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Old Fashion I guess wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:55 AM:
Here's a solution you should try. Why not stay home instead of going out to drink you life away, and spend time with family. Especially you children, so they don't grow up and repeat the same mistakes you are making right now? America's family value system is the problem. People always trying to pass the buck and blame. There are so many drug problems in this community, because parents don't give their children the support and attention they need, so they grow up being alcoholics and meth freaks. Take responsibility . The bartender shouldn't HAVE to babysit a bunch of grown adults, drink in moderation, have a good time and get ur butts home!!!!!!
Old Fashion I guess wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:50 AM:
Here's a solution you should try. Why not stay home instead of going out to drink you life away, and spend time with family. Especially you children, so they don't grow up and repeat the same mistakes you are making right now? America's family value system is the problem. People always trying to pass the buck and blame. There are so many drug problems in this community, because parents don't give their children the support and attention they need, so they grow up being alcoholics and meth freaks. Take responsibility . The bartender shouldn't HAVE to babysit a bunch of grown adults, drink in moderation, have a good time and get ur ass home!!!!!!
Coos Bay Resident wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:54 PM:
I agree with LETS BE REAL! Any bar owner should be held responsible for the safety of their patrons.They need to keep those those hormones in check, especially the women.(21-30 crowd) Let's all act like young adults when you go out on weekends,cause it would be so much nicer. If some one is a problem let the bouncer know, it's THEIR job. Be safe n have fun!
lets be real wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:00 AM:
So, I am sure that police actually have things to do. stopping dui drivers and meth labs ect. with times and the budget cuts..
I think the owners are responsiable I think you need to hire real security people with actual training and not some dude with the big arms and fat gut that thinks he is tough....Bartenders that can see that someone is intoxicated or becoming so.
You own a business that comes with great resposiabilites you knew that going in. OWN UP AND DO IT RIGHT.
I think the owners are responsiable I think you need to hire real security people with actual training and not some dude with the big arms and fat gut that thinks he is tough....Bartenders that can see that someone is intoxicated or becoming so.
You own a business that comes with great resposiabilites you knew that going in. OWN UP AND DO IT RIGHT.
Something wrote on Jul 15, 2008 4:37 AM:
I have seen on several occassions the "so called security" at Max's drag female patrons out by their throat. Why is that Mr.Clark? Maybe your security person should also spend the weekend at the Coquille Hilton as well, cause that is called assault. Don't even get me started on Gussie's There is only one bar here in Coos County that the bouncers can recognize a problem before it gets out of hand and the police need to be called. Patrons feel safe. I say pull the liqour permits of Gussie and Max's for 90 days. Thank you Chief Craddock and the Coos Bay Police Department for doing an awesome job in this community.
East Bay Drive wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:10 PM:
Yum yum, Gussies: Home of the best steak and eggs plus a made from scratch bloody mary!
Tammy W. wrote on Jul 10, 2008 1:05 PM:
This town really has nothing better to do then close down ANY facility that caters to the younger crowd. This town will always...and I mean always cater to the elderly that is here to retire. The elders are easier to control, not much violence there. I am almost wondering to myself...last time I checked...... the police department hires officers to enforce the laws right??? It's their freakin job! If a person gets out of hand at the local bars, options are send them to jail or give out a ticket and 3rd how about 86ing them out of the bar? Really why hold the bar owner responsible??? He is only guilty of trying to make a dollar just like everyone else in this town. Shut the bars down??? Well geez is that really the best answer for this town that can barely keep a small business owner's dream open longer than 6 months??? Come on people look to the past. Remember when The Coney Station was the worst place in town?? How about The Bank Brewery?? The Underground?? Everybody will always just move along..so really what is the city solving????? When you find out, let me know!!!
Big D wrote on Jul 2, 2008 12:35 PM:
My wife and I thought we would "check out" Gussies on a Friday night. As we pulled up to the back door, 4 "bikers" (sporting "colors") spilled out of the back door, brawling. These were NOT "young people". They were in their 40's. Gang activity is a problem in your community, and it is time to be proactive. A recent study conducted in Oklahoma City concluded that total gang membership in Oklahoma County represented less than 1% of the total population, but accounted for over 35% of reported crimes.
