Storms uncover mystery shipwreck

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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 | 88 comment(s)

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Talk to any locals and they’ll say plenty about this winter’s storms. There haven’t been many winters like this, they’ll say.

The big waves.

The heavy rains.

“I don’t remember this much wind and rain,” said Jack Hammar, as his pickup truck bounced and bumped on Coos Bay’s North Spit.

It was Saturday. He was leading a caravan of family and acquaintances packed into two 4-wheel-drive pickup trucks and a Jeep. They scooted along the seawall road toward the beach to investigate a mystery ship.

Sure, elderly people who’ve lived here forever will say there have been similar winters. But when it comes to the shipwreck, ask the folks who’ve played on the North Spit for decades and they’ll tell you they’ve never seen one quite like this.

This season’s wind and waves have shifted a mountain of sand day after day, uncovering the 35-foot-long bow of wooden-hulled vessel.

“We’ve been out several times and seen it over the last month or so,” Hammar said.

At first, there was just a tip. Then, storm after storm, the ship materialized into the present, as fast it seems, as people’s memories of it faded away.

Massive mystery

“I’ve been coming out here since I was old enough to remember — about 6 years old,” said Hammar.

“I’ve never seen this up until this winter.”

But he’s only 47.

It’s south of the New Carissa chunk. Week after week, the foredune has slipped away.

“This thing is built on such a massive scale. It blows my mind,” Hammar said.

The ship’s sides protrude up from the sand below a towering foredune. They’re more than a foot thick. Vertical timbers that run through the walls are lined on both sides by planking. All are tied together with iron bars and pins. There appear to be square portholes cut through the sides every six feet or so.

Curved chair-sized ribs rise out of the sand on the insides anchored by more iron bars, but the top deck is gone. It was a two-deck vessel. A schooner at least for a time. But its use is unclear.

Local historians have no idea whose ship it was or when it ran aground — at least not yet.

The historians

“It seems to be from the late 1800s and early 1900s. There’s some evidence it was a sailing ship, but then there’s some evidence it was converted to a coastal barge,” said Steve Samuels, BLM’s cultural resource coordinator.

There’s a small pipe in one side that appears to be from a bilge pump. He estimated another 15 feet of the keel rests deep in the sand.

The archaeologists were beside the vessel first sign of low tide Monday afternoon — Samuels and Reg Pullen of BLM, also Oregon State Parks’ Calum Stevenson.

They say there are ways to guess a ship’s age.

It appears possibly to have been built with some Douglas fir, which would be indicative of the Pacific Northwest. There were ship building outfits small and large up and down the Oregon and California coasts, including at Coos Bay and North Bend.

Long rectangular metal chain plates run up the hull sides where lines would have been attached to hold the masts. While it’s wood, there are the iron bars bubbled with rust that run through the sidewalls. There also are hexagon spikes and even newer rounded nails in the vessel sides. The planking is grouted.

All wooden ships had some sort of caulking, Stevenson explained.

“Older ships had a cotton and then a kind of tar pitch liquid that was put in,” he said.

Later, shipbuilders employed a white leaded paste.

“It looks like a white lead paste kind of caulking on this ship, so that would probably date it to the 19th century,” Stevenson said.

The bow points bow west to the ocean, which is unusual for shipwrecks. It’s on a legally fuzzy dividing line between Oregon State Parks and U.S. Bureau of Land Management jurisdiction. There are no plans at this point to save it.

“Once it’s been exposed like it is, it’s going to deteriorate fairly rapidly,” Samuels said.

The records

Some have speculated the vessel is part of the Czarina that foundered on the Coos Bay Bar and drifted north toward Horsfall 98 years ago. But that ship was metal-hulled. Others have suggested it’s the lumber-carrying C.A. Smith, which ran aground and broke up at the North Jetty in 1923.

Dreamers would like to have it be the historically rich Captain Lincoln. In January 1852, that wood-hulled ship ran ashore at the Coos Bay estuary. There were no jetties protecting the treacherous bar then. The ship was bringing supplies to military outposts in the Oregon Territory. The crew spent four months camped on the spit trading with local Indians. But this shipwreck evidence doesn’t point that way.

And there may not be much time for on-the-sand research.

For a hundred years, or more, it’s been preserved in hard-packed sand and protected by the salt water. But now, exposed to the air, worms and other small critters will get at it, not to forget the waves that slam logs and debris daily into the splitting wood with the coming and going of the tide.

Come March 15, the end of the spit, the dry sand portion and upland will be closed for the six-month snowy plover breeding season. There won’t be special permits for archaeologists. Come September, they will have the short window before winter to learn all they can about the ship.

“We would appreciate any marine architects with historical knowledge to contact us. It might have been something that was built here, but we don’t know,” Samuels said.

And locals, too, are encouraged to share their historical knowledge and stories.

No money to save it

On Saturday, Hammar and his wife, Beth Burback, also brought along Lillas Bledsoe. The 82-year-old Hauser resident rode along to see if the shipwreck was one she remembered from years ago. Bledsoe was born and grew up in North Bend.

After the war, she recalled, her ex-husband “Babe” Johnson, and five other men took a mule team out on the spit. They towed a wagon to salvage lumber from a wrecked barge. That was maybe 1946 or 1947.

