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citizen 1 wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:34 PM:
They are very well trained and Schooled. That is what The academy is for-if you don't pass there you don't become an officer. They have all kinds of different
citizen 1 wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:33 PM:
Mr. Wilson-
who hires these officers are the people of this community and very thorough background checks are done by the FBI and the state of oregon police.
who hires these officers are the people of this community and very thorough background checks are done by the FBI and the state of oregon police.
citizen 1 wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:29 PM:
Not one of our 5 patrol officers has any kind of ego, they all are professional,caring officers putting their lives on the line for us. They also are doing alot to get drugs and criminals out of our community!!!!!
Bad Disc Already? wrote on Feb 15, 2008 9:43 AM:
I was just reading thru all these comments and OH MY! I for one am neutral, I was not there so I cant say what happened. But have they even mentioned or considered Mr Fostor's medical records? Maybe he already had disc problems, I know I do and if I even move wrong sometimes my disc herniate. So maybe it was just a plain "ACCIDENT"
jojo wrote on Feb 13, 2008 11:11 AM:
I don't know the police that are involve nor do I know the citzen that was under arrest either. so i am neterual but I think we all should consider that he did resist arrest.
When an officer says you are under arrest or even wants to talk to you at this point you need to follow his instructions. They are trained to use force when you don't follow their instructions.
The questions does remain : did they use more force than they had to BUT he resisted arrest and was not following instructions. the more he resists the more force they would have to use.
this is just logical
When an officer says you are under arrest or even wants to talk to you at this point you need to follow his instructions. They are trained to use force when you don't follow their instructions.
The questions does remain : did they use more force than they had to BUT he resisted arrest and was not following instructions. the more he resists the more force they would have to use.
this is just logical
MR.Wilson wrote on Feb 11, 2008 9:25 PM:
What a terrible thing to happen. look deeper into the problem.Who hires these cowboys and what background checks are there? No matter right or wrong the good people of coquille will pay for this mans care for the rest of his life.Ask your city council about this is it a badge and gun and off you go crime fighter. If it were a larger city and the people were more aware of there rights this wouldnt get swept under the rug. I am a law abidding peace loveing person. Lived here all my life have seen the downward trend in the quality of public saftey ego driven and not knowing the law no wonder there are looked down on. Who will be the next? Why is it in my town know drug dealers roam the streets. Yet people are pulled over and harrased over petty miner things. Is it about the money? thank for this forum. Remember to stick up for your rights if we dont this is only going to get worse. MR. Wilson
no lumberjacks here wrote on Feb 11, 2008 8:36 AM:
Steve Arrant...One difference between a doctor and a policeman is that doctors are in private practice and police are public servants. A review board for public good should should be comprised of members of the community who are both in that profession as well as those who are not, especially when there is a controversy. That just makes sense. There are many plain, everyday, lowly citizens who are very bright and could understand right from wrong, legal vs. illegal. Very few of the comments here have been made by "some clueless ignorant cop haters".
Around these parts we call them loggers, not lumberjacks. With a few clicks of the mouse and a little reading will show you that the timber dollars are not handouts.
Around these parts we call them loggers, not lumberjacks. With a few clicks of the mouse and a little reading will show you that the timber dollars are not handouts.
Steve Arrant wrote on Feb 11, 2008 3:39 AM:
Hey Alan OR96, Where do you suggest the Chief get these super ninja's? All Oregon Police are trained in basic defensive and take down tactics. It takes years of dedicated drill to be a Marshal arts master. Will you pay the bill to recruit and keep these super ninja's? And who in his right mind would take the low pay to work in a community that hates its police force. Oh thats right, if the US goverment had not taken the timber dollar handout away it would be in the budget. Maybe, just maybe, the criminals should move elswhere, so the super ninja cops there can take them down without injuring a combative suspect or they could just comply with the lawful orders of a police officer doing his job trying to keep you safe.
Not doing my job?? wrote on Feb 10, 2008 4:26 PM:
“Review Board Needed” sounds like a good idea. I think the members should be educated on police functions, responsibilities, policy/procedures and of course Oregon Revised Statutes to be able to review incidents properly. I believe this is possible, given the applicant is of good moral standing, no criminal record and would be willing to receive such training. I also believe this would also help someone who has the impression that the local law enforcement members are not doing their jobs. Realistically, I could not review another person’s occupation, fairly or impartially without knowing how it should be conducted or operated?
Harassment is a misdemeanor, and you are subject to arrest. However this crime by itself, one is usually cited or referred to the District Attorney. When the nature of the Harassment is domestic in nature (meaning adult subjects related by blood, marriage, sexual intimacy or prior cohabitants) the aggressor(s) are often arrested to ensure their separation from the victim and prevent the potential for an assault to occur. If someone hears of a charge, or reads something they disagree with, by all means contact the District Attorney’s Office for clarification as opposed trying to insult or incite others.
Harassment is a misdemeanor, and you are subject to arrest. However this crime by itself, one is usually cited or referred to the District Attorney. When the nature of the Harassment is domestic in nature (meaning adult subjects related by blood, marriage, sexual intimacy or prior cohabitants) the aggressor(s) are often arrested to ensure their separation from the victim and prevent the potential for an assault to occur. If someone hears of a charge, or reads something they disagree with, by all means contact the District Attorney’s Office for clarification as opposed trying to insult or incite others.
Steve Arrant wrote on Feb 10, 2008 2:28 PM:
As far as Review Board needed is concerned, How would you like a surgon having a lumberjack look over his shoulder and second guess everything he did. A review board is a great idea, but must be staffed by people who know something about criminals and police tactics, NOT some clueless ignorant cop haters.
Review board Needed! wrote on Feb 8, 2008 9:13 PM:
This incident has brought a lot of things to a head. Coos County NEEDS a civilian review board that oversees ALL Coos County Police Agencies.
I saw a few weeks ago a man was arrested for Domestic Harassment. Excuse me can ANY officer tell me the statute for "Domestic Harassment"? It does not exist.
What is wrong with Coos County Citizens??? Wake up the police are not doing their jobs.
I saw a few weeks ago a man was arrested for Domestic Harassment. Excuse me can ANY officer tell me the statute for "Domestic Harassment"? It does not exist.
What is wrong with Coos County Citizens??? Wake up the police are not doing their jobs.
COQILLA wrote on Feb 8, 2008 11:58 AM:
RC: I too have experienced excessive force that was totally uncalled for. Next time I WILL FIGHT BACK. I do not deserve to be hurt by anyone. I do not hurt others and I expect the same in return.
RC wrote on Feb 8, 2008 11:40 AM:
I have read each and every comment on this blog, and I think for those of you who have never violated the law, good for you, but for the rest of us, we have a slightly different perspective on the law enforcement tactics and thinking. I was arrested 2 1/2 years ago for a non-alcohol-related driving incident. I was ordered to step out of the vehicle and lay face down on the dirt driveway with my hands stretched out to each side, which I immediately did. The arresting officer jammed his knee into the base of my neck, grinding my face and ear into the rocks and gravel in the driveway. It was obvious that I had surrendered. It was excessive and overly zealous on the officers part. I am a woman. It was an elude, not murder, not assault. I didn't hit any vehicles. It was late at night. I was in the wrong, and I admit it. It was unnecessary excessive force. If I hadn't planned on surrendering, I would not have pulled over in the first place. It is noteworthy that after the fact, the officer that wrote the official police report embellished the incident to a point that he really should give up his night job and go into fictional writing because there was very little that resembled the truth in that report. If you citizens that have spotless records want to continue to hide your heads in the sand with delusions that there is a going to be any accuracy in the reports or the findings, don't count on it.
citizen 1 wrote on Feb 8, 2008 9:30 AM:
FrequentCoquilleVisitor- can't take the blame when you did nothing wrong! If this man is so old and fragile, then maybe he shouldn't have taken a swing at the officer and resisted-the cops did their job!
LORI wrote on Feb 7, 2008 3:29 PM:
VOICE OF REASON: Yes, you are right. Police have the right to protect themselves AND SO DO CITIZENS!!!!
Voice of Reason wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:48 AM:
Why are people so quick to blame a police officer? The fact that every police involved incident is treated as a crime is ridicules. Police officers are supposed to uphold our laws and detain/arrest those who violate our laws. If someone resists arrest they do so at their own risk. When police officers use a common take down move they have no knowledge of a suspects predisposed medical condition. A police officer has the right to protect themselves as well as the community.
Alan OR96 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:37 AM:
Todays law enforcement officers are over militarized and under trained in the marshal arts. I have seen what a well trained enforcement officer in the marshal arts can do to restrain an individual with great ease. Eagle Point had such on officer in Robert Walker who is now retired. It would be wise of the chief of Police of Coquille to look real hard at training in the marshal arts to control individuals who have other ideas of where they want to go. Current State Police training is lacking they apply HARD treatment which leads to mistakes we now see in this incident. The marshal arts apply controlled higher thought level use of force. Officers trained the marshal arts are better able to control situations with out putting the city in harms way for law suits which effects it's citizens with higher insurance rates. You can damm well bet there will be a law suit here and there should be because your officers are under trained. It's easy to turn your police force into simi-military troops
who looks and acts like the military you get what you pay for.
Time to hire someone to come in and train your troops oops police officers to better handle themselves using the marshal arts. Using Sate Police tactics is asking for trouble and now you have it citizens of Coquille.
who looks and acts like the military you get what you pay for.
Time to hire someone to come in and train your troops oops police officers to better handle themselves using the marshal arts. Using Sate Police tactics is asking for trouble and now you have it citizens of Coquille.
Nursey Girl wrote on Feb 6, 2008 8:00 PM:
VERY Sad case all around...
Thank you to "THE WORLD" for allowing us to be Americans, by providing us the opportunity to exercise our Freedom of Speech, and the option to vent..
Our punctuation and grammer are incidential to our fears, feelings
and concerns for persons on both sides who have families that will be impacted by this event, as will the main characters of this story.
Thank you to "THE WORLD" for allowing us to be Americans, by providing us the opportunity to exercise our Freedom of Speech, and the option to vent..
Our punctuation and grammer are incidential to our fears, feelings
and concerns for persons on both sides who have families that will be impacted by this event, as will the main characters of this story.
WORLD NEWSPAPER? wrote on Feb 6, 2008 2:35 PM:
It's sad that a newspaper submitted an article like this and not giving the pros and cons of all the facts and details surrounding this arrest. I would bet after it is all said and done an apology will be forth right and coming from the world newspaper to the coquille police department for allegations that could hurt the police involved. Resisting Arrest means exactly that. Resisting Arrest! There is NO WAY to determine the outcome of someone’s condition when their fighting with an officer and them trying to subdue the individual. Let some of these critics writing in try it out sometime and see if there is a better way to take a hostile person in custody without putting your hands on them. Freedom of speech has obvious restrictions like for example incitement, sedition, defamation, slander, libel, and blasphemy. Reporters that work for a paper should get ALL the facts before submitting an article like this to the general public and also creating a "BLOG" that tears a community appart!
Jason wrote on Feb 5, 2008 10:34 PM:
For all those who are so quick to put the blame on the officers involved, have you ever heard the saying, "It's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"? Because that's all most of you who are attacking the Coquille Officers and law enforcement in general are doing is displaying your ignorance. I wasn't there. I don't have the facts. That's why I'll wait for the results of the investigation before making any judgements. Personally, I think the reason so many of you are anti-law enforcement is because you know, deep down, you don't have the courage or fortitude to be in law enforcement.
FrequentCoquilleVisitor wrote on Feb 5, 2008 7:35 PM:
Well I think that the cops did take it a bit too far with taking him down. Considering his age. I mean my dad is 50 yrs old and just rolled his ankle last week and it's taken him a week to get back up on it. Older people are more fragile and Cops are harsh sometimes. I think that The Coquille PD need to think about things and well not saying anything at the meeting was bad on their part..I do hope they hang their heads. I like Coquille and am movin there when I can but if stuff like this keeps happening that I am staying away from there. I feel sorry for the family and the pain that they are having to deal with. That's a spendy drive back and forth to Eugene. From what I have heard Coquille PD never takes the blame for anything they always blame the suspect. TAKE UR BLAME FOR WHAT U DID AND DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Brenda wrote on Feb 4, 2008 4:44 PM:
Horrific, Feeling. Let's focus on spelling errors instead of the issue at hand, that should take the focus off of the "Broken Neck"!!! Should we focus on spelling and grammar or Mr. Foster and the Coquille Police Department? Remember there is a mans life at stake.
speller wrote on Feb 4, 2008 2:53 PM:
is it too much?...Oh Big Deal. Words are easily misspelled while typing...the content is still readable. Get over it!
is it too much? wrote on Feb 4, 2008 2:32 PM:
Is it too much to ask that posters re-read their comments and employ spell-check? When poor grammar and spelling are used, it magnifies ignorance and lessens the validity of the comments being made.
Brenda wrote on Feb 2, 2008 7:59 PM:
COQUILLE, Spoken like a true Coquille Police Officer.... No thanks, I think I'll stay! I'd be willing to bet I've lived in Coquille longer than you've been alive, and from what i've seen from our local force, you're right, maybe I should become an Officer, if you lose your job because of police brutality, then maybe I'll apply!! Sounds like you're taking it personally. Feelin guilty? It was simply my opinion as a citizen, no need for name calling.
Coquille wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:03 PM:
Brenda if you don't like Coquille then move or become an Officer yourself and risk your life for ungrateful, quick to judge, back seat driver people like yourself.
Gun Powder & Lead wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:12 PM:
I say both parties are guilty.... There needs to be a investigation by the state... not by the local PD/DA Office. It needs to be a state involvement. The local police do not have the training that a bigger city would have. Like NYC, LA, Las Vegas, Houston and other major cities who have constant training. Not just Coquille's PD but all Coos County PD needs to be under investigation.
As for Foster... incident until proven guilty. As for him now... he's between a death/jail and a hard rock.
As for Foster... incident until proven guilty. As for him now... he's between a death/jail and a hard rock.
Thomas wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:39 PM:
It is important to keep in mind when commenting that Mr. Foster is only ALLEGED to have resisted arrest, and is presumed innocent of that charge until proven guilty. The address in this article is wrong, and the real site is within a stone's throw of the courthouse, which helps make the official version of what is supposed to have transpired appear very odd? I hope he recovers to testify, and that other witnesses come forward.
Nick wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:13 PM:
Discussted should do a bit of research on the McDonalds coffee case. Though I agree personal responsibility must be taken into account (and so did the law, as her award was significantly reduced from the amount publicized in the media to something reasonable, all things considered... people are too lazy to research that part of the case, though), gross negligence from a corporation (which was a proven FACT with the McDonalds case) should put some responsibility on the company.
Discussted wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:34 PM:
My comment to "Unfortunate": Just what we need another "Law" suit in the court system. Sounds like you've had lots of experience. We can hardly afford to live now because of all the frivilous past lawsuits. I'm sure you're aware that we all pay more for everything just because someone was stupid enough to put hot coffee between their legs and blamed the fast food restaurant for when it spilled and burned her. This person doesn't deserve pity or money. All of us will be paying for him the rest of his life with our tax dollars! As for the officers, none of us know exactly the circumstances or the extent of force used. I commend them on a job well done! In my eyes they're hero's on a daily basis. Most of us don't have the fortitude to do what they do. I'm sure the two lady's still have nightmares too having been victim's of this person's anger. Think of the anquish and mental strain they are living with. Believe me, you don't get over something like that easily.
Come on.. wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:02 AM:
Well I have been reading all the comments and all I can say is, get real people...Im willing to bet that 99% of all of you with negative comments about the police have at least once been in trouble with the law, as have I. I have NEVER had a police officer treat me bad when i wasnt doing anything illegal! if you break the law, you will have consequences!! Not that a broken neck is fair, but come on, accidents happen. bottom line: had he not scared the living crap out of two women and resisted arrest he would still be home and healthy today!!!!! I do not believe for one minute the police meant to hurt him, if he wouldnt of put himself in the position to be taken down there wouldnt have been room for an accident!
It's really pretty black and white people..
It's really pretty black and white people..
GET REAL wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:20 PM:
To UNFORTUNATE, Thats a great idea then not only will the Foster Family have medical bills they will also have lawyer fees which will not get paid. The the Foster family WILL NOT get any money from the city, county, or the state because the offciers were justified and used less force then what is allowed when someone takes a swing at an officer.
Brenda wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:52 PM:
I think it's a terrible thing that the police in Coquille would do something so herrific when arresting someone. I don't think that Mr. Foster could have put up such a fight that it took 2 healthy officer's to take him down and break his neck, and further more, isn't it standard procedure for the officer to use his or her forearm while the suspect is down, rather than stomping on the back of ones neck! Personally I don't believe that we even need a city police force in Coquille, when we have the county seat right here. Lord knows the only thing they do is pass out traffic violations, since there is no crime in Coquille, oh wait, unless you consider murder a crime, but then you get away with that! Case and point; Leah Freeman.
Beaniebaby wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:55 PM:
The same officers you condem, may save your or a loved ones life.ARE YOU ALL RETARDED? Innocent untill PROVEN GUILTY,Goes for both sides.
unfortunate wrote on Jan 30, 2008 3:29 PM:
I am very sad for his family! No matter if the man resisted an arrest, the amount of force the officers gave his man is NOT called for! FOR HIS FAMILY- I would take a copy of The World article and the police report and hire yourself the best lawyer possible and take the state through a lawsuit. I encourage this! Trust me...
coastal friend wrote on Jan 30, 2008 2:08 PM:
I would like to ask the newspaper to put a poll opinion question that readers
can respond to this very hot topic.
Question could be:
Do you favor the police action or feel for the man who resisted arrest.?
Would be very interesting to see it broke down in this fashion.Other papers do this on a topic every day.
can respond to this very hot topic.
Question could be:
Do you favor the police action or feel for the man who resisted arrest.?
Would be very interesting to see it broke down in this fashion.Other papers do this on a topic every day.
THINKS KID IS DUMB! wrote on Jan 29, 2008 2:53 AM:
You have no facts that this man did any of these things...it appears this community has a problem with police!! It does not take a rocket scientist to see this!!! How many rural towns do you see form a commitee to protect residents from the ones that should be protecting you! I havent heard a word about a neighborhood watch to keep this "criminal" off the street!! give me a break!!! Its obvious there is problems with the whole bunch and I cant wait to see it come out!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THE WORLD!!! Show people this man is a person!
SOCC kid wrote on Jan 27, 2008 9:10 PM:
I think it's horrible that The World is making such a big deal about this guy. I have no sympathy for criminals and my lack of sympathy turns to even greater anger and disgust when they resist arrest. As citizens, shouldn't we be more concerned for our safety than showing pity to criminals? If my own grandfather would've done what this man did, I would've personally thrown him to the ground to protect her...and I wouldn't feel sorry about it, even if it killed him. The safety of the innocent is more important than the danger of showing pity to criminals.
Akami wrote on Jan 26, 2008 6:25 PM:
For those of you bad mouthing Mr. Foster, assume that he did not in any way resist arrest and was innocent of the alleged crime. What now your opinion about the conduct of the Coquille police?
For those of you bad mouthing the Coquille police, assume that Mr. Foster had a precondition that made his neck prone to injury by the slightest restraint, and that he violently resisted arrest. What now you opinion about the conduct of the Coquille police?