C wrote on Jun 30, 2008 8:32 PM:
Gussie's will always be Gussie's, despite the name change. It's got a reputation right up there with the Lazy J Motel.
Ust to live in Coos Bay wrote on Jun 30, 2008 11:32 AM:
I lived in Coos Bay for 13 years and Gussie was always a problem. One of my daughters said mom lets go out and I show you how the young people party. Will we barely got in the door and there was a fight and 1 of the bartender's said anyone who isn't sitting down will get shown to the door will we grabed a sit. To me some young people need to go ack to there parents and ask to be raise again the right way. I was a bartender for 10 years and never had fights in the 2 bars I worked in.
true wrote on Jun 28, 2008 1:41 PM:
True there is alot of trouble at these bars. I don't usaully go to them because of that. I like to have a good time when I drink. Not see fights!That said, I do not think closing them down will solve this problem. The people who cause the issues are still going to be here and they will still go out and drink. They will just go to different bars. Then in a year the police will say somewhere else has "The most problems with assults and fights." People just need to learn to grow up and have a good time. Life is too short to be angry with the world.
Pam in AK wrote on Jun 27, 2008 4:02 PM:
The more things change, the more they stay the same. It's amazing to see the mentality of Coos County residents...that somehow you're owed a lifestyle and a wage...heck lets throw in some medical insurance, free food and gas. Let's call it Russia. Dang it people, drink responsibly, take responsibility for your own actions at all times and get off your butt. If you don't like it, stop whining and get out. There IS life outside of Coos County. But if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Local Gal wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:07 PM:
To OutofTowner. Just let me know when and where you will be opening a new business. Though not much of a drinker I am one of only many bored young adults struggling just to be occupied in this town. With the right attitude and the right security, you can create a thriving business geared toward us 21-30 somethings. It's all about the mindset you use when you jump into creating a business. Keep it up!
.OUTOFTOWNER wrote on Jun 24, 2008 7:28 PM:
This is a great place to look for an idea to invest my out of town money. i have never heard more crying from people that have nothing better to do but get involved in a local business trying to make a living. could these clubs provide better security? probably,but in a town where the econimony struggles to survive the town should give these clubs a break and try to do more proactive and be a little less reactive. as a new member of this fine town i think i will go into the hospitality business. im thinking a club for the younger croud sounds like a good idea. all i see are dallor signs. remember this is a free country.
former bouncer wrote on Jun 23, 2008 2:54 PM:
I used to be a bouncer at a local bar here in Coos Bay. The funny thing is that most of the problem people become a problem when the bartender or the security cut them off. I cant tell you how many time I had to kick people out of the bar because they became irate over not being served anymore! Most people that frequent the local bars around here have one thing on there mind and that is getting wasted! Sad!!
Whateverrrrr wrote on Jun 23, 2008 12:19 PM:
Some of us grew up knowing that if we did things like break curfew, steal or anything like that, we got our butts beat. And we also learned that there are right things and wrong things and everyone does wrong things, but if you're going to do them, you're going to be punished. We aren't scarred for life. But we do know how to behave in public.
Whateverrrrrr wrote on Jun 23, 2008 12:18 PM:
It's not the establishment's fault and it's not the bartender's fault. It's the individual's fault. We grow up being responsible for our own actions, and if not, it's our parent's fault. This whole deal with "don't hurt the child's feelings" is what teaches young people to grow up and have no respect for other people and other property, therefore they go into public (bars, stores, etc) and steal, fight, and cause problems. They have grown up thinking that no one can tell them "no" or punish them for things because they're "being individual". Go back to allowing parents to spank Billy's little butt instead of ignoring his actions and when little Billy grows up, he will understand that he can't do these things and get away with it. The government needs to let us raise our kids, the police need to be able to enforce the laws that we teach our kids and the kids need to learn that once you are old enough to drink or do adult things, mommy can't hold your hand and kiss your boo boos anymore. It's not the bars, it's not the stores, it's not the businesses, it's the people.
