Lakeside-area citizens in the district’s proposed addition to the district aren’t pleased.

Fire Chief Ted Ross said the district has responded more frequently to fire and emergency calls outside its district boundaries in recent years. Many of the calls are to homes bordering Tenmile Lakes. Keeping up that service is stretching the district’s financial resources.

“In the past number of years, there is an increasing need for service on the lake.” Ross said. “We offer that free of charge.”

Attorney David Koch, representing the district, said the Lakeside firefighters respond to these calls in accordance with mutual aid agreements with other fire districts.

Ross said either the district needs more money or it should stop responding to those calls. The current tax revenue collected by the district is $102,400. Another $62,000 in revenue would be collected if the proposed additional territory were added to the district.

“This is something that has been needed for a long time,” he said. “If we don’t have help, we will have to stop providing service.”

A recent hearing before the Coos County commissioners examined the boundaries of the proposal, which would double the district’s territory. Currently the district collects taxes from properties in a five-square-mile area, including the city of Lakeside. The proposed addition would increase that  territory to 10 square miles.

“All we are asking is that you put this on the ballot and let the voters decide and not allow people passionate enough to show up at a public hearing to be the voice,” Koch said.

Testimony at an earlier hearing did affect the size of the  proposed territory. The original proposal would have added 14 square miles, for a total of 19. Testimony in that hearing identified areas, predominantly forest and farm land, that would be difficult for firefighters to access and therefore inappropriate for inclusion in the district.

“I think the people deserve the right to vote,” Coos County Commissioner Nikki Whitty said. “I think the district has a lot of work ahead of it.”

Expanding the district would require an election in the current fire district and the proposed addition. The commissioners will need to approve the ballot title before it appears before voters. A ballot title hearing is scheduled for Aug. 20.

Commissioners John Griffith and Kevin Stufflebean voted along with Whitty to approve the district borders, but the board’s approval of the boundaries will not be the end of the debate.

People who live in the current district and the additional territory have varying opinions on the proposal.

“Nothing shakes you like looking out your window and seeing a pillar of fire going up a tree,” said Carl George, who owns property outside the district.

He and his neighbors got a taste of life without fire protection when a tree caught fire near his house on the Lindros arm of Tenmile Lakes. Emergency responders didn’t have the right address, and no one arrived to help the neighbors. They eventually put out the blaze without it spreading any structures.

George was in favor of expanding the district.

Jim McCarty, another lake property owner, had a different opinion.

“Most of us on the lake knew we weren’t in a fire district,” McCarty said. “We were prepared to deal with that.”

McCarty said he and his neighbors were aware of the risks involved in living outside a fire protection district.

“We are resigned that if our houses catch fire and become involved — they’re history,” he said.

Moreover, McCarty said the expansion brought up more questions than answers. He said the district hasn’t presented much of a plan for how it would cover the extra territory and how expansion would affect residents in the current district.

“I believe Lakeside Fire does a fabulous job, but we are putting the cart before the horse without a plan,” McCarty said.

Ross said the fire protection district is establishing automatic aid agreements that guarantee more responders to fires and emergency calls in the area.

“It’s not that we are looking at things like we are all alone, because that is not the way it is in firefighters anymore,” he said.

(Staff Writer Jolene Guzman can be reached by calling 269-1222, ext. 235; or by e-mailing to jguzman@theworldlink.com.)
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Townee wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:04 AM:

I am trying to get the facts - but it seems no one knows them. The firefighters all keep saying it will be an asset - What are the assets? Will there be paid firefighters. I know this is a volunteer department - but even Charleston at 30 - are well aware that not everyone can respond to a call or drill. Mutual Aid is a wonderful thing - but Hauser and North Bay have the same problems - they have to leave some people in their district to cover their own calls. I can't get any hard answers from anyone - which in my OPEN MIND - tells me there is NO PLAN. I am on both sides on the fence here I live in town and have a cabin on the lake - and I don't see the asset(s)?

hello wrote on Aug 2, 2008 6:48 PM:

townee it does not state that a volunteer fire dept have to be at every call that thay have that is way it is CALLED VOLUNTEER!