On Saturday, she calmly poked around the shipwreck. She sniffed at the splintered wood. “Sea rot,” she said.

“No, this isn’t the one,” she said of the shipwreck.

She said she might have recalled seeing it those many years ago covered with sand. Then again, maybe not.

There are no nameplates left. As yet, no identifying marks from craftsmen show. No historical accounts seem to refer to it. There aren’t pages of news stories chronicling it, as there are about the New Carissa stern shadowed by surf spray farther north up the beach.

Salvors plan to remove that steel-hulled wood chip ship that ran aground eight years ago yesterday. The state has $16 million to do it.

“If this were the Capt. Lincoln, we would be able to find the money to save it,” Samuels said.

That irony isn’t lost on the locals and the historians. They have been visiting this site day after day, trying to learn all they can about this mystery shipwreck that seems destined to fade away.
Do you know?


People with possible historical information about the shipwreck are encouraged to contact:


• Steve Samuels, district cultural resource coordinator with the local U.S. Bureau of Land Management Office, by calling 756-0100; or


• Calum Stevenson, Oregon Parks & Recreation Department coastal coordinator, at 888-3778.


• Anne Donnelly, executive director at the Coos Historical and Maritime Museum, at 756-6320.
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TRUCKER wrote on Dec 29, 2008 7:00 PM:

TO SNOW WHITE: You are amazing; why in the world would you use this very interesting and fascinating subject to interject a political hate comment about Americans who voted for McCain?

coosbaynative wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:03 PM:

heres an idea lets move all of our panhandlers to the sight of the shipwreck and then we can see two things that dont work

ann wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:24 PM:

lets forget about removing the new carressa lets spend the money on the new shipwrecks. would be nice if there is a way of removing them and put in the pioneer museum in North Bend or create a new museum just for the shipwrecks. understand there has been a couple new ships discovered lately. lets remove them and get them in to a local display area.the new carressa is not hurting anything just leave it there.

PRESERVATION for ship NO RULES wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:48 PM:

If the forest service and blm try to stop the puplic from saving this due to some bird nesting or any other reason they sould be sued for it. They think that ====all their jobs will go away if they dont protect all living things in the state and they are correct====, be careful as we will be paying them to go to the site to see this and they will want to make it into a pay to see it, pay attraction, so they can make more money off of it.. I for one have seen all the dumb reglations they put out on fires, in the state, most made no real thinking, just keep the control of the area with no regaurd for fire fighters lives just save a bug or to ie "don't use this water on the fire it has a spore in it" (have to drive 5 miles narrow winding rd)to get water at a point where the same stream feed into a larger stream, one is cant drive on this rd "the bark off the trees have a moth egg on it" and you need to go around this area and the rd you have to take is on a cliff very steep and large rocks very dangerous to drive, but had to do it. one brife was after we lost a fire fighter to a tree falling during the night shift next moring they handed out pink flagging with blue dots and asked us to listen for the sound of the spotted owls and flage the area we heard it in with the flagging asked us to tie it in a upward angle pointed towards the direction we heard the owl "they had a quiet time to say a prayer for the fire fighter and his family" DONT LET THEM MESS THIS SITE UP GET THE LOCALS TO SAVE IT WITHOUT LETTING THE FOREST SERVICE OR BLM MESSING THIS UP IT IS OUR HISTORY NOT THE BIRDS

GIGGEDYGIGGEDY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 9:03 PM:

Honestly i dont think it is the olson..They say it ran aground in 1944?than 1947 they got a picture of it..and it was torn up and that deep under the sand? I was doing some research on the ss George L. Olson and came upon a story stating where it ran aground at..and it was nowhere near here.

KAHUNA wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:40 PM:

I WONDER IF ANYBODY CARES THAT MY BUDDIES AND I DRESS UP AND PLAY PIRATES OF THE CARRIBBEAN ON OUR NEW FOUND BLACK PEARL

I'm no Ship Builder wrote on Feb 15, 2008 12:56 PM:

I'm no ship builder, but it appears that the prow of the Sujameco is much sharper than the photos of the ship mired in the sand. The construction looks to be similar to the Advent. Just my two cents' worth.

JJrunner wrote on Feb 15, 2008 11:50 AM:

I like 'Snow White's' curiosity and sense of wonder. 'Common Sense' needs to lighten up..

Snow white wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:20 AM:

Common Sense....Aww It makes me sad that you are so bitter toward the people of this beautiful place. Maybe you are just too young or are unaware of the hard work and sacrifices that went into making this area.
Yes, there is a meth problem here but it has improved since they changed the way it's purchased. There is probably an even bigger alcohol problem. If there is nothing you can do about it, don't let it overshadow the good things in your life. If it bothers you that much then do something about it, you can find a way. Make a few phone calls to find out what you can do.
Doesn't it fill your imagination wondering about this ship? Did it carry lumber or coal or maybe produce? Was this ship built in North Bend? Was it by Asa Simpson's builders or Kruse and Banks? Who was the captain of this ship? What places did he get to see during his voyages. Was his route between here and San Francisco or did he experience other interesting ports. Who were the crew members? Did they have family that they kissed goodbye when they left Coos Bay? What happened that day that they wrecked? Was it a storm or miscalculation? How many crew members were there and how many survived? Did the captain make it or did he go down with the ship? When did it wreck, was it 1899 or or 1919 or another year? And finally, can it be saved, should it be saved or should it be recorded with its co-ordinates and left to be covered over again for another generation to find it again?
If it doesn't interest you at all thats ok, you don't have to be interested. Realize though, that so many of the rest of us are and would like to know more about it. If your imagination isn't the least sparked by this find then I feel kind of sad for you.
I hope you can change your focus and are able to stop trying to belittle others to make yourself feel better.