Steve P. wrote on Jun 23, 2008 10:41 AM:
Gussie's is in the paper again, but it may be hard to find as it is listed as "Stray Kat's". So much for a change and this time it was a weapons violation.
To simplicity wrote on Jun 21, 2008 5:38 PM:
I agree that there needs to be some kind of solution but your suggestion definately isn't the way to go. The result of that would be that the bar would stop calling the police to avoid being fined.
I've been at many bars in this area where the only thing stopping a fight or assault (in which someone could get seriously injured) was the police showing up. I always felt bad the cops had to deal with the drunken idiots when really the bars had no business serving them to the point of intoxication. Although we're all 21 & older, where's the accountability of an adult not being able to control their own drinking. It's really just a no win situation for anyone. I have no problem with a few drinks for people out at a bar, but it's never just a few for most people in Coos County.
I've been at many bars in this area where the only thing stopping a fight or assault (in which someone could get seriously injured) was the police showing up. I always felt bad the cops had to deal with the drunken idiots when really the bars had no business serving them to the point of intoxication. Although we're all 21 & older, where's the accountability of an adult not being able to control their own drinking. It's really just a no win situation for anyone. I have no problem with a few drinks for people out at a bar, but it's never just a few for most people in Coos County.
Barview Brad wrote on Jun 21, 2008 3:12 PM:
"Just An Observer wrote on Jun 16, 2008 8:24 PM:Gussie's was a problem back when Gussie had it along with so many other bars back in the day."
Oh thank God, finally someone around here thats as old as me :)
I say step the patrols, exercise some curbside justice (cracked melons) and maybe just a little profiling and the problem will go away.
BTW: They still make a tasty Steak and Eggs along with a Bloody Mary on Sunday morning.
Tell the bartender you want the drink "made from scratch", you won't regret it :)
Oh thank God, finally someone around here thats as old as me :)
I say step the patrols, exercise some curbside justice (cracked melons) and maybe just a little profiling and the problem will go away.
BTW: They still make a tasty Steak and Eggs along with a Bloody Mary on Sunday morning.
Tell the bartender you want the drink "made from scratch", you won't regret it :)
Joe Sixpack wrote on Jun 21, 2008 12:18 PM:
Stop the police. They work for the public,If a business gets afraid to calling the law enforcement in fear of losing there license, They won't call! As for getting more calls to law enforcement , The public has more cell phones to call with, And with the close it down mentality, Shut down the highway too, Which they won't it makes them too much money to step on the the public! So don't stop looking over your shoulder it's only a mater of time be someone calls on YOU.
Cookie wrote on Jun 21, 2008 9:30 AM:
Here we go again! Somehow when a person gets drunk it is the responsibility of the store clerk or bar that sells the alcohol. How about making people responsible for their own behavior? How about more severe penalty for those who break the law and create the problem. Oh, but that would make too much sense, something that is taboo in Coos County!
Roger Craddock tried to get the college to pay more police because of the amount of calls. I hope he is not trying this with local business now. If we have a problem in this area with underage drinking, make those who break the law responsible and increase their fines to make up the difference needed in your budget!
Roger Craddock tried to get the college to pay more police because of the amount of calls. I hope he is not trying this with local business now. If we have a problem in this area with underage drinking, make those who break the law responsible and increase their fines to make up the difference needed in your budget!
Firedog wrote on Jun 21, 2008 8:27 AM:
Perhaps if the city councils of both Coos Bay and North bend would allow some industry and new businesses to come into town it would also produce more nightlife options for the 21-30 crowd. Taking away some ones liquor license isn't going to help. they will just find another bar in town and the same problems will happen there.
Rose wrote on Jun 20, 2008 5:10 PM:
Gussie's has always had problems and they've gotten worse thru the years. I don't even reside in Coos county but I still hear about the problems occuring at Gussie's, news travels clear up the coast about that place! It should have been closed years ago..