The bottom line. Don’t give any credence to press releases by the authorities nor to the opinionated comments by uninformed posters. The City of Coquille will be sued and the truths about this incident will eventually be established.
For those of you bad mouthing the Coquille police, assume that Mr. Foster had a precondition that made his neck prone to injury by the slightest restraint, and that he violently resisted arrest. What now you opinion about the conduct of the Coquille police?
The bottom line. Don’t give any credence to press releases by the authorities nor to the opinionated comments by uninformed posters. The City of Coquille will be sued and the truths about this incident will eventually be established.
paige wrote on Jan 26, 2008 12:41 PM:
i am discussed by the force that these officers used. the fact of the matter is this, how much force does it take to break someones neck. i am sure that these officers will be cleared that is how it works. the judge is not a judge, he listens to what the da has to say and follows the sentence that they put place. just as the investigation will of course find that these officers acted within their job description. i find it offensive to read what the media has to say about the victim and his past arrest. does it really matter what his prior record is. as if that matters. so what the media is trying to do is take away from what the officers have done by making out the victim to be deserving of this treatment because he had prior run ins with law enforcement. discusting
Linda wrote on Jan 25, 2008 4:36 PM:
Response to "T" Very well said. I think you summed it up perfectly!
T wrote on Jan 24, 2008 9:02 PM:
All I want to say is I'm a big fan of the police force. I have police friends and I appreciate all the good things they do. However, there is no reason to use enough force to break someones neck, isn't that why they are trained to use tazers? Although I heard they hurt like hell, I think he would have rather been tazed than have his neck broken. There are others ways to get the criminal to cooperate. Accidents do happen, but I'm really surprised that those two didn't take a little time off after this sort of incident. If they have a heart they would care about what they did this to man (no matter what his criminal background is). I feel horrible for Foster (and his family) and I don't care what someone's criminal background is unless they are a rapist or murderer, they don't deserve to have their neck broke. I feel bad for the victim and also for Coquille police for allowing this to happen. And for those people complaining about people writing things and not knowing the facts, this is a BLOG and opinion area, if you don't like it, don't read it. People are free to their opinion. I quit reading after awhile since there were so many, but I think EVERYONE has some sort of valid point.
Marv wrote on Jan 24, 2008 1:46 PM:
I would think it would be incumbent upon those who have read police reports about this arrest to not report what is in them while an investigation is ongoing. Keep in mind that these reports were written by the two officers and not Mr. Foster, so those who are in law enforcement have a bias judgement as to what happened.
WOW!! wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:13 AM:
After reading just a couple of these comments I scrolled right to the bottom, Many people are taken this area of comment and turned it into a chat/arguement area. That in its self is sad. No one knows the facts here. Was anyone there? Did anyone see Mr Foster Resist? Has anyone seen actual documents that he was convicted of the charges ie. violating a no contact order! uhhh I say not, in fact he was never found guilty of that there for he is innocent!! hmmm makes me wonder how many other things they say about Mr Foster is not true. Does anyone know why his ribs were broke? Could it be a injury recieved at work while working hard everyday as it appeared he did? Has anyone seen Mr Foster? 57 years old 5"4 130 pounds with broken ribs, makes me wonder how much he did resist. Like I said no one knows exactly what Happen and I believe it will come out. My heart goes out to the family that will have to care for him, and for Mr Foster that is obviously going to have problems for the rest of his life. Mr Foster was someones Dad, Uncle, brother, friend, Many Im sure are effected by this. Ive seen high speed chases end in crashing into poles, trees etc. and not come out with a broken neck, does anyone know what that intails? NO FUNCTION!! No one deserves that.
KB wrote on Jan 24, 2008 9:54 AM:
The whole problem boils down to this in Coos County. First of all the cops are trigger happy, so don't pull out a rake or a felt pen. The criminals never spend any time for thier crimes, so they know what they can get away with. The whole justice system in Coos County needs to be replaced. The criminals should do the time for the crime, when a judge gives a person 5 years, then they should serve 5 years.
The cops are probably afraid so they act out by using too much force. The whole County needs a check up!
The cops are probably afraid so they act out by using too much force. The whole County needs a check up!
KARLI wrote on Jan 24, 2008 4:39 AM:
Before any of you judge, get the facts. Its easy to judge, and say what you would have done when you've never been it that position or weren't there when it happened. I read all of the officers reports, and as law enforcement myself I can honestly say that I wouldn't have done anything different. They did what was REQUIRED of them for the circumstances that the suspect presented. The suspect dictated the situation, and the officers simply reacted using their training and experience. This was not a fight. They only used a simple take down move that is utilized to minimize injury and resistance, so the officers can quickly and efficiently place him in custody. We dont know the suspects previous medical conditions that could have been a contributor. I believe that this is one of those odd ball cases where an accidental injury occured during the deployment of a trained move. I'm sorry that his injury resulted and I wish him a speedy recovery. I hope that through all of this a lesson was learned. Dont resist arrest. More importantly: dont commit crimes that prompt your arrest!
emtcity.com wrote on Jan 23, 2008 7:16 PM:
to dave, the 2 officers may be certified but not licenced medical professionals. I was under the impression that a certified emt tries to keep people going until they get to a doctor " A licenced medical proffesional" not other emts. you see sir I too am a trained emt but not a licenced medical professional.
You my friend, should turn in your EMT card and get spell check. From: A pre-hospital care medical professional.
You my friend, should turn in your EMT card and get spell check. From: A pre-hospital care medical professional.
just a reader wrote on Jan 23, 2008 3:37 PM:
I wasn't there, didn't see it happen but by the article I believe that excessive force was used that caused this mans injuries. Not only is he suffering from but his family also. May God bless them all. My major problem is What purpose did it serve for the World to smear this mans criminal history for all to see? Let's see, between '04 & '05 he was cited four times for driving while suspended. In '04 he was convicted of contempt of court/violation of a restraining order. And then harassment and criminal mishief. All the other things that made your story of this man look like a very very bad person, he was acquitted of! So why did you even print that?? I just hope that this family can make it through this tragedy that was placed on them be it accident or a brute act of force at the hands of these officers. As I said at the start, I was not there, and I did not see this go down, but by the article I believe the officers were at fault and the World has fueled all these flames.
lyn wrote on Jan 23, 2008 7:52 AM:
to clarence, I loved your comment I had forgotten if you are being cornered or questioned on the streets or even in your own house, what ever you do do not pull a sharpie out it is a death sentence in this county.
lyn wrote on Jan 23, 2008 7:43 AM:
to dave, the 2 officers may be certified but not licenced medical professionals. I was under the impression that a certified emt tries to keep people going until they get to a doctor " A licenced medical proffesional" not other emts. you see sir I too am a trained emt but not a licenced medical professional.
DOWNSPARKY wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:45 PM:
They learned the move at the "Police Academy" Which one was it? Police Academy II or Police Academy III?
Concerned wrote on Jan 22, 2008 1:51 PM:
Whatever happened to minding your P's and Q's? It seems like everyone is bashing on someone they don't even know who it is! "A man reaps what s/he sows" It is just disgusting to see that everyone is deciding to just have a bash fest here on the Internet!!! Sad. Sad world out there!! It just breaks my heart to see this in the Newspaper and look what it has become, here let me bash you, no I can bash you better!!! It is just plain disgusting!! All you people on here are acting like little children and it is sad to see that!!! STOP BASHING and live a life that is peaceful, not in rage! Thank you!!!
No Name wrote on Jan 22, 2008 10:41 AM:
How many people wrote in about Mr. Foster and the the two cowards who attacked him (2 on 1)?
And the World Rag did not allow their Comments to be Published here!
Shame, Shame, Shame, that only those Comments Selected by the "Person in control" selects which of those
Comments are weeded out or included herein!
"Hiel, World Rag!"
And the World Rag did not allow their Comments to be Published here!
Shame, Shame, Shame, that only those Comments Selected by the "Person in control" selects which of those
Comments are weeded out or included herein!
"Hiel, World Rag!"
woundedknee wrote on Jan 22, 2008 4:24 AM:
Okay folks get it out of your systems. You folks are putting more energy into this,then anything i've ever seen.I as well know the officers involved (and their families). I don't believe for a minute that either would harm someone just for kicks and giggles. I will tell you this not any of us have a right to judge the police or Mr.Foster. However what it boils down to if any of us ever needed help we would run screaming like little @itches to the police for help. Yes there were circumstances prior to this incident which could have led to Mr.Foster's injuries in fact he could have sneezed and possibley broken his neck.I think people live in a dream world, Coos County has alot of alcohol and drug abuse.These ingreidents dont'mix well with the law. Also stop being hypocrites talking trash then saying let us pray. How bout we just pray for a better world and peace.By the way they dont use iron lungs any more they are called ventilators,And people dont blink for us.That would mean he was brain dead and i do not beleive that to be a fact.
You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.......
LET HE /SHE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE................think about it.
You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.......
LET HE /SHE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE................think about it.
Confused? wrote on Jan 21, 2008 6:27 PM:
Ok, maybe it was an accident. Maybe, they didn't mean to break his neck. The fact remains, they did, and now Mr. Foster & his family have to suffer the consequences. So if it was indeed an accident, should they be held responsible? Yes. They are trained professionals, and they should be able to takedown a suspect without any problem. They were negligent in the manner they acted. In order to break a person’s neck they would have had to slam him down pretty hard, and in a manner intended to cause injury. Did they intend to break his neck, probably not, but at the same time their reckless actions caused this injury. Regular citizens have been prosecuted for accidents, the law says in these cases the only thing missing is intent. I.E. A man is speeding down a highway recklessly; he loses control and crashes into another killing two people. The man didn't intend to kill two people, but his negligent actions caused the deaths. According to the law, he is still responsible. So maybe the officers didn't intend on breaking his neck, but their negligent actions broke his neck and they should be held responsible. If you or I did something that resulted in the injury of one of their family members, I am sure they would want us held responsible. Bottom-line, when you are a trained professional there is a standard of care to be upheld in every case. Unfortunately the standard of care these officers showed was very dismal.
Magic School Bus wrote on Jan 21, 2008 5:31 PM:
If you resist arrest, expect to get some for of punishment / injuries
carnac wrote on Jan 21, 2008 4:06 PM:
SUMMARY wrote "we know which cops are receving favors from teenage girls in their squad cars". Yes, and some are stopping and hitting on older women too. It's hard to think that our police are beyond reproach after it happens to your family. Good luck to anyone who bothers to complain, because I predict nothing will be done.
Justin wrote on Jan 20, 2008 11:30 PM:
Introductions aside I have not lived in Coos County for several years now and for the most part your posting make me sick. I would say that for the majority of the postings on this page I do not believe that there has been a handful that even could begin to understand the decisions that Officers are required to make every day. Is it possible that a few may stray to the “dark Side”? Of course it is possible, yet the way I am hearing the majority of you is that not a single Officer is competent, educated, trustworthy, or in the least bit reliable. That is not only as a Police Officer yet as a person. The title Police Officer for you is as insulting as any other title you could think of. As an Officer for a small city of over 600,0000 it amazes me that no matter where you are the Police suck and after every bad situation that takes place it is automatically ass-u-med (try and remember you third grade spelling list and you will understand the -‘s) that the officer used “excessive force”. How could any of you know this? Are you person that would resist arrest? No! Then I would be willing to say that you will never have to experience being placed on the ground during a police encounter. If you don’t like the Police don’t call them. If you don’t want to be arrested don’t break the law. If you don’t want to be thrown to the ground don’t resist arrest.
If you can do it better put down the ding-dong and diet soda, apply for the job and do it better. It is thankless, dangerous and the pay will never be enough. Yet if you can do the job that every one of us in Law Enforcement apply its an equal opportunity employment profession. Be prepared to be sued for nearly every action you take, be shunned in the public and lose you name. You will forever be introduces as my friend the Cop. Hundreds of thousands of other honorable people do it every day, despite the constant badgering of people like the ones posting on this article. Let the investigators do their jobs prior to making off the cuff remarks about things that you yourself are not willing to do and do not understand.
When everyone else runs from the gunshots only two professions are trained and dedicated enough to run towards them: The Police and our Military.
If you can do it better put down the ding-dong and diet soda, apply for the job and do it better. It is thankless, dangerous and the pay will never be enough. Yet if you can do the job that every one of us in Law Enforcement apply its an equal opportunity employment profession. Be prepared to be sued for nearly every action you take, be shunned in the public and lose you name. You will forever be introduces as my friend the Cop. Hundreds of thousands of other honorable people do it every day, despite the constant badgering of people like the ones posting on this article. Let the investigators do their jobs prior to making off the cuff remarks about things that you yourself are not willing to do and do not understand.
When everyone else runs from the gunshots only two professions are trained and dedicated enough to run towards them: The Police and our Military.
Steven wrote on Jan 20, 2008 7:02 PM:
If that would have been my mother he went after, he would not be as lucky as he is right now.
It is not the fault of the officers that he suffered these injuries, it is his own fault. He is the one who dictated the force the police had to use.
It is not the fault of the officers that he suffered these injuries, it is his own fault. He is the one who dictated the force the police had to use.
Margie wrote on Jan 20, 2008 6:01 PM:
Outraged comes to mind. These are two class "C" Midemenors. And while we are on the topic so are the compiling lists that they made of past offences. I have been angry since hearing this on my local news. Over kill plain and simple. The man was not armed and they were there for a "cracked winsheild" now he is on an iron lung? There is something wrong with this.
banchsee wrote on Jan 20, 2008 3:15 PM:
What the hell... But I do know one of the police man and I have known for 18 years and I know that he wound'nt hurt anyone for any reason you should turn the clock around and know someone before anybody talks about them......
The commissioner wrote on Jan 20, 2008 3:01 PM:
Thank you! every one, for taking the pressure off us with this Damn LNG thing. Keep all your efforts here so you'll stay preoccupied. Keep up the good work, and stay here.
Tim Petrone wrote on Jan 20, 2008 2:48 PM:
First of all...the "take down" IS normal Police procedure...but it normally doesn't cause paralysis, or cracked vertebrae. It's obvious that the cops were a little excessive in this case. Was it intentional?...doubtful. They were trying to arrest a known criminal and he resisted...they got frustrated and took him down a little too hard. Still, these things happen and the guy shouldn't have resisted in the first place. He knew the risks. Should the officers be punished? Not really. Re-trained on the "take down" maybe...possibly suspended with pay for awhile. Punished? No. It sounds like an honest accident. I'm not on the side of the cops, either. Just a completely objective outsider trying to look at the situation in an unbiased way.
Tim wrote on Jan 20, 2008 12:29 PM:
Just think, If I know that I have just committed a crime and I know that if I were to fight back, well maby I do get hurt or God forbid the worse thing get killed for fighting back its not me that did something wrong IT WAS THE COP. This is the thinking of to many people criminals these days. This is the same as our Military. they send in "trained" Officers/troops to take care of a problem and oh by the way, you cant do this and you cant do that. The thinking of the criminal if they come at me all I have to do is fight a little and they will let me go I can get away with "robbery/Smashing a windshield, breaking the law, Rape Molisting a child(will you get my point) Law Officers are there to protect YOU and ME and if someone breaks the law they should SUFFER the conciquences. If they fight back or run they are in THE WRONG not the cop. No Matter what The Cop Should be Right
Summary wrote on Jan 20, 2008 12:26 PM:
... 200 + messages and what's the point? its all less about this one case and more about a deeply felt frustration over unsolved murders, missing persons, corrupt police officers, and drug abusers/criminals. you don't have to be on one side or the other to realize that I think we've all just had enough. our communities are too small. we know who killed who, we know which cops are receving favors from teenage girls in their squad cars, we know who to stay away from. Something needs to change in/for this county...... perhaps the new d.a. can create a change? our fabulous commissioners? or perhaps we're all screwed.
Jamie wrote on Jan 20, 2008 10:16 AM:
It does not matter if the suspect was resisting arrest or not. The FACT of the matter is that the police used excessive force and seriously injured the man. It angers me that these officers remain on-the-job during this investigation. If the man dies what will the Chief of Police say, "Ooops, my officers accidentally killed a man". I hope the family sues the department because those responsible for this investigation are not about to hold "their own" responsible.
Potential Malcontent wrote on Jan 20, 2008 8:38 AM:
My thoughts...The officers are still working because we don't have enough officers on our force to give them administrative leave. That might be because our illustrious Chief of Police disbanded the wonderful reserve force we had when he came on board all those years ago, and Coquille is not the place most out of area officers aim for when job seeking.
Under any circumstances, I do NOT believe that officers Bryant and Webley set out that day to break this man's neck. However, I am curious to know why we had two officer's on duty on a Saturday morning, when we only have one on duty most of the time.
I believe the Major Crimes Team will do a competent investigation. I believe that Mr. Foster did resist arrest. I believe also that his "frailness" contributed to his injuries. And I am sure he could have been doing construction work with prior injuries...the nation is full of men who do just that, everyday.
I hope with all my heart that Mr. Foster recovers from his injuries. I hope that whatever the investigation reveals becomes public knowledge and that all this speculation can be put to rest. I hope we can all move on from this.
But my most fervent hope is that someone with time to spare will take a good look at the last 20 years of law enforcement incidents directly related to the Coquille PD. The public records, not the rumors or innuendo. Just the facts. Compare and contrast our police force and discover if things are different under the tutelage of our current chief.
My advice to the World newspaper...stop the bias. When the women jumped from the McCullough bridge last year, we learned all about her past. Why, so we could accept it? In this case, we learn all about Mr. Fosters criminal history. Why? To help justify the situation? I realize you don't always have a lot of information when you write your story, but that kind of filler just fuels fire.
The posts and opinions we post here are a way of mourning the continued loss of our sense of community. We are all shocked and confused that such a thing could happen, and it's a knee jerk reaction to verbally "go ballistic" and be heard. It shouldn't divide a community. People should not refer to those who disagree as the "lower half" of the community. Empathy is a natural emotion. It's ok to feel the way you feel. It's even justified to feel this way. But, lets wait for the investigation results before we condemn anyone.
Under any circumstances, I do NOT believe that officers Bryant and Webley set out that day to break this man's neck. However, I am curious to know why we had two officer's on duty on a Saturday morning, when we only have one on duty most of the time.
I believe the Major Crimes Team will do a competent investigation. I believe that Mr. Foster did resist arrest. I believe also that his "frailness" contributed to his injuries. And I am sure he could have been doing construction work with prior injuries...the nation is full of men who do just that, everyday.
I hope with all my heart that Mr. Foster recovers from his injuries. I hope that whatever the investigation reveals becomes public knowledge and that all this speculation can be put to rest. I hope we can all move on from this.
But my most fervent hope is that someone with time to spare will take a good look at the last 20 years of law enforcement incidents directly related to the Coquille PD. The public records, not the rumors or innuendo. Just the facts. Compare and contrast our police force and discover if things are different under the tutelage of our current chief.
My advice to the World newspaper...stop the bias. When the women jumped from the McCullough bridge last year, we learned all about her past. Why, so we could accept it? In this case, we learn all about Mr. Fosters criminal history. Why? To help justify the situation? I realize you don't always have a lot of information when you write your story, but that kind of filler just fuels fire.