Tired wrote on Feb 14, 2008 8:06 PM:

USS Niki Wittey-sink her ship

CJ wrote on Feb 14, 2008 7:09 PM:

I can't believe they are not planning on saving this ship. This attitude is exactly why wonderful mansions and historic buildings all over the U.S. are no longer standing while other countries have historic places 1000's of years old. How very pathetic Coos Bay is for letting this slip away. Shame on all of you!

Thomas Paine wrote on Feb 14, 2008 4:48 PM:

Common Sense seems to be one of the individuals responsible for perpetuating the stereotype that nothing good can come out of this community. Indeed, you are partially responsible for the same ignorance you detest!

In fact, mocking those who are interested in this ship's reappearance is simply a way to try to keep the "ignorant" masses from exploring and discovering; indeed, it's a way to attempt to make these people ignorant!

These are the people that are keeping our intelligent youth away, by keeping any and all decent-paying jobs away. I mean, few of the best and brightest of our high school or college students come back to the Bay Area, save for more than a quick visit, because there is no opportunity in this town! The few who do seem to have trouble finding jobs that suit their skills, as the few jobs that open up are typically service jobs, at or near minimum wage, to keep the folks like Common Sense happy and their prices low. These are the people who are attempting to push away the hard-working, blue-collar individuals that built and maintained the Bay area for a century and a half. Methinks these are the people who stand to gain the most from the absence of intelligence and hard-work, because these are the people who are using the meth addictions to earn cash (the housing prices in this area, and the number of vacant homes, can provide evidence to that fact).

Mitch wrote on Feb 14, 2008 1:52 PM:

Is it by any chance the SS Minow??

Common Sense wrote on Feb 14, 2008 12:40 PM:

Snow Whites and Dwarfs:
First of all this a community full of ignorce and meth. Every day I read through tons of cases of drug abuse ext. Typical for this town. Now a shipwreck has been revealed and, the same typical non sense of this community is following it.WOW! a "shipwreck" or WOW! a "spaceship". Its the same reaction with this town. Get a life people...

DOPEY wrote on Feb 13, 2008 11:46 PM:

Grumpy: I was thinking more of the Japanese of the 1920's and 1930's and the 1940's as a pattern for the Chinese in the next 20 to 30 years. I don't have to be clairvoyant to expect history to repeat itself. Sorry if you thought I meant it would be this summer.
Remember, they have nuclear capability and we don't check incoming shipping containers very closely. The fact that they have not invaded Formosa is not an indicator where they will go someday. If one hides in the brush along the road one will surely get run over. The eventual loser will be the guy who thinks the other guy will play fair. The cliches could go on forever but some of us just will never get it.

Grumpy wrote on Feb 12, 2008 3:49 PM:

...and another thing. Your original post said when you vote for the NEXT president think about tanks etc...so don't try and act like you were suggesting some distant future events. And who exactly are these people who "trust" the Chinese?

Grumpy wrote on Feb 12, 2008 2:32 PM:

Dopey: I didn't realize I was talking to Nostradamus. There are always paranoids talking about the economic and/or military takeover of the U.S. In the 50s-80s it was the Soviet union. In the 80s-90s it was the Japanese with their monster economy and their technological superiority. In the 90s it was the Indians with their emerging educated class, technological superiority, and 1 billion citizens. The only constant through all those time periods is the continued growth of the U.S. economy and military might. I am not suggesting that the U.S. is gonna dominate the world for eternity, but I don't think our collapse is imminent. I certainly don't think that you have any special knowledge of the long term future. The naysayers will eventually get it right...after all a broken clock is correct twice a day. Also, I would never vote for a Democrat...that doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

To all of you saying this isn't the correct forum...all discussion threads are dynamic entities that go where they go. It does not matter what the original subject matter was. If you aren't interested in off-topic posts don't read them. No one is forcing you.

Coos Bay Citizen wrote on Feb 12, 2008 1:08 PM:

Grumpy...pleeeze don't confuse me with Dopey! I in absolutely zero ways standby anything he/she said. I referred to the "chinese overlords" simply in terms of as they acquire more of our money, we then have been borrowing it back from then in increasing amounts and they now hold a substantial amount of our debt. How many times have you told your banker what to do?
That being said, Thundering Shores is right. There are more appropo forums and articles for discussing politics.

Dopey wrote on Feb 12, 2008 12:24 PM:

Dear Grumpy, I am not surprised to hear your comments. The Chinese "problem" is not going to go away by ignoring it and looking no further than the end of your nose. I am looking ahead. The Chinese will be the next nation who feel they need to conquer the earth and we will be their first target. Maybe not this summer, but it will happen. What do you care? Apparently you figure you won't be here. Go ahead and vote for the weak party that will sell the U.S. out by trusting people who have a history of not be trustworthy. Just remember there were those of us trying to warn and inform.

