Motoring into a fishy controversy

By Joe Hansen, Outdoors Editor
Thursday, July 17, 2008 | 14 comment(s)

Fishermen on Coquille River's south fork ask state to ban motor boats

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In the middle of July, the South Fork of the Coquille River is small, clear and tranquil. Come January, the river widens, turns a deep jade color and is full of steelhead and the fishermen hoping to catch them — bank anglers and those in boats with or without motors.

Therein lies a growing problem.

Bank anglers and non-motorized drift boaters — those who simply float down the river fishing holes  — say they’re being run off the river by increasingly numerous and aggressive motor boaters. They go up and down the river, dominating fishing holes and riding over the tops of bank anglers’ lines. Motor boaters say they have every right to be there, and guides say they rely on the capabilities of outboard motors to better ensure their clients hook a fish.

Reports are surfacing of fishermen throwing rocks at each other, and verbal disputes on the river are becoming more common. Some worry actual violence may be next.

So last week, a group of anglers submitted a petition to the Oregon State Marine Board asking that motor boats be banned on the South Coquille from Broadbent to the Siskiyou National Forest boundary. The petition came complete with 269 signatures, 51 postcards and 19 letters of support. The board unanimously moved to begin the rulemaking process on the issue, meaning it will take public comment through the winter steelhead season but likely not revisit the issue until March 2009.

Some say that’s not soon enough.

“There’s nothing wrong with outboard motors, but they’re an inappropriate technology for a small, crowded river like the South Coquille,” said Reedsport angler Jim Thurber, one of the petitioners.

“It’s become so bad, that (the motor boaters) have really just driven us out of the good spots,” said Bandon bank angler Dave Hambly, who added he’d seen one fisherman take a swing at another after a verbal altercation. “These motors have made it such an impossibility to fish there, you just find another river.”

The problem, say non-motor boat anglers, is that boats with outboard motors have an advantage. They can repeatedly fish a hole by  powering upriver and floating back down, whereas non-motorized drift boaters only get one shot and bank anglers are essentially stationary. Common river courtesy dictates that anglers fish a hole once and move on.

“Prior to the introduction of motors, people got along,” said Thurber, who generally fishes the river via non-motorized driftboat. “The technology has led to a breakdown in river etiquette.”

Not everybody sees it that way.

“(Non-motorized) drift boaters want everything to themselves,” said Jack Duncan, a Roseburg guide of 30 years. “I just think things are getting a bit too extreme. I don’t think it needs to be exclusive.”

Others said a motor ban won’t help, and it’s unfair to those who make their living from angling.

“Honestly, I don’t think (the petition) was needed. This is more of a social issue. I’m fine without motors, but the thing that congests the river is its popularity,” said Medford fishing guide Jim Dunlevy. “And as far as the guides go, motors for us are a tool. It’d be like taking a hammer away from a carpenter.”

There’s not even agreement among guides.

“I would invite a ban on motors on this kind of river,” said Roseburg guide Rich Wolfe.

The motor-boat conflict has reached a point that it’s starting to get the attention of landowners along the South Coquille, an important group of people given that much of the access to the river is through private land.

Gordon Hayes owns 1 1/2 miles of riverfront, and by all accounts he’s been remarkably generous in allowing anglers access through his land. But he said he’s fed up with the behavior of many motor boaters.

“They run up and down the river like yo-yos. They act like they own the whole river,” said Hayes.

When asked if it’s bad enough he’s considering closing his land to public access, he replied, “I might close it to motor boats.”

But many close to the issue say it’s not really about motor boats at all — it’s really a problem of converging factors: the small size of the South Coquille, it’s growing popularity as a steelhead river and a diminishing understanding of river etiquette.

“It’s a social conflict,” said OMB Operations Policy Analyst Randy Henry.

He’s charged with conducting interviews and gathering information to make a staff recommendation to the board. “And the issue is bigger than just the South Fork of the Coquille.”

OMB has adopted motor bans on portions of the Elk and Sixes rivers, and this isn’t the first time the issue of the South Coquille has come up: A similar petition came before the board in 2002, but back then it opted not to go further. Things are different this time.

“It was a little bit of an eye-opener. You talk to local folks and find a lot of frustration,” said Henry, who recommended the board enter the rule-making process on July 8. “I’ve seen enough to think we need to take a closer look.”

Henry said he expects the public comment process to be contentious. There are those who see both sides and, while acknowledging there’s a problem, hope it doesn’t come to an outright ban.

One of those is Southwest Regional Director for Northwest Steelheaders John Ward. He said he’d like to see an educational effort prior to a ban, but failing that his organization may support a ban.

“The problem with the Coquille is it’s a small but popular area. When you have small and popular together, the people have to find a way to share with the other fishermen,” he said. “We’ve identified a problem. If we can’t solve it the easy way, we may have to solve it the hard way.”
The Coquille River debate


What: A group of anglers has submitted a petition to the Oregon State Marine Board asking that motor boats be banned on the South Fork of the Coquille River from Broadbent to the Siskiyou National Forest boundary.

Why: Bank anglers and non-motorized drift boaters say they’re being run off the river by increasingly numerous and aggressive motor boaters.