The posts and opinions we post here are a way of mourning the continued loss of our sense of community. We are all shocked and confused that such a thing could happen, and it's a knee jerk reaction to verbally "go ballistic" and be heard. It shouldn't divide a community. People should not refer to those who disagree as the "lower half" of the community. Empathy is a natural emotion. It's ok to feel the way you feel. It's even justified to feel this way. But, lets wait for the investigation results before we condemn anyone.
Sean wrote on Jan 20, 2008 6:08 AM:
Law Enforcment in Coos County is a joke! that is the bottom line. A man killed for pulling out a sharpie, a trial happened recently over Coos Bay Tasing, get this a FORMER POLICE OFFICER! This man is paralized after police use force. PEOPLE we don't hear about half of the stuff going on here! As far as police being out there to fight crime what a joke, oh and yes their will be another CROSS WALK sting going on. Are you kidding me, we have real problems and they the two biggest police forces in the county are targeting people not yielding to pedestrians??? realize if you are a Chief of Police, the Sheriff, the DA. It is on your heads, you have the power to change it, but you don't. Washburn, Schebelli, Reeves, Rawkosi, Jackson, Paul Frasier, whoever is in Bandon and Powers this week, YOU are the problem here. You are the people that are letting this happen and you are all to blame. City Councils, County leadership you are to blame as well. Hold your Police Chiefs and Sheriff responsible! You are not doing enough I know I plan on voting for all new people in the next election. I lived in Washington and I will say I have seen what it was like to truely feel safe, a small town, a small way of life, how many of you feel safe? You have accepted this poor job of Law Enforcment because you know nothing different so before you blast me on here, let me ask you where else have you lived? If you are born and raised here, then you have no idea what I am talking about. Oh and since this is a big deal after reading all this No I am not a druggie, a meth addict, not been in trouble with the law, let alone had a speeding ticket. Just a citizen that thinks this county needs a civilian, rewiew board of the law enforcment in Coos Country!
Police Supporter wrote on Jan 20, 2008 1:53 AM:
Accidents happen, if these officers are guilty it will be proven and justice will be served. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. You are better hope these men are guilty as much S*** as you talk about them. Shame on you all. They are there to protect your community and keeps it safe from crime and all you can do it badmouth them. SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU!!!! Why should they protect or even want to protect your city with all the crap you talk about them
Think About It wrote on Jan 19, 2008 8:00 PM:
It was Mr. Foster's choice to resist arrest, and the other criminal acts he committed. I'm not saying he deserved the injuries he received but he is the one that chose his actions, he was not forced to make these choices. It was the officers that were forced to take the action they did. I'm sure their intent was not to cause injury, that is never an officers intent, regardless what some of you want to believe. Maybe if they would have drawn their guns and shot the man, people would then have a right to complain. They didn't shoot him or taser him, they took him to the ground because he was resisting. I'm sure the officers are upset by the outcome, regardless, again, of what some of you think, most, unfortunately not all, officers do not have the intent to harm. I wish the best for all involved.
English Teacher wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:47 PM:
Wow, I love this anonymous stuff. This is a comment to many of the folks weighing in on the arrest gone bad. It may not mean you do not have good thoughts but why is it that some who claim to be "educated" do not know the difference between: Your and you are. Your is generally pronounced "yore" and is not the same word as "you're" which is the contraction of "you are" and when properly pronounced rhymes with "sewer" (as in sewage). The three versions of to are not interchangeable. Too is not to or two. To is not too or two, and two is not to or too. There and their and they're are also not interchangeable. They are also not pronounced the same when done correctly. It is too bad the two policemen took it upon themselves to put their training to the test with a little? too much gusto. Their actions there on Dean street may be their downfall. I say to all citizens; It could be you next. Your safety is not guaranteed when you're in the sights of a policeman who has already tried and convicted you and you are outnumbered and have little choice but to suffer the assigned penalty. The double standard allowing police to avoid responsibility in a case like this should not be allowed. The rest of the lesson is some pronounciation coaching.
Garden is not "gar-den". Garden is "gard-en" with emphasis on gard.
Student is not "stu-dent". Student is "stud-ent" (stood-ent) with emphasis on stud. Transient is not "trans-ee-ent". Transient is a French-root word and has a slurred soung when pronounced correctly - transchunt sort of, look it up in your dictionary. Jordan is "jord-an" not "jor-dan". Emphasis on the jord.
And on and on. Get your dictionary out, keep it nearby at all times, pay attention, use it (oh, I forgot, if you don't bother learning how to use it then it won't help). It does have instructions, if you take time to read them. While I am on here let me make one more point. The hands of an analog clock are generally referred to as "the big hand" and "the little hand". Many folks misinterpret "big" to mean "long", and therefore think the big hand is the minute hand, which is indeed usually longer than the hour hand. "Big" does not refer to length, rather girth. The "BIG" hand is the hour hand and the "LITTLE" hand is the minute hand. Originally big and little referred to big/hour and little/minute simply because and hour is 60 times as "big" as a minute. Where did it go wrong? Some well-meaning primary teacher who did their own interpretation because they did not pay attention when it was covered in her/his 2nd grade class.
Garden is not "gar-den". Garden is "gard-en" with emphasis on gard.
Student is not "stu-dent". Student is "stud-ent" (stood-ent) with emphasis on stud. Transient is not "trans-ee-ent". Transient is a French-root word and has a slurred soung when pronounced correctly - transchunt sort of, look it up in your dictionary. Jordan is "jord-an" not "jor-dan". Emphasis on the jord.
And on and on. Get your dictionary out, keep it nearby at all times, pay attention, use it (oh, I forgot, if you don't bother learning how to use it then it won't help). It does have instructions, if you take time to read them. While I am on here let me make one more point. The hands of an analog clock are generally referred to as "the big hand" and "the little hand". Many folks misinterpret "big" to mean "long", and therefore think the big hand is the minute hand, which is indeed usually longer than the hour hand. "Big" does not refer to length, rather girth. The "BIG" hand is the hour hand and the "LITTLE" hand is the minute hand. Originally big and little referred to big/hour and little/minute simply because and hour is 60 times as "big" as a minute. Where did it go wrong? Some well-meaning primary teacher who did their own interpretation because they did not pay attention when it was covered in her/his 2nd grade class.
It's obvious.. wrote on Jan 19, 2008 1:00 PM:
okay, lets put em on the table ..I actually went to a police academy before i went to law school. in the academy they do not teach the same LAW as is taught in LAW school. i will make another analogy. A police officer is as trained in the law, as compared to a lawyer, as a paramedic is trained in medicine as compared to a doctor. 16 weeks af ACADEMY training does NOT compare to yes, 3 years of law school, not to mention most police officers DO NOT even have the inititial 4 years of college. yes, lawyers, as a whole are MUCH more educated and also more intelligent as a whole than police officers.
flipside wrote on Jan 19, 2008 10:55 AM:
This appears in thursday's World article from the police report about what preceded the incident: "...for help in removing items from Foster’s house. While the women were on their way, Foster pursued them...". Looks like Foster was chasing after home robbers caught in the act who were trying to make their getaway with stolen property. No big surprise that he would be angry about it, and in Texas he'd be a local hero.
BBoop wrote on Jan 19, 2008 10:54 AM:
I am in agreement that the same practice that would apply to anyone else that had caused injury should have been exercised in this case. The problem being that law enforcement is "above the law" when it comes to the same procedures that a "citizen" would have to be subjected to. They should have been separated and interrogated as any other suspect. The difference is that they are the "perps" instead of suspects. Their actions are cloaked and considered justified by their positions as "peacekeepers!" If such zealousness had been attached to the Leah Freeman case, or the Jeremy Bright's case those would have been solved years ago. It is scary to think that our local law enforcement is only able to solve cases that are less serious than those that leave families without closure for decades. What a shame.
Who really cares wrote on Jan 19, 2008 9:52 AM:
"It's obvious".......You should change your moniker to; "Totally Oblivious" The only thing "Obvious" about your posts, are your underpinnings that you are superior to those whom you are addressing,or writing about. If you REALLY are a Lawyer, then you would know how "Obnoxious" your statements regarding how un-educated Police really is. A law degree is only 3 years now? Maybe at the community college. Speak to any reputable attorney and they will tell you their education was much longer than that. You imply to be educated, so what research did you do, to find out what is required of law enforcement in obtaining their certification? I think that you will find that they have extensive training in the area of Criminal Law. They are not required to know Civil Law,Torts,Courtroom Proceedure,Latin,Contracts,ect,. Your a Lawyer you know the curriculum. They all know the "Elements" of the law and how it applies to the commission of a crime. Now, we certainly cannot forget their ability to know "all" the ever changing "Case Law" that changes how some of the Basic laws are interpreted, and how it applies to their job. What about continuing education requirements, I think the term you will find is; Certification Maintenance Requirments. Your smarter than the average person I'm sure you know all this. Please keep up the posts I find great humor and enjoy reading your "obscure" points of view. To all in Public Service, keep your chin up and know that those of us who are educated know how truly important you are to us!..... A BIG THANK YOU to all military and law enforcement for keeping my rights free, so I can express my opinion, and enjoy those of others.
theopoo wrote on Jan 19, 2008 8:53 AM:
If Mr. Foster dies will the police officers get a month paid vacation as has happened so many times in the past?
Seems we will still have the fox guarding the hen house.
What would happen to people in an argument and 2 people threw one to the ground and broke his neck? Just wondering.
Seems we will still have the fox guarding the hen house.
What would happen to people in an argument and 2 people threw one to the ground and broke his neck? Just wondering.
Thomas wrote on Jan 19, 2008 8:21 AM:
to 24-7..365: Civilian ride-along observation is not a satisfactory substitute for a real civilian oversight of police activities that Coos county obviously needs. Cops investigating themselves, or the DA's committee which amounts to the same thing, is ineffective for ensuring that our public servants act in our name properly. Let's push for an independent entity to investigate incidents like this in the future, so that citizens can really know that they have a say in how their government works for them.
Richard wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:07 AM:
to: "get back on the topic"
he was arrested therfore he was in custody, therfore he is the resposibility of the Coquille Police Department, which means the tax payers, the city of Coquille should be paying his medical bill. Once someone is arrested they cannpt be "unarrested" So if he is in custody, which they are saying he was restisting arrest, which to me says he is under arrest, well Coquiille cough up the dough and pay for this man's medical bills. Take it up with the mayor he was a cop for the county and I heard he was with some other department for a while He knows!
he was arrested therfore he was in custody, therfore he is the resposibility of the Coquille Police Department, which means the tax payers, the city of Coquille should be paying his medical bill. Once someone is arrested they cannpt be "unarrested" So if he is in custody, which they are saying he was restisting arrest, which to me says he is under arrest, well Coquiille cough up the dough and pay for this man's medical bills. Take it up with the mayor he was a cop for the county and I heard he was with some other department for a while He knows!
No Fan of John Wayne wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:14 PM:
Perhaps the procedure in a situation involving possible criminal acts by law-enforcement personnel needs to be changed. The two officers involved in the Coquille incident should have been immediately separated, same as any suspect in any alleged crime. Then they should immediately make individual statements regarding what happened. Then they should be immediately given "lie-detector" tests based on their statements. Then they should be questioned more based on "deceptive" results of "lie detector" tests. In other words, they should be treated the same as any citizen who may be involved in an incident where grave injury is inflicted upon another, unless of course they have something to hide and choose to "lawyer-up". What am I talking about? It must be plain to see that at least one of the officers put his foot on the victim's back, just below his neck, to hold him down while handcuffing him. Question is - did the officers over-do it? Must have, it usually doesn't break anyone's neck. But it did this time. Why? Maybe the victim already had a weak spot in his neck. So what? Who is responsible then for the broken neck? Unfortunately I am predicting the citizens of Coquille will be held responsible - financially. So it is a matter of risk versus responsibility. If poor judgment is exercised by police officers under the banner of protecting themselves and it is accepted with no consequences then it will continue. It is the same as raising a child. The child knows just how far they can go because the "adult" has allowed them to go there multiple times before invoking punishment. So how fine is the line between what is needed and what is too much? Really a tough one. Maybe the poice need to be on camera at all times to protect everyone from possible poor judgment. I heard from a co-worker of mine the victim had several cracked or broken ribs. I have heard the victim attempted to resist arrest. Is that a blank check for the police to cash? At what point did the victim cease resisting? Was the police effort adjusted to match the lack of resistance? Was it necessary to hold the victim down with a foot on his neck? Hopefully the victim will live and recover and be able to testify in a court of law.
ha ha ha 16 weeks wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:03 PM:
to you 16 weeks.. 16 and my husband is a well trained offivcer,, theres good and bad... i think every one sould think of how the officers and that family is feeling right now,,, accidents happen......
clarence wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:58 PM:
Its really to bad the man didn't pull a sharpie out of his pocket then they would have had a better excuse
m00npenny wrote on Jan 18, 2008 6:07 PM:
It was several years ago, in CA. My sister in law just graduated from the Oakland Police Departments's Police Academy. Within her first 6 months, she started to change, became more critical of those around her, more cynical in her daily life. Then she responded to the call that changed all that. She and about 10 other cars with multiple officers arrived on scene. 4 adults were outside, the son of 2 of the adults. Chased out by a hatchet wielding teen. So far gone on PCP, that nothing could stop him. He had already murdered his sister, she was still in the house, lying in the shower where he hacked her to death. He was going to kill the adults, when they fled the home. The young man started to come out of the house, still holding his hatchet and what appeared to be .. part of his sister. He looked at the officers and said "I'll have you for dessert". He than started to charge an officer. After 6 shots, he finally dropped to the ground. Long story short, he survived and sued the individual officers and the department for "excessive" force. My sister in law resigned her position and went back to teaching. When your a cop, you have NO idea what you are walking into when you get that call.
fearful wrote on Jan 18, 2008 5:28 PM:
President ( right :) )
I bet you pronounce it nucular don't you...going by your writing I could possibly believe you are todays president. It does not matter if they are or are not real police officers for someone to understand what I was trying to say. I don't care if the newspaper is accurate or not...we are on THEIR WEBSITE to make comments on THEIR NEWS STORY. They could report that the sky is green, not an accuracy, but I still might want to comment on it.
I never claimed to be a lawyer! Maybe the real problem here is reading comprehension.
I bet you pronounce it nucular don't you...going by your writing I could possibly believe you are todays president. It does not matter if they are or are not real police officers for someone to understand what I was trying to say. I don't care if the newspaper is accurate or not...we are on THEIR WEBSITE to make comments on THEIR NEWS STORY. They could report that the sky is green, not an accuracy, but I still might want to comment on it.
I never claimed to be a lawyer! Maybe the real problem here is reading comprehension.
GET BACK ON TOPIC wrote on Jan 18, 2008 5:22 PM:
WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH CARL GETTING HIS NECK BROKE. PEOPLE ARE GOING OFF ON THEIR OWN AGENDAS.
PLEASE HELP THE FOSTER FAMILY BY PRAYING FOR THEM OR HELPING THEM OUT WITH BILLS.
HAS ANY OF THESE FRIENDS OF CARL TAKEN A SECOND TO MAYBE START A FUND FOR HIM TO HELP HIS FAMILY OUT INSTEAD OF BASHING THE POLICE ALL DAY.
PUT YOUR EFFORTS IN A MORE POSTIVE DIRECTION.
THINK ABOUT IT, HARD.
PLEASE HELP THE FOSTER FAMILY BY PRAYING FOR THEM OR HELPING THEM OUT WITH BILLS.
HAS ANY OF THESE FRIENDS OF CARL TAKEN A SECOND TO MAYBE START A FUND FOR HIM TO HELP HIS FAMILY OUT INSTEAD OF BASHING THE POLICE ALL DAY.
PUT YOUR EFFORTS IN A MORE POSTIVE DIRECTION.
THINK ABOUT IT, HARD.
President ( right :) ) wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:43 PM:
Mr Fearful do you really think you can make an educated comment on the incident based only on what the news paper has said. How many times does the news miss quote, leave out, and add their own stuff. Come on if you really have a law degree you can even agree on that. And I highly doubt that most of these people are realy you they say they are. These officers may have been wrong and they may have been justified, but do not judge law enforcement off what anyone could claim to be a cop a write in this blog. I'v read the comments by Deputy and I will bet a million dollars he has never or will never be in law enforcement.
carnac wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:37 PM:
FAMILY: If you really are of Mr. Foster's family, then it is heartening to know that the services of an outside of Coos county lawyer has been obtained, as the system here is definitely stacked against you. It is easy to predict that this case will be long, expensive, and discouraging for you no matter the outcome, so best wishes and hang in there to you and Carl.
FACTS wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:34 PM:
THE ONLY TRUE FACT, If the Officers themself said they used to much force and caused Mr. Fosters injuries, the pro-police would still argue that it was a lie. And if MR. Foster himself said he was in the wrong and the officers did nothing wrong, the anti-police would still argue that it was a lie. POINT everyone here has a side with personal agenda and no matter what was the truth the other side would never thing that it was.
fearful wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:30 PM:
24-7..365 ....I think you miss my point, I never said I had negative experiences. Perhaps I should have said "INNATE FEAR AND DISTRUST". I do BELIEVE you have a dangerous job that requires split second decision making. I didn't say you are uneducated either.
The comments I referred to were posted by those claiming to be police and I do think they have an air of superiority about them, at least the comments I quoted ..just so we are clear. I wasn't really asking for a resume either...I was trying to say we aren't all suited for each others jobs..that doesn't make the rest of us inferior to police officers...in regard to those comments.
Once again please if you read nothing else that I wrote read the following sentence." And just because there are comments that this incident bothers us, doesn't meant we are always against law enforcers."
.. And I will explain just so we are clear....I can come to my own conclusion about this incident AS REPORTED BY THIS NEWSPAPER...WHICH IS WHAT I AM HERE TO COMMENT ON. Those conclusion can be independent of my respect and regard for law enforcement.
And for those who ask every one to stop...don't read this. There is nothing wrong with discussing community problems....maybe we will come to an understanding of each other.
The comments I referred to were posted by those claiming to be police and I do think they have an air of superiority about them, at least the comments I quoted ..just so we are clear. I wasn't really asking for a resume either...I was trying to say we aren't all suited for each others jobs..that doesn't make the rest of us inferior to police officers...in regard to those comments.
Once again please if you read nothing else that I wrote read the following sentence." And just because there are comments that this incident bothers us, doesn't meant we are always against law enforcers."
.. And I will explain just so we are clear....I can come to my own conclusion about this incident AS REPORTED BY THIS NEWSPAPER...WHICH IS WHAT I AM HERE TO COMMENT ON. Those conclusion can be independent of my respect and regard for law enforcement.
And for those who ask every one to stop...don't read this. There is nothing wrong with discussing community problems....maybe we will come to an understanding of each other.
HONESTY wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:29 PM:
If anyone really thinks that the DEPUTY is a really deputy,or the FIREMEN is a really a firemen, or IT'S OBVIOUS really has a law degree, or the LAWYER is really a lawyer, etc etc you get the point. The real police, doctors, lawyers, firemen, etc, would not write the stuff these people wrote. This whole blog is full of LIES starting with the names on top to the comments they leave. Who knows all 189 comments could be the same person with a major BI-POLAR issue. The fact is nothing can be taken at face value on this page.