THUNDERINGSHORES wrote on Feb 12, 2008 11:01 AM:

Don't forget that you're commenting to an article about a harmless mystery ship...and NOT about the war, politics, China, the election, or our troops, (which we all do support)...save such comments for the articles that relate to those subjects.

snow white wrote on Feb 12, 2008 10:32 AM:

Dopey,
You may see them as old timbers but there are stories in that old wood...hopefully somebody can identify the ship so we can hear them.

Grumpy,
And here I thought Dopey was typical of McCain supporters.

Grumpy wrote on Feb 12, 2008 9:57 AM:

Dopey: You certainly chose the correct name for yourself. Sounds like you are the one that "needs to keep things in perspective". Do you really think the Chinese are going to risk their emerging economy, years of economic reforms, and attempted legitimazation by staging the summer olympics to launch an invasion of the U.S. mainland? I assume you are also the one commenting about our "Chinese overlords" on the Home Depot story? The Chinese are hardly a military or economic threat to us. Their economy is growing, but their GDP is only 3.42 trillion, compared to 13.8 trillion for the U.S. With the global economy the world markets went into freefall last month over the hint that the U.S. MAY BE going into a recession. Could you imagine what an invasion of the U.S. mainland would do to the worldwide markets, and subsequently China's emerging, but still small, economy? China does not even have the stones to retake a disputed island right off their own coast (Taiwan). Many people get all worked up about our trade deficit with China, which was 230 billion last year. That sounds like a lot, but in the face of our 13 trillion dollar economy it is a pittance. And what exactly is reflected in that trade deficit? Cheply produced piece of junk salt and pepper shakers, toys, clothing etc... Who cares?

Our grandchildren ARE going to live in a very different world. That is the nature of progress. Are you suggesting that modern day U.S. is some utopia that has to be preserved whole cloth?

I am certainly no Billary or Barack Hussein Obama supporter, but your paranoid rantings are hardly helpful to McCain's cause. A little walk on the beach with some fresh air and sunshine to investigate a piece of local history may help to give YOU some perspective.

shipwrecksarecool wrote on Feb 11, 2008 7:00 PM:

Responding to Walker. I went to the ship yesterday. YES, you need a 4-wheel drive to get out there and regardless of what you hear, it is definitely a FOUR mile walk in and out on a sand road. You cannot cut across anywhere as the area is governed and protected by the BLM. (They were uniformed and on-site to direct us to the sand road that takes you out there.) You come to the New Carissa first. The other ship wreck is about a mile south of there and you can go via the beach shore or sand road, either of which is the same distance. There are several 4-wheel drive vehicles out there and friendly passers often will offer a ride! Trust me, you don't want to walk unless you allow a few hours to get in and a few hours to get out (before dark). Note, access to the site closes March 15 for the breeding (bird) snow plovers.
It is worth the trip though!

Walker wrote on Feb 11, 2008 3:19 PM:

We have to walk as I have no 4-wheel drive vehicle. Last time we parked just off the paved road across from I believe a lumber mill. It was about a 2-1/4 mile walk each way to the New Carissa. ISLANDGIRL said it is about .8 mile further south to this new wreck.

Question: Can you continue further south on the paved road past the mill, park and then walk west towards the North Spit and save considerable walking distance? If so, is there a similar parking area as there is across from the mill?

NewsReader wrote on Feb 11, 2008 1:47 PM:

It seems to me that there could be a special permit despite plover season. The plovers are being protected because there has been a general harrassment of nesting pairs throughout the entire spit. I think people may be jumping to conclusions about asking for a specific permit for one small area. If they were removing the Carissa they'd get a permit, you can be sure.

NewsReader wrote on Feb 11, 2008 1:44 PM:

The Oregonian had an interview with a local citizen, Jack Long, who said he had seen it with his father, as a boy, and his father found a plate saying "George E. Long". He remembered it because of the last name match.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1202358315167590.xml&coll=7&thispage=2

Has anyone followed this up?

IslandGirl wrote on Feb 11, 2008 10:47 AM:

I live in Medford, but was over in North Bend visiting some friends this weekend. We drove down on Sunday to take a look at the newly uncovered shipwreck.

To answer the questions of those that want to know where it is:
I'm not from the area, but went down with some friends. We took the road out to North Spit and followed it out toward the New Carissa. The shipwreck is about .8 miles south of the New Carissa. (according to the Ranger who gave us a brochure on the area on our way in) It is a rough road, which absolutely requires 4 wheel drive. There were a few ATVs out there, but all vehicles must stay on the road. It would be quite a long walk to get out there, though we did see a few people walking, as well as a couple on horses making their way to the ship. Also, a few nice people let some people that were walking hop into the backs of their pickups.

There were a bunch of trucks parked along the left side of the road and a stream of people heading out to the site, which is how we knew we had found the right spot. You walk out a ways across the sand and come to a sand cliff that drops down about 15 to 20 feet. We were able to slide down the sand cliff and go check out the ship up close and personal. It was high tide, so we had to jump up onto the logs that are washed up inside the ship to avoid the waves that came in every couple minutes. It looks like it is easier to explore during low tide. And getting back up the sand cliff takes a bit of effort.