new ff wrote on Aug 1, 2008 8:59 PM:

townee...i agree with shawnl...maybe the retiree that you speak of is yourself...there are people out there..if you know how to recruit and motivate people....as for you seeing an attorney if your husband had an attack and no one responded...how would you feel if no one was around...because that is what you are saying...look at the facts and get your new info in order before you talk.... all the rural FD's have banded together to help one another in time of need....green acres, millington, charleston, hauser, north bay,sumner, and yes lakeside

Townee wrote on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 AM:

Again - NO HARD FACTS
Charleston FD has 30 volunteers for their district and they DO NOT consider them enough.
How many sctive volunteers does Lakeside have? At drills on Tuesday I have seen maybe 10. Remember you guys are in a pretty visual area.
And once again - are their plans for paid fulltime positions with the annexation of the Lake?
I am beginning to think that the firefighters in Lakeside don't even know the plan the Fire Board has.

shawnl wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM:

TOWNEE This is a win for everyone, the people that dont see this need to open there eyes, there is enough personal at the fire dept to man the town and the lake, I think that it is time for the retired ff to go back to school because you dont now the drill,

Townee wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:01 AM:

Good Samaritan laws cover the firefighters to a point (do not count on them for protection if you go beyond your standing orders, or from OSHA-, OR officers giving incorrect orders)The fire board who is ultimately responsible. Hauser does not use taxes from the dunes (?), all user fees go to the State. Hauser has been known to send a service fee to those who do not live within their district. Hauser has a large fund raiser,worked Sandfest and rec'd $7000. They also write grants. Lakeside Fire has always gone after (taxpayer)bonds to pay for their equipment - when was the last successful grant written? All you are saying is that it will make Lakeside more beautiful (?) What are the assets and how it will benefit citizens of Lakeside. Again I ask - are paid positions for firefighters part of the plan? As to the insurance - to significantly lower the premium the sub stations would need to be manned and water (like dry hydrants set up $$$$) readily available - insurance companies will not reduce $$$ for a float pump in the lake. We have a cabin on the Lake.

ff in town wrote on Jul 29, 2008 6:21 PM:

I agree with local firefighter... it could help increase the quality of life in the area and ALSO lower insurance on those around if their insurance sees that there is a firestation close by. I would want a station close to me if my community needed it

local firefighter wrote on Jul 29, 2008 6:18 PM:

If lakeside does the same thing that Hauser has and take advantage of the taxes on the dunes(lakeside could use the lake)
then there would be some income there. Also there are millions of dollars out there that the federal government is giving away in grants... all that is needed is to have the grant written. That is one of things that has come out of 9/11...as for being a retired firefighter...and you saying that you would see an attorney if no one is around for you/ your husband if something happened..thats what good samaritan laws are for...it would also make lakeside a more beautiful community.

Townee wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:20 AM:

Get ahold of your budget local firefighter, adding $62,000 will not even pay for 1/4 of the equipment needed without a bond. The area proposed is HUGE - there will need to be several substations with vehicles stationed out there. You currently have surplus vehicles that you cannot sell. Your current station is not Earthquake approved and needs to be upgraded and/or probably moved to another location. $62,000 will be eaten in fuel costs if you intend to use the current vehicles until new or used ones can be found. My mind is open - There seems to be no workable plan or it would have been explained in the article. What about salaried firefighters? With the Lake District - is there a plan for a full time Fire Chief? A lake district without up front capitol is a money pit and AGAIN a NO WIN for the city. Do not under estimate the retirement community in the city, a few of us are retired firefighters and already know the drill.

local firefighter wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:04 PM:

I believe that it would be a great asset to the community. Townee, if approved, there would be more money to encourage locals to volunteer and get active in their local area and maybe get some re-imbursement to offset some of the cost when ff' respond with their personal vehicle to the station to respond.
BE open minded and think of the positive things that could come of this

Townee wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:53 AM:

Sorry - but there are not enough volunteers to cover the "Lake District" and the original town district limits.
How are they going to fund this? The Lake district will up to their neck in debt and bonds (if they can get a bond in this economy) Fire Equipment is expensive. They first time everyone is out on the lake and there is no backup and my husband has a heart attack - I will see an attorney. We have lived here for 30 years and helped pay for the equipment. Without a lot more information and participation from the people on the Lake this is a NO WIN for the current district.

shawn l wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:16 PM:

I think that this is a very good idea it will give every one on the lake fire coverage that is needed


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