24-7..365 wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:48 PM:
To Fearful and Coquille Concerned Citizens, again I regret your having negative contacts with police and encourage you to come ride. Don't like CQPD, ride with another city, the county or state police. We can explain how we work, what we are doing, you can ask questions, even argue. I think observing us at our job would be informative to you and an opprotunity to express why or how we are seen by you. I'm sure on a weekend you would see examples of disorderly people and get to see how we interact prior to any, if warranted physical control. I think you will also find most of us have a college education?? Also their are several officers I know that have been loggers. Not me, born and raised back east and I wouldn't go out in the ocean if you paid me really well. I have worked in a Coal Mine though, had a factory job, worked in state prisons and served in the military for numerous years. Anyone wishing to ride can contact the agency they want to ride with, that simple. Again come on out.. Let's educate each other..Oh, anyone interested, you have to be over 16 yoa with parents consent/most agencies.
SICK OF IT wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:46 PM:
To the World Newspaper, you call this news this blog is a disgrace to the news, full of fiction and personal agendas on both sides. My advice, shut the blog down and report the news not make a place for people to vent. Everyone on here should be ashamed of themselves I bet both Foster family and the police would be.
Deputy wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:32 PM:
To It's obvious, I highly doubt you have a law degree and have nothing better to do than write on this web blog on a friday afternoon, and no i'm not a deputy a was a Jail Deputy before geting laid off with the other 40 deputies in Coos County, oh and you have never made a typing error, please. If you have a law degree then so do I along with a masters degree in Criminalogy. PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK
obvious doubter wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:25 PM:
I would be mildly interested in knowing what wonderful, public serving, know all, never wrong, line of work Mr. "obvious" is in? You're sooo smart, why don't your put on their badge and try and do their work? Could you last 16 weeks in a police academy?
Based on your negative attitude I doubt
it.
Based on your negative attitude I doubt
it.
all of you wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:11 PM:
stopit. if thaT "family" WAS REALLY THE CHILD OF THE VICTIM WE ALL MUST STOP now. RESPECT THE WISHES OF THE FAMILY.
it's obvious wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:09 PM:
mr deputy, SIR. I DO have a LAW degree, and you DON'T!!! also did you actually mean to write this: "you most be the snartest one of all to know that with no law training
And any idiot knows most of the laws without even going to school"
holy cow. if your skills at enforcing the law are in the same caliber as your writing skills then we are ALL in a world of trouble!!!
And any idiot knows most of the laws without even going to school"
holy cow. if your skills at enforcing the law are in the same caliber as your writing skills then we are ALL in a world of trouble!!!
the REAL "it's obvious" wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:54 PM:
It's Obvious wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:32 PM:
Your right mud slinger, i'm sorry for being a *^#@ head. I was not thinking obviously.
someone stole my id and posted this in a lame attempt to discredit my postings..knock it off !!!!
Your right mud slinger, i'm sorry for being a *^#@ head. I was not thinking obviously.
someone stole my id and posted this in a lame attempt to discredit my postings..knock it off !!!!
It's Obvious wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:32 PM:
Your right mud slinger, i'm sorry for being a *^#@ head. I was not thinking obviously.
Long time resident wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:32 PM:
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU FOR BAD MOUTHING THESE OFFICERS! THEY START THEIR SHIFT EVERY DAY KNOWING THAT THERE'S A POSSIBLITY THAT IT MAY BE THEIR LAST AND YET THE STILL GO TO WORK WILLINGLY EVERY DAY! THEY DESERVE OUR SUPPORT AND RESPECT NOT THE TRASH TALKING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON!
Family wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:29 PM:
What do you people think your doing, defending my dad, your only making the situation worse. We have a Lawyer from Eugene and we are taken care of the matter at hand, just pray for him and leave your own agendas out of my dads case.
Deputy wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:25 PM:
IT's obvious, well you not only seem to know the law but all the facts of the incident, you most be the snartest one of all to know that with no law training
And any idiot knows most of the laws without even going to school, hello right and wrong my 3 yearold could figure that out. A lawyer has to no alot more than just was it a crime, all we need to know is if they broke the law which isn't that hard for people with commen sense.
And any idiot knows most of the laws without even going to school, hello right and wrong my 3 yearold could figure that out. A lawyer has to no alot more than just was it a crime, all we need to know is if they broke the law which isn't that hard for people with commen sense.
Tired of the mud slinging wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:51 PM:
YOU PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES DISGUST ME, have some respect for the poor Foster family and the police officers. Let the lawyers, investigaters, and Distrinct Attorneys Offcie due their jobs. Anti-police people put your effort into helping the Foster family with this horrible accident, and pro-police people put your efforts into helping the officers deal with this horrible accident. AND yes I did say accident, does anyone actually think that these cops would on purpose break his neck, not in a million years, ruff him up maybe. All you people are doing is sounding stupied and helping the World sale papers.
16 weeks? wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:48 PM:
RE you &^%$ kidding me? doctors spend years in medical school, lawyers, including you buddies the prosecutors, spend YEARS in law school...16 weeks????, I am rolling on th floor laughing at your 16 week credentials to enforce the LAW. holy mama.
it's obvious wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:40 PM:
it's obvious that 16 weeks at the academy DOES NOT equal the 3 years of law school that is requiresd to actually know the law, silly head deputy, but how sweet of you folks to try to cram all that knowledge int 16 weeks...
Deputy wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:36 PM:
To It's Obvious, Police go to a 16 week academy that does teach all aspects of law both criminal and traffic, so get educated before making comments that prove that your the uneducated one on the matter.
fearful wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:35 PM:
Fireman...maybe I am misunderstanding you as you are me. I do apologize...all your posts sounded to me as if you were saying the police were right and Mr. Foster was in the wrong.
If you don't read anything else in my post then please at least read this sentence...." And just because there are comments that this incident bothers us, doesn't meant we are always against law enforcers."
If you don't read anything else in my post then please at least read this sentence...." And just because there are comments that this incident bothers us, doesn't meant we are always against law enforcers."
Anne of Oregon wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:24 PM:
My two cents: Who cares if Mr. Foster ahd a previous record? What was important to the story was happened at that place and at that time. Including his record in the article was prejudicial on the part of the paper and made it seem as though they were trying to justify the actions of the police dept. Shame on The World for including it.
Regardless of how you feel about the police, they were doing their job. If Mr. Foster had chosen to behave in a different manner, the police would not have needed to make contact with him in the first place. HE gave the police the opportunity to 'take him down' when he resisted arrest. Had Mr. Foster not resisted, this tragedy would not have happened. Period.
What I want to know is: who is paying for this man's medical care? If he truly will be on a vent the rest of his life, won't that ultimatley be you and me, the taxpayer? I don't really feel that my hard-earned money should have to pay for either parties actions.
Regardless of how you feel about the police, they were doing their job. If Mr. Foster had chosen to behave in a different manner, the police would not have needed to make contact with him in the first place. HE gave the police the opportunity to 'take him down' when he resisted arrest. Had Mr. Foster not resisted, this tragedy would not have happened. Period.
What I want to know is: who is paying for this man's medical care? If he truly will be on a vent the rest of his life, won't that ultimatley be you and me, the taxpayer? I don't really feel that my hard-earned money should have to pay for either parties actions.
aghast! wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:22 PM:
No one is anti-police. Definitely, most of us are anti incompetent, corrupt or abusive police behavior and many of us regard blind support of the police as blatant disrespect for fellow citizens and hazardous to the community at large.
These policemen have probably ended this guys life, if he isn't dead already. Regardless of the circumstances, they should be off the streets until the truth is brought out to protect everyone.
These policemen have probably ended this guys life, if he isn't dead already. Regardless of the circumstances, they should be off the streets until the truth is brought out to protect everyone.
garsh wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:22 PM:
we should just trust the police. they don't lie. obviously this man was a terrible threat to the police and everyone else. who are we to question what the police do. they are always open , honest and trustworthy. I mean, if a person is being arrested it is OBVIOUS he must be guilty, as the police make no mistakes..i know this because they are ALWAY cleared of any misconduct whenever a suspect DIES. criminy,a sharpie alone could cause all kinds of mayhem, and certainly NON-LETHAL methods of subduing a CRIMINAL (remember , because he is a suspect he is already convicted) are out of the question, they must be because of all the suspec...er criminals i have read about who have been killed by the police. So you see, we should just stand harmlessly by and let themdo their good work.
It's obvious wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:02 PM:
it's obvious that police need to be more educated. they should actually be required to KNOW the law, if they are being paid to enforce it. I will make an analogy (a compairison,... for those who do not know what an analogy IS).
Doctors are required to go to Medical school. those who OVERSEE the doctors are required also to have the same knowledge of medicine. Lawyers are required to go to Law school. Those who OVER SEE the law, who enforce it SHOULD be required to have the same knowledge of the law. THEY DO NOT. They are only trained to make arrests and fill out police reports. They are not educated about the very laws they are paid to enforce. This is the BIGGEST problem with the police. Would you like it if the Board of Medical examiners were not qualified physicians who could make determinations as to how the quality of your health care is impacted by your doctor? So why do we STAND for police who are not educated about the law? There needs to be a major legislative change to require those who enforce the law to actually KNOW the law.
Doctors are required to go to Medical school. those who OVERSEE the doctors are required also to have the same knowledge of medicine. Lawyers are required to go to Law school. Those who OVER SEE the law, who enforce it SHOULD be required to have the same knowledge of the law. THEY DO NOT. They are only trained to make arrests and fill out police reports. They are not educated about the very laws they are paid to enforce. This is the BIGGEST problem with the police. Would you like it if the Board of Medical examiners were not qualified physicians who could make determinations as to how the quality of your health care is impacted by your doctor? So why do we STAND for police who are not educated about the law? There needs to be a major legislative change to require those who enforce the law to actually KNOW the law.
90% of Coquille wrote on Jan 18, 2008 12:13 PM:
To its obvius, go around Coquille and talk to the average citizen they all support the police and most dont even know who Foster was. The pro police are not the minority, their is only about 30 anti police" The Concerned Coquille Citizens Group", who have a personal agenda against police, goverment, and military. Get real I live, work, and belong to most of the clubs in Coquille and your talking about the lower half of society that is anti-police in Coquille.
firemen wrote on Jan 18, 2008 12:08 PM:
Fearful, I do know alot more than most the people making comments on here, at least I know Mr. Foster,his family,both officers and have heard some of the facts unlike people on here that make up there on facts, I'm not saying the police are innocent or that Mr. Foster diserved what happened to him. I have been praying for Foster, his family, and the officers family sense this happened. All the people make it sound like the cops did this on purpose and I know that after Foster the two offciers feel the worst of anybody. So quit being a anti police basher and just support The fosters and the police in pray.
fearful wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:42 AM:
Fireman...Did you even read what I wrote or did you just look at my name? I can just skip every comment on here from now on and just read yours...you seem to know the whole situation and more. You have already adjudged what happened and have declared Mr. Foster guilty and the police innocent. Thanks you have saved court time!
Dave wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:21 AM:
To Lynn, 2 of the Coquille Police Officers are certified EMT's and Firefighters with the state of Oregon, not only do they serve our community by being police but they give up their free time to fight fires and save peoples lifes on the Ambulance.
Firemen wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:17 AM:
To fearful this whole blog is unprofessional with people making up stuff just because they hate cops or criminals. At least I have some truthful knowledge of what really happened versus this made up stuff going off rumuors. The anti police people saying it was the cops fault is the same as the pro police people saying it was an accident. Two different sides and nobody wants to look at the other possible side of what could have happened.
firemen wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:12 AM:
To fearful, using the name fearful sounds like your anti-police all the way. Lets see what if Mr. Foster had a prior neck injurie from when he hurt his ribs, he was complaining of neck pain before this incident ask anyone in his family. And if a police offcier places you under arrest right or wrong thats what court and lawyers are for you dont get to decide not to listen to them. Then you try and punch on of them so they take you down like thousands of cops take down people everyday only this time whta would normally do nothing to someones neck broke because of his prior injuries, point I'm sure the two officers feel just as bad as anyone else about what happened, but the fact still remains if he would have done what is REQUIRED by law and that is to obey any order by any law enforcement right or wrong, and yes that is true look it up in the ORS, then he would have had his say in court and would not be in the hospital.
fearful wrote on Jan 18, 2008 9:46 AM:
I don't think we come into this world with a distrust or admiration of law enforcement. It is developed during our lifetime by our own experience or knowledge of others experiences. I notice that those who claim to be police or retired police officers commenting on this site convey a sort of superiority. Comments such as "you uninformed people", "you weren't there and never could be", and my favorite considering how Mr. Foster got in the condition he was in..."HOW CAN YOU SAY A POLICE OFFICER IS WRONG FOR SAVING A PERSONS LIVE AFTER THEY TRIED TO PUNCH HIM OUT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED".
Most of us do have a great respect for law enforcement, but we also have FEAR and DISTRUST, because for whatever reason you decided to become a police officer, you have POWER over us...whether we are right or in the wrong. No, most of us couldn't do your job, but you probably aren't man enough to be a logger, smart enough to be an attorney or a doctor, patient enough to be a nurse,tough enough to be a commercial fisherman, etc.. I don't mean that in a belittling way ...we are all different and we all have our own reason for choosing a profession. And just because there are comments that this incident bothers us, doesn't meant we are always against law enforcers.
Fireman...I don't know if you really are a fireman but by using the childs name and hinting at your knowledge of the entire situation makes you sound very unprofessional.
Most of us do have a great respect for law enforcement, but we also have FEAR and DISTRUST, because for whatever reason you decided to become a police officer, you have POWER over us...whether we are right or in the wrong. No, most of us couldn't do your job, but you probably aren't man enough to be a logger, smart enough to be an attorney or a doctor, patient enough to be a nurse,tough enough to be a commercial fisherman, etc.. I don't mean that in a belittling way ...we are all different and we all have our own reason for choosing a profession. And just because there are comments that this incident bothers us, doesn't meant we are always against law enforcers.
Fireman...I don't know if you really are a fireman but by using the childs name and hinting at your knowledge of the entire situation makes you sound very unprofessional.
it's obvious wrote on Jan 18, 2008 9:42 AM:
it appears to me, by the number of comments so far in a single day that people are angry and fed up with the police "doing their jobs" at the expense of the safety of the very citizens they are supposed to be protecting. to those of you DEFENDING the police, you might want to think about why your voice seems to be the minority voice. blind faith has been the downfall of many a civilization. we might want to think abouit a more EDUCATED police force (as someone suggested). This "blind faith" in a government entity is the same reason we are sending our sons and daughters to a needless war and to their deaths.
proud to be free also alawyer wrote on Jan 18, 2008 9:20 AM:
your comment "that person does not have to talk to the police " says it all!
OUTSIDER wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:15 AM:
JODI IF THE YOUNG GIRL MEANT SO MUCH TO HIM WHY WAS HE RESISTING IN FRONT OF HER TO BEGIN WITH? IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE ABOUT THESE OFFICERS THEN WHY WOULD HE JEOPARDIZE HER IN THAT WAY?? DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME??
Jodi wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:07 AM:
And I'm not bashing the cops it just doesn't seem right how his neck broke!!
Jodi wrote on Jan 18, 2008 7:58 AM:
Fireman,
If you knew Carl at all he considers Lila his daughter,so get your facts right.They both love each other a lot,and that really could hurt a little girls feelings if she ever seen that.
If you knew Carl at all he considers Lila his daughter,so get your facts right.They both love each other a lot,and that really could hurt a little girls feelings if she ever seen that.
OUTSIDER wrote on Jan 18, 2008 7:34 AM:
I suggest to everyone who is against the police and have complete knowledge of what happened that day to seriously look into police or detective work. You obviously have a knack for police work since you know things about what happened that day with out talking to anyone involved or being there yourself. Who is the ace who has the info about the Dr. and the boot print on the back? If you are in the medical field I really hope you didn't violate any confidentiality policies from the hospital! And if your not in the medical field how did you know what the Dr. said?? You are GOOD You all are really good at this investigating! I didn't realize that there is no need for police to carry guns and interview people, they can obviously sit down at their computers, read articles, and listen to small town gossip and whammo the case is solved!!! GIVE ME A BREAK!
jeff wrote on Jan 18, 2008 7:04 AM:
If our so called D.A. wanted to find out what really happened he would have put another police agency outside of this county on the case. Sounds like a possible coverup for our police departments. Is there a way to get D.A. Frasier out of there. I have questioned their (burgetts and frasiers) methods and motives for sometime it all seems like they have been motivated by payoffs. Only rumors from another county D.A.
lyn wrote on Jan 18, 2008 6:54 AM:
hey flabbergasted. Have you ever thought that the police could be wrong? or the D.A. could be wrong. Maybe the criminal mishief was so minor "it was over a cracked windshield" I have seen instances where a victim was arrested instead of the perpetrator. Totally opposite of who should have been arrested. I have seen people charged for crimes because they were trying to protect something of theirs from sombody else. This county is not all that angel like. their are good cops and more bad cops then what you would like to believe.
lyn wrote on Jan 18, 2008 6:46 AM:
since when are the coquille police and our so called D.A. licensed medical personel. The D.A. and the police have no right to determine what is or is not a serious injury. That should ber left up to the real pros. The police need to do the arrests and The D.A. just needs to do what he is supposed to. Not determine who is and who isn't hurt.
JIm wrote on Jan 18, 2008 5:40 AM:
Sounds to me like a combination of two things - a) stupidity on the victim's part and b) overzealous police.
If both sides had acted in a sane, adult manner none of this would have happened. Trying to pin the blame on Foster alone or the police alone ...well...it was both parties' faults.
Helpful hint: Foster....DONT smash windshields of cars. Police: subdue, dont beat the living hell out of the suspect.
If both sides had acted in a sane, adult manner none of this would have happened. Trying to pin the blame on Foster alone or the police alone ...well...it was both parties' faults.
Helpful hint: Foster....DONT smash windshields of cars. Police: subdue, dont beat the living hell out of the suspect.
Long time Coquille Resident wrote on Jan 18, 2008 12:18 AM:
To all you people bashing the police, you seem to have more issues then just this one case. People who work due what there told to do if they want to keep their job. I have lived in Coquille my whole life, 58 years, and know must of the Coquille officers before they were cops, most grew up in are town. I know that they are could people with good values and ethics. Dont blame the police for doing what their Chief tells them to do. It would not matter what police you had in Coquille they would all still do what Reaves wanted them to do or they would leave. I have seen tons of police come and go from are small town and the only thing Reaves has done right is to hire local boys who know the town and the people in it. You talk about bad cops look back at some of these cops that Coquille hired form out of the area and they lasted 1 to 2 years causing all kinds of grief in the process, remember. You want to see bad cops you should talk to my sister in Portland you Coquille cop bashers would not know a real bad cop if they hit you in the head. As far as this current topic about this Foster guy well let the family, lawyers, and DA's handle it and if you want to stop the way Coquille cops do their job then dont get mad at them talk to the man that tells them what to do, Chief Reaves.
Firemen wrote on Jan 18, 2008 12:06 AM:
To Heather what simple facts, this whole blog is full of peoples own take on what happened, and mine I know both officers and Foster and have heard both the officers accounts and talked with delielah, the little girl that saw it happen from inside the house, oh and for the record not Fosters kid she's Lurais kid, Fosters ex. And when you make stupid comments I will address my comments back to you.