Solution: There isn’t one yet. The Marine Board has decided to take public comment through the winter steelhead season to see whether it should ban motorized boats. No decision will be made until at least March 2009.
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Joe wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:03 AM:

Revenue to Myrtle Point from Guides? Not much. It's not like they spend much time here. Most don't even stay here and we are lucky if they buy some beer and a licence here in town. Anybody who wants to compare this river to the Deschutes is way off base. This is a small river and the congestion is MUCH greater here than on the Deschutes. I have spent probably 300 days total on each river and the South Fork can't handle the motor boat traffic. If the guides want to guide on this river, let them float it. They'll still come.

Jim wrote on Jul 20, 2008 12:00 PM:

RON AND ALL THE REST OF US: The motors can and will be removed from the river and you can help! Write a letter today! to STATE MARINE BOARD, Attn. Randy Henry, P.O. Box 14145, Salem, OR.97309. Even better just forward your e-mail here to randy.henry.@state.or.us. There is absolutely NOTHING more effective than hearing from you about the stuff we have to put up with just to fish the river. Do it today!

Ron wrote on Jul 19, 2008 3:20 PM:

Impolite newbies to this quiet river screaming their rights to run over our lines, bump boats, trash talk our families and remain too lazy to walk or paddle themselves on a fishing trip. Add in the "professional" guides who claim "extra" rights because this is what they do for a living and want to guarantee their "clients" actually catch a fish. What a bunch of baloney.

These folks rights have NO RIGHT to take them at the expense of others. Period. That is precisely why there are "no wake zones" and 5mph areas all over Oregon. Precisely that, no more complicated.

Anyone who tries to complicate this beyond simply society's efforts to prevent pigs from eating all the food are missing the point all together.

Get this river back into the hands of the locals and their value system and the heck with the late comers with their expensive noizy machinery and disrespect for others. Bar them, and bar them immediately. Study and debate later, but for now just bar them. Let the majority of us take our rights and jam them down the speeder's throats for once.

Jim wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:18 AM:

Dear Commenters, I like all your comments and this is what we need--all the input we can get. OMB knows they have a serious problem on their hands and no matter what, changes will be made. We are the ones who will be determining what those changes are. All other rivers in Oregon with motor bans allow electrics and that could solve almost all objections. BOB, the ban is for winter steelhead season only and only from Broadbent up. CITY OF COQUILLE RESIDENT, We surveyed all business's in Powers who said enconomic benefits were zilch. The fact that the hatchery program alone costs, at minimum, $257,000 per year, means there is no amount of gas, food, licenses, boat registrations or anything else that can pay down the "national debt" of the river. Sadly, there is no free lunch for the fisherman.

Slow Down wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:37 AM:

David, I agree locals have quit going out due to the brashness of others.
I had my son exposed to foul language and my boat got bumped as they turned around to head back up the river, back and forth fast!!!!

City of Coquille resident wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:49 AM:

I too can see both sides of the issue. I have also been a bank fisherman and have used a guide. Both sides have become ruder in recent years. What some people haven't mentioned is the revenue the guides and their clients bring into Myrtle Point and Coquille. I do agree that some limits need to be placed but don't agree with an all out ban.

Native of Coos Bay wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:30 AM:

Why ban motors? Why not try an on/off schedule such as the Lower Deschutes river has... then drifters can schedule their trips on motor-free weeks and outboarders can schedule theirs on the weeks that motors are allowed. No biggie!

Mark wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:35 PM:

I think they should ban motors, and limit the number of guides on the river.

Bob wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:51 PM:

Well kind of sounds like selfishness flows both ways to me. Why should guides that live in Roseburg dictate what happens in coquille? .. maybe there should be a compromise.. say limit motor boats during the steelhead run periods, since the rest of the year no one is on the river except for a few of us who like to fish for bass stripers and sturgeon, and then we cant use our motors either when there is no one to complain at all.... I agree that some boat operators are rude, but why punish everyone all the time for the few that will be just as rude no matter the limitations, that is just the way they are!

Jennifer C. wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:39 PM:

I have lived on the Southfork of Coquille all my life and this is what I would like to see:

1) Ban all the motors.

2) Have a lottery to fish on the river in a drift boat, with the exception of the land owners. (Of which I don't happen to be.)

I know there are drawings for special hunts so why can't we have a special fish permit. If you don't draw a permit you can fish from the bank like most of the people that live on the river. After all the fish aren't going to survive if this continues.

CB lifer wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:51 PM:

Too bad common courtesy no longer exists. If people were more considerate of others, things like this wouldn't happen.

David wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:36 PM:

I gave up fishing that stretch because of the recent growth of simple bad manners.

A few bad apples in their motorboats with no consideration of others is hogging the trough.

The peaceful quiet of fishing is being lost to loud, wake causing riverhogs.

These hogs see freedom as something they have without limits.

One person's freedom should not come at the expense of another's.

The simple act of storming through other fishermen's lines makes the issue simple. Boot 'em off the river for good.

Flyer wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:28 PM:

I've been there and seen it. Ban the boats with motors!

Nick wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:50 AM:

Motors aren't a bad thing to have on boats in many rivers... however, on that river, I agree with those who say that there should be a limit, to even a ban, on motorboats. If nothing else, a 5 MPH speed limit, similar to that of a no-wake zone, should be applied.

I'm sorry, but that fork of the Coquille is not the Rogue River... it's not much bigger than a creek. It isn't safe for anyone to be powering up and down the river, especially in congested areas. If a typical fisherman can cast from one bank to another, it's probably best not to have speeding boats go by.


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