READER wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:30 PM:
COOS COUNTY IS THE ONLY PLACE I KNOW OF IN THE UNITED STATES THAT THE POLICE DO NOT DO "WALK-THROUGHS" EVERY HOUR ANYWAYS... IT IS ONLY A COURTESY THING THE DEPTS DO EVERYWHERE, NOT ONLY ARE THE PEOPLE AWARE THEY ARE THERE, THEY CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE IN THERE, AND WHAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO AFTERWARDS, AND IF COOS BAY WAS DOING ITS JOB, THEY WOULD ALREADY BE DOING THAT. IF THAT IS TOO MUCH FOR THEM TO HANDLE, THATS WHAT THE SHERIFFS OFFICE IS FOR, THEY ARE COUNTY, AND THE CITY IS IN THE COUNTY.... GET IT TOGETHER COOS COUNTY, DONT MAKE IT OUT TO BE LIKE CALIFORNIA!!!!!
Simplicity wrote on Jun 19, 2008 11:16 AM:
Fine the bar owner for every police trip over a set amount of trips each month. they get 5 calls, after that, its a hefty fine. I bet they change their business plan after a few fines.
Chet wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:15 PM:
Why not outlaw alcohol all together, oh yeah the country tried that already. It doesn't matter if you deny the bars thier liquer license. You will on ly hurt business owners. It's just like if you outlaw guns, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS! No matter what you do, drinking and partying people will continue to do it even if they have to do it elswhere. There would be an increase in police calls to private homes where the stabbings and shootings take place. Dancing drunks in the street next to you homes, how's that sound. At least in the bars there is some security that offers a little ordedr and protection for people.
Wes wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:03 AM:
When it comes to fights, drugs, and violence the bar owners should be held accountable. The owners should be hiring security personnel that is responsible and trained to see the signs of visibly intoxicated persons. The bar owners are responsible for the saftey of their guests. Maybe some stiff fines from OLCC and or a 30 day suspended licquor license would help motivate them.
OMG... wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:57 PM:
SO JUST SOLVE EVERYONES PROBLEM... THE SOLUTION... MAKE COOS COUNTY A DRY COUNTY... AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS... NO ALCOHOL... SELL NO ALCOHOL AT ANY OF THE BARS, OR STORES. AND YES, THERE IS SUCH A THING. ALOT OF STATES ARE THAT WAY. CHECK IT OUT. IF THEY WANT TO BUY ALCOHOL, THEY CAN GO TO COOS, JOSEPHINE, OR DOUGLAS COUNTY. LET IT BE THERE PROBLEM. YES, THERE ARE BARS IN DRY COUNTIES, BUT YOU PAY A FEE TO GET IN.. AND NO ALCOHOL IS SERVED. AND PEOPLE CAN STILL VISIT, DANCE, SING, MINGLE, AND HAVE FUN. YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIME.
Pretty Sad wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:41 PM:
We really do have way too many bars for such a small town. I do agree that there is just NOTHING here for 21 to 30 Yr olds to do. It's unfortunate that people resort to getting wasted for lack of anything else to do. I lived in Portland and you really don't see the fights and totally drunk people you see here. I think it's because people have other options for a Fri/Sat night..concerts, nice restaurants, clubs that have great music with large dance floors. Our bars really don't care about the dancing/music (note the tiny little dance floors). It's about selling mass amounts of alcohol. I guess we also should factor in the huge meth problem here. It's not just the alcohol making people act stupid at the bars.
Ignorance must be bliss wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM:
Jeez it seems that the people who don't wanna drink or dance in a social environment are the ones who want the bars shut down. Why is it that the people in our community think that the things that draw the younger crowd should just be closed and then the problem would be solved. I am sure that the entire world has some sort of crime and that all over the globe alchohol use in social settings can cause turmoil. I am sure that Coos Bay is not the only place with these issues. Try thinking outside the box for a solution because your ideas of patching the problem are not going to work. Remember it was not that long ago that we were seeing the same issue with a different name on the outside of the building. At least there is not police response for repeated MIP's and drunken car crashes. Pick your battles people it could be worse. I bet that WalMart calls the police alot for shop lifting, do they pay an extra fee if the police respond more than one time per month?