ANNOYED wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:18 PM:
JOANNE- CHECK YOUR FACTS. THE FOLLOW UP ARTICLE STATES THE WOMEN WERE "GOING" TO HIS HOUSE NOT THAT THEY HAD MADE ENTRY. THEY HAD NOT COMMITTED A CRIME SO WHAT IS THERE TO REPORT?
PEACE KEEPER wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:33 PM:
I find all of you people absolutely hilarious. "all coos county police are corrupt", "anti police are crackheads or convicts". Shame on all of you.
I too was antipolice at one time, but guess what, I GREW UP!!! I had a family member murdered (shot in the back by his best friend) over 10 years ago. The police responded to the call, investigated, found and arrested the suspect with out incident. The WORLD newspaper decided at that time to add his "record" (my cousin's not the murderer's) to their coverage of the story as if to justify his murder. Who is to blame for that? NOT THE POLICE! The DA decided to accept a plea bargain of manslaughter and the murderer is now free and living in North Bend after serving less than 10 years in prison. Who is to blame? NOT THE POLICE! My cousin's son will never know his father. Who is to blame? NOT THE POLICE!!! I think you are getting my point.
As for Mr. Foster's unfortunate incident.....we cannot say who is to blame. I do have some questions for you anti police though, because you seem to know all the answers. If the man had previous broken ribs how did he get them? Could it have anything to do with his obvious violent history? Could it be possible that at the same time he injured his ribs he had sustained an injury to his neck that had weakened it? To the nurse claiming it would take great force to break someone's neck can you also go ahead and educate the public on what drugs can do to your bones? Do any of you personally know Mr. Foster? Have any of you considered that he was convicted of violating a restraining order..... Last time I checked those usually were issued because of some sort of violent or assualtive behavior? Have any of you spoke or know the victims of Mr. Foster's crimes. Why don't you stop and think or ask them, if you know them, how they feel about the police.
I wonder if some of you read the same article I did. Mr. Foster had several convictions of crimes, and I am not talking about the driving cites. I am going to assume none of you have been a victim of Mr. Foster. I know the next thing most of you will say is you are a victim of the police. What is funny is those of you who complain about what the police are doing are the same ones who will complain when an officer doesn't immediately respond when your neighbor's dog is barking!
To all of you who are saying all police in this county are corrupt....I take offense to that. I work alongside some of these officers you are calling corrupt. No, I am not an officer nor would I ever want to be, for this very reason. These officers risk their lives for me and for you. Not to mention the many nights of sleep, weekends, holidays, and vacations they have sacrificed to serve and protect us all. What have you done for your community or even for your neighbor lately?
To those who seem to think they need to dissolve the Coquille Police Dept and have the Coos County Sherriff's office cover their city. I would love to see your opinions when your house has been burglarized and they inform you they will give it a case number for documentation because no deputy is available and they will only respond to "person to person" crimes. Not to mention if it was a "person to person" crime the closest deputy would be responding from Lakeside. I am sure you would have nothing to complain about then, you definitely would not be "harrassed" by the police anymore.
To the police believers. Not all the anti police are "crack heads" or "convicts". I truly believe they are just uneducated in the laws and police procedure. I too was with them at one time but I made a choice to educate myself in what it is they do and what the laws in oregon are. Go to court hearings, go to police dept to ask for a ride along, or just ask if they have a public log you can view of the calls they handle day in day out. I also suggest you research crimes and "corrupt" police in other cities and states and compare it to what we have here in our small community.
In the mean time while you all are fighting over corrupt police and crackheads who are anti police. I will continue to pray for all the people involved. I just wish everyone would realize that all the officer's not just Bryant and Webley are PEOPLE. They are someone's son/daughter, father/mother, grandpa/grandma.....every stone you throw hits that officer and their husband/wife, their parents, their children, their brother/sister, & their grandchildren. Just as with Mr. Foster and his family members. Please everyone just shut up and let the police investigating do their jobs. I am a 100% convinced the truth will come out, whatever it may be. I have my opinion just as you do, but again it is just an opinion isn't it. Not one of us can say what we would do in that situation (whether it is Mr. Foster, the police officers, or the 80 year old female sitting in her car) because as it has been said over and over again. WE WERE NOT THERE!!!!
I too was antipolice at one time, but guess what, I GREW UP!!! I had a family member murdered (shot in the back by his best friend) over 10 years ago. The police responded to the call, investigated, found and arrested the suspect with out incident. The WORLD newspaper decided at that time to add his "record" (my cousin's not the murderer's) to their coverage of the story as if to justify his murder. Who is to blame for that? NOT THE POLICE! The DA decided to accept a plea bargain of manslaughter and the murderer is now free and living in North Bend after serving less than 10 years in prison. Who is to blame? NOT THE POLICE! My cousin's son will never know his father. Who is to blame? NOT THE POLICE!!! I think you are getting my point.
As for Mr. Foster's unfortunate incident.....we cannot say who is to blame. I do have some questions for you anti police though, because you seem to know all the answers. If the man had previous broken ribs how did he get them? Could it have anything to do with his obvious violent history? Could it be possible that at the same time he injured his ribs he had sustained an injury to his neck that had weakened it? To the nurse claiming it would take great force to break someone's neck can you also go ahead and educate the public on what drugs can do to your bones? Do any of you personally know Mr. Foster? Have any of you considered that he was convicted of violating a restraining order..... Last time I checked those usually were issued because of some sort of violent or assualtive behavior? Have any of you spoke or know the victims of Mr. Foster's crimes. Why don't you stop and think or ask them, if you know them, how they feel about the police.
I wonder if some of you read the same article I did. Mr. Foster had several convictions of crimes, and I am not talking about the driving cites. I am going to assume none of you have been a victim of Mr. Foster. I know the next thing most of you will say is you are a victim of the police. What is funny is those of you who complain about what the police are doing are the same ones who will complain when an officer doesn't immediately respond when your neighbor's dog is barking!
To all of you who are saying all police in this county are corrupt....I take offense to that. I work alongside some of these officers you are calling corrupt. No, I am not an officer nor would I ever want to be, for this very reason. These officers risk their lives for me and for you. Not to mention the many nights of sleep, weekends, holidays, and vacations they have sacrificed to serve and protect us all. What have you done for your community or even for your neighbor lately?
To those who seem to think they need to dissolve the Coquille Police Dept and have the Coos County Sherriff's office cover their city. I would love to see your opinions when your house has been burglarized and they inform you they will give it a case number for documentation because no deputy is available and they will only respond to "person to person" crimes. Not to mention if it was a "person to person" crime the closest deputy would be responding from Lakeside. I am sure you would have nothing to complain about then, you definitely would not be "harrassed" by the police anymore.
To the police believers. Not all the anti police are "crack heads" or "convicts". I truly believe they are just uneducated in the laws and police procedure. I too was with them at one time but I made a choice to educate myself in what it is they do and what the laws in oregon are. Go to court hearings, go to police dept to ask for a ride along, or just ask if they have a public log you can view of the calls they handle day in day out. I also suggest you research crimes and "corrupt" police in other cities and states and compare it to what we have here in our small community.
In the mean time while you all are fighting over corrupt police and crackheads who are anti police. I will continue to pray for all the people involved. I just wish everyone would realize that all the officer's not just Bryant and Webley are PEOPLE. They are someone's son/daughter, father/mother, grandpa/grandma.....every stone you throw hits that officer and their husband/wife, their parents, their children, their brother/sister, & their grandchildren. Just as with Mr. Foster and his family members. Please everyone just shut up and let the police investigating do their jobs. I am a 100% convinced the truth will come out, whatever it may be. I have my opinion just as you do, but again it is just an opinion isn't it. Not one of us can say what we would do in that situation (whether it is Mr. Foster, the police officers, or the 80 year old female sitting in her car) because as it has been said over and over again. WE WERE NOT THERE!!!!
Andrew Meyer wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:20 PM:
Don't tase me bro!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
m00npenny wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:17 PM:
It's too bad Foster suffered a life threatening injury. I pray for his family that they get through this and that Foster recovers from his injuries. I hope people realize what consequenses there are when living a lifestyle that involves being "known" to law enforcement.
Obviously Fosters arrogance and his previous confrontations with Coquille PD allowed him to think he could "make this fun" for the officers. He wasnt going to be taken in peacefully, he chose to be violent and resistive, even with his child there. What about the officers ? How many times have any of you had a gun pointed at you ? Have any of you been in a situation that you think "this could be it" and start thinking of your children, spouse and parents, and its not the first time its happened and you know it will happen again. How would you like to walk around all day, wearing a bullet proof vest, knowing that you are a target? To know that if you do your job and you "protect and serve", that some bleeding heart is going to try and have you brought up on charges because you "hurt someones feelings".
I have had to call the police when my rights as a citizen were being violated by someone, and they did what was necessary to get me to safety and arrest the person who was hurting me. And they will do the same for you. They dont know you, they dont know what you do for a living or how many kids you have. They dont know that it was you who wrote bad things about them in a newspaper blog, and they dont care if you did. They know nothing about you, only that you are a victim and need to be made safe. They will be shot at, stabbed, bottles thown at them, injured or even killed, all while trying to help you. Cops see the worst of humanity. Why did Foster shatter a windshield? Was it his to break ? Was he using it to threaten or intimidate someone ? Why did he resist arrest? Was it a game to him ? Did he want to "play" with the cops to see who could take who down?
Think about it, when you call 911.
Obviously Fosters arrogance and his previous confrontations with Coquille PD allowed him to think he could "make this fun" for the officers. He wasnt going to be taken in peacefully, he chose to be violent and resistive, even with his child there. What about the officers ? How many times have any of you had a gun pointed at you ? Have any of you been in a situation that you think "this could be it" and start thinking of your children, spouse and parents, and its not the first time its happened and you know it will happen again. How would you like to walk around all day, wearing a bullet proof vest, knowing that you are a target? To know that if you do your job and you "protect and serve", that some bleeding heart is going to try and have you brought up on charges because you "hurt someones feelings".
I have had to call the police when my rights as a citizen were being violated by someone, and they did what was necessary to get me to safety and arrest the person who was hurting me. And they will do the same for you. They dont know you, they dont know what you do for a living or how many kids you have. They dont know that it was you who wrote bad things about them in a newspaper blog, and they dont care if you did. They know nothing about you, only that you are a victim and need to be made safe. They will be shot at, stabbed, bottles thown at them, injured or even killed, all while trying to help you. Cops see the worst of humanity. Why did Foster shatter a windshield? Was it his to break ? Was he using it to threaten or intimidate someone ? Why did he resist arrest? Was it a game to him ? Did he want to "play" with the cops to see who could take who down?
Think about it, when you call 911.
Amazed wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:35 PM:
First of all, to all of you who keep mentioning Foster's daughter, she is not mentioned in the article at all. Also, get real! The guy is 57 years old, I seriously doubt that he has a daughter young enough to be traumatized by this event as earlier posted by "the commentators." I agree that, yes, he did resist arrest, but, no, the police didn't need to use that much force. My brother has been harrassed by the Coquille Police Department, my fiance by the North Bend Police Department, yet I still manage to be gracious towards our Policemen because aside from a few "bad seeds" they are generally there to do what they are trained to do and to follow the path of what they believe they are doing to help this community.
P.S. Who's to say that this guy didn't already have a previous back injury, after all it sounds like he was into constuction type work...
Food For Thought
P.S. Who's to say that this guy didn't already have a previous back injury, after all it sounds like he was into constuction type work...
Food For Thought
NOT AS CONFOUNDED wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:13 PM:
Thank you FIREMEN, but I was simply asking what "resisting" meant - it could refer to a range of actions. Calm down, it was just a question. I'm trying not to make any judgements, I just wanted more information. Weifarere clarified what exactly happened to constitute resisting arrest. No one said anything about jerking their arm away, that was just hypothetical scenario.
CONCERNED wrote on Jan 17, 2008 4:58 PM:
I know in these types of situations many people have thier own opinions so I thought I may as well give my two cents as well. I am glad to hear that I am not the only one concerned with the police force in this rural town. Does anyone know that a window was actually broke? or was he being harrassed? None of us know the real fact, the fact of the matter is this 57 year old man, that is 5'4" and all of 135 pounds ended up with a broken neck after contact with the police. hmmmm... Many many are arrested daily in the USA, some even elude officers by car and SMASH into things and still do not come out in the type of conditions this guy has. I may not know exactly what happen, but I must say it smells real fishy, and as others agree I am sure the officers will use air freshner to cover up the smell, but the problem and truth will always be there!!!
ponder wrote on Jan 17, 2008 4:57 PM:
to all of you kneejerking to the defense of the police, i ask you this: would you still be so supportive if it were your father, or mother or sister or brother or daughter or son, lying in that hospital clinging to life?
Proud To Serve wrote on Jan 17, 2008 4:40 PM:
Jason,
Actually, it is my day off, so I have the time. Those of us that work get days off.
Proud to be Free,
There are three types of encounters between police officers and citizens:
Mere conversation, or mere encounter which is questioning without any restrain of liberty, which requires no justification.
Stop, a temporary restraint of a person's libery, justified by reasonable suspicion and,
Arrest which is justified by probable cause.
So, I can stop and talk with anybody I want to at any time. I can do this as a citizen which I also am in addition to a police officer. You see, I pay taxes too. Under your way of thinking, nobody should talk to anybody else that they don't know. Perhaps you should be aware of the law before you start spouting off what you think is the law. Here is a start: Terry vs Ohio 392 US 1 or ORS 131.605. I gave you the verbage now figure it out on your own.
Actually, it is my day off, so I have the time. Those of us that work get days off.
Proud to be Free,
There are three types of encounters between police officers and citizens:
Mere conversation, or mere encounter which is questioning without any restrain of liberty, which requires no justification.
Stop, a temporary restraint of a person's libery, justified by reasonable suspicion and,
Arrest which is justified by probable cause.
So, I can stop and talk with anybody I want to at any time. I can do this as a citizen which I also am in addition to a police officer. You see, I pay taxes too. Under your way of thinking, nobody should talk to anybody else that they don't know. Perhaps you should be aware of the law before you start spouting off what you think is the law. Here is a start: Terry vs Ohio 392 US 1 or ORS 131.605. I gave you the verbage now figure it out on your own.
Luvin POLICE WORK! wrote on Jan 17, 2008 4:40 PM:
I MUST SAY THAT AS AN OFFICER IN COOS COUNTY, I LOVE CASES THAT INVOLVE A GOOD DEAL OF INVESTAGATION. I MUST SAY HOWEVER, THAT THIS CASE IS CUT AND DRY. I FEEL FOR CARL FOSTER AS I HAVE DEALT WITH HIM IN THE PAST AND HAVE FOUND HIM TO BE A GENTLE BUT VOLITILE MAN. I PRAY FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY. BUT WHY PROSECUTE THE POLICE OFFICERS PRIOR TO ANY HEARING?
I HAVE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS IN COOS COUNTY. I HAVE HAD MY FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WERE POLICE OFFICER KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. i MUST SAY THAT EVERY TIME I GO TO WORK, I KISS MY WIFE AND TELL HER THAT I WILL SEE HER IN THE MORNING. I TRULY MEAN THAT, AND IF ANYTHING STANDS IN MY WAY I MUST DEAL WITH THAT. THESE OFFICERS SAVED THIS MANS LIFE IN THE END BY PREFORMING CPR AND NOTICING THAT THIS MAN WAS NOT RESPONDING AFTER THE TAKE DOWN, AND THEN PROVIDING HIM WITH LIFE SUPPORT BY BREATHING FOR HIM AND CONDUCTING CHEST COMPRESSIONS. HOW CAN YOU SAY A POLICE OFFICER IS WRONG FOR SAVING A PERSONS LIVE AFTER THEY TRIED TO PUNCH HIM OUT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. GOD BLESS ALL INVOLVED AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS.
I HAVE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS IN COOS COUNTY. I HAVE HAD MY FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WERE POLICE OFFICER KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. i MUST SAY THAT EVERY TIME I GO TO WORK, I KISS MY WIFE AND TELL HER THAT I WILL SEE HER IN THE MORNING. I TRULY MEAN THAT, AND IF ANYTHING STANDS IN MY WAY I MUST DEAL WITH THAT. THESE OFFICERS SAVED THIS MANS LIFE IN THE END BY PREFORMING CPR AND NOTICING THAT THIS MAN WAS NOT RESPONDING AFTER THE TAKE DOWN, AND THEN PROVIDING HIM WITH LIFE SUPPORT BY BREATHING FOR HIM AND CONDUCTING CHEST COMPRESSIONS. HOW CAN YOU SAY A POLICE OFFICER IS WRONG FOR SAVING A PERSONS LIVE AFTER THEY TRIED TO PUNCH HIM OUT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. GOD BLESS ALL INVOLVED AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS.
Lawyer wrote on Jan 17, 2008 4:23 PM:
Proud to be free maybe you should read the civil rights, an offcier does have the right to causal contact anybody for any reason that person does not have to talk to the police but the police can try and if a person is out dressed in black at 1:00 am in the moring then yes they do have the right to see what he is doing and by all means the should.
Firemen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 4:19 PM:
To Joann if he would have talked to the police about what he did to the 80 year olds womens window instead of fighting with them then he could have had his say on why he used a hammer to bash in a window to get to his ex-girlfriend and the old lady.
Joanne wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:46 PM:
Foster’s ex-girlfriend asked an elderly woman for help in removing items from Foster’s house. So why isn't she getting charges pressed on her,OH I FORGOT CARL FOSTER DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ,HE WAS RUSHED TO SACRED HEART HOSPITAL!
coquille lucille wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:33 PM:
It is interesting that so many of you that are saying nobody knows what the facts are can then turn around and say the officers were justified. Isn't that also a judgement based on speculation and not fact?
Thomas wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:23 PM:
to PROUD TO BE FREE 2:41 PM: You are 100% correct as to the law. Perhaps as a community service, the ACLU wallet-sized-cards outlining what your rights as an American citizen are regarding the police should be distributed free at our libraries or at least somewhere? If this is in fact a nation of law, then the police should observe it too.
Current Resident wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:21 PM:
Why is it that most of the people attacking the police in this story keep coming up with the response "how do you know, you weren't there!" when somebody says something defending the officers? What I want to know is what in the world were all you people doing there? You seem to know exactly what happened and correct anybody elses statements. I am very impressed!!
Linda wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:08 PM:
To Weifarere, should the Chief be talking to anyone about this but to the investigating team? Or is he on the investigating team? And how can he say what happened, was he there?
heather wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:47 PM:
if you can not handle simple facts, with out targeting one person maybe you should not respond
proud to be free wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:41 PM:
you, as an officer do NOT have the right to stop and question a person JUST because he is walking down the street at midnight. those of you that enforce the law should actually LEARN the law. If the police were required to go to law school then: #1 we would only have intelligent police officers, and #2 we would have less incidents like this one.
Weifarere wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:38 PM:
After having spoken to Chief Reaves personally, what would one call a reporter that left vital information out of a story:
The woman Forster was trying to get at when he smashed the car windshield in with the hammer is 80 years old. The windshield is smashed, not cracked.
What would Foster had done if he could have gotten to the woman?
Foster balled his hand up into a fist to swing at officer Webley, who pivoted Foster into Bryant who grabbed his other arm. Webley then swept Foster's legs taking him to the ground. Standard police take down procedure.
Odd that those who would most claim rights do not afford those same rights to those who serve and protect them.