There's not a whole lot of the ship uncovered, but it's an interesting piece of history and worth seeing for the curious. Got some cool photos to take home. Go while you can before the area is closed off on March 15th for Snowy Plover season.

The park Ranger who greeted us on our way in said that at least 1,000 people had made the trek down there this past weekend!

glassgow gal wrote on Feb 11, 2008 12:11 AM:

save the old ship, leave the new carissa where it is. use the 16 millon to save our myssssstery ship.

DOPEY wrote on Feb 10, 2008 10:37 PM:

Yes, I am referring to one of Snow White's little guys, not one of Coos County's underachieving folks who think the whole world hates them and owes them a living - or more. It is my fault and your fault that the BLM (Bureau of Largess and Mismanagement) has a "cultural guy" . Wow, an old wreck on the North Spit. Earthshaking.
You folks need to say a prayer for our military troops who are protecting your right to get all worked up about such a completely ridiculous subject. Lets try to keep this in perspective. Are you going to go out and help dig it up?
Why not spend that time, effort and money helping a human being with something they cannot handle. Get a life. It is great to see people discover a part of history that has been neglected and/or forgotten. It bears repeating that history repeats itself, only the wise don't forget and learn and plan ahead. When you vote for the next President try to visualize a tank rolling down your street, shooting really loud rounds through your neighbors' homes. Check out that aircraft dropping bombs on downtown. What's that? Chinese troops just landed at Bastendorf? Get yourself involved in somethig important, forget that pile of old timbers on Horsfall. Leave it alone, just knowing about it is enough.
Vote for the candidate who will keep the U.S. intact. We do not want to join with Mexico and/or Canada. We need English to be the only language of our country, and preferably the world (try flying internationally on an airline that does not use english-speaking pilots). We need immigrants to become U.S. citizens and participate not only in the benefits of citizenship but also the obligations. It ain't all gravy and if a majority of us don't start believing that then our grandchildren etc will definitely live in a very different world. You're stupid if you trust the other folks in the world. The folks who would take your country and your freedom. The only people who can be trusted is US. The only thing all of those folks will understand will be power. Think, vote. No, I am not talking about Obama or Clinton. Mr. McCain is the only possibility...

Texan-Far-From-Home wrote on Feb 10, 2008 10:17 PM:

Would love to go take a look with my family. Not to familiar with the area. Can someone tell me how to go about getting there? Another article said to go to Horsfall? and walk to it, anyone know how long a walk it will be since we will have small children with us. Where do you park and get permit? Thanks!

SHIPWRECK SHAWN wrote on Feb 10, 2008 5:18 PM:

To everyone who's writing to complain that nobody's attempting to save this great find...I suggest getting up off of the computer and spearheading our own campaign to get it done. Don't sit around waiting for someone else to do the dirty work.

Coasties Now In Seaside wrote on Feb 9, 2008 9:13 PM:

Wish we were still in the area, would love to go look at the ship. If the bow is 30-35' one can only imagine how large the whole thing has to be! It has to be at least 180 plus people..
Is there time to dig it out? There is people in the area who will help, ask and they will come. Put the word out and they will also come from along the other Coastal cities, we too will drive down as well. I agree, our history is so important to each of us and as we grow older, only then do we seem to realize that it seems. Retired Veterns here but love to ride the dunes and gladly give time up to help if it is needed.

coosbaylass wrote on Feb 9, 2008 10:06 AM:

Thanks for the comment and I knew it started with a S..

Really Curious wrote on Feb 9, 2008 2:37 AM:

All I can find on exact location is that it is south of the New Carisa wreck. Also a mention that it is 4 miles from the road... anyone got any better instructions? some cordinates maybe? I don't have an ATV or truck that could make the trek, any other ideas on a good way to get there? atv rentals?

Thunderingshore wrote on Feb 8, 2008 10:59 PM:

Hey SANDYFOOT,

Unfortunately, it is not the Czarina. The Czarina was a steel hull ship...a good guess though. And, to COOSBAYLASS's comment to you. COOSBAYLASS is NOT correct. The ship on the beach at Horsfall is NOT the Czarina, it is actually the Sujameco that ran aground in March of 1929. I have attached a link for you to read.
Sorry you were mis-informed by COOSBAY LASS.

http://www.wholeshebang.com/WreckofSujameco.htm

true outdoorsman wrote on Feb 8, 2008 9:16 PM:

Another cool surprise from mother nature. Makes you wonder what else is underneath our feet doesn't it? Of course if it's anything living then people like DUNEIT will want to kill it. I'm always impressed by others who have to prove themselves by taking on helpless creatures 1/50th his size. FACT: In 1970 there were 73 breeding sites on the West Coast. In 2005 there were only 28 nesting sites remaining in CA, OR and WA according to US Fish & Wildlife Service. As the Good Book says, we are to be stewards of the earth. In the meantime we have another treat awaiting us on our beach excursions!