Finally wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:25 PM:
Thank god something will be done. Both of these trashy so called clubs are a huge problem. Such an embarassment to the community.
droregonbrat wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:06 PM:
I don't feel that closing the bars is the answer. I have been to Macs and I find it quite enjoyable. There are few places to go now to dance much less in a smoke free environment. People need to be responsible for their own actions. All bars that have music have problems. I have seen at other bars, the bartender or bouncer handle the situation and officers are not called; probably why there is not the record of calls on police logs. Again I say that closing the bars is not the answer.
Long time observer wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:05 AM:
I've been in this area for 10 years and have frequented all the bars commented about above (I remember when Coney Station used to have a dance club). Mak's isn't the root of the problem. People start at non-night club type bars early to only finish dancing the night away at one of the only places that caters to dancing. There is no "angry hateful music" played there. Top 40 hip-hop & R&B is the norm. The root of the problem is the horse blindered uncultured upbringing of the locals here. With only one place to converge, there's bound to be problems. I've been around the world twice, lived in Orlando, Chicago, Long Beach, & San Diego. More clubs that cater to dancing equals less concentration of narrow minded 21-25 year olds that are looking to fight. Answer is simple, don't close them down. Open more up and concentrate on the fact that people need to take responsiblity for their own actions (patrons).
SOMETHIN wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:47 AM:
Wow, I have never been so emberrassed to be a member of this community until reading some of the comments on this site. Quite the display of ignorance and stereotyping! How does one justify that the type of music one listens too affects their behavior???? I happen to listen to hip-hop and I enjoy Mak's and I have never had a problem with violence. It is a clean place where anyone in the community can go to have fun on the weekend. Does this mean that there are no problems there, nope! But I know for certain they are not the only two bars in town that overserve, problems at the other establishments are just not brought to the attention of local officials. Try re-thinking ignorant statements about people's taste in music, and lay the blame somewhere else. Hip Hop is a genre of music that expresses opinions and tells a story just like any other kind, it just doesn't tell your story....So get over yourself!
Biff wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:30 AM:
Yeah, Mac's is way to far away from the police department for the police to respond to. And, what are we saying here, that the police don't like actually doing their job? That they are "bothered" to much and have better things to do than to respond to criminal activity. Hhhmmm, our police have better things to do than fight crime... wow...
What Ever happened... wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:29 AM:
What ever happened to being personally responsible for being DRUNK and STUPID in public?? If the word got out that if you cause a problem while in an entertainment location,drunk or not, you WILL GO TO JAIL, AND DO PUBLIC SERVICE CLEANUP WHERE EVER THE CITY/COUNTY SEES FIT TO WORK YOU, I'll bet you the problem fixes itself. You have to be able to enforce it, and make it city policy. Taking away the locations has never solved the problem. It just moves to a location that is a longer drive home when drunk. Better, well trained security is the key. Educate the idiots doing the damage to what will happen when they screw up everyone else's fun. Make the consequences three times worse than the crime, and they will get the message. How about it, Chief Craddock?
Local Gal wrote on Jun 16, 2008 10:22 PM:
I for one have been to both establishments. Yes problems occur. here is the situation. A small town where not much exists to take the attention of the youger crowd. Both places seem to handle things as well as can be expected. The bars do make alot of money so implement a fee for them since they rely so heavily on the police. To close the doors would only send them to a new bar. They will find somewhere to go and it will continue. Fights happen with alcohol unfortuneatly around this town many like the bar atmoshpere and closing a few bars wont solve it.
Just An Observer wrote on Jun 16, 2008 8:24 PM:
Gussie's was a problem back when Gussie had it along with so many other bars back in the day. How many got closed down then for rowdy behaviors? If we had closed the bars down back then, we would have ZERO bars today as if one place closes down, the drunks will find another and the problems remain the same, meaning the solution of closing the bars will result in all of them going down the drain.
I'm sure the Mill Casino won't like it if their liquor license gets pulled as those folks will go there. It's not hip-hop music per se that causes the problems, it's twenty-somethings who could not legally drink until they were 21 getting the ya-ya's out of their system and learning lessons the hard way. You can bet if they had been getting drunk, puking their guts out and having their fights as teens, by the time they were in their 20's that they would be better behaved and acclimated to being intoxicated. Not so many problems happen with those in their 30's and older due to their experiences.