The woman Forster was trying to get at when he smashed the car windshield in with the hammer is 80 years old. The windshield is smashed, not cracked.
What would Foster had done if he could have gotten to the woman?
Foster balled his hand up into a fist to swing at officer Webley, who pivoted Foster into Bryant who grabbed his other arm. Webley then swept Foster's legs taking him to the ground. Standard police take down procedure.
Odd that those who would most claim rights do not afford those same rights to those who serve and protect them.
Firemen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:24 PM:
To Confounded who said anything about just jerking an arm away, their has been no mention of what he did to resist arrest execpt what people who don't know what happened making up their on story line only 3 people know the truth Mr. Foster, may god be with him, and Officer Bryant and Officer Webley.
firemen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:22 PM:
To Heather, my point exactly I was not there neither were you or the rest of the people making comments about what they don't know.
Weifarere wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:03 PM:
I see two conclusions that can be wrought from reading these posted comments.
1. People are more than willing to jump to a conclusion on the very least amount of available information. All of you should be ashamed. Foster at the very least got a day in court that many of you seem unwilling to extend to the police.
2. Coquille needs to add lithium to the water supply.
1. People are more than willing to jump to a conclusion on the very least amount of available information. All of you should be ashamed. Foster at the very least got a day in court that many of you seem unwilling to extend to the police.
2. Coquille needs to add lithium to the water supply.
CONFOUNDED wrote on Jan 17, 2008 1:58 PM:
Define resisting arrest. If two officers come to arrest someone and reach for their arm - isn't it a natural reaction to jerk away? Is this considered resisting arrest? That could happen to almost anybody. I'd like to know...
summary wrote on Jan 17, 2008 1:18 PM:
after reading all 117 comments that are present while typing this, I come away with the impression that its all less about this one case and more about a deeply felt frustration over unsolved murders, missing persons, corrupt police officers, and drug abusers/criminals. you don't have to be on one side or the other to realize that I think we've all just had enough. our communities are too small. we know who killed who, we know which cops are receving favors from teenage girls, we know who to stay away from. Something needs to change in/for this county...... perhaps the new d.a. can create a change? our fabulous commissioners? we're all screwed.
Thomas wrote on Jan 17, 2008 1:12 PM:
to FIREMEN at 11:13 AM: He was charged by Coquille cops with 6 serious crimes, and not found guilty of any! Even our marginally competent DA ought to be able to get at least a plea bargain out of that if any were valid. This incident is not passing the smell test of many people who have experienced how police really behave and lie about it with impunity afterwards.
Rodney K wrote on Jan 17, 2008 12:25 PM:
"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?"
aghast! wrote on Jan 17, 2008 12:25 PM:
Mr Foster cannot even blink his eyes without assistance. The attending doctor noted the shoe imprint on the back of his shirt and head - asked for an impression of the officers' shoes and submitted the same to the 'investigating' unit.
If our local police force are so terrified for their own lives during the commission of their work that they are prone to over reacting then they become a hazard to the community NOT a help. Scared cops are dangerous!
If our local police force are so terrified for their own lives during the commission of their work that they are prone to over reacting then they become a hazard to the community NOT a help. Scared cops are dangerous!
firemen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 12:18 PM:
To Heather, Did you see what happened, didn't think so, people you deal with mandate how much force you use if you don't know that then your making up the training you went too. I hope some day something happens accidentally to a person your dealing with then you can be in the same shoes as these cops
Lawful Citizen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 12:12 PM:
My house was broken into several years ago, caught the guy in the act, called 911, police showed up 3 hours later. Said they were sorry there was nothing they could do because the suspect had dissapeared.. Was I supposed to ask him to stay around and wait??? My car got a flat tire, parked on the street in front of my house, 25 minutes later a cop came to tell me that 'disabled' vehicles can't be parked on a public street.... No, I guess we don't have a police problem do we....
jjjrunner wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:49 AM:
To proud to serve: I agree with what you said and want to thank you for your service.
heather wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:48 AM:
To Fireman
The point was i had to go through state mandated training. To properly control situations without use of weapons. I know about his prior condition also.
The point was i had to go through state mandated training. To properly control situations without use of weapons. I know about his prior condition also.
Jason wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:47 AM:
to Fireman, Boy your mind really wanders. If that's what I wanted to say I would have said it. I know some pretty nice cops that have said them selves that their are cops that shouldn't be. And that was in NB.
Jason wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:44 AM:
To NB Cop, we won't get the true facts, that's part of the issue. Are you making stuff up? Boy you're working hard too!
ANGIE*** wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:43 AM:
WHY DOES EVERYBODY HALF TO BE SO HATEFUL
TO EACH OTHER? TALK ABOUT LACK OF RESPECT... IM ONLY 22 YEARS OLD, BUT MY MOMMA TAUGHT ME BETTER THAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL AND NASTY, WHO CARES WHAT OTHERS OPINIONS ARE, YOU GUYS MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK BAD.
TO EACH OTHER? TALK ABOUT LACK OF RESPECT... IM ONLY 22 YEARS OLD, BUT MY MOMMA TAUGHT ME BETTER THAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL AND NASTY, WHO CARES WHAT OTHERS OPINIONS ARE, YOU GUYS MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK BAD.
Buisness owner in Coquille wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:40 AM:
A incident between a man and 2 cops, lets see the cops have to be guilty because their cops and the man got hurt. Because nobody gets hurt accidentally in the world right, not with those cops around. I hope that every person with a negative comment without knowing the true facts has sonething happen in their lifes that they need the cops thta put their life on the line everyday for even people like you who are so quick to judge them.
firemen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:34 AM:
So Jason that attitude tells me that you think all cops are wrong and all criminals are just misunderstood people. Give me a break do you have any commen sense
NB cop wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:29 AM:
Michael I'm sure you have worked with and know all the police in Coos County, give me a break. I'm a cop and I don't even know a third of the cops in Coos County. People quit making stuff up and wait for the facts to come out.
Firemen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:25 AM:
Heather your comparing apples to oranges, so if one of your handicap people was under arrest and he tried to fight the cops what would you have liked them to do use a weapon on him, all they did was take him down on the ground did anyone take the time to think that maybe he had a prior condition that left him more open to injuries then then the average person.
ANG***GIRL wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:24 AM:
YEY OFFICER BRYANT!!! LOOK AT THIS MESS OF OVER OPINIONATED PEOPLE THAT DONT REALIZE... YOU WERE JUST DOING YOU JOB!! (LIKE MOST OF US DO WHEN WE GO TO WORK)
I BET YOU FEEL FAMOUS, I MEAN I WOULD IF I HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE ARGUING ABOUT GOOD COP, BAD COP CRAP. WELL I LOVE THE PO,PO.
ITS BECAUSE OF BRYANT THAT THE CRACK HEADS QUIT TRYING TO BREAK INTO MY HOUSE, HE SAID "DO YOU LIKE DOGS?" OF COURSE I DO OFFICER, "WELL ID SUGGEST YOU GET ONE" SO I WENT AND GOT ME A BIG ASS PIT BULL THAT BIT THE CRAP OUT OF THE NEXT TWEAKER THAT KICKED IN MY DOOR.
SO QUIT TALKING CRAP AND GO BECOME A COQUILLE COP IF YOU THINK YOU COULD DO BETTER... I THINK THE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN ARE SWEET KIND PEOPLE, WE SHOULD KICK THOSE OVER OPINIONATED DUMMIES OUTTA HERE!
I BET YOU FEEL FAMOUS, I MEAN I WOULD IF I HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE ARGUING ABOUT GOOD COP, BAD COP CRAP. WELL I LOVE THE PO,PO.
ITS BECAUSE OF BRYANT THAT THE CRACK HEADS QUIT TRYING TO BREAK INTO MY HOUSE, HE SAID "DO YOU LIKE DOGS?" OF COURSE I DO OFFICER, "WELL ID SUGGEST YOU GET ONE" SO I WENT AND GOT ME A BIG ASS PIT BULL THAT BIT THE CRAP OUT OF THE NEXT TWEAKER THAT KICKED IN MY DOOR.
SO QUIT TALKING CRAP AND GO BECOME A COQUILLE COP IF YOU THINK YOU COULD DO BETTER... I THINK THE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN ARE SWEET KIND PEOPLE, WE SHOULD KICK THOSE OVER OPINIONATED DUMMIES OUTTA HERE!
Jason wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:20 AM:
To fireman, we will never get the real facts becuase the only facts will be the cops facts and you can count on that. Who do you think thier going to believe. And it seems proud to serve found time to post his comment, with coffee and donuts maybe.
Michael wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:17 AM:
I have never been in trouble with the law, I have been involved with the police departments and will say, Coos County has a total of about 5 really good officers here. A couple at NBPD, a couple with the CCSO, one at CBPD and a couple with the State. If you work for a department not listed then you need to evaluate if you are part of the problem. I am more worried about the police officers and the District Attorney's Office then the meth heads. This area needs help big time and people it is not the officers it is the leaders, the DA the Polcie Chiefs, NBPD is the only exception, they have a great Chief. Poor officers come from poor leaders!! Who screwed up the Freeman case??? HMMMM MIke Reeves??? What is it going to take to get that guy thrown out of here?
Firemen wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:13 AM:
Thomas lets see Thousands of guilty people get let off charges they are guilty off every day in this land. Did you ever think that maybe the victim decided not to go through with pressing charges. You do not know all the FATCS I wish people would quit making up their own facts and what for the truth to come out.
HEATHER wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:08 AM:
I have worked with handicapped people in the past, and I had to go through classes to get certified with the state to properly, disarm them of weapons, properly detain them in a rage any where we went!!! Store, fairs, parks, restaurants!!!!! I can honestly say, not ONE of my residents ever went to the hospital for over use of force. So whats wrong with this picture!!!!!!!!!!
Angie*** wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:05 AM:
Well I can say that for the last year and a half that I made Coquille my home, being born and raised in North Bend, the cops in Coquille are in fact a hell of a lot more caring for there town than anywhere else that I have lived. Officer Bryant has responded to emergency calls at my home more than once every time meth heads tried to break to my home and tried to steal my cars for the first 6 months that I lived here, it was because of him that I didnt move away, he made my family feel very safe and was thourough in his investigation. For all the people talking crap about the department for this situation, the cops are the ones who keep your cars in your driveway and your children safe when they walk home from school. Unless your a crack head with a grudge against
cops I think people should either zip it, or go become a cop yourself and see how much better you think you would handle something that you were trained to do in a situation like this...
cops I think people should either zip it, or go become a cop yourself and see how much better you think you would handle something that you were trained to do in a situation like this...
coquille city girl wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:59 AM:
Thank you for the compliment "Coquille" you better start paying attention to what's happening around you, maybe new glasses??
Jason wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:52 AM:
To proud to serve. Boy someone hit your nerve. For your info I am involved in my community and I'm a tax payer paying your check. And for your info you can found not guilty by a jury of 12 and it will still be brought up in our courts, I like to tell you some horror stories!!!
Thomas wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:51 AM:
Rereading the article, this really stood out as very odd: "He was arrested by Coquille Police in early 2006, and acquitted on charges of second-degree assault, first-degree attempted assault, third-degree assault, unlawful use of a weapon, menacing and recklessly endangering another." If Mr. Foster was arrested and charged by the Coquille police for allegedly commiting all those felonies, and then he was found innocent of every one, they might harbor a grudge against him for making their police work look so bad? I hope there is something other than just these officers' words to go on for the truth about this incident, and that Mr. Foster is able to testify in his own defense.
Pollyanna wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:51 AM:
Empathy for an injured person is a basic human emotion. Distrust of law enforcement isn't always a bad thing. Not all police are upright and noble. Everyone of us that have made comments here are assuming facts that haven't been presented... those who think Mr. Foster was a victim of brutality and those who think the police had every right because he resisted.
I don't have to be a lawbreaker if I feel badly for Mr. Foster. I don't need to ride along with or be a police officer, whether I feel they were right or wrong.
I don't have to be a lawbreaker if I feel badly for Mr. Foster. I don't need to ride along with or be a police officer, whether I feel they were right or wrong.
Fireman wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:49 AM:
Honest Abe how old and weak was he, lets see he was working doing constuction on a house, I think if you ask ant loggers or construction workers Mr. Fosters age I bet they would tell you they could take on a 25 year old, and they proably could. I know Mr. Foster and think what happened is very sad, but he is very capable of puttting up a good fight with anyone and if he in fact did resist arrest then he should have only himself to blame.
LC wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:43 AM:
To the family of the victim - do not forget you can sue Bryant and Webley in civil court, not just the City. I am sure that Coos County Crime Investigators will be impartial. YEAH Right (lol) Why isn't there an outside investigative team, like Lane County, Multnomah County or someone other than Coos County.
Proud to Serve wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:32 AM:
I am a police officer in this state, and proud of it. When I see people walking in the middle of the night, I stop and talk to them, this is not harrassment, it is my job. It is not a stop but a person talking to another person. FACT: After a matter is adjudicated, it is a matter of public record. So instead of complaining about seeing someones record, walk to the courthouse and look it up. To all who can sit at their computers and judge what we do, why don't you do a service to your community and work together with the police department, fire department, public works, local boy scouts, whatever, to make your community better instead of sitting around and complaining about it. If you want to know something look it up and make a informed decision. There is oversight in this buisness, go to DPSST and figure it out before you run off half cocked and make allegations.
Honest Abe wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:29 AM:
Mr. Foster for how little of a man and having 4 broken ribs, against 2 "COPS",4 broken ribs OOPS I've said that before .Ok lets talk about the reason why the windshield was broken! But we cant we can just bash MR. FOSTER.
Honest Abe wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:21 AM:
Carl T. Foster criminal history is out in the open! Why isn't BRYANTS out there yet!!Its only fair right? Bryant shouldn't have anything to hide he is a OFFICER of the LAW.DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!!!!!!!!!!
Proud Mom wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:14 AM:
I come from a family of Law Enforcement Officers and have done ride alongs in various States throughout the US. These Officers reacted in a well trained, professional manner. Anyone at anytime could be walking, running, boxing, driving, just anything textbook or routine when something could go wrong that could result in injury or death. It happens all the time. You hear it all the time too, "I was running and turned my foot the wrong way and it sprained my ankle," "I must have slept the wrong way because my neck or back hurts," Well, if Foster did not resist, the Officers would not have reacted with force, and Foster would have been taken in without incident. It was Foster's choice to resist, and unfortunately now face the consequences of his actions. Of course I am not happy that he is where he is but he had a choice to cooperate. People need to take responsibility for their actions instead of making excuses or finding others to blame. If you were being assaulted and ended up killing your attacker...would you want society blaming you for taking someone's life? Would you think it was fair if their family sued you for wrongful death claiming you could have used other methods of defense that would not result in injury or death?
Current Resident wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:30 AM:
The people attacking the police keep saying how this is such a minor incident and it is just bored cops harrassing this poor old man, but after talking with several members of the community (which I admit is just word of mouth) it sounds like the reason that the police had to respond in the first place was because this man was harrassing somebody else. So far all he had done was take a hammer to a car window...what was next? That womans head? So they should wait to arrest him until he actually hurts her? Does that mean that they shouldn't be trying to stop kids from shooting up schools? They should just wait until some kid just shoots their classmates? That sounds ridiculous doesn't it? They are here to prevent situations from getting out of hand. I hope none of these "Concerned Citizens of Coquille" would ever call the police for help if they were in fear for their lives. I'm sure they can just deal with it themselves....
SHELL wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:57 AM:
i GUESS IT IS O.K. TO COMMIT MURDER IN COQUILLE AS LONG AS YOU ARE PROPERLY WEARING YOUR SEAT BELT AND NOT SPEEDING IN THE SCHOOL ZONE. FINANCIALLLY MOTIVATED POLICE WORK AT IT'S BEST. FILL THOSE COFFERS SO YOU CAN COVER THE COST OF LAWSUITS.
Dian Courtright wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:33 AM:
simmerdown makes a very good suggestion.
he/she says:
I think it does not matter whose side you are on. This was an accident that changed a man's life forever- it doesn't really matter if he was a criminal or not. He will most likely be on a vent the rest of his life, will be incontinent, has a feeding tube, is paralyzed, can't speak, probably cannot move his fingers or arms and is accruing aggregious medical bills. Stop a m8nute and send him a card, cook dinner for his family, be the community you all are lamenting does not exist.
Concerned Citizens of Coquille is more willing to get involved in helping someone who could no doubt use it.
he/she says:
I think it does not matter whose side you are on. This was an accident that changed a man's life forever- it doesn't really matter if he was a criminal or not. He will most likely be on a vent the rest of his life, will be incontinent, has a feeding tube, is paralyzed, can't speak, probably cannot move his fingers or arms and is accruing aggregious medical bills. Stop a m8nute and send him a card, cook dinner for his family, be the community you all are lamenting does not exist.
Concerned Citizens of Coquille is more willing to get involved in helping someone who could no doubt use it.
Honest Abe wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:32 AM:
I guess we wouldn't be anti-cop, if they didn't harass people all the time. And if we have such a METH problem then do something about it. But this isn't about METH its about Mr. Foster fighting for his life doesn't anyone realize this . JEEZ people I'm glad it isn't your family member laying fighting to breathe. Our COPS when was the last time they risked their lives????????
Linda wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:29 AM:
I do believe we need police officers, and we do have some good ones but, there are some I wouldn't even want on my property. If people are that iggnorant to think we don't have dirty cops in this area, you'd better think again.
carnac wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:15 AM:
Easy predictions: The investigation will be a cover up, as usual. There will be a big law suit, and Carl or his family if he dies will probably win it. This is going to cost Coquille and maybe Coos county a lot of money no matter what happens.
aghast! wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:07 AM:
Presumably, if both officers had their audio recorders turned on, which they are required to do, we might be able to learn what really happened.
In the end, though, we are talking about common sense, this was a petty crime and alleged at that. When was the last time a member of the police or sheriff's department was killed in the line of duty in Coos County? We have a huge meth problem here but we have the highest rate of drunk driving convictions in the state - maybe the focus should be on the meth.
In the end, though, we are talking about common sense, this was a petty crime and alleged at that. When was the last time a member of the police or sheriff's department was killed in the line of duty in Coos County? We have a huge meth problem here but we have the highest rate of drunk driving convictions in the state - maybe the focus should be on the meth.
Retired Sheriff wrote on Jan 17, 2008 6:49 AM:
Everyone should set back and let the investigation team do their work. I know that this was an accident. When people read this and have no clue what happened and make coments out of hate for the police they are not helping.
The truth will make it all clear. Officers have a hard job to do and they want to go home at the end of shift to their famlies as well. They don't need to be a punching bag for anyone or a target. They don't go into an arrest with anything but getting the job done with as little violence as possible, however they must meet force with force. The anti-cop people are always ready to jump on any incident just like the Greenies are ready to take advantage of any situation that may work in their agenda. Wait for the investigation, it will clear this all up.
The truth will make it all clear. Officers have a hard job to do and they want to go home at the end of shift to their famlies as well. They don't need to be a punching bag for anyone or a target. They don't go into an arrest with anything but getting the job done with as little violence as possible, however they must meet force with force. The anti-cop people are always ready to jump on any incident just like the Greenies are ready to take advantage of any situation that may work in their agenda. Wait for the investigation, it will clear this all up.