This is exciting wrote on Feb 8, 2008 8:31 PM:

Sandrailer...it does look like the Advent, but everything I have read says that it broke apart south under the Sunset cliffs.It was 35 ft wide...I thought somebody thought this ship might be wider than that. Maybe the bow floated north? The C.A.Smith did wreck on the north jetty...maybe it is it?

Ship Name: Advent

-mm/dd/yyyy: 02/16/1913

Description: Wooden Hull- 3 Masted

Lat:

Long:

Last Known Location: Oregon

Vessel Type: Schooner

Nationality: American

O/S File:

Data:
431 tons. 151.5ft x 35ft. Stranded at South Spit, Coos Bay Bar. Crew of 8 rescued. Bound Stanta Rosalia to Coos Bay in ballast. C/O M Eaton. Built in 1901 at North Bend, OR, for Simpson Lumber Co.



C.A. Smith

The 275-foot, 1,878-ton C.A. Smith, built by Kruse and Banks in 1917, was carrying 1.5 million feet of lumber when it ran aground on the North Jetty at Coos Bay on Dec. 16, 1923. Of the 14-member crew, 10 were saved.


Duneit -CRUSH THE PLOVER! wrote on Feb 8, 2008 7:24 PM:

Think sandrailer is right. Might be The Advent. Nice job. Looks very close with the construction, portals and boardwidth, and look at the date and location.
Hey, anyone care for some Plover-on-a-stick? Or maybe just a good old fashioned Plover barbeque/roast over at Briteleafs place. Any takers?

Sandrailer wrote on Feb 8, 2008 7:03 PM:

http://www.boatingsf.com/photopage.php?photo=845&boat=84

Its not impossible this is THE ADVENT- this photo shows a very similar construvtion and porthole pattern- Also the location of its demise is suspect...

Joe six pack wrote on Feb 8, 2008 1:07 PM:

It is the remains of a barge that moved rock to build the jetties. I was told this in the 1970,win it was uncover for a time. the holes in the side are drains for the deck.Please leave tax money out of it!

DUNE IT wrote on Feb 8, 2008 12:19 PM:

does anybody else think that the portholes on the ship look like cannon holes? or how about the "captian lincoln" as a possibility? its a shame that oregon is willing to put out so much money for the new carissa, which isn't in the way of anything. don't even get me started on the snowy plover situation....outdoorsman, i love your comment.

Shipwreck? wrote on Feb 8, 2008 10:43 AM:

is it possible this shipwreck was PLACED there to stabilize the dune for some reason?

shadow wrote on Feb 8, 2008 6:14 AM:

On Feb 6 MLM mentioned that one Susan Chambers had more photos of the wreck. Any chance of getting access to those online or through direct contact?

coosbaylass wrote on Feb 8, 2008 2:53 AM:

hey SANDYFOOT,

The CZARINA is the vessel that comes up at Horesfall during the winter, and she was a Steel ship..

Forsey wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:24 PM:

Is it The Black Pearl?

m00npenny wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:01 PM:

Take some money from the Carissa project and save this ship. The fact that they have slated several million dollars to remove the Carissa ship, means alot of people are being WAY overpaid!

sandfoot wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:16 PM:

i don't know anything about history but i wonder if this could be the czarina
it got beached on the spit around 1910


3 shipwrecks on horsefall beach maybe change the name to shipwreck beach :)

OUTDOORSMAN wrote on Feb 7, 2008 1:35 PM:

SNOWY PLOVER APPETIZERS:

Marinate Plover breasts in your favorite Italian dressing (we like virgin olive oil and vinegar) for at least 4 hours. Wrap Bacon strip around each Plover breast and secure each with a toothpick. Place hot grill and cook for appoximately 8 to 10 minutes, turning often or until center is pink.

COASTAL PRIDE wrote on Feb 7, 2008 1:33 PM:

I hope everyone goes out to the North Spit to see this ship and the New Carissa. Someday state parks and BLM with have the whole Oregon Coast shut down because of marine reserves,Snowy Plover and maybe something else by that time. BLM usaully tries to burm the beach access'in an attept to make people pay for beach access through Horsefall Beach. The first beach access you come to on the Norht Spit use to be accessible until BLM was out there with equipment managing the Snowy Plover. Get out their and take advantage of our public lands before its to late.

man of the year wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:37 PM:

now this is exciting

just me wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:37 PM:

very cool

sos wrote on Feb 7, 2008 10:15 AM:

Does anybody know if this could qualify for NOAA Preserve America Grant? Or is there time.


http://preserveamerica.noaa.gov/grantrecip05.html

coosbaylass wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:32 AM:

there is another great story about it on www.oregonlive.com

someonewhomovedbecuaseofnarrowminds wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:16 AM:

As a person that was born and raised in Coos Bay, I find that there is a lot of interest on this new find. You would think that something of this magnatude would be a great source of tourist dollars on a bygone era.

Randy wrote on Feb 6, 2008 10:56 PM:

This isnt the only one. I know of a shipwreck on Nehalem bay that is currently covered. However, it may become exposed soon. If anyone is interested email me at cyberstuntman@hotmail.com

Oregon gal wrote on Feb 6, 2008 8:38 PM:

Just heard about this and am very disappointed to hear that we here are not going to try and save this piece of history.If it was Noah's Ark would we be doing nothing?We have so many people out of work that have access to heavy equipment and man power that could move it into a empty warehouse somewhere and preserve it for later when it could find a permanent home.Think about it before its gone Forever......