I'm sure the Mill Casino won't like it if their liquor license gets pulled as those folks will go there. It's not hip-hop music per se that causes the problems, it's twenty-somethings who could not legally drink until they were 21 getting the ya-ya's out of their system and learning lessons the hard way. You can bet if they had been getting drunk, puking their guts out and having their fights as teens, by the time they were in their 20's that they would be better behaved and acclimated to being intoxicated. Not so many problems happen with those in their 30's and older due to their experiences.
A wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:46 PM:
Local Concerned:
I can't believe you actually think that the music is causing the problems. I have two college degrees and listen to hip-hop music. I have never been arrested or in fights. The music has NOTHING to do with it. I am not sure your age but every generation has their own music taste. What about country music? What about hard rock? What about heavy metal?
Grow up and stop blaming it on the music.
I can't believe you actually think that the music is causing the problems. I have two college degrees and listen to hip-hop music. I have never been arrested or in fights. The music has NOTHING to do with it. I am not sure your age but every generation has their own music taste. What about country music? What about hard rock? What about heavy metal?
Grow up and stop blaming it on the music.
Close them down wrote on Jun 16, 2008 2:51 PM:
There are way to many bars in this area. People wonder why there are so many dui cases? To many bars and to many drunks!
Empire Resident wrote on Jun 16, 2008 2:11 PM:
Thank GOD! How much is it costing taxpayers to respond. At a minimum make John Pundt who has plenty of money pay for the security that is lacking and for each police call over one each month..
Local Gal wrote on Jun 16, 2008 1:28 PM:
I think not renewing the liquor licenses for these two businesses is not solving any problems whatsoever. If it came down to these places having to shut down, the "trouble" would only move elsewhere. It is not going to go away despite anybody's best efforts. Personally gussies I could care less about. That place is the worst kind of dive that attracts the worst kind of local trash. But Mak's is a good place where we local young adults can go and be young adults. If you close it down, we will only find another place to do it. It will be Jimmy's club all over again. I say renew the licence, don't take away one of the only things we have here. And ask yourselves, is Mak's really such a terrible place or do the local police just have an actual problem with doing their jobs?
Local concerned wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:43 PM:
Maybe these two establishments should try changing their entertainment. Every bar in town that has had that "hip-hop" dance music, has had problems with fights, assaults, etc. Granted, the younger crowd loves that type of music and they show up for it, but so do the problems. We listened to a bartender, at one of the bars listed above, tell visitors that for safety reasons, they should not come by on weekends because the crowd is too rough and things always get out of control. We're locals and we love to go out, but we stay away from the these two places simply because we like to go have fun, not to watch people fight. If you play angry hateful music about fighting and gangs, you're going to get angry fighting people in your crowd. The music influences moods and the alcohol fuels them.
Good idea wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:42 PM:
I hope they get shut down. They are both places where things get out of control fast. The bartenders dont watch how much you drink, espcially if you tip big!
tanzy wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:17 PM:
Bars everywhere have calls to the police. Especially bars with younger crowds, dance clubs, etc. They have closed down all the other hot spots in town, and apparently will continue to try for any future ones as well.
Bars should not be afraid to call the police because they will pull their license. When underground shut, there was an increase in calls to goonies and other bars not having as many problems now that the younger crowd has a place to go.
Bars are bars, and people get drunk there. Yes, they should not over serve, but there is a difference between one person not able to handle their liquor, needing intervention, and the bar not being able to control their crowd. It won't solve anything. They will just go elsewhere!
Bars should not be afraid to call the police because they will pull their license. When underground shut, there was an increase in calls to goonies and other bars not having as many problems now that the younger crowd has a place to go.
Bars are bars, and people get drunk there. Yes, they should not over serve, but there is a difference between one person not able to handle their liquor, needing intervention, and the bar not being able to control their crowd. It won't solve anything. They will just go elsewhere!
Steve P. wrote on Jun 16, 2008 11:35 AM:
Close 'em down. Mark's has been a problem since they opened and Gussie's took over Lindy's reputation as a dump and brawlers bar.
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