NB resident wrote on Jan 17, 2008 1:05 AM:
I say THANKS to those officers who are keeping the cities, counties and state safe. You can badmouth all those law enforcement officers you want just remember. When you are being robbed,raped,assulted,etc. Who comes to your rescue they do. They don't have to but that is the sacrifice they made. So don't be so quick to judge and badmouth them.
Yes the outcome of this situation is horrible. You have realize that these officers are there to protect the community and themselves. When someone is resisting the officers automatically go into defense mode. They have to so that they can protect themselves. If they don't then the person or persons resisting could have the outcome of my cousins situation had. My cousin was a former Deputy in another stae. He responded to a domestic w/a violent offender. The suspect apprehended my cousins duty weapon and fired upon my cousin and his partner, killing my cousin and injuring his partner) So they are only trying to protect us. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OFFICERS. There are many of us who stand by you and believe you are out there to make this world a better place for all of us to live.
Yes the outcome of this situation is horrible. You have realize that these officers are there to protect the community and themselves. When someone is resisting the officers automatically go into defense mode. They have to so that they can protect themselves. If they don't then the person or persons resisting could have the outcome of my cousins situation had. My cousin was a former Deputy in another stae. He responded to a domestic w/a violent offender. The suspect apprehended my cousins duty weapon and fired upon my cousin and his partner, killing my cousin and injuring his partner) So they are only trying to protect us. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OFFICERS. There are many of us who stand by you and believe you are out there to make this world a better place for all of us to live.
Mark wrote on Jan 16, 2008 11:51 PM:
Regardless of whether ANYONE on here has been in trouble with the law or not; The officers involved used enugh force to break his neck to the point of impeading on his ability to breathe. If he had aged to the point of brittle bones, and un-armed, how would police see that much force at all was necessary. an injury like this for most would require alot of abrupt physical force. how could that be justified? it could be just an unfortunate event, but i see that as unlikely. I do believe it was un-intended though.
Jodie wrote on Jan 16, 2008 11:49 PM:
I have known Webley a long time, he is a "big boy" and is true to his own word. I would be proud to live in an area that he patrols for the welfare of the people's safety.
On another note, this man that was injured was harrassing someone, and I would be scared if I was alone and someone took a hammer to my car window. These officers are trained to restrain someone that is a harm to themselves or others. I don't think we should pass judgement based on our personal experiences.
On another note, this man that was injured was harrassing someone, and I would be scared if I was alone and someone took a hammer to my car window. These officers are trained to restrain someone that is a harm to themselves or others. I don't think we should pass judgement based on our personal experiences.
Citizen wrote on Jan 16, 2008 11:40 PM:
To Police State , a parent doing that to a kid is alot differnet than a man trying to hit a cop in the head and resist arrest, think a little before you just type what you think, use a little common sense.
Come on out.. wrote on Jan 16, 2008 11:27 PM:
Perhaps if people would get more involved, do several different ride a long’s with the various agencies and learn about the job before they stereotype police. For one thing, a subject always dictates the level of force used. If a subject refuses to obey a verbal order, pulls away or attempts to power through a hold, they are generally taken to the ground to prevent them from escaping or effectively fighting. It is the responsibility of the officer to overcome the resistance as quickly as possible to lessen the degree of injury to the subject or the officer. As a rider you would be able to see the apparent cooperative person, sometimes become instantly combative once they are advised they are under arrest. You would see the split second time officers have to react in real time as opposed to second guessing how you believe it could have been handled. Look at the statistics for injury to officer in relation to the type of call they are actually handling/responding to. You’ll find that most instances occur in the most unsuspected ways, often from trying to effect an arrest. There is no doubt that brutality occurs nationwide in law enforcement, however that is why independent agencies investigate the incidents. If this is the case, it will be brought to light and dealt with as any criminal manner. I have been kicked at, punched at, head butted and spit on through out my career. It would have been nice to have had some of you uninformed people present, or for that fact having anyone there to assist me in gaining control of these subjects. It is regrettable that many of you have such a distrust/dislike for law enforcement. So come out and see the job, learn about us, everyone is welcome. In regards to the comments about the sharpie and attic incident, simply put, you weren’t there and probably never could be.
FLABBERGASTED wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:51 PM:
I have sat here reading all your comments and am just beside myself. It's amazing to me how quickly everyone is to judge people for a situation that they only know about because of the paper. First, you can't blame Coquille Police for how long the article took, the only name I see over and over again is the District Attorney's. While I know there were obviously people there when this happened, did they see the whole event or just Mr. Foster down on the ground? And as for everyone down playing Mr. Foster's charges criminal mischief can account for many different actions, we won't know until the investigation is concluded and all the facts come out (they can't release all the information until the investigation is completed) what really happened here.
And for everyone bringing up all these other cases, each case is different. I'm not downplaying what happened to Leah. But you can't just automatically assume that the cops screwed up. If the man was able to work on remodelling a house I'm sure he was capable of resisting which really doesn't take all that much....pull away your arm, take a swing, run away.
I have to say at this point I'm embarassed to be part of this community and how judgemental all of you are.
And for everyone bringing up all these other cases, each case is different. I'm not downplaying what happened to Leah. But you can't just automatically assume that the cops screwed up. If the man was able to work on remodelling a house I'm sure he was capable of resisting which really doesn't take all that much....pull away your arm, take a swing, run away.
I have to say at this point I'm embarassed to be part of this community and how judgemental all of you are.
heather wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:38 PM:
i have read all comments, but yet nobody understand the who puzzle!!!!! they are just looking at part of the big picture.
There are some facts TRUE facts that have been put on the blog and nothing has been processed about them. For the the facts that nobody knows you will find out in trail, or maybe never. Because this county has a lot to hide. its sad but, true,,, i am not being prejudice i am just saying the facts, but the paper will not publish the truth. What about the fifth amendment. It is far from the the united states constitution, it's about this county's secrets's and we as the residents of this county need to really dig deep, to really, seek the truth, of this situation.
There are some facts TRUE facts that have been put on the blog and nothing has been processed about them. For the the facts that nobody knows you will find out in trail, or maybe never. Because this county has a lot to hide. its sad but, true,,, i am not being prejudice i am just saying the facts, but the paper will not publish the truth. What about the fifth amendment. It is far from the the united states constitution, it's about this county's secrets's and we as the residents of this county need to really dig deep, to really, seek the truth, of this situation.
Former RESIDENT wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM:
Yeah right, the Coquille Police Department is a sorry excuse for a bunch of officers. It doesnt help that the officers party with the locals and then go out and try and enforce the law. It is a shame that they get so borde in Coquille that they have nothing better to do than to harrass the local citizens of the community, you cant take any of them serious when they marry local high school girls and party with high school kids. what a shame
Michael wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:00 PM:
Lets see this man while he might be a bad guy, he broke a windshield, the POLICE could have made a report, and later had this resolved through the courts, was the jail going to keep this man in jail??? NO they would have booked and released, what he did was not a felony. So why not handle it that way?
Why is the paper putting his prir arrest in there? He was found not guilty so why even mention it???
On top of that I bet the Coos County Jail did not accept him as an inmate see if the police arrest someone they are responsible for him and his medical bills, so hey tax payers of Coquille their goes some tax dollars, or did the police Un-arrest him.
Again I am sure this guy is not a good guy and needs to pay for his crime, how come it took 2 people on a sunday mornign to arrest someone? COME On I smell cover up down the road. THe good ol boys at it's best!
Why is the paper putting his prir arrest in there? He was found not guilty so why even mention it???
On top of that I bet the Coos County Jail did not accept him as an inmate see if the police arrest someone they are responsible for him and his medical bills, so hey tax payers of Coquille their goes some tax dollars, or did the police Un-arrest him.
Again I am sure this guy is not a good guy and needs to pay for his crime, how come it took 2 people on a sunday mornign to arrest someone? COME On I smell cover up down the road. THe good ol boys at it's best!
simmerdown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:50 PM:
I think it does not matter whose side you are on. This was an accident that changed a man's life forever- it doesn't really matter if he was a criminal or not. He will most likely be on a vent the rest of his life, will be incontinent, has a feeding tube, is paralyzed, can't speak, probably cannot move his fingers or arms and is accruing aggregious medical bills. Stop a m8nute and send him a card, cook dinner for his family, be the community you all are lamenting does not exist.
sherry wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:48 PM:
well all i can say is if the person would not have caused trouble in the first place he would not be in this situation. finally the cops got tough on someone. too many people do the crime without doing the time.
Another Citizen wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:49 PM:
Grant Freeman, obviously you are the misinformed one. If you resist arrest in any way, the police have every right to use force. If someone were holding you at gun point, would you want the police to politely ask them to put down their gun, and when the refused to you want them to say sorry and walk away? I want them to keep me and my family safe, and so far they have. I also agree completely with "parent's" comment. Who are we to judge when we don't know ALL the facts?
tiredofstupidcitizens2 wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:58 PM:
grantfreeman..you have had a robbery suspect known to be armed come running at you making stabbing motions with a black object while you back away. I thought not. Sharpie or not, the police followed policy and law on that case. You make yourself sound un-educated when you speak of things you don't know.
ZUES wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:46 PM:
I see this small town and its small town ways of thinking have not changed. It is very evident in the tone that so many have taken in their ridicule of the police, when they do the job that you have never stepped up to the plate and tried. I would be curious to know how many of you critics out there have ever spent any time in the military, or any service that expects you to lay down your life for a perfect stranger, whom in many instances would be the first to stab you in the back. I see these officers continuing to protect you no matter what you say about them. You speak of not trusting what the paper has written on the subject yet it is your only source of information that you have taken as the gospel, how odd that it only works for your argument. I would think that if you are the educated, concerned people that you imply to be, you would wait until all the facts are in before passing judgment. I guess if you waited for that you wouldn't have anything to write about. If all of you think that what you have written is correct and beyond reproach, then use your real name, that way everyone will know who owes these officers an apology. Mr. Freeman your name should be on the top of the list.........remember as you judge, so shall you be.
Honest Abe wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:58 PM:
We have a man that is fighting for his life and probably never gonna breathe on his own again, or take his daughter to the beach again,AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIS CRIMINAL HISTORY! LUCKY ITS NOT THE PEOPLE TALKING THE BS.
Thomas wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:45 PM:
Police frequently lie about arrest situations and usually overchange arrestees. For the sake of justice, let's hope that Mr. Foster will be represented by a good lawyer, as the truth of this incident will not likely be known without a trial. Regardless of guilt, I hope that he recovers, as no citizen should suffer such treatment, especially as result of what appears to be so minor a crime.
WHY? wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:44 PM:
I do not think that police should break someone's back, unless their life was in danger. Was Mr. Foster ready to shoot at them? Most police officers do a good job, and I commend their efforts. I am a nurse and it takes great force to break a back, I bet a foot or knee and great force was involved.
The police officers will be cleared of any criminal charges, but I can see a case for civil charges. I would inquire about that if I was the family.
The police officers will be cleared of any criminal charges, but I can see a case for civil charges. I would inquire about that if I was the family.
Thomas wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:40 PM:
Police frequently lie about arrest situations and usually overchange arrestees. For the sake of justice, let's hope that Mr. Foster will be represented by a good lawyer, as the truth of this incident will not likely be known with a trial. Regardless of guilt, I hope that he recovers, as no citizen should suffer such treatment, especially as result of what appears to be so minor a crime.
Bob wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:37 PM:
To all of you who say we are making comments without the facts....get off your highhorse. We are commenting on THIS NEWS STORY and we are doing it in the proper place. You don't really think we will ever hear the facts do you?
Dian Courtright wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:31 PM:
Admiration for Killface:
Of course some people have a vendetta against a certain policeman or the police in general. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a problem. It doesn't mean people are just gripping because they got caught breaking the Law. I personally have no police record, no traffic tickets, nothing.
When there is a large portion of the citizenry complaining about the Police something is wrong. It is well documented that Abuse of power is a problem with law enforcement & it is also a fact that internal investigations into allegations of Police misconduct almost always end up with the officer being investigating. Why is that? Because Cops stick together. If there is no one policing the police, things tend to get out of hand. The main bulk of the frustration last summer was because complaints went unanswered & when they were addressed they were addressed only by the very agency the complaints were against! It didn't deal with the problem.
I tried to link our blog here but the comment monitor wouldn't let me. If you are interested just google Concerned Citizens of Coquille.
Of course some people have a vendetta against a certain policeman or the police in general. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a problem. It doesn't mean people are just gripping because they got caught breaking the Law. I personally have no police record, no traffic tickets, nothing.
When there is a large portion of the citizenry complaining about the Police something is wrong. It is well documented that Abuse of power is a problem with law enforcement & it is also a fact that internal investigations into allegations of Police misconduct almost always end up with the officer being investigating. Why is that? Because Cops stick together. If there is no one policing the police, things tend to get out of hand. The main bulk of the frustration last summer was because complaints went unanswered & when they were addressed they were addressed only by the very agency the complaints were against! It didn't deal with the problem.
I tried to link our blog here but the comment monitor wouldn't let me. If you are interested just google Concerned Citizens of Coquille.
Adequate use of Force wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:26 PM:
Sounds a little off, Foster broke a windshield so let's break his neck. Maybe it's just me.
jgm wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:18 PM:
This clearly is a case of police brutality. The police should have spoken to him in more softer voice, they should have sympathized with him, should have offered to help him with his obvious discomfort, should have realized that he was uncomfortable in their presence, should have reassured him that he was a valuable member of society and they were being forced by large corporations to do their job. They clearly made a mistake by trying to do their sworn duty.
Citizen wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:01 PM:
I have to say sometimes what our police officers have to do sucks. They are expected to do their jobs and also expected to take crap for doing it. I can't say on this issue whether anything was done wrong, but I have yet to see any story where the criminal is polite and the police go out of their way to be aggressive. They don't want people to be aggressive to them, they don't want to be agressive to people.
They just want to do their jobs and keep us safe, if people would respect their authority a bit more, the issues would decline.
I tell you if an officer stops me, I am not beligerant, and am not pissy, I am polite, even if I dissagree.
I can always go to court and dispute what happened, but if I get further tickets or hurt because I was stupid, then I deserve it.
They just want to do their jobs and keep us safe, if people would respect their authority a bit more, the issues would decline.
I tell you if an officer stops me, I am not beligerant, and am not pissy, I am polite, even if I dissagree.
I can always go to court and dispute what happened, but if I get further tickets or hurt because I was stupid, then I deserve it.
bboop wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:53 PM:
Coos County Major Crime Team??? Wow, that sounds impartial. Deputy Bryant, oh I mean Officer Bryant has worked for at least two of the Coos County law enforcement agencies, worked in the county jail, and has dealt with nearly every person of every agency involved in law enforcement doesn't necessarily mean that they can't be impartial in their evaluation of the situation. Granted, one should not resist, go willingly to jail, even if you may not be guilty, sit in jail waiting to see if you get justice, or released, and certainly anyone who breaks a windshield today had better be prepared to be taken down with deadly force, because you are not allowed to reason with police as to whether you deserve to go to jail. I think they get paid extra for each arrest don't they. Incentive plan or something. The quota system I think it's called, although they strongly deny it goes on. Right!!!!!
Matt wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:48 PM:
You guys are forgetting this guy is 67 years old. Must be a real threat to safety. Insane dissolve the poilce dept. and hire the Sheriff to patrol the town.
JJrunner wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:44 PM:
Since so many of the posters seem to distrust the police so much, I suggest you never call them if you have a problem. Most of you think you know better how to deal with the bad guys better than a trained officer. Good luck with that.
ctizen concerned in coquille wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:42 PM:
the facts are the facts that is true. However chief Reaves stated it was a textbook take down. I have not heard of a broken neck from a textbook take down. It will be a textbook justification again as always. I am sick and tired of the coquille police departments harrassment tactics and those of us that have lived here for a long time have seen it time and time again. I believe that it needs to be restructured starting with chief Reaves and working down from there. It is amazing to me that they would try and discredit this citizen by printing his past police history. However nothing was printed about the complaints of the two officers involved that have been lodged with the department. Lets print those and see how many citizens will be so quick to defenc their actions. It has been common practice for this police department to have an I am going to getcha attitude when charges are dropped, dismissed, or however they do not get a conviction on an arrest. You people who seem to think that this is justified would not be so quick to react this way if it was your family member in the hospital at this time. Lets remember that the victim is only accused of the windshield incident. Innocent until proven guilty however the police department believes guilty until proven innocent and that has been displayed many times over. Lets see some facts about these officers in the next printing of the world newspaper. It really leaves a bad taste in the mouth when officers can do this and still be actively working while an investigation is going on. Might want to check and see how many officers and which ones are related to Reaves and the Mayor of Coquille also. Just an idea. I for one am appalled that these officers are being touted as having a textbook take down when someone is in the shape they are in from a "textbook" takedown. Might want to check the statistics to see how many people have been paralyzed by the "Textbook" takedown.
Smalltown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:33 PM:
All these people are so critical of the police, but they are the first to scream for them when the neighbor's dog craps in their yard.
Always so easy to play armchair quarterback.
Always so easy to play armchair quarterback.
Toby Stanley wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:21 PM:
I must say that upon reading this article and the many comments leads this reader to wonder if this is Rural Oregon or Urban California? I feel bad for all those involved, both the police and the man who was injured during the incident, but most of all, I feel even worse for the obvious divisiveness and derision of many people and the end a once tolerant and simply nice community to live in peace.
I for one, hope that Mr. Foster recovers quickly from his injuries and that Officer Bryant and Officer Webley are vindicated if they used reasonable force and did nothing wrong as determined by an impartial investigation.
Finally, I believe if there truly are problems in Coquille and the citizenry want them resolved; they should be taken up in a constructive way with the Police Chief, Mayor and City Council.
I for one, hope that Mr. Foster recovers quickly from his injuries and that Officer Bryant and Officer Webley are vindicated if they used reasonable force and did nothing wrong as determined by an impartial investigation.
Finally, I believe if there truly are problems in Coquille and the citizenry want them resolved; they should be taken up in a constructive way with the Police Chief, Mayor and City Council.
Frank wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:18 PM:
Typical police work. "I have a badge, so i can get away with murder"
I can't imagine a 57 year old man being able to get away from the two cops. I would hope that the academy would produce a capable enough cop to handle an old man, let alone two cops.
cops are the most insecure people on the planet. they need to feel powerful and righteous. as if they are protecting windshields all over coquille from a dangerous criminal. i like the write up on his police record as if to validate breaking his neck. he had previous charges but they have no precedent on windshield breaking comparing apples and oranges
I can't imagine a 57 year old man being able to get away from the two cops. I would hope that the academy would produce a capable enough cop to handle an old man, let alone two cops.
cops are the most insecure people on the planet. they need to feel powerful and righteous. as if they are protecting windshields all over coquille from a dangerous criminal. i like the write up on his police record as if to validate breaking his neck. he had previous charges but they have no precedent on windshield breaking comparing apples and oranges
Realist wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:57 PM:
Why is it the same cry babies keep spouting off. Let the investigators do their job and all of the information taken into consideration before judging anybody, officers or citizen. The Police it seems, have less rights to a fair hearing than criminals do.
If you fight the police they have a right to do their job. It is unfortunate that anyone got hurt. Would these same complainers be so worried about the officer had he been injured during the altercation. I don't think so!