OregonHigh wrote on Feb 6, 2008 7:59 PM:

Someone needs to contact National Geographic

not so small wrote on Feb 6, 2008 6:49 PM:

The Voice That Cares and anybody else that's interested. The boat is not thirty five feet...the bow alone is thirty five feet. Below is copied from story.
"This season’s wind and waves have shifted a mountain of sand day after day, uncovering the 35-foot-long bow of wooden-hulled vessel."

confused wrote on Feb 6, 2008 6:38 PM:

so someone wants to spend MILLIONS of dollars to take the new carrisa away and it's not doing anything hazzardous but they are going to leave this ship there and want more info about it.

why not leave the carrisa there too , save tax money, and have more tourists

politics , i don't understand


fubar wrote on Feb 6, 2008 5:15 PM:

let's not rush into anything. research needs to be the first thing done. heck, it might not even be a shipwreck in the first place. if it's around the turn of the 20th century it's gotta be documented somewhere. so, one would think it's either older or not a wreck. well, i think for all bay area dwellers the possiblities are really great for some more tourism and a boost to the economy.

Linda wrote on Feb 6, 2008 3:23 PM:

To Newport Resident. Oh we want to definately charge you for the beach access. I hope you are a tax payer cause then it's like we get you for twice the money. Oh and by all means you have to shop at DMV for a permit. I think once you get there, please don't scare the birds and the pictures you take will only cost you for developing. Have a great time at our beach.

Jericho wrote on Feb 6, 2008 3:03 PM:

Quick somebody put a velvet purple rope around it.

Anti-Plover wrote on Feb 6, 2008 12:11 PM:

It is a shame when a little bird that is far from endangered, not indiginous only to this area, and put in harms way by our own government from actions many years ago will be blocking the public from using there own public land weather it be for finding out about our own history, retrieving seafood from our beaches and jetty or simply using the beach for recreation. PUBLIC ACCESS TO PUBLIC LAND

Briteleaf wrote on Feb 6, 2008 11:24 AM:

Forget preserving a rotting ship of no historical importance. It pales in comparison to the plover whose existance has been determined to be endangered. I would like to see future generations able to enjoy sharing the coast line with the snowy plover.
Just because an old piece of junk has been discovered in the sand doesn't alter the fact that it's just an old piece of junk.

elf wrote on Feb 6, 2008 11:12 AM:

I love seeing that many people want to save this piece of history. I hope that somehow we can get it off the beach and into a local museum.

The Voice That Cares wrote on Feb 6, 2008 10:58 AM:

TO: TRISHOM;JUST A GIRL;GRAMMAKAY;LIZ;NATIVE OREGONIAN: i believe that something must be done about this ship. it isnt every day that something like this is discovered and they cannot throw it away to the sea and to a bird that i believe breeds faster than a rabbit. i also think that if they have a large amount of money to GET RID OF the New Carissa, then i do not see why the State of Oregon cannot aford to spend money on getting this ship out of the way of the erosive sea. something must be done and i agree with all of you that i am typing to. i am soon going to write a letter to the state and see why they are putting a bird over this 35 foot vessel that could teach us a whole lot more than the bird ever will. i thank those of you that have read this entire comment and will check this site often to see if anyone has replied to me. i also want to thank the world news paper for providing us with this information AND the person who works at that fine establishement for allowing this to be posted as it is not vulger in any way.

PRESERVATION is a must for this ship wrote on Feb 6, 2008 10:50 AM:

TO: TRISHOM;JUST A GIRL;GRAMMAKAY;LIZ;NATIVE OREGONIAN: i believe that something must be done about this ship. it isnt every day that something like this is discovered and they cannot throw it away to the sea and to a bird that i believe breeds faster than a rabbit. i also think that if they have a large amount of money to GET RID OF the New Carissa, then i do not see why the State of Oregon cannot aford to spend money on getting this ship out of the way of the erosive sea. something must be done and i agree with all of you that i am typing to. i am soon going to write a letter to the state and see why they are putting a bird over this 35 foot vessel that could teach us a whole lot more than the bird ever will. i thank those of you that have read this entire comment and will check this site often to see if anyone has replied to me. i also want to thank the world news paper for providing us with this information AND the person who works at that fine establishement for allowing this to be posted as it is not vulger in any way. Scncerely, The Voice that Cares.

PRESERVATION is a must for this ship. wrote on Feb 6, 2008 10:39 AM:

hey i liked your idea, maybe we could get some people/ businesses together and get that thing out of their and somewhere it could be safe and dry. anyone got good idea's? i think if we get the support of local businesses that have the right equipment and get enough people out their and permission from the state or county then we could do it. i have a lot of motivation for this. the question is now can we do it?

Volunteer Numero Uno. wrote on Feb 6, 2008 10:32 AM:

Hey i like a few of the other peoples idea's, I am willing to help get it out if their are others, im in. GOOD IDEA TRISHOM.

