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Melvin wrote on Mar 15, 2008 5:48 PM:
I was here in the 70's. I trolled from Icy Point Alaska to San Francisco. Put in 25 years on the Pacific, so I have seen the hay day of the Fleets, both Troll and Recreational. I also have seen the take over of the Stocks by Environmentalists and Enviro Scientists from OSU, U of W and Humboldt State. I went through the failing Initiative Wars in Washington State and saw the pathetic attempt by Retired WDF employees and Recreational fishing groups to eliminate Seining and Gillnetting on Puget Sound and the Columbia. I know who the players are and what their ambitions are, but I see further into the future at least for Oregon a fine Coho and Chinook Ocean fishery that would support both Recreational and Trollers, with a World renown inside fishery in our Coastal Streams if the fishermen would just get together. How many ODFW employees are working on removing the 800 or more blocked streams and creeks flowing into the Wilamette above the falls? I think none! The Grand Ronde Tribe had returns of coho that were 10 % of all the coho that passed Willamette falls in 2007. This return of coho returned to Agency Creek, but the powers to be at ODFW and the panderers to the Portland Fleet press on with this Springer mentality.
Get OSU out of the Salmon Business on the Alsea. Dump the WILD Fish Policy as it is clearly not working and lets get those Environmentalists that continue to File Suits out in the field. I know Tillamook watershed and Coquille watershed could use come good ole boys from Earthjustice, Oregon Wild, Sierra Club, Oregon Trout, Audubon. Sierra Club claims 20,000 members in Oregon alone. We never see them except in meetings, never practicing what they preach.
Gene the Hay Day is gone, but a future of Salmon is still on the horizen if some common sense is introduced into the equation.
See ya
Mel
Peter wrote on Mar 15, 2008 2:41 PM:
Gene wrote on Mar 14, 2008 8:20 PM:
Jim wrote on Mar 14, 2008 5:43 PM:
I read your article about the proposal for no Chinook season in OR/CA in 2008.
Your description of the PFMC meeting this week in Sacramento was one of the best that I have read. Reading it made me feel like I was there, hearing and watching the meeting and participants.
I am a veteran of over 150 PFMC meetings and know nearly all of the players, the commercial fishers, the recreational fishers, the Council members, the Salmon Advisory Subpanel members, and staff.
I've experienced the good and bad of many salmon season-setting processes.
I can still remember 1994 when there was a closure for much of the ocean fisheries.
I had a lot of first hand experience with the recent Klamath River fall chinook levels below the spawning escapement floor of 35,000 and its impacts on all the fishers, ocean and in-river.
I feel for the ocean fishers as the 2008 salmon season setting process continues. I wish that I were there to help them in any way that I could. It certainly was not my choice to leave the PFMC process nearly two years ago.
I have witnessed salmon stocks rebound from very low abundances in the past and hope that the Sacramento River fall chinook will make a rapid recovery.
Melvin wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:06 PM:
It is obvious if anyone takes the time to review the last 8 years of data provided by the PFMC that something was wrong. The spawner abundance was in a strong downturn up and down the West Coast.
The Salmon Technical Team (STT) hasn't followed or reviewed their own reports. Yes they hold a meeting in winter to fill in the data charts. The (STT) Biologists and Bio-Matritions with PHD's who are suppose to be the cream of the crop would have seen the handwriting on the wall if they really "Reviewed" their own data. Right had dowen't know what the left hand is doing in this good ole boys club.
The STT appears to have become the "Policy Team" for NMFS rather than the Scientists they claim to be.
When NMFS & CDF&G can write up a Computer Model for Sacramento Fall Chinook (with little or no review by the Science and Statistical Committee/PFMC) on paper and not even have it available for the Salmon Advisors let alone the PFMC members to review is tells you that they (STT) are guessing. They guess every year and it finally caught up with them.
Salmon Trollers have been given an option of NO FISHING as has Recreational for 2008.
Magnuson/Stevens Act provides for Disaster Aid if a Fishery Failure is declared by USDOC/NMFS. This is not a "Handout" this is Federal Law! Perhaps the Commercial Passenger Vessels (Charter Boats) and Support Industries should be included?
As far as the Commercial Salmon Troll Industry being over I think not. As far as Recreational Fishing and their Support Industries they might just have to feel a little more pain than recent seasons have provided. Believe me there has been a lot of pain these last few years.
All Fishermen should get together, get on the same page and form a coalition similar to the one the Salmon Trollers and Klamath Farmers did in 2006. One voice would go along way to solving the Salmon issues.
See ya
Mel
Gene wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:28 AM:




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