If you fight the police they have a right to do their job. It is unfortunate that anyone got hurt. Would these same complainers be so worried about the officer had he been injured during the altercation. I don't think so!
Anonomous wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:55 PM:
Why does everybody keep calling everyone else crackheads? When did that come into the picture? I did not read one thing in that article about crack. I think the police in Coos County are all about power and control. We do not have freedom of speach. Hell, we can't even walk down the road at midnight without getting pullled over and harrassed. When did it become illegal to walk?
LC wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:51 PM:
Why do I keep hearing about drugs. The victim was never arrested or accused of anything to do with drugs. YEAH... the Police need to be arresting all the meth heads and issuing citations for the misdemeanors not breaking someones neck for supposedly cracking a windshield. Get your good, honest police out there dealing with the drug dealers and murders (Leah Freeman) which they seem to never do.
Admiration for Killface Comment wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:44 PM:
You are so right, most of the people commenting have at one time been in trouble with the law and now is there so called "justification" by bad mouthing the Coquille Police Department.
If anything they are too lenient; there
is still a major drug problem.
If you break the law you must comply, I am sure it was not the officers intention to hurt him, they were simply trying to do there job. Head of concerned citizens take a look around you is there a little hypocrisy there?
If anything they are too lenient; there
is still a major drug problem.
If you break the law you must comply, I am sure it was not the officers intention to hurt him, they were simply trying to do there job. Head of concerned citizens take a look around you is there a little hypocrisy there?
MP Citizen wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:44 PM:
GEEEZZZZ
From all the comments I have read, I'm wondering how many people were witness to this event.
I always say that if I didn't see it with my own eyes I don't have the information to form an educated opinion on the situation.
From all the comments I have read, I'm wondering how many people were witness to this event.
I always say that if I didn't see it with my own eyes I don't have the information to form an educated opinion on the situation.
Parent wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:42 PM:
I don't think anyone should be judged until all the FACTS are known. We know that errors were made in the Freeman case. This is not that case. In this case you have a man who was known to the police due to repeated arrests. A true person of character in the Coquille Community. We have officers who are doing a job that does require them to be qualified. It seems to me if these Officers were put in a position that they felt warranted force, it is within their boundaries to use it. I wasn't in that room nor were any of you. To pass judgement would be premature and wrong, which is part of what we learned not to do in the Freeman case. We in this wonderful country have a beautiful thing called freedom of speech do we have accountability for what we speak. When you answer this remember all of things you would never say in front of a child, teen, young adult, or even your friend. I would not want to have a job where everyday I had to wonder if it would be my last due to somebody making a poor choice. That is why I support all Law enforcement. I am not saying I always agree with them, but how often do we all agree with anyone or thing.
We are not the Judge or the Jury here. I am sure these Officers feel badly about this man getting injured. Resisting a police officer is not acceptable that is the message I want kids to leave this with. I didn't see in the article that a child was watching but my guess is that child would be asking daddy why he was mean to the police, aren't they here to keep us safe? Too bad the daddy in this case can't tell him the answer.
We are not the Judge or the Jury here. I am sure these Officers feel badly about this man getting injured. Resisting a police officer is not acceptable that is the message I want kids to leave this with. I didn't see in the article that a child was watching but my guess is that child would be asking daddy why he was mean to the police, aren't they here to keep us safe? Too bad the daddy in this case can't tell him the answer.
Jodie wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:41 PM:
What happened to reprecussions of ones actions? If you resist arrest, isn't there an accountability for resisting? Do you know the facts of this person? It seems everyone is wanting to place blame on a department that has a reputation instead of looking at the truth.
Admiration for Killface Comment wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:32 PM:
You are so right, most of the people commenting have at one time been in trouble with the law and now is there so called "justification" by bad mouthing the Coquille Police Department.
If anything they are too lenient; there
is still a major drug problem.
If you break the law you must comply, I am sure it was not the officers intention to hurt him, they were simply trying to do there job.
If anything they are too lenient; there
is still a major drug problem.
If you break the law you must comply, I am sure it was not the officers intention to hurt him, they were simply trying to do there job.
Linda wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:30 PM:
To another citizen. They said they had to use force, so that makes it true. My Dad was roughed up once by police for no reason, he fought it and won as a matter of fact the cops didn't even show up for court.
grant freeman wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:19 PM:
Another (misinformed) Citizen: Resisting arrest? that is all the article said, it did not describe HOW he was resisting arrest. This could be anything from saying "no" to an all out brawl. And i don't trust ANYTHING the police say. They are actually TRAINED to lie. So how can you say they HAVE to use force when someone resists?
long timer wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:17 PM:
The Coquille Police Department harrassed my brother over 35 years ago ...for years....for no reason, so I know it happens! These are different officers now but sounds the same. I am not anti-police but things in this county, not just Coquille, have been horrible. The sharpie at the college and the man in the attic in Charleston come to mind.
Another Citizen wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:08 PM:
I worked for the sheriff's department for four years and can tell you that when a person is not cooperating the officer HAS to use force. Yes it is a tragedy that he is so severely injured, but maybe that wasn't the officers fault, maybe it was due to his restraining. Maybe we should quit judging others unless we are willing to put our lives on the line everyday. Also if this guy was so innocent, why was he resisting arrest in the first place???
Dian Courtright wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:06 PM:
As the administrator of the Concerned Citizens of coquille blog, & someone who receives e-mails, phone calls & visits from people who have issues with the Coquille police, I will tell you one complaint I hear alot about is Police harassment. Citizens complaining about being singled out by the Police over & over. Consider what the article says here about Mr. Foster:
Foster is not unknown to the Coquille Police Department. Coquille officers cited him four times in 2004 and 2005 with driving while suspended. He was arrested and convicted in June 2004 on contempt of court/violation of a restraining order. Previously, he had been arrested and convicted on charges of harassment and second-degree criminal mischief. He was arrested by Coquille Police in early 2006, and acquitted on charges of second-degree assault, first-degree attempted assault, third-degree assault, unlawful use of a weapon, menacing and recklessly endangering another.
Of course there are many factors involved here & we don't know them all, but I believe a major problem that creates tragic incidents of this kind is the heavy hand of the Law. The Law has become oppressive. For one thing there are too many Laws on the books, the penalties are too high & the Police are over zealous in enforcing them.
Then add to that, the fact that the Police are hardly ever held accountable when situations like this come up. It always seems to be the citizen that pays. People are angry & have every right to be!
Last summer Concerned Citizens of Coquille tried to rally the people of Coquille to understand that there was a problem. We were jeered, criticized & threatened. It is very hard to hold the Police accountable when the Law is on their side. I've had to tell people over & over again I don't know what the solution is.
I still believe There is a problem, & I would like to see it dealt with, for the sake of the citizens of Coquille, so this sort of thing won't happen again.
Foster is not unknown to the Coquille Police Department. Coquille officers cited him four times in 2004 and 2005 with driving while suspended. He was arrested and convicted in June 2004 on contempt of court/violation of a restraining order. Previously, he had been arrested and convicted on charges of harassment and second-degree criminal mischief. He was arrested by Coquille Police in early 2006, and acquitted on charges of second-degree assault, first-degree attempted assault, third-degree assault, unlawful use of a weapon, menacing and recklessly endangering another.
Of course there are many factors involved here & we don't know them all, but I believe a major problem that creates tragic incidents of this kind is the heavy hand of the Law. The Law has become oppressive. For one thing there are too many Laws on the books, the penalties are too high & the Police are over zealous in enforcing them.
Then add to that, the fact that the Police are hardly ever held accountable when situations like this come up. It always seems to be the citizen that pays. People are angry & have every right to be!
Last summer Concerned Citizens of Coquille tried to rally the people of Coquille to understand that there was a problem. We were jeered, criticized & threatened. It is very hard to hold the Police accountable when the Law is on their side. I've had to tell people over & over again I don't know what the solution is.
I still believe There is a problem, & I would like to see it dealt with, for the sake of the citizens of Coquille, so this sort of thing won't happen again.
Linda wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:00 PM:
And what's all this were all on crack. Excuse me but, I work for one of the most established businesses in the community and "own" my home and everthing in it. Beleive me it's not just this issue with cops, I've seen alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has nothing to do with the meth heads, were they there?
Current Resident wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:57 PM:
I obviously feel badly for the accident this man had. It's terrible. He did bring it on himself though didn't he? So if a criminal decides they don't want to stop breaking the law the cops should apologize for the interuption and leave him alone? No, they have to stop him. I don't think having kittens lick him into submission would have worked. Do you? But if you think that the officer broke his neck on purpose you aren't thinking clearly. Do you think he thought to himself "Gee, I think it would be a fun to break this man's neck"? I really hope you all are not that ignorant. You all talk about how you are concerned about your children being around these dangerous policemen...you think it's better for them to be surrounded by drug addicts? "Concerned Citizens for Coquille"...that's a joke!
Who's... wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:48 PM:
Where did it say he was on drugs? Cracked windshield? That's a different kind of crack.
Kay wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:43 PM:
Coquille Resident: How long has the Freeman family been waiting for "the whole story"? When you can answer that, you can criticise your neighbors for speaking out. This happened Saturday, not reported until Wednesday, cops still on duty, man all but killed in front of his child, over a "possible cracked windshield" what more do you need to know?
grant freeman wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:41 PM:
you are assum,ing the police are TELLING THE TRUTH...very hardly likely, given that they broka a man's neck. Very hardly likely ANYTIME they cross the line.
also, a very dramatic looking comment, you must also believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, based on your final sentence...don't worry, no one takes you seriously.
also, a very dramatic looking comment, you must also believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, based on your final sentence...don't worry, no one takes you seriously.
Fedupwithstupidcitizens wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:22 PM:
So, world paper, are you gonna post the truth or just all the druggies comments. How come you are not posting mine don't want the truth told, I better see some my comments posted from earlier!!!
Police state? wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:21 PM:
Current resident, if parents did this to a child when their orders weren't obeyed they should and would be arrested for child abuse. I see no difference in this situation....what a tragedy for this man and his family. Just imagine what his life will be like now, IF he survives. If this is ruled justifiable then something is wrong somewhere.
KILLFACE wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:17 PM:
I trust you're comfy on your tacky sofas from Rooms-to-Go?
1.Carl T. Foster, of Coquille, comitted criminal mischief the previous day
2. officers James Bryant and Chris Webley went to a house where Foster was working
3. Foster resisted, arrest
4.each officer took one of his arms and pulled him to the ground
5.officers noticed Foster had stopped breathing and gone limp.
6. the officers called for emergency medical personnel
7.investigation starts on cops
8.news paper reports
9. mean a hateful comments towards police in coquille starts
10. people in area start taking sides of either the cops of citzens of coquille
12. more mean comments follow
morale of the story is for every action there is and equal and oppisite reaction
Mr Foster broke the law then when confronted with his actions failed to take responsibilty for his prior action
the day before and resisted arrest causeing his life threating situation he now faces ...
TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE COMMENTENTED AGAINST THE POLICE IN THIS STORY HAVE VALADATED MR Foster ACTIONS AND OTHERS WHO HAVE BROKEN THE LAW AND DIDNT WISH TO PAY FOR THERE ACTIONS AS WELL .... AND SENT A MESSAGE COPS BAD LAW & BREAKERS GOOD...
SUCH AND GOOD EXAMPLE WE HAVE SET FOR OUR YOUTH OF TOMMORROW LETS TEACH THEM TO HATE COPS
SIGNED KILLFACE
So look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair
1.Carl T. Foster, of Coquille, comitted criminal mischief the previous day
2. officers James Bryant and Chris Webley went to a house where Foster was working
3. Foster resisted, arrest
4.each officer took one of his arms and pulled him to the ground
5.officers noticed Foster had stopped breathing and gone limp.
6. the officers called for emergency medical personnel
7.investigation starts on cops
8.news paper reports
9. mean a hateful comments towards police in coquille starts
10. people in area start taking sides of either the cops of citzens of coquille
12. more mean comments follow
morale of the story is for every action there is and equal and oppisite reaction
Mr Foster broke the law then when confronted with his actions failed to take responsibilty for his prior action
the day before and resisted arrest causeing his life threating situation he now faces ...
TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE COMMENTENTED AGAINST THE POLICE IN THIS STORY HAVE VALADATED MR Foster ACTIONS AND OTHERS WHO HAVE BROKEN THE LAW AND DIDNT WISH TO PAY FOR THERE ACTIONS AS WELL .... AND SENT A MESSAGE COPS BAD LAW & BREAKERS GOOD...
SUCH AND GOOD EXAMPLE WE HAVE SET FOR OUR YOUTH OF TOMMORROW LETS TEACH THEM TO HATE COPS
SIGNED KILLFACE
So look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair
Coquille Resident wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:57 PM:
You people are a bunch of reactionary idiots. To hear you talk we live in a fasict state and are unable to leave our homes or live our lives without interference. Nothing could be further from the truth. We live in a peaceful community, thanks in large part to the police you want to see crucified. You want to hear the whole story, then why don't you wait for the whole story before you form a lynch party.
Kay wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:57 PM:
Current Resident: Good police work does NOT involve breaking a mans' neck in front of his child. Your police department has had serious charges made against it for years, that does not occur my dear without some basis of fact. I've always lived in small towns in three states, and I have NEVER heard so many horror stories about one PD, anywhere! If they break a mans' neck over a possible cracked windshield, what do they do with a possible violent offender? You'd better pay closer attention.
grant freeman wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:52 PM:
current and fed up...so, i suppose if the man had been carrying a "sharpie" you would be defending the police for shooting him to death?
Current Resident wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:51 PM:
No Linda, I am just a person who thinks the police deserve some respect for the hard and dangerous work they do. I have dealt with a few of our officers and I am impressed with their professional attitude and dedication to protect a mostly ungrateful society. You must be one of the radicals in town who have nothing better to do than try to get our police removed from service. Do you want the meth fiends and crack heads to run wild? I certainly don't!
Who's... wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:47 PM:
Current Resident, the police are not authorized to break a person's neck based on "what if".
aghast! wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:43 PM:
Every rational and thoughtful citizen would and should be appalled and offended by this horrific abuse of power. My understanding is that the victim's daughter was a witness. There is no honest way to rationalize this heinous act and everyone is the loser here.
Linda wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:35 PM:
Current resident must be an aquaitance or doesn't live in the same world as the rest of us.
Current Resident wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:21 PM:
As a current resident of Coquille I am surprised at the reaction to this incident. We have a good police force here and I'm glad they are here to protect us! What if this man had a gun or knife when he resisted arrest and tried to escape? The officers don't know the situation. Their lives are on the line everytime they step foot in our community...for our protection!! With as much drug and alcohol abuse we have in this county they need to sometimes use force. Do you really think the officers meant to hurt this man?? Of course not! It sounds like the people posting their opinions here would rather the police be gone so the meth heads could run our town!
Who's harrassing who? wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:16 PM:
So the last time he was actually cited was 2005 for driving while suspended? Come ON, Coquille PD! You can't justifiably break somebody's neck over that!
Jodi wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:14 PM:
Why would the Coquille Police Department hide it,they must be guilty!!!!
bob wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:07 PM:
Why are we just learning of this on Wednesday when it happened Saturday?
Linda wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:58 PM:
Like I said the World only prints part of the news and they haven't printed all of "my" comments either. And they were only truthful comments.
Jodi wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:53 PM:
Mr.Foster has 4 broken ribs from a prior accident so how much resisting was there!!
DW wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:33 PM:
Get the attorney from out of town so the attorhey doesn't have to worry about being stalked by the local police
Coquille Citizen wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:30 PM:
To the victim and the family of the victim. Hire an Attorney. You definetly have a case against the Coquille Police Department.
Kay wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:17 PM:
Maybe Jessica Musicar and Alexander Rich will take a little investigative license and do an in-depth study of the officer involved. I do believe we have a right to know his record don't we? I wish they'd thought of that instead of just writing what the chiefman told them to write.
heather wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:14 PM:
I say the citizens of this county make a stand now, before it is one of my children getting brutalized for a minor traffic violation!!!!!!!!!!
Coquille Citizen wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:02 PM:
Police Brutality has been going on for quite some time in Coquille. Why did these officers not administer CPR at the scene. They had to call another officer to do so. Trained in brutality but not in CPR? The family of the victim needs to hire an attorney and sue the pants off of the Coquille Police Department. Breaking someone's back and paralyzing them is definetly use of Excessive Force.
grant freeman wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:55 PM:
And no one has yet mentioned the newspaper's part in making sure this man's past criminal record was printed as a way of justifying the brutality of the police. I wonder whose side THEY are on....
Jodi wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:47 PM:
The TRUTH will come out!I love how this man is fighting for his life and the cops are writing the bad stuff about him. So what about Coquille Police Department harassing the Community of Coquille ?
COQUILLE CITIZEN wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:46 PM:
Let's see how many complaints there have been in the last 5-6 years on Reeves, Bryant, Smith, Ulmer and McNealy. It is too bad that the new guy, Webley is learning from these guys.
LC wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:40 PM:
I agree with Linda. Yes, the whole department needs to be investigated and cleaned up. The harrassment and abuse has been going on for a long time in Coquille. And as noted, all the charges they said they had on this man in 2006 were all dismissed!!
Linda wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:37 PM:
I'm with John. People need to step up and say this is Big BS. The police pretty much get to lie and say what they want and because they are an officer of the law they get sided with.
Maybe we should all hide behind a badge.
Just because they wear one doesn't make them good.
Maybe we should all hide behind a badge.
Just because they wear one doesn't make them good.
Ex-police Officer wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:35 PM:
Having been in police work (not in Coquille) and having dealt with un-ruly citizens it's plain and simple to me. Mr. Foster shouldn't have resisted arrest!! When you resist a lawful arrest you deserve what ever happens to you including injuries. To the public it seems to always be law enforcement's fault when it's ALWAYS the suspect that is resisting and fighting. End of discussion.
former resident wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:32 PM:
imagine that....that was not an accident! what would happen if the tables were turned and an officer was injured?
grant freeman wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:29 PM:
typical police brutality. whatever happened to mayberry ? sheriff andy taylor? do we realy NEED to throw everyone down on the pavement to arrest them? and let me tell you...this MAN, this "CRIMINAL" is a small frail man...almost sixty years old...and he was accuse of breaking a windshield THE DAY BEFORE? my god folks, what has our community become...shooting kids with sharpies, breaking the necks of tiny old men...
John wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:11 PM:
I would say there was too much force on the officers side. Breaking someones second cervical Vertibrae tells me they didn't take him down as taught by the Police Academy. Accident? I say not.! Fear of the person maybe, but certanly not an accident. How many times will there be a cover up like what happened to Leah Freeman? Think about it.!This will continue until we say ENOUGH!
Kay wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:02 PM:
I'd say breaking a citizens. neck - TWICE - something other than "a horrible accident"
I was wondering, now that we know the victims' history, what's the history of the two officers involved? Guess we plebians aren't allowed that state secret, huh?
I was wondering, now that we know the victims' history, what's the history of the two officers involved? Guess we plebians aren't allowed that state secret, huh?
Linda wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:01 PM:
So if you have a record it warrants the cops to throw you around a little harder. I think there was some other issues by citizens not to long ago about the Coquille police. Maybe the whole dept needs to be investigated and cleaned up. But we all know it will be justified.
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