Native Oregonian wrote on Feb 6, 2008 9:14 AM:

They have 16million for the New Carissa which people love to look at, but they don't have anything for History? And they are placing a bird over Oregons History? What is wrong with this State? Lets save this ship for study and for site seeing. This is a great piece of history!

Just a Girl wrote on Feb 6, 2008 8:57 AM:

To NewportResident: You can get out to the beach on a sand access road. There is a large gravel lot right where the road starts. You can park your trucks there. You need flags and current ATV permits and all that. Four wheelers will go great on that road but watch out for other riders/drivers. The road can get busy at times. You should have access straight out to the beach! Take Hwy. 101 to the Transpacific Hwy Rd. just before the McCullough bridge, take the left fork and go almost all the way to the end. You'll see the big gravel lot on your right!

Liz wrote on Feb 6, 2008 8:49 AM:

You would think that they could make some exception for this area so that the wreck could be studied and viewed.
http://www.rhminis.com/chart.jpg
(link to a shipwreck chart by NW Limited...)

grammakay wrote on Feb 6, 2008 6:00 AM:

Snowy plover over history? Wow, that's ridiculous that access to this piece of history will be blocked... no going on OUR beach... for a bird that is hardly endangered. History is endangered too... open up OUR beach for all of us to enjoy this rare piece of history

coosbaylass wrote on Feb 6, 2008 4:04 AM:

http://www.shipwreckregistry.com/sample1.htm

found that VERY interesting!!

MLM wrote on Feb 6, 2008 1:31 AM:

Anyone interested in this mystery shipwreck must check out Susan Chambers' photos. Next best thing to being there. Thanks, Susan.

PIRATE-SCOTT wrote on Feb 5, 2008 11:33 PM:

I HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT KIND OF SHIP IT IS AND YOU ALL WOULD SEE IF YOU JUST LOOK IN YOUR HISTORY BOOKS!LOOK UP SIR FRANCIS DRAKES VOYAGE IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN.SEN.PIRATE SCOTT

Liz wrote on Feb 5, 2008 11:07 PM:

I find this fascinating...especially in light of all the research inspired by NW Limited's recently released Dead Reckoning of the Pacific Graveyard shipwreck chart.
I have to think that there is enough local interest that something could be done to preserve it if that's what you want?
As an Oregonian, I am interested!!

Newportresident wrote on Feb 5, 2008 8:34 PM:

Can a person get to the site on 4-wheelers or is it a restricted area for off road vehicles??? Do we need a permit, and for someone from out of town were would we park to unload our 4-wheelers?? Help, we really want to see this!

Roger Rolen wrote on Feb 5, 2008 8:30 PM:

Found

While out walking on the beach a few years ago, I know of a friend that reached down and pickrd up a $50.00 gold piece. It had a Viking ship on one side and a Viking Helmit on the other side. We taken metal detectors down and looked around and found some pieces of silver and also some pieces of 1" thick copper plating that was really old as well.

interesting wrote on Feb 5, 2008 5:51 PM:

Why doesnt someone ask the Army Corp of Engineers? Since all shipwrecks that are known are plotted on navigation charts. Maybe they have an idea when it was beached.

Cindy wrote on Feb 5, 2008 3:42 PM:

You need a good road clearance 4WD and an orange flag to drive out there. Check with BLM or the state on permit requirements. The sand is soft and deep in some parts of the road out there. The site is south of the new Carissa.

Trishsom wrote on Feb 5, 2008 3:40 PM:

Maybe there are some volunteers who could help get it out and preserve it. I know money is tight but we can't afford to throw away our history or interesting past stories. People like local history and they don't want to be here visiting and hear stories about things like this in Astoria or Seaside. Let's do our best to keep it here! Let kids study it, people imagine what it would be like to be on the open sea in a ship like this and maybe try to put to rest a "missing" ship. Please try to save and figure out who and what happened.

Curious wrote on Feb 5, 2008 2:30 PM:

Do you need any special passes or orange flags on your vehicle to drive by the New Carissa or this other ship along the seawall road?

Just a Girl wrote on Feb 5, 2008 2:17 PM:

I can't believe they have no plans to save it! That's just ridiculous! This is a valuable piece of our local history and should be treated as such. They just might try using a few resources and some elbow grease and preserve a treasure from our past. It would make a wonderful feature in one of our local museums.

Historian wrote on Feb 5, 2008 12:44 PM:

SWOCC has a handtyped manuscript in their Library of known ship wrecks through the 1960's.
In the past couple of years at least two others have been uncovered.
Just south of the first Spinreel/Tenmile road entrance to the beach - when there is low tide during the winter you can see the metal prow of a vessel and last year there was a skeleton of a metal boat unearthed close to the North Spit.

Old Timer wrote on Feb 5, 2008 12:33 PM:

I know when it ran aground and I know who it belonged to, but I'm not saying. The state of Oregon will sue the bajesus out of the company that owns it and they'll make a big stink about getting the trash disposed of. I wouldn't with that on anybody.

coosbaylass wrote on Feb 5, 2008 12:27 PM:

I hope someone is watching it now..before someone goes out and cuts it for firewood!

coosbaylass wrote on Feb 5, 2008 12:24 PM:

How interesting!
Lived in the Bay for Yrs never knew..maybe I know someone have emailed him..thanks great story!


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